After being indicted in Georgia On SeriousCriminal Charges. The former president is accused now of being the head of a criminal enterprise to overturn joe bidens victory in that state. And tonight, a local sheriff says that he is expected to be out of Fulton County jail. So, what is going on right now in trumps world, with just ten days to go until surrender . We also have news on mark meadows, making a lastditch attempt to get the case against him in georgia dismissed. We will dig into all of that tonight. Plus, the 45th president united states, now faces a stunning 91 Criminal Charges amidst for separate cases. And will be tied up in multiple courtrooms throughout his president ial cycle, all of these running for a second term so what should the gop do, if their front runner has now been indicted four times over . We will talk to New Hampshire governor chris sununu, one of the former president s most vocal critics in the Republican Party. 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What do you expect to happen, if you are his attorneys, is it something you get over with, or you wait until the last second here . I think that theyre probably going to want to wait to the last second, just because what weve seen consistently throughout these cases is, the game of trying to delay it out a little more. And so if they have ten days and you surrender on the first day, if youre trying to drag the case out past the election, when i take the extra ten days. If it wasnt a case where you had an election, i would put my client in today. But, thats different, thats a different calculus. Yeah and of course, between today and the very last possible day, which is next friday, there is a president ial debate. But, another topic just today on the legal front. We have mark meadows, he is indicted in georgia. And now, his attorneys have now filed a motion to have this case to a federal court. What do you make of that legal move . And you think it will be successful . I do. I was expecting this kind of from the beginning, that i think donald trump and mark meadows will both File Removals to have it taken to the federal court. If you look at the attempt to move the alvin bragg case to federal court, and you read the decision by judge their. He lays out the standard. And when you read it you alvin braggs case needs to stay in the state court. But, fani williss case actually does belong in a federal court, because it really does deal with these two federal officials, related to things that they were doing while in office. And he is physically in the oval office as he is doing this stuff. So i suspect that will be successful. Now, that doesnt remove fani willis from the case. It is still the same prosecutor, still the same defense, still the same defense attorney, still the same indictment. Just a different, building different judge, different jury pool. What do you make of that, andrew . I think, i think for President Trump, mark meadows, and also Jeffrey Clark will be crazy not to make that move. I think they probably have a good chance of succeeding. But not a guaranteed shot at succeeding, particularly the former president. I mean he has to, under Supreme Court precedent, he has to be able to show not only that he was an officer of the court, but that he has a federal defense. I think are some questioning whether or not the defense, if he predicates that on a claim of federal immunity, i think its questionable as to whether or not federal immunity would cover his actions, as described in this indictment. Clearly, he was not acting under any federal authority, it was likely far beyond the scope of his duties as president , in meddling with the election in georgia. So, its not a guaranteed win for him, but they will absolutely make the motion, and they could succeed. And perhaps maybe the more surprising thing is that meadows was the first person to do it, and not trumps attorneys. Tim, just broadly speaking, the charges that that he is facing here in georgia, putting aside the issue of which venue it is tried in. If your his attorney, which you are not anymore, for a number of reasons. What would you say, to mount this defense of this former president . You know this case, more so than some of the others, i think when i read through the indictment, as i saw a lot of potential legal attacks. Before even get to the merits. The use of the rico statute, in this instance is unique. And, i think that theyre gonna have some problems, especially if they give it over to the federal court. Because rico has an element of continuity to it. Where you have an organization, an enterprise that is engaging in a series of racketeering acts, as part of a continuing course of conduct. Like a mafia family, or an Organized Crime Game it seems that. But here, its all focused on a singular event, which is the election. And so i think that, when you do bring it over to a federal court, and they start to apply some of the federal rico stands to it, thats going to become problematic. Also reading through the pattern of racketeering activity, i think there are ways that you can attack that, really on a motion to dismiss on the structural side, before you even get to the merits. And so, i want to see how much he could cut away there. You also have the issue of fani willis, shes a County District attorney. A lot of the stuff didnt happen in her county. Coffee county, theres a separate da for that. Yeah but, as she pointed out, theres stuff in the indictment that happened in other states. And thats not the say that their charged specifically with all these things. But that, they are part of the conspiracy. And i see Elliott Frantically [laughter] she needs to use the rico before that. Whats your take on that defense that you heard from tim . I think, you do have a continuing course of conduct. And i think a court could find that the course of conduct started back in june of 2020, culminated in the election, and continued on through, certainly the january 6th and even today. So, there is at least an argument that, there is continuing course of conduct. Look im with you, that it is an aggressive way to charge an individual. But, i think we have in our heads that rico racketeering, if its corrupt organizations and prosecutions, are for Mafia Families and so on. And the way the Georgia Statute is written, its broader than the federal statute, as we also heard talked about here. And perhaps, all these things can be brought in. But all these questions, including that removal of the federal courtroom, which im not totally agree with either view on either. It may actually end up staying in Georgia State court. Its just, a complicated legal question that no one touched yet. And, its going to be litigated. Can i just say for the record . When you listen to that phone call asking for those 11,780 votes. It sounds an awful lot like mafia case. Yeah. And that is for a jury, a kind of Crystal Clear piece of evidence. Ive represented gangsters, theyre a lot more vague than that. [laughter] but even if its not mafioso talk or whatever, that is not a president of the united states. It is a candidate for office, it is an individual who is running for office. Now, this question of moving it to federal Court Requires shim to be acting in his capacity as president. Now, where the president ends and the man begins, the candidate begins, and the president ends, is blurry, in a court is gonna have to sort that out. By just something its entirely cut and blot dry jamie, i want to give you a moment here for Rudy Giuliani, who was all over this indictment as well. He is being charged in a rico statute, which he basically pioneered. And then on top of that, we hear today that he is basically broke. These legal fees are piling up. What has happened to the man once known as americas mayor . He also said today that he hasnt changed, that he is still the same man. I interviewed rudy, as we called him when he was mayor, many times. If rudy has not changed in all these years, we didnt know him very well back then. Look, i have several Close Friends who worked with him, he is a different person today. And this is, he was a character when he was mayor, and he was a tough guy. And he liked to litigate, so he was, he was always an interesting person. But not the person were seeing today, and i think this is tragic, actually. One of the most unforgettable moments of the saga is that Press Conference at the rnc, with giuliani, with sweat dripping down his face. I mean it was just such a moment. And actually interestingly enough, its in the indictment in georgia, part of the evidence against him in this case. 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Now, trumps biggest critics of the 2024 primary race offered mixed reactions today. I want to bring in one of the former president s most outspoken critics himself, the New Hampshire governor, chris new. So, governor sununu, thank you for being here. What was your reaction when you looked at, i dont know if youve read all 98 pages, this indictment coming out of georgias Fulton County . Well, ill disagree with you on one thing. I dont think a stunning. I think we all knew it was stunning. Even the former president said, you know, fourth indictment would only help. And so, from a political standpoint, i dont think many folks on the republican side are shocked by this. I dont think abuses numbers anymore. And he kind of has a lot of that building sympathy vote there. But his point, it helps some, because this is all the medias talking about. As long as you guys, not you, cnn, the media, and understandably so, from eight pm to 11 pm every night saying his name 100 times and not really giving any air time to these other candidates, thats exactly what the former president wants, because he was want to have to talk about issues, he doesnt want to talk about Going Forward and Healing America and all these things for the rest of america wants to see. He wants to relitigate the past, and were kind of letting him do that, which is unfortunate. I think changes as we hit the debates. I hear what youre, saying but i think the question was actually more about the conduct alleged in the indictment. If you look at the sheer number of people charged in the georgia case, you are talking about 18 trump allies, including trump himself, and theyre accused of racketeering, and at least one related crime. Theres a lot of conduct alleged here, including trying to tamper with Voting Machines and actual voting information. What is your take on the actual information contained this document . So, a couple of things. Im not a lawyer, but i will say, this is incredibly similar to the federal indictment, right, that jack smith is doing out of doj. Other than as you brought up, there is now 18 people involved. Thats a much bigger swath of individuals. And something that i think republicans need to take note of, this is a grand jury in a very conservative state that said this guy needs to be indicted. This isnt just the department of justice in the idea that its all politicized. This is the grand jury in georgia, of all states. Which again, kind of doubled down on the idea that this guy cant win in november. We might give him the nomination, i hope we dont. But this Guy Cannot Win in a state like georgia. He cannot win in a state like arizona or New Hampshire, or the swing states that you absolutely have to have. And last time i checked, you cant govern if you dont win. This is going to be another sub story for donald trump. And hes gonna crush the republican ticket going down. So, im very hopeful still that theyre owns as a whole make us our choice and find that one or two candidates to go against him by the time i want to hunter hit. Trump is the nominee, what Republican Voters do, in your opinion . I mean, for indictments in, he will probably be an at least one dose trials. What should they do . What will you do if hes the nominee . Well, look, that reality wouldnt come to bear. If it did, and i dont think it will, it wont come to bear until about a year for now. So, the whole political dynamic is going to change. Is joe biden even on the taken by . Then what have the democrats done by then . What are they alternatives by land . There will be all these other what ifs, what if this, what if. And then each voters would have to decide. Thats actually the beauty of our system. We might completely disagree with voters, even sometimes in our own party. But its their choice to make. And its americas choice to make. One of the candidates in the race, ron desantis, is saying that this indictment is helping trump. And he may be right. If you look at some of the polling, a Pullen Marts Show that trump and desantis were just about four points away. And more recently in the new york times, a cnn poll found that trump had a massive lead over desantis. Its only grown. But i wonder, do you think thats true, that the indictments are the reason that hes winning . Or is the failure of candidates like desantis and others to of course, of course. Or is it the failure of other candidates to launch a Strong Campaign against him . Well, look, i think, i think theres too many candidates in the race. I think most people would agree. I think its diluted message. I think a lot of them have a hard time, not just they spend time defending themselves and policy, i think theyre missing about their. They need to show leadership, inspiration, something people can galvanize and get excited about, right. They have our interest, not to have to get us excited as republicans in the party. But there is no doubt that these four indictments have definitely built a lot of sympathy for the former president. He knows how to use the media to his advantage incredibly, incredibly well. Ill give him all the credit in the world on that. He knows how to take something bad, make it good, Build Sympathy and empathy onto himself. He plays this victim role. The guy is literally a victim, right, at this point, which is crazy if you know his background understand who he really is. But hes been able to play that very well. And national, i mean, its not so much New Hampshire and iowa, because the polls locally here are very different and what you see nationally, but nationally, the average republican is just seeing what they see on the news, and theyre not seeing any other candidates. No one is giving the other candidates airtime. No ones given the other candidates , while i disagree with you on that. I have to disagree other candidates are getting plenty of airtime, its a question of what are they doing with that airtime. No, they dont get any air time. Many of them have been on this very channel. Every station tonight and the next night and the next night will say trump to trumps name 100 times. And you have one candidate on there, one candidate there, hes getting 98 of the attention. Let me ask you this. Look, next week, trump says hes going to hold a Press Conference about the george indictment. He says hes going to prove that there is voter fraud. What should the response of the other candidates in this race be to that . It is 2023. Trump is going to hold a Press Conference next monday about the 2020 president ial election. So, i honestly dont believe from a purely political standpoint that their responses want to move their numbers one way or a another. I just dont. These candidates have to make their own news. There to show you something about who they are in terms of leadership. And if its only based on donald trump, and again, theyre giving trump all the airtime. Theyre only creating themselves in based on his image and his likeness and how they compare to that. So, trump love that. Your playing right into his hand if you think every candidate should only be out there taking outside on trump or not. They gotta be themselves its not that theyre taking a side. I dont think its about taking a side on trump. Its a question taking a side on whether what hes saying is true or false. Before you go, governor, just a final question, i mean, we were getting at this earlier, four indictments in, if trump is the nominee, will you vote for him . Again, i dont think hes going to be the nominee. And thats a question from a year from now, when 100 other variables will come into play. I dont say, whether i vote for him or another person for him, im not a candidate. So, that doesnt really matter, if i may. What matters is what happens v now and then, how we narrow the field down a bunch of republicans, how we get the majority of republicans in the country a very clear choice as opposed to 11 candidate trump. So, thats all that really matters between now and then. And how these candidates, to your point, stand on their own, create their own news, create their own inspiring moments that people say, you know, what there is the one, there is the one individual we can narrow this down to. Trump can take his 40 of the vote and go home. Well take a 60 with the southern candidate and actually have something for the future of america. You are not a candidate, youre right, but you are a citizen, like so many others, watching this program. And i think it is interesting that you wont say that you will rule out voting for trump, even though you are making such a because i dont know. Even oh youre making such an argument. I dont know. Are you going to vote for joe biden . Are you want to vote for joe biden if hes indicted on bribery . [laughter] well i mean, so much could change between now and next year. Well, thats one way of looking at it. Governor chris enugu, thank you for joining us, i appreciate it. There you go. As the tale have two indictments, two different approaches to indicting the former president. The state charges over georgia, over in georgia, over trumps efforts to overturn the 2020 election. And then over there, the federal charges, also for trumps election subversion efforts. Well discuss the difference between them, next. Power e trades easytouse tools, like dynamic charting and riskreward analysis help make trading feel effortless. 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Now, if donald trump wins the presidency in 2024, there is a chance that he could try to pardon himself if he is convicted in the January 6th Case. But those pardoning powers, they dont extend to state crimes, meaning he couldnt pardon himself if hes convicted in georgia. And the States Government couldnt pardon him either. For more on this, i want to bring in democratic congressman jamie raskin, he served on the january 6th select committee. Congressman raskin, think of joining us tonight. Look, these indictments are so different, 45 pages versus 98 pages. A veritable tome in georgia. Willis really is alleging this broad conspiracy, over 100 different acts that are allegedly in furtherance of that conspiracy. Jack smith basically took a very narrow path, he focused on trump himself. I wonder, do you have any concerns that the georgia indictment just might be a little too broad . Well, it is broad in terms of the number of charges when you are talking about 41 charges. But it is really identified the crimes down at the molecular level, false statements to the government, false documentary submissions, forgeries, solicitation of Public Officials to violate their oath of office, conspiracy to do defraud the people of georgia of their election and so on. It is very specific and dense in terms of what the charges are and linking those to specific acts. There are more than 150 specific actions that were already alleged as part of the indictment. Whereas in the federal case of course you had the more general statement of the conspiracy to defraud the American People and cheat us out of our election. The conspiracy to interfere with the federal proceeding and the conspiracy to violate everybodys civil rights, specifically the right to vote and choose our own leaders. So, i view it more as the federal indictment being much more of a Macro Statement of what was going on with the conspiracy, and then the rico charges relating to the conspiracy in georgia being a far more dense and molecular reconstruction of exactly what happened and how it violated the state laws for the people of georgia. While you are on the january 6th committee, you all had some run ins with the former chief of staff, mark meadows. He initially cooperated and then stopped, basically, cooperating. Why do you think it ended up that fani willis was able to charge mark meadows in her indictment, but Special Counsel jack smith didnt . Either he chose not to or believed, perhaps, he could not for some reason. Well, i dont know the answer to your question, but i am suing that they have a lot more factual information and testimony about what his role actually was. Interestingly, a few hours ago, i believe that mr. Meadows petitioned for removal of this case under a statute which allows federal officials in certain circumstances to remove cases from State Court To Federal court, if they were acting under the color of federal law in execution of their federal duties. So, what is curious to me about that is that he has to be, essentially, alleging an argument that he was acting on president ial orders to do everything that he did within the confines of his job. In other words who is not acting as a Campaign Volunteer after hours on a lincolns, but rather was executing the orders of don trump. So we will see what happens, he may have a plausible case for getting it removed. It is interesting that he once to get out of state court and fly back to the safety of the Federalist Society packed federal courts. In any event, i believed in the 11th circuit where the court is considering another rico action, which was Donald Trumps rico lawsuit against hillary clinton, which was thrown out of the District Court level, which is now being considered by the 11th court. But we are getting so much donald trump litigation and prosecution where he has other defendant, the plaintiffs might argue different sides on the same legal issue in Different Cases that are appearing in various circuits. He is a one man crime wave and he is going to be in his own Law School Seminar one day. One of the other things i want to ask you about, i know that you dealt with as well, this is trumps speech on the ellipse on january 6th. Fani willis called that speech an overt act of that conspiracy, that rico conspiracy. Is it a risk to go there when it comes to Criminal Charges . Doesnt veer into free speech territory . If she raises what he said on that ellipse that day . If that is all she was hanging her hat on and thats the only action being alleged, then it would obviously invite the First Amendment struggle. Of course, under the brandenburg decision, incitement to Imminent Lawless Action is not protected under the First Amendment. In any case, thats not the only action by a long shot. They have got 161 different specific actions that are alleged and, of course, speech makes up the course of Conduct Constituting a lot of crimes. For example, if you think about it antitrust collusion conspiracy, where businesses get together to set prices, that cannot take place without speech. When you think about Insider Trading and people conspiring to give secrets about what is taking place inside company, that cant take place without speech. So you dont zero in, microscopically, and just look at the speech. You see its part of a pattern of conduct that adds up to violation of the law. She is alleging a lot of different criminal actions way beyond his speech at the ellipse, which as i said before, is not necessarily itself protected under the First Amendment because, to my mind, it did incite Imminent Lawless Action. And the proof of that is the fact that 150 of our Police Officers were bloodied and wounded by the mob that he sent down at the capitol. Congressman jamie raskin, thank you very much for joining us tonight. Thanks for having me. And 2024 candidates are reacting to this latest indictment of former President Trump, what they are saying, next. So i called innovation refunds. Their team of independent Tax Attorneys will work with your cpa to determine if your company is eligible. [whip sound] take the first step to see if your Small Business qualifies. Listen up, you dogs with allergic itch todays talking lesson is just one word apoquel. Apoquel. You cant teach your itchy dog to talk. So, talk to your vet about apoquel. 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Lets bring in cnn senior political commentator and former republican congressman adam kinzinger, and also former White House Communications director kate bedingfield. So, kate, i want to ask you about what a president ial candidate Chris Christie also said this week. Basically, christie has been one of the people most strongly criticizing trump, but heres what he said about this latest georgia indictment. Im uncomfortable with what i read last night. I think that this conduct is basically covered by the federal indictment. Election interference is election interference, its been charged by jack smith. I would have less of a problem with this if she decide, okay, im not going to charge donald trump here because hes been charged, essentially this conduct, by jack smith. But giuliani and meadows and others have not been charged at the federal level. That would be a more defensible indictment, i think. Did that surprise you, to see Chris Christie taking that stance . Well, the digital bit. Because these comments and obviously the comments of Governor Desantis and many of the other candidates who are running, republican candidates who are running for the nomination, sound like people who are resigned to donald trump being the nominee. I think, this really underscores how much this is Donald Trumps party. We have evidence over the course of the last, you know, a couple of years that show just appalling behavior by former president. And you have a handful of elected officials who say they want to be the standard bearer of the party in 2024 who are unwilling to take that on. I think theres certainly a moral component that. But also from political standpoint, from history teacher standpoint, the dynamic of the race is not going to change unless someone takes it to donald trump and really meaningful way. And this is an opportunity to do that. It is the governor christie sort of back off as some of the tougher things he said about don trump over the past few weeks, few months, i think shows you where the Republican Party, where these candidates believe the race is going. Adam, do you think there is a path here for republicans to address this directly head on, as kate said, while also getting vote that they need to potentially become the nominee . Well, if they all did it and actually lead, like the word leadership means, to lead, and told the base of voter that donald trump is corrupt, which we all know, they all know, they all know hes corrupt, they know he broke the law. Everyone kind of jump off the cliff and tell the voters the truth, yeah, there be a path, because people would listen to them. But instead, i mean, its amazing to me when people are sitting around reading the stuff about donald trump and theyre probably open to maybe this was wrong, maybe this is corrupt. And they see ron desantis stand up and say this is a weaponization of the doj. Of course theyre going to believe its weaponization of the doj, because they trust ron desantis, they trust him scott, they trust these people. These people that are running for president are failing their voters. Theyre not leading their voters. Every day that goes by, when i watch people like desantis and tim in everything say, oh, this is just weaponization, it just blows my mind. Im like, why are you even running . Just endorsed donald trump, work for him, and trying it in the cabinet. Because you know this is corrupt. The people that vote republican, i think their hearts, obviously very good people. But they have been so misled that, you know, yes, everyones responsible for they believe. But to an extent, im like, if all your leaders are telling you the doj has been weaponized, i guess its fair to believe it. One of the things about this grand jury indictment in georgia is it actually lists the names of the jurors, the grand jurors, who are part of it. Its not meant to be secret in that state. And predictably, on truth social, theres all this chatter about these individuals. Adam, quickly, i mean, what do you make of that . Im sure you can imagine what is being said about these individuals online. Oh, look, i look at the stuff online, i see whats that about me, i can see whats said about them. This is really dangerous. And i get it its the georgia law. But these people need to be very careful. And they shot security around them, because it doesnt mean that everybody that loves donald trump is going to go out and be violent, but if just 0. 5 , or 0. 25 Think Violence is the answer, theyre gone to go after these folks. This is very scary if you see whats being said on social kate, awe look at the counter he, e first Republican Debate is just about week away now. And you, know trump has to turn himself in by friday. Earlier in the program, tim parlatore, one of his former attorneys says hes probably not wait until the vy st second, which would be after that debate. I wonder, if you are the biden caaign, whats the strategy here . Is it just to let this all play out . Is it to weaponize this in some way . Well, i think what the Biden Campaign will do is just continue to demonstrate the contrast. I mean, i will tell you what we saw on the campaign in 2019 and 2020 consistently in polling and focus groups in our internal data on the campaign was that people were really put off by the sense of chaos around donald trump. And you know, particularly independent voters, swing voters, to the extent that there are really swing voters left in this moment in our politics. But people really put off. And so, the best thing the Biden Campaign can do and what i imagine they will do is let it play out. Because, you know, whether donald trump is physically at that debate or not, he will be at that that debate. The specter of donald trump will be hanging over that debate. And when youre preparing for a president ial primary debate, youre thinking about what are the one or two narratives i could possibly grasp moving out of the debate, coming out of the debate. There are only a limited number of headlines available, sort of the way this works. So, every candidate is trying to think through how they can land their moment. And so, donald trump is guaranteed to be one of those storylines coming out of that debate. Whether hes on the stage or not. So, the rest the candidates going after work through how they can steal a moment for themselves. But the Biden Campaign, the best thing they can do, and what i expect they will do, is to stand back, let it happen, and let people see whether looking party stands for right now. Yeah, and of course, thats part of the calculus, with trump saying maybe hell be there, maybe he wont. Kate bedingfield and adam kinzinger, thank you both very much. Thanks, abby. And up next, in arkansas public schools, to now being told by the state Department Of Education that this new ap African American studies class may not meet the Graduation Requirements in the state. Up next, ill speak with a Little Rock School board member who opposes that abrupt change. So why do we leave so much Untapped Potential on the table . This is a next level bed, for a next level you. My Circadian Rhythm is kicking your Circadian Rhythms butt its not a competition. I know, but im still winning so, it is a competition. Save 50 on the sleep Number Limited Edition smart bed. Plus, free Home Delivery when you add a base. Shop now only at sleep number. Just the three of us girls. I never thought twice about feeding her kibble. But about two years ago, i realized she was overweight. 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Now, the states governor, Sarah Huckabee sanders has been a vocal critic of what she calls indoctrination in schools. We have to make sure we are not indoctrinating our kids and these policies in these ideas never see the light a day. We should never teach our kids to hate america, or that america is a racist and evil country. And joining me now is attorney and School Board Member for the Little Rock School district aly nolin. Shes representing two plaintiffs in a lawsuit against the learns act. Ali, thank you for joining us. I wonder, do you believe that this apr freakonomics studies course does violate the text of that new state law, the learns act . Absolutely not. This course is an essential an important part of American History. But what it does is provide students with original documents so that they can learn the Critical Thinking skills to be able to interpret and make their own decisions about these topics. So, it is the opposite of indoctrination. Now, cnn spoke with the Communications Director for governor huckabee sanders, and she pointed out that this is a pilot class, that African American history, a separate class, is already offered in arkansas schools. She tweeted something to that effect yesterday as well. Do you think that is the real reason that this course is not basically being endorsed by the state for students to get credit towards graduation for . No, i do not. We have seen this course piloted in arkansas last year successively. The students who took it last year were able to use it for Graduation Credit. This change came abruptly this weekend. You know, the weekend before School Started in arkansas. And in fact, in a statement yesterday, the Arkansas Department of education specifically said they are prohibited topics that can be taught under arkansas law and cited that language. So, i believe that that is actually what this is about, the fact that this is an African American studies course. This is obviously unfolding in arkansas, and little rock is the home of the central high school. Thats the scene of this major battle over school desegregation. Hopefully, students across the country are learning about the Little Rock Nine. I wonder, what has been the reaction in the state to black history becoming the subject of this kind of controversy . The people ive spoken to are extremely frustrated and angry. This course, we had almost 100 students enrolled and ready to take this course at Central Little Rock High School this school year. And we have you know, we want to provide our students with every opportunity. Other students and other states are able to take ap courses and gain all the benefits, things like obtaining College Credit and waited gpa is. And here in arkansas, now because of this decision, the only students who might be ill to take this course are students who can afford to forego a Graduation Credit for a yearlong course like this. And so, especially here, i cannot think of anywhere that it is more important to study this history that in the classroom and little rock central high school, a National Historic site based on its role in American History and a civil rights movement. All right, ali no land, thank you very much for joining us tonight and sharing that perspective. Coming up ahead on cnn, cnn tonight with laura coats. She sits Down With Hollywood Legend morgan freeman. Theyre gonna discuss his latest project on the original black panthers. Thats next. Listen up, you dogs with allergic itch todays talking lesson is just one word apoquel. Apoquel. You cant teach your itchy dog to talk. So, talk to your vet about apoquel. Apoquel is for the control of allergic itch in dogs. Do not use apoquel in dogs with serious infections. Apoquel may increase the chances of developing serious infections. And may cause existing parasitic Skin Infections or preexisting cancers to worsen. New neoplasias have been observed. 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He did so, i might add, using the very same laws that are being used against him. Twdecades ago, he actually wrote on his book in leadership, and im quing here, i dreamed up the tactic of using the federal racketeer influence and Corruption Organizations act to prosecute the mafia leadership, unquote, otherwise known as rico, for those following along. At the time, the law was actually relatively new. Giuliani, well, he popularized it, making it the model for state and federal prosecutors for decades to come when it comes to large groups attempting a type of conspiracy, including, i might add, fani willis. The Fulton County d. A. Is now trading Rudy Giuliani with several crimes for his efforts to allegedly overturn the election, including racketeering. Now, the rico law, something that he has, while, hes championed for years but. The upper level people are not used to being convicting, and theyre certainly not used to being convicted on racketeering. 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