Starts right now. La laura . You know, ive been to graceland. I have not, actually. First of all, tennessee, lovely area, memphis. And graceland, they had a whole car thing. Im not that into cars. But i did taste whatever Peanut Butter sandwich thing he had. It wasnt for me. It wasnt for me. Thats not where i thought this was going. It came back to food is where it came back to. Thats actually very wholesome, and i love it. Well, good. This is a family show and a family hour, abby phillip. Thank you so much. Nice to see you. You too. Have a good show, laura. Well, good evening, everyone. Im laura coates. Welcome to cnn tonight. Breaking news. We are six days into the manhattan, and a community is on high alert tonight as the search expands now for that escaped murderer in pennsylvania. Danelo cavalcante, who was sentenced to life without parole for stabbing his girlfriend to death in front of her two young children. Hes been now caught on Security Cameras at longwood gardens, a popular tourist spot with many Hiking Trails through the woods, including, by the way, one that loops around the very prison he broke out of thursday morning. The d. A. Has also now released video from a Home Security camera from over this past weekend. Law enforcement is now warning residents again tonight keep your doors locked. Keep your cars locked. At least one nearby School District will be closed for the second day in a row as police are hunting for the extremely dangerous fugitive who, well, hes got absolutely nothing to lose. Also, a chilling near miss. What happened when one resident woke up in the middle of the night. The sound of someone, he thinks it was cavalcante, someone down stairs in his own home. Now police are urging anyone who has information to call their tip line at 1877wanted 2, or 9268332. Plus, tomorrows news tonight, to get you ahead of the game, there is a major hearing in that sprawling Georgia Election subversion case, and now were just a few hours away. And it could tell us a lot about whether all 19 of these, will they be tried together . And if so, when might that happen . And did i mention the hearings are expected to be televised. Remember, its state court, after all. Well tell you what to watch out for in the hearing tomorrow. Weve also got some Breaking News tonight. A late court filing from none other than special counsel jack smith. He is accusing former President Trump of what he calls are daily statements that threaten to prejudice the jury in the federal election subversion case right out of washington, d. C. And he was convict to have had brutal murders of his own wife and son a few months ago. You may remember alex murdaugh. He is now demanding a brandnew trial amid accusations of jury tampering, and by a Court Official no less. The big question tonight, what happens now. I want to bring in our Breaking News tonight with the urgent manhunt for a crooked murderer danelo cavalcante, escaped from a Pennsylvania Prison just six days ago. Joining me now is robert clark, a supervisory deputy of the u. S. Marshals services. Im so glad that youre here tonight, robert. Look, this is day six. Youve been following this case all along. And the big question of course people are asking is how did it happen in the first place. But now how has he been able to evade capture, you think, over six days . Hey, good evening, laura. Thank you for having me this evening. Its an interesting question. How has he been able to evade capture for six days. You have to remember when he scaped into the woods, it was large area. It was a mile and a half to twomile radius that we were searching. And we kept getting tip after tip and sending people into woods that are very thick. The foliage is very thick over here. There is a lot of ravines, a lot of tall fields, a lot of grass, a lot of Hiding Spaces for a guy that is 5 foot, 120 pounds. For the first five days we focused our search area, specifically in a certain seconds up here. And we got a break last night that cavalcante was caught on a camera, on a trail camera, just south of where we were searching. So today we brought in more resources, and we focused our Search Efforts in a different area in hopes that perhaps we can flush him out in this new search grid. This is a dangerous game of tactical hideandseek. And it takes time. It takes time. The searches are nothing new to the Pennsylvania State police, to the u. S. Marshall service, but they take time. A very important point, and the word danger pops out for so many people. Because youre talking about somebody who has already been sentenced. He is not accused of the crime. He has been convicted of it. He is not awaiting sentencing. He has been sentenced now to life without patrole. That might translate to people exponentially more dangerous now. He has nothing to lose. The alternative if he is captured is a life behind bars. Expanding that perimeter and trying to search for him, how does that factor in to his calculus of what he might be willing to do if he is found by your team . Well, were taking no chances with mr. Cavalcante. Everybodys been warned of his criminal history. Were treating him as armed and dangerous, even though nothing suggests that he is presently armed due to his criminal history, due to the violent nature of his crime, and due to the fact that he also has an open homicide warrant in brazil. Not only does he have the homicide here and the conviction, he also has an open homicide in brazil. This is a dangerous, dangerous man. Hes got nothing to lose. But i can tell you this, his desperateness will not outlast the resolve of our Law Enforcement officers here. We have now a couple hundred officers up here. The Pennsylvania State police have incident command. Theyre doing a fabulous job controlling the boots on the ground. The Marshall Service has our investigators here, some of the best in the country. And were going prove once again why were the best at finding people that dont want to be found. So what happens when you find him . Do you have orders in terms of how to bring him in . Or is there a directive to bring him in regardless of his state . Well, when we find him, were going bring him in and make sure that he goes to a secure facility. I dont want to reveal where he is going to go. But hes going to be brought in and placed in a secured facility where he is not going to be able to break out again. I can assure you that. So the suggestion is he is not going back to where he already broke out of . He may be processed there, laura. Im not sure. But ultimately, were going to find the most secure facility around here for him, whether thats the same facility or perhaps another state facility. Im not in decisionmaking for that. Im more involved in the investigation. That decision is going to be left up to somebody else, the dolphins, and perhaps the county detectives here. I understand. One of the phrases ive been hearing a lot, the goal is in the strategy with all the resources to quote, unquote try to stress cavalcante. What does that strategy look like . Try to stress it . I know youve already had i think audio of his own mother, speaking in portuguese, trying to lure him in essentially to the custody of the officers searching for him. But what is that stress test of sorts look for in the strategy of how to get him . So the idea of stressing him came from Colonel Bevins of the state police who has incident command, and i fully agree with his decision. We plan to stress him. He we plan to move him. We plan to have him make mistakes, which he has already made now. He has appeared on camera two times. By stressing, we mean were going get boots in the woods. Were going let him know were there. Were going leave no rock unturned. Were going to check every little hiding spot. Should we miss him, were going to go back in the next day and try to keep him moving. One of the tactics we did use, like you mentioned earlier, we slitted a statement from his mother. And she said essentially we love you. Do the right thing. Turn yourself in. We dont want to see you get hurt. And that was broadcast to him over a loudspeaker from the Pennsylvania StatePolice Helicopter and some of our patrol cars. So were trying to use some of that psychology, maybe, that if he is tired and he is desperate, and he is thinking about maybe this will put him Over The Edge so we can get a peaceful surrender. Robert clark, thank you so much. Well follow along. Thank you for having me, laura, appreciate it. I want to bring in chief Law Enforcement analyst john miller, and former fbi Deputy Director andrew mccabe. You both heard the conversation now, the idea of stressing him, trying to basically circle the wagons, so to speak, and try to use even psychological tactics to try to get him to peacefully surrender. That phrase, of course, sticks in my craw because this is a man who has already been sentenced life without the possibility of patrol i believe. John, when you hear about these mistakes that are being alluded to, i think five credible sightings, one man thinks he was actually in his home late friday. Listen to what that man had to say. I woke up my wife. I said hey, i think there might be somebody downstairs. You know, get on the phone. What i decided to do was flip the light switch on and off three or four or fife times, pause, and then he flipped the light switch from downstairs three or four times, which was the moment of like oh my god, this guy is down there. John, what does that Interaction Signal to you . You know, thats a new one for me, laura. The idea of communicating in morse code through your light switches with a burglar. But i think essentially, the homeowner flashed the lights to say is someone there . And he flashed the lights back to say yeah, and stay out of my way. He is a desperate man. He is looking for clothing, food. He may be looking for cell phone or a tool. But more urgently, he may be looking for a weapon. Whether thats a knife, the weapon he used in his last two homicides, or whether its a gun. He is in an area that kind of securities between rural area woodlands, farmlands, and suburban tracks of houses. So if you look at the sightings theyve had, a lot of these have been at night, where he has been kind of tracking the edges between woodlands and backyards, where he is looking for that opportunity to get in somewhere, get some food, get some clothes, maybe get some cash, whatever he can. You know, for some reason im thinking that light flashing scene, wasnt that in what we call parasite . Wasnt there a scene i dont want to do a spoiler alert, there was a scene where the person who was living in the home, wasnt supposed to be was using a light morse code. Forgive me, im thinking about the movies, which the guy who the basement. Right, right. It reads a lot like whats happening. This doesnt seem real. But in fact andrew mccabe, it is real. He has been quite brazen, it seems. He has been spotted. He is not exactly hiding behind cover of darkness. Although a lot of the Camera Footage weve seen, he has been in the darkness. Does it surprise you that he is being so brazen while he is on the run . Not at all. Not at all. So that that interaction between the homeowner and who we believe is the subject were looking for, i mean, that is the moment that weve all been kind of afraid of, right. When this desperate man, this desperate murderer, who has no ability to communicate. Hes got no transportation, very little food, just the clothes on his back, no shelter, he is forced to break into a house to steal the things he needs, and he confronts a homeowner. That is the moment when this situation could turn incredibly violent. And he is certainly somebody who has exhibited a propensity to go in that direction. So i think were all incredibly lucky, and certainly that homeowner and his family is that it didnt go that way. But that could happen at any moment in any one of these days that this search continues. It seems that he is moving at night and probably laying low during the day, which would be the smart way to do it. But he has got to keep repeating this activity of trying to supply himself with sustenance and some level of shelter. It is a very wooded area with large homes on large pieces of property surrounded by woodlands and manicured lawns and things like that. So there is plenty of places for him to hide. The such fact that he was able to get beyond their announced perimeter into kind of the next section south of that area tells you that his sense of movement has not been impeded yet. I think theyre doing the right thing and flooding the area with personnel to try to kind of pen in him in, but so far that has been unsuccessful. I mean, the schools are closing in the area. This is somebody who committed a homicide, a brutal one in front of children and with a lack of sleep, the stress factors that might be at play here, the danger could grow exponentially. John, there are about 200 to 250 personnel on the ground who are now searching for him. As theyre talking about closing that perimeter, and he was just south of one, theyre talking about the psychology that theyre trying to use now, including his own mothers voice over audio thats being broadcast in the areas they believe him to be in, hoping that might lead to a peaceful surrender. What do you make of the psychology now involved in trying to get him to surrender . I think the psychology is they know that at some point he is going to run out of gas. He is going to run out of the ability to stay awake, the ability to go with little food. And they want to make sure he does run out of gas by the message they keep sending him, which it will just be easier to surrender peacefully. Listen to us, if not us, listen to your mother. And remember who is doing this, laura. Rob clark, the guy you were just talking to. Is not just a deputy u. S. Marshall. He is the head of the philadelphia Regional Fugitive Task force. This is what he does for a living. He and his team are manhunters. Theyre extraordinarily expert in this field. Youve got George Bivens from the state police, who he mentioned. George was the guy behind the hunt for durham, who escaped in july from the Warren County jail. More notably, he was key in the 48day, 12 million hunt for eric frein. A trooper was tragically killed. This team, they know how to do this. Its taking longer than they would like, but a day is longer than they wanted. So i have a lot of confidence that they are going to get this done in the relative soon. John miller, andrew mccabe, thank you. It may just be a matter of time. Thank you both. Weve got some Breaking News tonight on another of the criminal cases against former president donald trump. This one is in d. C. Right here. Next well tell you exactly why special counsel jack smith says that trump is threatening to, quote, prejudice the jury pool, even before one has been chosen. What could that mean for trial . Ill tell you. So i choose new neuriva ultra. Unlike some others, it supports 7 brain health indicators, including Mental Alertness from one serving. To help keep me sharp. Try new neuriva ultra. Think bigger. Hello savings blendjets labor day sale is on blendjet gives You Ice Crushing Big Blender Power on the go. 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Joining me to discuss all this and what it could mean for the trial, National Security attorney bradley moss and jamil jaffer, former associate white House Counsel to one president george w. Bush, everyone. Glad you guys are here. This has package on my brain all day. Over a month at this point in time. 19 defendants. All at once, she intended to try them together, within six month, fani willis said. Many lawyers chuckled, not because it wasnt possible to do so, but just thinking about the logistics here. This is a time when we dont even know if mark meadows is a part of the entire thing yet. Is it practical to think this could be a trial with 19 people in a courtroom, not broken up . I think its very unlikely at this point. Not just because of mark meadows. Youve also got jeff clark. You have speedy Trial Requests from ken chesebro and Sidney Powell. Any number of fights that donald trump is going to bring. Youve got Rudy Giulianis likely challenges over information. This is going to be a logistical mess. Will be interesting to see tomorrow is one of the things the judge asked fani willis to be prepared for, if you were to do all 19, how much time would you realistically need . Its not happening in october for all 19. There is no way this will be happening. Everyone wants it. To your point about speedy trial, it can work. The prosecutor said if it was only up to her, maybe it could, right . But its not. Its also the defendants who can say i want to go fast. And others are saying i dont want to hear anything about october and nothing about 2023. Thats exactly right. The president made clear, he doesnt want the trial to go for it any time soon. He is going to do everything he can to throw sand in the gears of the former president , slow this thing down and make motions and try to get appeals rolling. He is going to have a very hard time doing that. But he will try and throw everything he can at that. Now i think this whole chesebro move and Sidney Powell seeking a rapid trial is going to cause problems as well, because now that they moved for it, they have to have their child done under georgia law or be done by a date certain in early november. That means that at least some part of this is going to roll out. That means that evidence is going to be in front of a jury pool, in front of the American Public regardless of what donald trump wants or doesnt want in terms of his timing. Because its televised. As my father always says, the revolution will be tell advise. Thats not what me means talking about this, or maybe it will be televised. I dont know. The trial will be televised. Youre right, the jury pool will be impacted by what theyre seeing. Ive had multiple codefendant cases. You know what happens when ones not there . They go look whos not here, and that point to the empty seat. And they say ahha, thats who really did it. So if youre trump, if youre anyone going after the original people who might go first, are you kind of nervous . Yeah, because with this trial, if this happens in late october, early november its basically a preview of everything that will come out eventually in the trial of donald trump. Fani willis will be able to bring out any number of those witnesses. She doesnt have to bring out all of them, because these two people arent part of the entire conspiracy. Theyre parts of pieces of it. But to trot out any number of those individuals and show it on live television. It will be o. J. Explode exponentially in terms of media coverage. And it will all play out, just as were slowly getting closer and closer to the first primaries, the first caucuses. You know, if its like o. J. , and everyone thinks about o. J. They think about walking behind, and following the white bronco. I remember o. J. As a months long voir dire, hours long of having people answer questions even qualified to be jurors. And that was a case that captured the national attention. But this might even be more known to some degree. Lets just play for a second, fellows. What if it is broken up . How is it broken up . Are you looking along who has similar charges . Is it who are the lawyers versus Everyone Else. Is it the state employees . How is that broken down . At a minimum, youve got to get these two speedy Trial Requests dealt with and moving at the beginning. Who else comes along with that i think is a hard question. But you can also divide this up in a variety of ways. You laid out a couple. I think at the end of the day the way this plays out, fani willis can try to get as many of these done as she can as quickly as possible. She wants to get her evidence out there. She wants to put it on the table, get some convictions in the books so Everyone Else starts flipping, and ultimately turns and points the finger at the former president. Is it harder, though . S a rico case. So her whole thing is this is one big criminal enterprise. I can imagine if she is trying to build this, you want the be able to say here are all the people. The georgia dome is not available i dont think for this trial. But you want them conceptually to be around for this moment. If thats the case, does this actually, if it doesnt go all together, is her case undermined . I dont think so, because she can still, the various overt acts that she outlines in the indictment, through any number of witnesses she can bring out, she can still show the larger Overarcing Conspiracy and trot out and practice what she would ultimately put forward in a case against the former president. She is going to get all these witnesses out there. Shell deal with crossexamination. Its almost certain some of these codefendants will start to flip, seek deals and only put more pressure on donald trump. Thinking might explain in part why someone like jack smith said tile isle take one defendant, alex, for 200. That was a jeopardy reference. Thats fine. But then having it be in washington, d. C. , with one defendant, but now theyre in front of that judge, judge chutkan. And what they thought might happen, theyre now saying in a miling tonight in fact has happened, that he is tampering with the jury pool. He is making extrajudicial statements of some kind. We dont know all the details of it. This of course chutkan warned could lead to an earlier trial date if true. But her ruling today was to have a hearing in the future talk about how one posted on the docket. Where are we going with this . Look, this is a whole train wreck of filings. Apparently the government this morning made some sort of a Filing Under Seal referencing these sensitive materials. And as they also made the filing to seal that filing. All this none of this is on the docket. She granted their motion. And then all of the sudden comes sailing in from the righthand side. The defendants say look, we didnt get a chance to object to this. So she vacates the order, lets them file a response, has a brief schedule, a short one, very quick one, but she is giving them a chance to have a bite at the apple. Look, you have to consult with the other side when youre making filings. So its clear you have to confer. You have to say whether you did or not confer. A little complicated. But at the end of the day, she is going to move this thing along. She is going to give everybody a fair shot, but this thing is going. That march 4 date still on the books. Some people ask how many bites you get at the apple. If you are theoretically intimidating witnesses and tampering with the jury pool. Part of it here, lets be honest, is its donald trump and he is a former president. The government is going to give him every benefit of the doubt. The judge is going to hold back on taking any action because no one wants to about that person sanctions, gagging, Censoring A Former president. It will be interesting to see whatever this underlying motion was, talking about a discussion about a discussion, what was it that they were bringing up. What was the relief they were seeking . And if in fact it was related to his posts, were they seeking some type of pretrial violation . Thats what Everyone Wants to know right now. Of course. Little does everyone know that most of the law is about motion practice, everyone. Brad moss, jamil, the reference was Gil Scott Herrin for everyone out there. I know my stuff. See, daddy . I listen. President biden now is going on the offensive with a multimilliondollar ad campaign. Will it win him more support with the election on the horizon . Well talk about it next. 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Look, he is going all in on the economy on the nfl opener. Im not sure people want to see that. Maybe they want to see doritos commercials. I dont really know. The truth of the matter is there is a new Wall Street Journal poll that finds only 37 of voters approve of his actual handling of the economy. Hes got a slogan, right . Bidenomics. Can he actually win without turning that 37 number around . I mean, i think he has to the extent that anybody even cares about policy anymore, who knows. But in terms of the economy, he has to start selling that story because, look, the best thing you can say about trump is he goes out and constantly talks about how great the economy was under him. He actually is one of the only president s that left office with less jobs than what he came in with. And look, i dont necessarily approve of democratic economic theory, but i will say i think joe biden has a pretty solid case to make, and he has to do it. And he has to do it repeatedly. I hate the politics of starting this early. It doesnt stop anymore. But he really needs to be making this case. From a tactical perspective, i think see doing the right thing. Democracy can be one one long runon sentence. On that notion of trying to sell it, trying to convince people. Is this something as reductive as look, the democrats have got to be better on messaging. Or is it something more here . The u. S. Has seen inflation and unemployment drop during bidens first term. They also saw historic highs because of disruption. The convincing part of things, how does he do a better job of convincing people to feel that things are getting better. And i think thats the trick. And when you talk about things like inflation, you have to realize that what happened in the United States with inflation did not happen in a vacuum. It was a global problem that we saw the inflation reduction act. We saw the infrastructure bill, bipartisan, both pieces of legislation. Weve seen bidenomics actually work. Now this is not going to be a National Election either. And so joe biden has to sell this message in georgia, arizona, wisconsin, michigan, pennsylvania, those states which are going to drive the electoral college, and even more specifically, he is going to have to drive this message to African American voters, particularly African American men and hispanic voters. Because while criminal Justice Reform and all of these other things may be of what some of his white progressive vendors may tell him, we do know that economics matters to these subgroups as well. And you have to drill down on pocketbook issues. And i believe he has a message to tell. He has a story to tell. But i think adam would agree with me on this point, that you cant tell that story from 1600 pennsylvania. You literally have to get out on the road. You have to pound the pavement. You have to kiss the babies and shake the hands and do all of those things that politicians are notoriously known to do. And he is going to have to allow or the people around him are going to have to allow joe biden to be joe biden. That comes with faux pases and mistakes and all. But he is going to have to sell this message outside of d. C. Dont forget the Pancake Breakfast. That might be a very sticky baby kiss. But its different listen, all that has to happen, perhaps, but also, one big hurdle of course here, when you get to the Policy Aspect of it. And congressman, you know, in order to convince voters is one thing. But then its getting voters to have their votes counted, and how the districts are actually drawn such that it might be advantages to do so or not. You know tonight alabama is appealing a decision from a federal court that blocked a states congressional map after that state failed to create a second majority black district from the Supreme Courts order, by the way. Why do you think alabama is not following the courts instruction . Is it a matter of look, the Supreme Court is just not respected in the same way . Or that they can time this out, game this out, and be able to get past the election . Let me first say i hated Pancake Breakfast. No offense to anyone who i went to a Pancake Breakfast with, but the number of times i shook somebodys hand with syrup on it, honest to god, i cant do them anymore. The squelching sound, oh my god, i cant. Im with you. And the smile. But no, on the redistricting thing, look. I think alabamas just determined to run the clock here. Like what . Whats the Supreme Court going to send the police force in, the military . No. Theyre going keep doing this. And that is a scary thing, by the way. When we have gotten to where donald trump frankly has gotten us to a point where the rule of law is kind of minimized. It is now not a big deal to basically ignore a court order. And thats a frightening thing to me. Look, i think theres got to be real ill say redistricting reform in this country. Lets be honest. Its not going to happen any time soon in most places. Im a victim of it from the democrats by the way twice. But yeah, i think youve got to follow through on what the courts say. Theyre going to keep running the clock. And that is really bad for democracy. Bakari, what do you think . Not about syrup, please. Unless you is a preference. No, i actually missed the Pancake Breakfast. But ive been retired a long time. I believe that this goes back a good bit, maybe a decade or so, to shelby. We begin to see the erosion of our democratic norms and values in the United States. Adam and i are probably agreeing too much for viewers liking here, but we get along. I think we would both agree you need nonpartisan, nonelected officials to create these districts. You have to have people who dont have an interest in going back to d. C. Or going back to a state capitol, drawing these lines. And for a listening period of time, youve had this Unholy Alliance between black legislators and their republican colleagues where they would take as many black folk as they could into their districts, and their republican colleagues would gladly give them away. So finally you have a Supreme Court who stood up and said not just in alabama, but youre seeing cases like there is one in South Carolina going. Youre seeing louisiana going. Where you have that opportunity to kind of reverse this trend, reverse these bad practices, and hopefully, you know, the rule of law is not negotiable. And hopefully, alabama at some point in time will be able to draw this second district. I anticipate seeing another one in louisiana and the South Carolina redistricting cases meandering its way to the Supreme Court as well. Adam kinzinger, bakari sellers, well have to leave it there. Thank you so much. Thank you. Speaking of, well, South Carolina, alex murdaugh, everyone. 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Cashback on everything you buy with Chase Freedom Unlimited with no annual fee. How do you cashback . Chase. Make more of whats yours. Well, there is a new twist months after he was convicted in the 2021 murders of his wife maggie and his son paul. Now according to the filing, the clerk of the court, Rebecca Becky hillllegedly tampered with the jury by advising jurors not to believe murdaughs testimony. Theyre also alleging she pressured the jury to reach a quick guilty verdict, and claims she misrepresented information to the judge in order to remove a juror. Now murdaughs attorneys claim that hill did all these things. Why . Well, to secure herself a book deal, they say. Quote, in Media Appearances that would not happen in the event of a mistrial. Unquote. Her book is called behind the doors of justice The Murdaugh Murders and was published in late july. Lawyers are also citing that in the motion, along with at least three sworn affidavits, including one from a juror and another from a dismissed juror. Earlier today, murdaughs attorney explained how they say that book i just mentioned led to this new filing. In the aftermath of the verdict, we had received information that we needed to look into what happened in the jury room. He started down that road and we met a Zone Of Silence. When the clerk of court wrote her book, published her book, that Zone Of Silence collapsed, and jurors were upset about that. The ones we talked with, and they were more than willing to come forward and tell us the things that we had sort of heard through a whisper campaign. Cnn has reached out to hill for comment but has yet to hear back. For more on all of this, i want to bring in cnn legal analyst joey jackson. So good to see you. There is no one better to talk about this with tonight. But i want to get right into it for everyone. Listen to this motion, okay. It actually cites the affidavit of jury. Quote, she had told the jury not to be fooled by the evidence presented by mr. Murdaughs attorneys. She also allegedly instructed the jury to watch him closely immediately before he testified, including look at his actions and look at his movements. Understood they thought to mean that he was guilty. So if thats true, how shocking is this . Disturbing, troubling, and outrageous. Good to be with you, laura. Listen, you know better than anyone that the hallmark of democracy and the judicial process is a fair trial. Many watch the trial. Many were rivet beside i the trial, lasting six weeks and surprised, perhaps none really surprised at a threehour verdict. But the reality is that you have to have a jury that is locked in on the evidence, Making Conclusions and drawing those conclusions on the evidence without any undue influence from the outside. And when that undue influence comes from an elected clerk allegedly it presents a significant problem. So i suspect that the judge will at a minimum hold an evidentiary hearing to determine whether there is any meat to the allegations, and if so, we could indeed see a new trial. And the clerk theyre talking about, the role of a clerk is not somebody who has a ceremonial rule. They can actually bend the ear of the judge. They have contact with the jury oftentimes as well. Now its not just the judge looking at this, joey. The South Carolina ag is also reviewing the motion. What do you think is happening in their Office Tonight . Yeah, i think a number of things. I think first of all, they want the get a sense of whether or not there is any validity here. There certainly will need to be an investigation with respect to factually what this clerk was doing. As you noted, it is not just a clerk administratively. This is a clerk who has access to the jury, who allegedly was speaking to the jury, who was giving them information that was adverse to mr. Murdaugh, who we see there and everyone has an opinion about any given trial. But when youre an elected representative, you certainly want to keep the opinions to yourself. I think this motion needs to be responded to. It needs to be determined whether or not there is any basis and fact here. Thats what evidentiary hearings are for. But if in the event its true, this is troubling. And its not only the Attorney General that is looking into this, but potentially the fbi as it relates to tampering and other allegations. So i suspect theyll respond. That is prosecutors to this motion. The judge will evaluate it. The judge will call the parties in. The judge will have witnesses, and there will be a determination as to whether there is any credibility here. If there is credibility, the law essentially says you know what . A new trial could indeed be ordered because thats how much we value the process of fairness in this country. Joey jacksons commentary always gives a chefs kiss, everyone. Thank you so much. Nice to see you, my friend. You are so kind. Better to see you, laura. Thank you so much. Well, im telling you, so much legal news tonight. The longest Prison Sentence yet has been handed down today, this time for a january 6th defendant. It was for the former proud boys chairman enrique tarrio. Ill tell you just how long he has been sentenced to behind bars. Almost is just another word for not as good as mine. Save 50 on the sleep Number Limited Edition smart bed. Plus, free Home Delivery when you add an adjustable base. Shop now only at sleep number. My brain. So i choose new neuriva ultra. Unlike some others, it supports 7 brain health indicators, including Mental Alertness from one serving. To help keep me sharp. Try new neuriva ultra. Think bigger. 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