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A federal judge threatened, and specifically Contact Information for Georgia Grand jurors plastered throughout rightwing web sites. How Donald Trumps legal troubles are leading to further Security Issues, fear of violence. And heartbreaking accounts from hawaii, as Wildfire Victims are starting to find the remains of their family members. What he had seen was not just a body, but the body of a 15yearold kid who had way more life ahead of him. Plus new warnings on north korea possibly testing a missile capable of reaching the united states. I will ask john kirby about those plans, as most leaders most concerned from south korea and japan. Welcome to the lead. Were going to start with the justice lead, and the high price being paid for some individuals doing their civic duty. Police are trying to figure out hout Best To Protection The Grand jurors who earlier this week voted to indict donald trump and 18 other codefendants. Indictments in Fulton County georgia, including the names of all of the jurors who served on the case. Now those jurors names, plus photographs, social media information, even some Home Addresses, not all of which are even necessarily the right ones, now all circulating on social media, with experts saying some anonymous users are calling for violence. Paula reid starts off our coverage, also a federal judge in a separate trump case. Reporter tonight, Georgia Residents who served on the grand jury that indicted former President Trump for trying to overturn the 2020 election are facing threats and getting doxed online. They were serving on that grand jury doing their civic duty, and now theyve basically been putting on the x. Reporter even Home Addresses purporting to belong to the grand jurors are not circulating on farright web sites lie forechan. Their names were published on page 9 of the indictment, a public document, as is the practice in georgia. Experts say this is really a quirk of law in the state of georgia that the names of grand jurors come out with the indictment. This is really the first time weve seen this kind of thing come out in a national case. What im going to do now reporter cnn cannot independently verify the details, and its unclear if the information circulating online is that of the actual grand jurors or just people with the same name. Jen jordan testified in this case, and set says this my impede the ability to get a trial jury. Everyone will know who they are. Just to be able to sit a jury of people who would be even willing to put, you know, their lives on the line will be really, really difficult. Its not just the grand jury under threat. Judge Tanya Chutkan received a threatening voicemail earlier this month. According to court documents, a texas woman called chutkans chambers, left a message threatening to kill anyone who went after former President Trump. They also allegedly threatened to kill Sheila Jackson lee as well as people in the lgbtq community. Over the last week trump has repeatedly posted to social media, speaking directly to the Fullen County grand jurors and judge chutkan, saying, will someone please tell the grand jury that i did not tamper with the election . And saying that chutkan obviously wants me behind bars, very biased and unfair. We have also learned that longtime ally and sometimes attorney Rudy Giuliani went down to florida to plead to help him with his legal debt. Were told trump offered some vague assurances he would help, but the only help from the pac. They paid off over 300,000 for one specific bill, but giulianis Attorney Says he did not expect any more help on those debts. We look into the evolution of Rudy Giuliani. Its called giuliani, what happened to americas mayor . Thats Saturday Night at 8 00 eastern only here on cnn. Joining us is michael moore, former District Attorney for the middle district of georgia. I want your reaction to the alleged personality information of some of these jurors being posted online. I understand when someone is indicted in georgia, the names of the grand jurors are included on that indictment. Noel the sensitivity of this case, though, should more have been done to prevent Something Like this . Well, its a pleasure to be with you. I do think there could have been steps taken to ask the court to seal the indictment or do things like that. We do have a balancing of the publics right to know and certainly an accuseds rights to know who sat on the grand jury. If you this i about it, its important for an accused to know that, because they can determine whether or not a grand juror might have been related to one of the victims in the case or something. So theres a legitimate reason that lawyers and defendants need to know that, and that they have a right to look at it. Certainly in this case i think there were things that could be done. Judges, prosecutors, we expect this nonsense to happen. Everyday laymen who serves for pennies a day, really, on a grand juror should not be subject to this. So, probably the best thing that can happen is to have some swift action to both protect those people if in fact those addresses are correct and the personal information is deemed to be correct, and then to also go after folks who may be sending messages or intending to do harm. It is Public Information that is accessible at the courthouse. The fact that the names are out there i dont think there will be much that can be done other than some protection. Specific threats, voicemails, emails, those types of things certainly somebody sitting out in front of somebodys house in a car, they need to be addressed quickly by Law Enforcement to send a message it cant be tolerated. When the indictment was released, i was surprised to see the names of the grand jurors on there. Im not as familiar with the georgia Legal Process as you are. Are they i know theres a major gang trial going on right now in georgia. I believe youre still in jury selection, voir dire. Are the names generally released like that . Even if a gang member is on trial . Generally the indictments have listed at the very front that the citizens of the state of georgia, county of fulton charge the accused, and it has the fact of every grand juror that serves. Therapy name will be stricken through if theyre not present, but otherwise theyll be again, there are reasons a defendant needs to know that. So thats important. In this case, and that may have been one of the reasons that it may have been more appropriately suited in federal court, but, you know, something should have been done, i believe. Some consideration should have been given to protect them. That clearly was that done here. A source tells cnn that negotiations are still ongoing between trumps legal team and the Fulton County District Attorneys office. What details are they negotiating . Theres been talk about whether or not there will be mug shots, photographs, financialer prints, all this kind of thing. Theres a question of what location he should report to, whether its the jail or some other location. There will have to be coordination clearly between i hope that this goes off sort of like just a puff of wind and nobody really knows about it. Its better for the secret service, ultimately for Law Enforcement, for the president to come in, be processed quickly, and then be shuttled out to an arraignment at a later date. But, you know, where we are now, i dont know. I expect there would be some effort to either make a statement about it one way or another by the former president , but we have to admit and i think thats one of the frustrating things about this case. We all want to say hell be treated like everybody else. The fact is its a former president. We have to make some considerations and concessions. Especially in terms of his concern and safety which hes entitled to. Michael moore, thank you so much. I want to bring in jeulia kayye. When this threat against federal judge chutkan, do you think theres enough Security Measures in place to protect federal judges . Yes. Its never enough, because they obviously consider themselves private citizens. In the old world when no one knew a judges name and they werent attacked by a former president. Theres things that the judge says, im married to a judge that would know what to do. Dont put your kids on social media, dont put things on social media to give your existence that gives the kids existence in real time. Its not just the judges, but the entire family and others related to the judges that are at risk. This is new in terms of the Threat Environment, because the judges are being specifically mentioned by the former president in these cases. The Atlanta Police Department Says that its members are working on helping the Fulton County sheriff with any potential safety and Security Issues for the grand jurors in that case. Do you do you go about protecting these people, what threats are real and what is just hot air . You do two things. One is defense. The grand jurors now snead to know this is circulating on these horrible web sites. They dont know what the Threat Environment is, and then, you know, tell them to be vigilant and provide them with the kind of security they may need, at least for the time being. Some of them may be picked out based on race, so, you know, if all the African American grand jurors are picked out, you want to give them specific authority. Then you go on offense. Every single one of these people that is out there online doing whatever, threatening not just words, but threatening individuals or the grand jury as a whole is committing a federal crime, or at least there is evidence to suggest that they want to undermine the judicial system, and that is where its going to take prosecutors and investigators to investigate them, let them know theres no goofing around anymore. We know what the Threat Environment could be for these grand jurors. I have to say one thing about georgia. This is not a statute that requires it. This is just case law and Supreme Court case law, so there might this is something that georgia officials are going to have to deal with in terms of not just the protection of these grand jurors, that may be too late, but of course the jurors coming up. Im all for transparency, im all for Public Information, but as michael was saying, these are ordinary citizens doing their civic duty. They didnt sign up for this. 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What he had seen was not just a body, but the body of a 15yearold kid who had way more life ahead of him. Reporter then they took his remains to authorities. He is now turning his pain into poetry. What could i do . No power at home. Im lost and im found. Im lost all around. Were losing a town. Reporter the sheer scale of a devastation has impacted everyone on the island. No one has ever seen this that is alive today. Not this size, not this number, not this volume, and were not done. Reporter identifying the dead remains a difficult task. There are often no fingerprints. Many remains are not recognize. Family members every the missing are asking for dna sampling. The search teams are also deeply affected. We have to do this right. And realize the responders are recovering their loved ones, members of their family. The searchandrescue teams scouring the burn zones of more than 2,000 homes and businesses as the magnitude sinks in. Its starting to sink in. 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For us, although i have spent 25 years working disasters around the world, this is something that i dont think anyone can be preprepared for. Its amazing devastation. There isnt a resident here who isnt deeply impacted directly by this event. The scope of this tragedy, frankly its hard to grasp. More than 1,000 people still missing. As we reach the ninth day, its more likely the death toll will keep climbing. We have heard hawaii Officials Say words such as or used terms like instant creamation. Is it possible many of the families with missing loved ones may never find out actually what happened to their loved ones . I really cant speak directly to that. I do know we have teams locally from the state and federal government here to support the recovery. Our focus has been on, one, making sure the survivors have the relief they need food, water, shelter and love. And then making sure the teams can identify those who are lost, and start to prepare for what will be a very long recovery. 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North korea considers the annual drills a Dress Rehearsal for war, those coming as President Biden plans to host the leaders of japan and south korea on friday at camp david. At the u. N. Security council, the first meeting in more than five years on north korean human rights. Good morning. A north Korean Defector tells the government shows on you blood and threat into a ele luxurious at the lifestyle for leaders. Two nations not barred from north korea . Russia and china, two patron with power to veto biting Security Council sanctions. Leader kim jongun showing out of latest ecbm, and drones in a bear Striking Resemblance to u. S. Models. So far, no hard evidence, but south koreas spy agency expects growing military operation, warnings of the possible transfer of core nuclear and Missile Technology for north korea. For nations trying to contain that threat, analysts say the worst may be yesterday to come. Will ripley, cnn. Our thanks to will ripley. Joining us now to discuss, along with other topics, retired u. S. Navy admiral john kirby. Thanks so much for joining us. The spy report that we were just talking about says north korea may have plans to secretly supply weapons for russias war in ukraine, while russia could possibly transfer technology to north korea. Is the north Korean Nuclear threat getting more serious . They continue to try to improves it, no question. We are worried about the links, that the russian a Foreign Minister was there to see if he could get military support, so were watching this very, very closely. The state Department Says north korea has not responded to u. S. Outreach when it comes to travis king. Thats the u. S. Soldier who crossed the dmz into new york new york. In the past, north korea have used u. S. Soldiers who defect as propaganda tools. Do you see them as trying to use travis king as a Bargaining Chip 1234. They certainly couldnt. We havent seen thats exactly whats afight, but it certainly would not be out of character. We dont know the conditions hes being held. We dont know his physical conditions, his health. We have made it clear that we want to know those things and we want him back. Hes an american soldier. Unfortunately we dont know exactly where they have him or what they plan on doing with him. Speaking of wanting a as much as member back safely. Lt. Ridge al konis has been in a japanese at the jail there. He says the family says he was not treated the same same way that normally individuals are treated. President biden met with britney after the state of the union, and he gave her a big hug. There was a picture online. Is President Biden going to bring this up with the japanese Prime Minister . We have routinely and continue to routinely talk about the lieutenant in this case or ambassador is engaged on this. We are still working this out with the japanese to see what is possible here, and make sure rule of law is respected, but that we make our concerns clear. Yesterday, Antony Blinken spoke on the phone with paul whelan, another detained american, this one considered to be unfairly detained. Hes the u. S. Marine in russia, more than four yours. Wall street journal reporter also is wrongfully detained by the russians earlier this year. We have reportsed that the Biden Administration is searching for offers that could entice russia to release both of these individuals. Were asking allies if they have any russian spies in their prisons, maybe theres a swap that could happen. Is there any meaningful progress . I wish i could tell you we have a deal in hand. Thats not the case. Thats not for lack of trying. Its not like we havent put proposals on the table to get mr. Whelan and frankly mr. Gersovitz back to their families. We just learned that gene spector has been charged with espionage. Do you know anything about that . No, were still digging into that reporting too. We dont have any updates. Last week i spo spoke to is a gold star mom who lost staff cant taylor hoover. Shed testified to congress, in her view, the Biden Administration lied to her about her son died. Here is what she said whether i asked her what would she want to say to President Biden, if she could . He needs to come out and say, yeah, i made a mistake, i showo chose wrong, i was looking for a photo op, and i messed up. Thats what he needs to do. Do you think President Biden is willing to meet with any of thinks gold star families or talk publicly more about what happened two years ago . Her certainly has talk about oaf, the addition to withdrawn, the eveeck wags. Weve shared information with congress and public to the degree we can. They continue to grieve with all gold star families, espy already those killed at abbey gate. This he understand the anguish theyre still feeling. We understand that. 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John miller is cnns chief Law Enforcement and intelligence analyst. John, nypd sources told cnn whoever is behind this may have some expertise in ways to avoid being detected. How so . What are they doing . Theyve got some technical expertise. They know that authorities are going to be hunting for them online and trying to identify them for the purposes of prosecution. So they use voice over i. P. Or google phone technology, things that are designed to conceal or spoof their i. P. Addresses. They know how to cover their tracks. The threats were initially coming in on weekends but now the timing appears more random, were told. Does this sound like someone who feels empowered because so far theyre getting away with it . Its not a someone. It is some people. These are likely gamers. This is a competition about who can create the most mayhem and the most disruption. They are online and comparing actions. And they started with targeting synagogues where the services were being livestreamed so that they could actually watch the evacuation, the Police Response as they called in these reports of gunmen and attacks and other things. But as you noted, theyve expanded to a list of wider targets. Sick. How is this series of threats different than others weve seen in the past, do you think . I think its the coordination and the multiple players involved and the fact that it appears to be a competition. They are not just calling the location and saying heres whats about to happen or heres whats happening there. Theyre making calls to 911. Theyre making calls to Suicide Hotline Numbers and saying im about to kill myself. And they say but this is what im going to do. And they lay out some attack that theyre on their way to make. They have very layered and detail storylines that they give to try and get around the doubts of authorities to respond. Meanwhile, the authorities, and working with the adl, whos been very adept at this, are working toward deny the objective. If the primary objective is to just cause disruption and panic at these locations tell everybody what the scenario is, work with the police so they dont overrespond to these things. If it appears to be what it is, it probably is a hoax. All right, john miller, thank you so much. Coming up, 18 defendants charged with donald trump in Fulton County, georgia. The sweeping Criminal Indictment also lists 30 coconspirators who were not named but were trying to figure out who they are and give you their names. And thats ahead. [camera shutters] [camera shutters] [camera shutters] i have moderate to severe plaque psoriasis. Thanks to skyrizi, im on my way with clearer skin. 3 out of 4 people achieved 90 clearer skin at 4 months. And skyrizi is just 4 doses a year after 2 starter doses. 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Today some islanders are finally able to return to their homes and witness the devastation for the first time. But leading this hour, were keeping an eye on all the top developments tied to the legal cases against donald trump. But first, cnn has been going through the Fulton County Criminal Indictment and crossreferencing it with our own reporting to try to identify the 30 unnamed and unindicted coconspirators in the indictment. There are lots of people we know who testified or who played a role in the Georgia Effort by the trump team who escaped charges. Cnns Zachary Cohen is outside of the Fulton County jail in georgia. Zach, one of the most recognizable people cnn has identified from the indictment is trump political adviser boris epshteyn. Reporter yeah, jake, the details in this indictment make very clear that epshteyn is coconspirator number 3 even though his name is obviously not mentioned in the charging document itself. And a couple of the specific details that really make clear it is epshteyn is the reference to a November 2020 press Conference Held by then trump attorney Rudy Giuliani where he was talking about various claims about voter fraud and based on who we know was in attendance and who wasnt epshteyn is really the only person given the context in the indictment who they could be referring to. And the next example is a mention of emails that were sent between john eastman, ken cheseboro, who are both attorneys working for the trump legal team, and third recipient we know was bori