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Ease offered him, quote, structure, support, and most of all unconditional love. The attorney also says the family has always been upfront about the conservatorship, and never prove its canceling, or claim global young man whose athletic talent could be expelled fors own benefit. He wants the conservatorship to end and accounting of the money earned from his name. As you know, a fictionalized version of the story was the hit movie the blindside and a book by the same. A. Thats it for us. The news continues, the source with Kaitlan Collins continues right now. Tonight, straight from the source, a first move by one of trumps codefendants in georgia, his former Chief Of Staff mark meadows now seeking to move the prosecution against him to a Federal Court in hopes of getting it dismissed. Will it work . Well see. As for trumps next moves, its a lot like his previous one. He has now claiming, finally, he has the evidence to prove the election was stolen when he has failed to do so for nearly three years. Also tonight, there is growing desperation and frustration to be felt around hawaii a week after the Deadly Wildfires broke out. People are still missing, fires are still burning and families are still waiting for word on their missing loved ones. Im Kaitlan Collins, and this is the source. Tonight, we are learning new details following last nights indictment, including on where donald trump will likely be surrendering. The Fulton County Sheriffs Office says he is expected to be, que, at the Fulton County jail. The bition tonight, of course, is still when . The Sheriffs Office said in a new statement that is expected all 19 crumble defendants named in the new indictment will be booked their. There are ten more days for this group to voluntarily turn themselves in. The jail is open 24 7, the Sheriffs Office says they can come whenever they want. In the meantime, trump is focusing on proving claims that he is been making without basis for nearly three years now. The former president is now promising to finally reveal evidence next monday about his Election Fraud claims. Maggie herman has reporting on whats behind those socalled plans, and shell join me in just a moment. Its important to note though trumps claims have never been proven in any venue or any courtroom. Thats something for the georgia governor, brian kemp, noted today after trump keys that News Conference, saying, quote, the 2020 election in georgia was not stolen. Meanwhile, trumps attorney turnedcodefendant Rudy Giuliani weighed in today on when he expects to turn himself in. I will pick a day next week, try to work out the conditions of bail, there has to be bail. Im anxious to fight this case. I woke up this morning more excited than i have been in weeks. You said why . Because ive got a fight on my hand, and justifiable one. Were going to beat these fascists into the ground. Im the same Rudy Giuliani that went into the one after the mob, i havent changed one bit. Except, he has. He is now on the other side of the law he used to Jail Monsters as a federal prosecutor. Meanwhile, mark meadows, trumps former Chief Of Staff is now the first of the codefendants to try to get his portion of the case moved from a state court to a Federal Court. His legal team is now arguing tonight that charges in the indictment pertain to actions he took while he was serving in the white house, and they intend to submit, they say, at a later date. Why the case against him should be dismissed under federal law. Im joined tonight by Maggie Haberman of the New York Times, also the author of confidence man, the Making Of Donald Trump and the breaking of america. Maggie, i mean, trump i feel like weve seen this movie before worries finally promising to something hes been teasing, especially the Election Fraud claims, that never been borne out. But you have new reporting on whats behind what were expecting to see on monday. So, jonathan swan, my colleague and i reported earlier today that aides and allies of trump woke up today several hours after this indictment was filed accusing him of trying to subvert the 2020 election as part of a conspiracy to discovered that he had posted on truth social saying he has a major News Conference on monday where hes going to release a report. Now, that report in question turns out to refer to a document crafted or, you know, created, at least in part, by Liz Harrington, a Trump Communications aide. And it refers to georgia, and it is going to address what she is, i think, and when she was working on it with, is going to argue is widespread fraud. We know those claims have been debunked over and over again. Brian kemp, the states governor, again try to denounce that today. So, the election was not stolen, lets move on. The reason that the presence of Liz Harrington is interesting is she is connected to a key seen in the documents indictment, where trump is waving around, according to prosecutors, a classified document or a secret document as he refers to it, that he acknowledges he couldve declassified as president. And she is one of the women quoted in the recording of that, weve been, told by multiple sources. Whether this actually happens remains to be seen. So, the person that is named in one of the other indictments that is facing him is now helping him respond to this latest indictment. Correct, and it speaks to the way that world works right now. A number of people who are around him, either as advisers or lawyers or, you know, all kinds of other people, are connected to these cases in various ways. They are witnesses, in some cases. You know, Rudy Giuliani is clearly coconspirator number one in the federal indictment against trump related to january 6th in trying to overturn the election results. And he is indicted in georgia. So, it just creates this culture weve never seen before. List in this indictment which mainly made me think potential for them to i mean, theres a lot of opportunities for people to cooperate here. There are, and he is aware of that, and it is one of the things that i believe has concern him about this indictment, also the fact that it is in state court, it is not something he can control if he becomes president again, although i think theres an argument as to whether a state case would actually go for it against the sitting president of the way this is. But yes, this is many tentacles, its big, its fully luminous, and a lot of allegations in it. And theres a lot of people connected to it, not all of whom are in his direct orbit. Thats the other thing to bear in mind. Yeah, the second half of that list is all, like, count Coffee County officials who are directly connected to him. Mark meadows is though. And to see his name, as i was reading through it when i got released last night, read mark randele meadows, i mean, it just stood out. He has been indicted in the other cases. Hes now the first one to try to say, well, i was just fulfilling my official white house duties. And thats why trying to get moved to a Federal Court here. Its an argument that i expect former President Trump will make as well, which is that they were acting under the color of their jobs, and that this is something that belongs in Federal Court because that. Im not surprised to see meadows make that argument. Like you, it was striking to see his name in this indictment because his name has been at the center of this whole issue as its been investigated for the last 2. 5 years. But you are correct, he was not one of the coconspirators mansion, as best as we can tell they were, in the jacks mitt indictment. He has not been charged federally. He has been much less of a presence than we are used to around donald trump. And he is one of the people about whom i think the former president is most concerned about what they may or may not have said. Certainly a lot of aides around trump or concern about what he may or may not have said in various investigations. Yeah, and also the questions of how that affects what jack smith is trying to do, clearly hes trying to use him. The other thing, just reading through the indictment, a lot of it is, like, things that we knew that had happened. But i was also struck, 12 of the 161 overt acts, as phony will refer to them, were trump s tweets. Yeah, and public and others republics it mince. Yeah. I mean, this is look, we talked about this a lot with the tweets. They were things he was doing. There is the joke about i was about to write a story and trump just tweeted it out. They were literally planning on these actions, and trump just tweeted it out. Their argument is going to be the trump teams, that this is free speech, and in the right to say all these things. And fani williss argument is that individual actions dont have to be criminal on their own, but part of a broader conspiracy, which is what she charge they are. It is why trumps aides and lawyers, over a very large period of time, wanted him to stop tweeting the way he did. You know, they would like him to do less truth social posting the way he is now. It doesnt get heard the way he used to. And hes announcing about this huge Press Conference, as you reported it, a lot of one question that i had lost Night Thinking about this is how this affects what he was doing with the debate. Before this, we are told he is not going to show up to the debate next wednesday. But now that hes got this time crunch to turn himself in, to actually show up in Fulton County, do you think that could change the calculus at all that he has . It is two days after the debate to turn himself in. I think hes likely to stick to a plan. Theres been some discussion today about will this be like right after the access Hollywood Tape in october, 2016, when he went to st. Louis to debate Hillary Clinton and that set him back on a path toward winning . But his whole campaign was riding on that debate, as one former aide pointed out to me this morning correctly. Thats not the case here in terms of the primary. I think it could impact his impulse to defend himself. I still think its unlikely that he shows up. But again, its him. You never really know until he does or doesnt do it. You cover new york politics for a long time. Youve covered Rudy Giuliani for a long time. Youve seen him go from this heroic figure to him today saying hes going to beat the fascists into the ground i believe the quote that he was. What do you make of the fact that the Racketeering Law he used to prosecute members of Organized Crime here in new york is now being used against them in Fulton County . For people, just like Rudy Giuliani, new york politics, new york city voters, there are many, they feel as if this is the ultimate irony. For people who really like Rudy Giuliani and thought he was a good mayor, they feel as if this is a tragedy. It is surreal hearing really said by this indictment, because i cant imagine that he ever thought it would be fun or engaging or a fun fight to be accused of racketeering. I mean, this is somebody who was a Renowned National figure for busting mobsters using a similar law. And that he has in a quest, basically, to be relevant to stay around former President Trump ended up here is very upsetting to the people who still care about him. I mean, hes also running out of money. I mean i dont know about running, out i think he may be out. He may be out . Hes putting up his apartment here in new york for six point 5 million in a sign of and i mean, thats not going to end. Hes got more cases just this week alone when it comes to his law license and the in georgia. One of the ironies right now on the situation around donald trump as you will hear some of his advisers say hes really upset that rudy got indicted, or leading into this, he was really worried about rudy. But not so worried that he was going to be pay giulianis legal bills. And this is an issue overnight ending a. People are so close to giuliani will try to blame to blame the Republican National committee or the former aide to trump or this person. This is trump. According to my reporting, it was trump who didnt want giuliani paid unless giuliani delivered on his promises. And obviously, that did not happen. Maggie haberman, its never going to end the. 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But then there are other lives that have now been forever altered by their connection to donald trump in that time, like the president of a Swimming Pool company, a police chaplain, a mixed martial arts fighter, they are now accused of taking part in this criminal enterprise. Prosecutors claim that the corrupt organization that was breached not just from the oval office to the former publicist of kanye west. And even a bails bomb and was caught on tape trying to access voting machines. Im joined now by a pair of federal prosecutors, ali conan elliott williams, who was Senior Investigative counsel when the january 6th congressional committee. He may have been on air with me till 2 am last night. If you look at the 19 people, one of those faces, mark meadows, is now rey trying to get his case moved from the state courhe Federal Court. Obviously, thats something were Hearing Trump is also going to try to do. Do you think hell be successful . Its interesting, and i think an important candidate by mark meadows, and surely donald trump will follow. This body of lock goes back to the early 1900s, and it basically says if somebody who is a federal official gets charged criminally by a state or a county, as in the dea, then if the conduct relates to your job as a federal official, you can move on to Federal Court. I think its a 50 50 chance if he succeeds. But if he does, heres what it means. It means first of all, he gets a much better jury pool. Because instead of strong from Fulton County, which one 72 to 26 against donald trump, now youre drawn from the Northern Counties of georgia, some of which went 60, 70 for donald trump, but more importantly if you get into Federal Court, the next move, if they win, theyre gonna asked to dismiss on the basis of immunity. There want to say as federal officials, were immune. Thats how high the stakes are. But if trump does that, if am i correct that if he gets charged, in the state charges, not federal charges . But basically the federal charges. Even a State Prosecutor pick, up across the street to the Federal Courthouse. I mean, obviously this is something they would try to potentially appeal. Do you think this is something that could reach the Supreme Court . I would fully expected to reach the Supreme Court. I think here, it is a novel issue whether President Trump was acting on the collar of law here. But i think a distinction thats really important here, theyre drawing the line between Candidate Trump and President Trump. And whats clear is that committing crimes while being a federal official does not grant you immunity. Just because present trump was in the white house, he was not free to engage in criminal acts and claim he was doing it because it was president. And right distinction here is gonna be key. One of the fact that youre hearing from people like Mark Meadows Attorney but also other allies of trump online who are kind of having this misleading commentary, cherrypicking from this to say placing calls is not illegal, tweeting is not illegal. Sure, but if youre doing it in furtherance of crime, its the point that the District Attorney is making in the indictment, thats what makes it illegal . Exactly, i think we all have to be on watch for this technique, and Defense Lawyers do this, it can be an effective tactic, take one narrow slice of the indictment and say whats wrong with that, folks, whats wrong with a tweet . Whats wrong with making a call . And the prosecutors always come back and say its part of the grander conspiracy. It was a necessary part of the conspiracy. It was a necessary way they spread the fraud. It was a necessary rod and thats underway they pressured the official. So, dont fall for this trick and the official look at this one thing its the whole picture. One person we heard from today since were talk about this and reading through this indictment last nights Rudy Giuliani. And hes kind of making the argument for himself of what he believes should happen here, in addition to mark meadows. The federal statutes say when you indict someone for things they did in federal office, or things that, for example, i did as an agent for someone in federal office, it should be removed the Federal Court. An agent for someone in a federal i mean, how does that . He wasnt being paid by the taxpayers, just because trump put him in charge those efforts. Could he still have leeway to make that argument . Certainly not. Theres just no basis for this argument. Mayor giuliani, frankly, is just making this up. Being sent to do something by a candidate for future office does not grant you protection under the statute. Its simply wrong. Okay, so no chance for Rudy Giuliani, do you think . I think no chance there. What do you make of mark meadows . He is indicted. Here he is not indicted by jack smith. And that investigation to efforts overturn the election, do you think jack smith is unhappy about this . Does this mess up his plan . It certainly escalates the mystery around mark meadows. If mark meadows was cooperating with jack smith, that could be, we dont know, hes not named in the indictment, hes not won the coconspirators. But people suspect he is, lets offer with that. If we assume he is, this indictment by fani willis blows that up. It is a major problem for jack smith. Because when you have a cooperation deal, the deal is youre gonna own up to everything youve done, and im going to make sure you are clear for everything else. Now, if out of left field, we got this new indictment, and mark meadows is looking at rico charges federally, that could be a problem. The other thing were learning about jack smith investigation which broke just a few months before we got on air is when they were seeking access, federal investigators, to trumps twitter account, they were specifically looking for direct messages, apparently of which there were many. Its not clear that those are ones that trump sent. I mean, what would they be looking for in those direct messages of his . At the court in a criminal case is the defendant state of mind. Prosecutors are consistently trying to get into what the defendant was thinking to show that he had criminal intent. And here, President Trump still to this day continues to argue that he was not acting improperly, that he didnt mean to do anything illegal here. So, direct messages, when its on the public spotlight, his private thoughts, that could be key evidence against him. Elie, what do you make of that . No, i agree. Donald trump famously, you would know, doesnt text or email people. But if hes using that dm function, i want to get right into that. That could be really valuable. Yet, that seems like something that could be a lot of surprise to a lot of. People a lot of almonds, a lot of late nights ahead. So, thanks for being here with us. All right, in light of this fourth indictment, some of trumps 2024 rivals are once again defending him. A few are not mincing words. That includes my next guest, who has personal experience prosecuting racketeering racketeering cases like the one trump is now facing former arkansas governor isa hutchinson, who is here next. Their team of independent Tax Attorneys will work with your cpa to determine if your company is eligible. [whip sound] take the first step to see if your Small Business qualifies. Astepro allergy, steroid free allergy relief that starts working in 30 minutes, while other Allergy Sprays take hours. With astepros unbeatably fast allergy relief you can astepro and go how do we decide what hotel to book . [ding] aargh fear not, i got you who are you . Im your fairy hotel mother. What is happening . Let me help you pick a hotel you feel good about. Choice hotels is a family of brands, with a hotel for every type of stay. [whoosh] [ding] like a comfort with the kiddos. Oooo, spacious [whoosh] [ding] or, a Cambria Hotel downtown for just the two of you. Hold my wand. Dont wave it at anything. Stay twice and get a 50 giftcard when you book direct at choicehotels. Com. Mmm yeah what did i say . the former president s trials and tribulations extend from the courtroom, well, several of them, to the campaign trail. One of his opponents for the republican nomination also happens to be a former u. S. Attorney who is prosecuted rico cases, this kind of Conspiracy Charge that donald trump is now facing in georgia in the past. Joining me now is Asa Hutchison, former arkansas governor, former u. S. Attorney. As we noted, hes prosecuted these types of cases. Good evening, governor, and thanks for being here. Youve now had time to read this indictment. How worried do you think trump in these 18 codefendants should be . Well, i think theyre very frustrated that these charges are brought in state court. They see this as something thats going to be all consuming. Its going to drag on for sometime. So, these are serious charges. Its going to be a difficult environment for them. And theres a lot of work to be done. And the biggest challenge, both the prosecution and the defense, is that there is multiple, multiple defendants. And that complicates the trial in every way. I dont see how this case can be resolved before the election. I think it will be one of the last ones that will be resolved, quite frankly, i think the State Prosecutor in georgia shouldve deferred to jack smith and the Special Counsel as they investigated and pursue the indictment surrounding january 6th. That, from my experience, is what ordinarily happens whenever you have overlapping federal jurisdiction, state jurisdiction, the federal jurisdiction usually is deferred to by the State Prosecutor. So, you agree with Chris Christie . Because he has said similar basically, that he thinks the station of deferred, especially since that other indictment from jack smith became first. But given that youre saying you are a former federal prosecutor, you worked on this, youve pursued Racketeering Charges in the past. So, what do you make of District Attorney fani williss application whats known as these rico charges and how this case was ultimately put together . Well, ive always thought that the coal that was made by President Trump to the secretary of state of georgia was not a perfect call, it was problematic, it crossed lines that alert any prosecutors that theres something wrong here. And of course, shes further investigated it and brought these charges. My reaction to it is that this would not stand under a federal racketeering charge, but under a state racketeering charge, of which the overt acts or the acts that are carried out in furtherance of the racketeering is much broader in state court. And so, it is substantive in state court, it should stick in state court in the sense that i dont think it will be subject to a dismissal. There is a question as to whether it can be removed to Federal Court. But it does fit within the Georgia Racketeering charges. And georgia is one of the few states that actually has state rico statutes. Most of these are just simply left in the federal level. And theyre kind of modeled in georgia after those federal laws as well. On this indictment, what weve heard so far from your fellow 2024 challengers, this is a bit of that. I think its an example of this criminalization of politics. Weve seen the legal system being weaponized against political opponents. That is unamerican and unacceptable. You know, governor, when we hear those comments from Governor Desantis and senator scott, a lot of republicans, what we had heard was first, you know, we cant impeach trump, there should be left to the courts, now hes been indicted, and now, suddenly the refrain is how the legal system is being weaponized, that there should be left voters. But of course, when it was left voters in the 2020 election, trump lost that election, he lied about it, he tried to overturn it. And that is why we are here where we are tonight. I mean, how do you even debate a circular argument like the one that you hear from your fellow republicans on that . Well, its hard to hold anyone accountable for their actions without argument. And here, ive always said that donald trump is morally responsible for what happened on january 6th. Were testing the court system as whether hes criminal leave responsible. And the facts in the law will govern that. Im here in iowa in what i see from the voters is that, one, theyre totally overwhelmed by the number of indictments and the chaos that surrounds these charges. It divides our country. Some say they should never have been brought, these charges, that its position of the Justice Department. Others say should have been brought a long time ago. Were divided on the issue. So, the first action is is that its going to be the voters who will decide. But at the same time, what im seeing is that the voters are frustrated, they believe that donald trump has broken their trust. He has misled voters. And thats what he has to be held accountable for, when he misled his supporters about the 2020 election that was stolen from him when he knew better. Of course, a big question is next week is the debate. We are hearing that donald trump is not expected to show up. A big question for you is whether or not you will be there. Youve met the polling threshold, you have not yet met the minimum donors. Please tell me if thats different. Where will you be, governor, next wednesday night . I plan on being on the debate stage there in milwaukee. Youre right, we met the polling threshold. We have met the donor threshold, the 40,000. How close are you . Weve got five days still left to do it. Getting closer every day. I wont give you the exact number. But i like the trend line in which were moving towards that goal. So, i need everybodys help to get there, because you need my voice on that debate stage. Former arkansas governor Asa Hutchison goahead. Asa 2024. Com. That can help me get on the debate stage. Thank you. We will see their next wednesday night. Governor, thank you for your time tonight. Thank you. Great to be with you. The January 6th Committee laid out essentially what appears to be a roadmap for prosecuting trump, now theres another Election Interference Indictment in georgia were gonna speak to a former member of that congressional committee, congressman adam schiff, how he sees this fourth indictment against trump, next. Your record label is taking off. But so is your sound engineer. You need to hire. I need indeed. Indeed you do. Indeed instant match instantly delivers quality candidates matching your job description. Visit indeed. Com hire House Republicans jumping to Donald Trumps defense in the latest indictment hes facing, saying the new charges against him, they believe, are politically motivated. House speaker Kevin Mccarthy says President Biden has weaponized the government, he claims, against trump, and District Attorney fani willis, who led those charges you saw last night, is following his lead. Joining me now is democratic congressman adam schiff, a former member of the january 6th house select committee. Also running for senate in california. Congressman, thanks for being here tonight. This is now the fourth time that trump has been indicted. I know we hear from democrats obviously every time that those indictments have come down. But do you think voters have already made up their minds . Are they desensitized to these indictments come . I think that there are still a great Many Americans who are going to be very interested to watch these trials. And im particularly grateful that in georgia, that trial is likely to be televised. Ive been urging the judicial conference to write a letter to that conference with dozens of my colleagues, urging that the federal proceedings be televised, because i think its gonna be enormously important that those people who have an open mind get to watch, that its not filtered in one way or another. So, i applaud the hard work of the grand jury in Fulton County, the willingness to go for it. And im glad the American People are going to get to watch at least one of these trials. And im particularly also struck by halso how much the georgia indictment tracks the work of the January 6th Committee, particular, the hearing that i lead. And i think its very similar to the federal January 6th Indictment in tracking the work of our committee. First on the cameras, you did sign that letter asking, you know, the judge for the January 6th Indictment to allow cameras to be in the room. Obviously, in georgia its different than in a Federal Courtroom. I mean, how much more of an impact you think that will have . And you think that will change voters minds on this . You know, i think there are two important impacts. The first is in the federal system, and it may very well be the same in Fulton County, the president s lawyers can go out on the courthouse steps every day after the proceedings and misrepresent what took place inside. Prosecutors on the other hand do theyre speaking in court. So, there would be a very strong Asymmetric Disadvantage for the prosecutors if the proceedings are not televised. But more than, that this is a historic set of cases. And the country should be able to watch and form their own opinion of the credibility of the witnesses, of the strength of the evidence. If they only see this black box in which a verdict emerges in One Direction or the other, it will be hard for them to have confidence in what took place inside. So, i think its equally important, maybe more import in the federal case, but it would require a great departure from the usual rules. Yeah, it seems very unlikely there. Your hearings were televise. They showcase the role that mark meadows played in those efforts by trump to stay in power. I mean, what did you make of looking at these 98page indictment, seeing his name on the first page as a codefendant . Well, the absence of his name or the suggestion of his name as an unindicted coconspirator, potentially in the federal, degraded a lot profound questions about whether hes cooperating. Those questions still continue. But certainly, if you want to lay out all the participants, all the facts in the way that is Fulton County indictment does, all 95 pages of it, and then hes going to be included, because he was very much a participant in what theyve charged as a racketeering enterprise. And one of the things that also struck me is how well these facts fit that georgia statute, which is normally for Organized Crime. But here you had kind of A Sprawling Organized Criminal Effort to overturn the election. And tying in all of these elements, showing how they fit together, showing how some work independently but nonetheless were part of the overall scheme to interfere with the peaceful transfer of power make that georgia indictment pretty powerful. Given the fact that mark meadows is not named in the federal indictment, there are questions in trumps orbit by pretty much everyone who covers this about whether or not hes cooperating. Of course, we cant say for sure. But if he is, and jack smith is relying on him, that could cause some complications here. Do you believe that the state should have deferred to the federal prosecution, given the federal indictment was already issued . You know, i was listening to your discussion with governor hutchinson, and i certainly agree that in general local prosecutors will often defer to federal prosecutors, sometimes because the federal government has more resources to bear, sometimes because the penalties are stiffer. But here, i have to say, georgia was fully within its rights to move forward, because the federal government took so long, in many respects, not only with the Congress Ahead of the Justice Department in its investigation for a long time, but so is georgia. And now, its true the feds ultimately sought the indictment first. But having put all that effort in, i can see why georgia prosecutors want to bring it before the grand jury. There is serious violations of georgia law. Its still maybe though that georgia ultimately says, hey, Special Counsel, you go first. We dont want to have any conflict, you know, in terms of scheduling witnesses, testimony, et cetera. I still would not be surprised if thats the case, provided that the federal judge keeps that case on track. Well, fani willis said last night she is seeking a trial within six months. But she also would not answer one of my colleagues who asked if she had been coordinating with jack smith. When you look at all the indictments facing trump, which one do you think should go first, and how soon . Well, you know, i think if it was preceded most logically, you have the federal January 6th Indictment will first. Its the most serious set of charges for. And i think the federal government has greater resources to bring that case to trial. So, i would favor that. And you know, i think that theres also a question about the timing for the maralago prosecution. That doesnt pose the same conflict with georgia in terms of witnesses, timing. But i expect that none of these cases are going to go at all simultaneously. The judges in the various jurisdictions are going to be mindful that the attorneys for the president need to be able to focus and prepare on discreet cases. But it will be worked out. But, you know, if it were proceeding i think in the most logical way i think the federal government before with the january 6th charges, the most serious to date. 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President biden says he and the first lady plan to visit maui, quote, as soon as they can, as Officials Say the death toll there is going to potentially double in the next ten days. Right now tonight, it stands at 99 people who have lost their lives. Hawaii is launching a formal review of its emergency response, after the siren system, which i should note is the largest in the world, was silent as the fires spread. Several firefighters also told the New York Times that Fire Hydrants ran dry as they were trying to use them. And tonight, the states main electric provider is also facing a new lawsuit, alleging that its power lines caused the fires. Joining me now to discuss is Hawaii Governor josh green. Governor, thank you for being here tonight. I know that you have been working on this, you have some news for us today. What is the latest on the ground in hawaii . Well thank you, and thank you for your prayers. Our Fatality Count is at 101 now. Weve completed 27 of the Search And Rescue, as far as territory goes. And we now have 185 Search And Rescue individuals on the ground, plus 20 dogs. So, were going to push through the recovery much more quickly now, hopefully by the end of this weekend, much of it will be done. So, thats one thing. Also, ill be making a major announcement here locally, but i will share with you now also nationally. We will be opening the road. Ive ordered the road to be opened, to connect all of maui again. So that all of our people can begin to recover. I was with my Chief Of Staff, and team yesterday in west maui, and was with the pregnant women, who is seven half months pregnant, beautiful person. And we need to get her care. And so were opening the road, will be open from 6 am every morning, until ten pm for everyone. Beginning tomorrow, with some nuances here. But its a partnership with the mayor enter incident commander. So having that road open will make it more possible to get some peoples lives back intact. Of course, the incident area, the impact area will be off limits, because that has to be protected, and thats what my national guard. Weve also set up 2000 homes for people, between donations and hotel rooms and airbnb, we will be able to house virtually everybody whos impacted. We are already well on our way, with hundreds of people into homes. So, we are beginning to heal, who are also having our hearts broken day by day, as we see the loss of life. I know, opening that road is going to be incredibly welcome news for a lot of people there, who are watching tonight and hearing that update, hoping to get access to where their homes were. But on the update that you just gave us, you said the fatalities have risen from 99 people to now 101. You said 20 some percent of the area has been searched. Obviously, 27 is an improvement of where was but, that still means a lot left to go. What does that mean for the death toll, do you think . Well, a lot of the fatalities occurred on the road, down by the sea. Not the road that were opening up today. And, i think many of the fatalities that we will alternately discover, a High Percentage will be from there. But now that we go into the houses, were not sure what well see. We are hopeful, and praying, that its not large, large numbers. But it was 1000degree heat traveling at 60 miles per hour, and that is probably a segue in some ways to other things you are interested in and concerned about, which is why, for instance, alarms did not ring, or why there wasnt enough time to get people out. But we think that the speed of that fire will have overcome houses. And so, we just simply will know when we get to those places, and thats what ive been sharing with the president and everybody. Were going methodically through this, were going through it safely out of respect and for the dignity of our people here. And i know you spoke to President Biden, and i do have a question about the sirens. But just quickly on what you are talking about there. On the 101 people, one of the most gutwrenching parts of this has been so far, only four people who have died have been able to be identified. That means theres a lot of people with loved ones who are missing, who dont have answers. When do you think youd be able to have more answers for people, who are still searching for their loved ones . Well day by day, it will increase, we have a genetic steam coming in, and we have have extra supports that way. A lot of this, and this is very different than what it was like when i was working the hospital as an e. R. Person. This is a, its difficult, its difficult to recognize individuals. So, if youre lucky in a circumstance like this, you get to see fingerprints. So, its very hard. But thats what we were doing is we are asking all of our loved friends and family in the area who have any concern to go get swabbed at the Family Support center, so that we can match people genetically. This is much like you see in a war zone or what we saw with 9 11. This is, it has similarities to those things. And of course is a totally different circumstances, causes, and reasons for a fire. But thats what you have to do. So over the course of the next several weeks, we will be able to confirm who passed away, but its going to be very difficult knowing. Yeah, and you said it could take weeks. And just to hear that comparison to 9 11, i know its such an unimaginable situation. And you did mention the sirens, i mean weve heard from residents who say they didnt feel like they got enough time to evacuate, in part because they didnt hear sirens going off. You told wolf, my colleague wolf, that those sirens were immobilized. What does that mean . Well, a couple things. So, just for historical perspective, the sirens were typically used for tsunamis or hurricanes. So my knowledge at, least i never experienced them in use for fires. There may be some reasons for that, sometimes sirens send people up mountain, and going up the mountain during a fire can be problematic. Going up the mountain when theres a wave is what you have to do. For the sirens some were broken, and we are investigating that that i share with all of you, we are a transparent state. So i have immediately asked my Attorney General to do a full review of everything, decisions, policies, policies on water, and then of course the sirens. A lot of people would have, im sure, at least been alerted more quickly. And that is important. Normally we communicate in hawaii by essentially person to person, coconut wireless, they joke, connection, where everybody hears immediately about everything major, if a car accident happens, or a drowning occurs, or a wonderful moment in hawaii. But the cell phones were immobilized. The power lines were down, and we had no service. So theres no communication, and that made it difficult to communicate back to the fire folks, i believe. What happened was the fire had been going on earlier in the, day, into the late afternoon, . And then was put out. And then, and i spoke to individuals yesterday in west when i was there visiting with survivors, they said the fire then began again after the firefighters had vetoed by other fires. And had that firemen put out again at that moment, we would not have had the tragedy. But they were fighting other fires, by that point. So, the truth is it was just a very difficult situation. And the winds sent that Fire Spiraling through the town. A lot of questions, i know that you also want answers to. Governor josh greene, i know you got a Press Conference coming. We are thinking of your state right now, thank you for providing us with an update, not only on the numbers here and were looking at. 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