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Him. Also Rudy Giulianis slide from americas mayor to unindicted Co Conspirator with steps along the way. For the first time in two years simone biles, the most decorated gymnast of all time is getting back on the floor, bob costas joins us to talk about the abuse she and others suffered, and how shes coming back. Good evening, im pamela brown here for anderson on this friday night. And we begin with the former president , expected to speak shortly in alabama. Already today he has posted a threat on his social network, which doesnt bear showing, but reads in all caps, quote, if you go after me im coming after you, exclamation point. Earlier today the court filing he pleaded not guilty to the additional charges Special Counsel jack smith recently tacked onto the documents case, and in case youre keeping track thats twice in two days, and four times since april. As for yesterdays electionrelated charges, there is new polling out today showing nearly twothirds of americans believe those charges are either somewhat or very serious. Yet, somehow, some of the very people who would directly benefit from his downfall, his republican opponents, again today rushing to defend him. South carolina senator tim scott accused the Justice Department of weaponizing their power against donald trump. Florida governor ron desantis, who mr. Trump has viciously mocked, even their power against donald trump. Florida governor ron desantis, who mr. Trump has viciously mocked, even suggested he should be pardoned. Ive said for man behind you. Cnns Kristen Holmes starts us off tonight from montgomery, alabama where the president will speak shortly. What do we know about the president s State Of Mind heading into his speech tonight. Reporter this is exactly where he wants to be, in front of a crowd of adoring fans, there are thousands of people here, were in the Southern State of alabama. And just to give you an idea who is here, we just heard from the producers of 2,000 mules, the movie this perpetuated the Conspiracy Theories around the 2020 election and alleged widespread Election Fraud. So thats the kind of group of people hell be speaking in front of tonight. Now, i am told that he is going to rail against jack smith, that hes going to say that his first day in office hes going to appoint his own Special Prosecutor to continue the investigation into bidens family, that congress has already started, as well as that hes going to say that they waited, they being liberals, of course as we know hes making these legal charges political, until his poll numbers were higher, and thats why they brought the charges at this time. The biggest argument that were going to hear from trump and his team is going to be this election interference. When i talked to a lot of his advisers they really believe as the Campaign Ramps up that theyre going to have footing with this argument particularly if he remains the front runner. Theyre looking at that polling that shows that he is still leading, especially in headtohead match yawp with ron desantis, they believe theres an argument to be made there that this is political. But, of course, they want to play this out in the court of public opinion. They want to convince voters, not necessarily talking here about their legal strategy, pamela. And have the former president east aides said anything about the schedule . How do they plan to build his Campaign Schedule around three looming trials, one state, and two federal . Reporter well, i think thats the big question here because its going to become harder and harder to balance. We are looking at just a few weeks before the first gop primary debate, and trumps team is expecting, and bracing for a potential other indictment in fulton county, georgia. Youre looking at becoming a back and forth, back and forth. Almost like we were seeing now. In court yesterday, today campaign event, Tomorrow C Campaign event. Thats why they believe this could potentially help them delay some of these trials by saying this is actually interfering with us being able to campaign and, in fact, when they believe he might be arraigned for this last indictment on friday and they had a campaign event, they were looking at ways to spin that, to talk about how that he was going to be arraigned on the same day that he had a campaign event, and what that would mean. Of course, ha didnt end up happening. He was arraigned on a thursday, but it gives you insight how theyre looking on fighting this, at least, again, to the public, to the voters. Yeah, how theyre looking to reframe it, as in their benefit, giving the voters, their voters, the base, what they want to hear. Kristen holmes, thanks so much. And joining us now, two former Republican House members, mia love, and joe walsh, and special adviser van jones, great to see all of you on this friday night. Theres new abc polling that shows that 65 of americans believe the charges in this latest indictment are serious, thats higher than in the classified documents and hush money cases. However, according to a cnn poll, among registered voters who say they cast a ballot for trump in 2020, 75 say they have doubts about bidens legitimacy as president. How do you reconcile those two numbers . Pamela, i think its easy. And maybe my Vantage Point is skewed because i hear from Republican Base voters every day. And look, i think theres credible evidence that donald trump committed crimes to overturn the election. But republican voters, pamela, dont see it that way. They really do truly believe, and this is what i hear every day, that the government, the deep state is after him. Trump is a martyr. Hes a victim. That is such a powerful narrative with republican voters, and i dont think its a narrative that any of his republican competitors can overcome, and i think hell be fairly formidable in a general election, and that scares me. And his opponents, many of them, are kind of going along with this idea of deep state, government being weaponized. Doj having two tracks, one for the former president , one for hunter biden. Theyre not even going after donald trump at this latest indictment. Some are, many arent. Congresswoman love i want to go to you to play sound with Speaker Mccarthy, what he said last night comparing former president trumps election lies and how Hillary Clinton and al gore dealt with their election lies. I could say the same thing that Hillary Clinton says about her election that she lost. I can say the same thing about the dnc who said it about the 2016 race. I can say the same thing about those in the Democratic Party from the leadership on down about george bush not winning, that al gore did. But were any of them prosecuted . Were any of them put in jail . When Hillary Clinton said it, Nothing Happened to her. When they said it in georgias election, Nothing Happened to them either. You know what, when the dnc said it, Nothing Happened to them either. Adam kinzinger told Anderson Last Night that he believed Speaker Mccarthy, he knows the comparison is false and hes starting to get visibly mad having to publicly carry water for the former president. You know the speaker. Do you think thats whats going on here . He sounded a little kpas p exasperated like he wanted to talk about Something Else. Kevin would rather talk about policy, what we are doing to put americans lives ahead of politics. And you have to appreciate the position that hes in. I mean, hes looking at the polls, and yes, some of this indictment is starting to hurt the former president a little bit. But, it looks like he may be the republican nominee, and he still has to work with former president donald trump. And as you all know, and ive said this before, if you are not 100 in lockstep with the former president , if you arent 100 loyal with every single decision that he makes, then he doesnt then he considers you a traitor. Hes being careful not to get on the other side of somebody he is most likely going to have to work with again, very closely. Van, do you agree with that assessment . Well, thats what it looks like. You know, its interesting, you know, hearing Kevin Mccarthy talk about the fact its true, people have criticized Election Results and, you know, criticized democrats have done that and nothings happened to them. Also, republicans criticized barack obama, said he didnt have the right birth certificate, and they also were not prosecuted. Nobodys been prosecuted on either side, criticizing Election Results except for donald trump, in either party, because nobody has done what he did, which is to go Above And Beyond criticism, and to actually conspire criminally to overturn the election. And so, you know, Kevin Mccarthy knows better than to make these kind of false comparisons. It is true. Democrats criticized Election Results. Republicans criticized Election Results, its old as american pie, but nobody did what donald trump did, thats why hes the only one being prosecuted. What do you think, joe. Well, i think van is spot on, and this is such an important point. Donald trump was not indicted because of what he said. He was indicted because of what he did. And with all due respect to my friend mia love, i dont appreciate at all the position mccarthys in. Mccarthy is a coward. He sold his soul to become speaker so he will say whatever Marjorie Taylor greene and the base wants to say. I think america look, this is so clear by now. America needs to wrap their arms around the fact that my former Political Party is a cult, the leader of that cult is a criminal, and the party will not abandon him. Weve got to accept that. Im wondering what you i take some issue to calling the Republican Party a cult. Thats not going to bring us all together, i can tell you that right now. Republicans dont appreciate that. There are some republicans that have gone against donald trump. And those people want to be brought in too, they want to be appreciated, and they want to be noticed for the fact that they want to talk about policies that help americans, that help with the Inflation Problem that weve been dealing with, putting food on the table. Those republicans need to be heard, and they need to have someone validate their concerns. Let me ask you, though, to follow up on your point, congressman love, the ones who have done that that are currently running for president , i think of asa hutchinson, and even mike pence and his statement after this indictment, will hurd, not doing so well in the polls compared to trump, and compared to ron desantis. If you look at my race, trump was a big factor in my race, and it didnt turn out well. I had to answer for every single thing that donald trump did, and other candidates today are going to have to answer for every single thing that he did, and has done. And youre right, van, i wanted to say that the big the big difference here, with the indictment, is january 6th, and what happened to january 6th and what happened on january 6th. Thats the big difference. And we have to make sure we that thats clear. Republicans, candidates are going to have to answer this question. Theyre going to have to theyre going to have to answer the question of whether they believe donald trump should be indicted, every single ones going to have to answer that, and thats not right. We really should be talking about issues that matter. What about things like small issues like cancer, and eradicating cancer, supporting President Biden when he says he wants to get rid of that. Thats something that republicans and democrats can actually hold hands on, and america would applaud them for it. Why cant we come together on important issues that touch every single americans lives . Mia love, joe walsh, van jones, thank you for that discussion. Up next, ben ginsberg on the Trump Charges and the comparisons Kevin Mccarthy made, well dig deeper into that. Also later, what and who were behind the utter chaos today in new yorks union square. 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Were any of them put in jail . Were any of them held with no response to beli able to get ou . The answer is no. You shouldnt be prosecuted for your thoughts. The difference here is, when Hillary Clinton said it, Nothing Happened to her. When they said it in georgias election, Nothing Happened to them either. For starters, break this down. No one that he mentioned at any time in any race instigated a violent mob to attack the seat of government, nor did anyone else invite said mob to washington, with the words big protests in d. C. On january 6th, be there, well be wild, nor has anyone else ever entered into a conspiracy to overturn an election as is alleged in this indictment. Bottom line what the former president did, lawful or not, cannot in good faith be compared to what any president ial candidate of any party in any race has ever done. So when it comes to deeds, again, lawful or not, that is not for us to decide, there is no comparison. As for words, heres what Hillary Clinton and al gore said at the end of their campaigns. He, after a bruising but peacefully court battle. And she, just hours after the election. Last night i congratulated donald trump and offered to work with him on behalf of our country. I hope that he will be a successful president for all americans. This is not the outcome we wanted, or we worked so hard for, and im sorry that we did not win this election for the values we share and the vision we hold for our country. Our constitutional democracy enshrines the peaceful transfer of power, and we dont just respect that, we cherish it. Now, the u. S. Supreme court has spoken. Let there be no doubt, while i strongly disagree with the courts decision, i accept it. I accept the finality of this outcome, which will be ratified next monday in the electoral college. And tonight, for the sake of our unity as a people and the strength of our democracy, i offer my concession. Their words, in defeat, and now heres just one sample of the many things donald trump said after he lost, after being told he lost, and having been defeated by then, in dozens of court cases. S look, all i want to do is this, i just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have, because we won the state. The former president , january 2nd, 2021, talking to Georgia Election officials after being told point by point that, no, he did not win the state. And joining us now, republican election lawyer Benjamin Ginsberg who played a key role for the Bush Campaign in that 2000 florida recount. Good to see you, mr. Ginsberg, what goes through your mind when you hear Speaker Mccarthy equating what donald trump did in the aftermath of the 2016 clinton and 2000 gore campaigns . On a human level i could appreciate why i got angry there, because hes got such a weak argument, and hes conflating the basic principles that you talked about. Any candidate has the right to contest elections. There are laws for that. But the deal is that when you go to court, and after the recounts are decided, then you have to accept that, and what donald trump is being indicted for is his actions afterwards. They are not his words. They were, as you said, what happened at the capitol, what happened with the fake electors, what happened with going to State Officials, essentially trying to take away the vote of the people. You heard mia love earlier in the discussion say the thing that separates donald trump from the others is january 6th, what happened there, the insurrection at the capitol. But im curious,f that hadnt have happened, do you still think that this indictment against donald trump would have moved forward, that theres enough evidence against him . Well, i think that theres an awful lot of evidence in the indictment itself, that points to really things that happened on the state level, and in congress, in trying to stop the vote beyond the rioting. But i think that the what happened on january 6th, in the capitol, is a singular occurrence in american history, and probably without that this would have been handled in a different way. Are you surprised, then, that the former president wasnt charged with incitement . Well, i think, first of all, this is an initial indictment, and its not to say that he wont be afterwards. I think incitement is a much different sort of a case to have to prove, and i think after an investigation, which clearly was a thorough investigation, it may be that the incitement would have been sort of a side show to the much more fundamental stopping of the peaceful transfer of power. On january 6th, 2021, the former president george w. Bush released a statement that said the insurrection was, quote, how Election Results are disputed in a banana republic, not our democratic republic, and that the writers whose passions inflamed by false hopes, end quote. Is the Republican Party, the party of bush and reguagan, do they have a place in the party or is it wholly the party of trump . You cant look at this in just this moment. Theres going to be a really important referendum in november of 2024. And between this trial and donald trump potentially the head of the ticket, what happens down ballot is really going to answer your question. In other words, if donald trump brings down to defeat a lot of republican candidates, lose the majority in the senate, lose the majority in the house, lose some governorships, then that is a pretty clear mandate for the party to change, to go back to its basic principles that started with ronald reagan, and it sort of then completely lost in the trumpian years. But overall, the future of the Republican Party hinges on what happens with donald trump right now. And so, this trial, combined with the election, is going to be sort of a confluence of events that is going to answer your question about who the leaders of the Republican Party are in the future. I want to talk about the defenses weve heard so far, two of the likely defenses the trump team will attempt to argue, continue to argue, perhaps argue during a trial, that, first of all, he was just exercising his right to free speech, and that even though his own Attorney General and white house lawyers told him he lost the election, he was just relying on advice of indictment, there are these om unincted coconspirators, five of whom have been identified by cnn, and they are all attorneys. So, you know, isnt his attorney going to argue, look, he was listening to attorneys . Well, im sure theyre going to answer theyre going to argue whatever they can possibly argue, and that will be one of them. But the point is broader than that, because no matter what his attorneys were telling him, there were the verdicts of the courts. And we know from january 6th Committee Testimony that there were other lawyers who were telling him he had flat out lost. So, whats really interesting about the unindicted coconspirators, plus mark meadows, is what the conversations really were right before january 6th, and really right after january 6th, plus you have to think that the Special Counsel has gone in and talked to the navy steward who was pouring him cokes and bri bringing him hershey bars on january 6th. What was he saying, what was going through his mind. What were his phone calls, what were the instructions that went out . And thats true for the discussions about the election, and how things got put in motion, and what the ultimate results will be. But, there was certainly ample evidence that a Special Counsel can counter with, that donald trump knew, had to have known that, in fact, he lost the election. Yeah, and you heard his former Attorney General bill barr tell our Kaitlan Collins the other night that he knew he lost the election. Ben ginsberg, thank you, we are going to continue this conversation. Just ahead, with one of the many questions about this indictment, how did Rudy Giuliani going from being a mob fighter and a man known as americas mayor to someone now identified as coconspirator . One, in the Special Counsels case against the former president. So researchers can help life underwater flourish. Hey bud. Wow. Whats all this . Hawaii was too expensive so i brought it here. You know with priceline you could actually take that trip for less than all this. I made a horrible mistake. Go to your happy price priceline but his vision dimmed with age. He had amd. 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This weeks federal indictment against the former president says he began what from the fors call his Quote Criminal Scheme to overturn the 2020 election the day after his Campaign Attorneys conceded and lost the vote count in arizona. On that day, the indictment says trump turned to someone listed only as conspirator one, this person would spearhead the results to challenge the election. This is Rudy Giuliani, a onetime political star whose reputation has fallen far for the man once known as americas mayor. Randi kaye has more on the rise and fall of Rudy Giuliani. What happened to theres no black america, theres no white america, there is just america . What happened to it . Reporter Rudy Giuliani, at the 2016 Republican National convention. This was not the kid from brooklyn that america had come to know. Giuliani had earned a reputation for being tough on a crime as a young assistant u. S. Attorney. At 39 he was appointed u. S. Attorney for the Southern District of new york, Zeroing In On Organized Crime and white collar criminals. I am giuliani. Reporter after becoming mayor of new york city in 1993 giuliani took credit for making manhattan safe. Then came 9 11. Giuliani was the picture of strength, with some calling him americas mayor. The citys going to survive, were going to get through it. Reporter and Time Magazine named him person of the year. Giuliani failed in his own 2008 president ial bid. Today im officially anouning my withdrawal as a candidate for president of the United States. Reporter wu in 2016 he was back on the Campaign Trail as a surrogate for donald trump. He will be the leader of the change we need. Reporter soon, giuliani became a regular on cable news. Shut up, moron, shut up, shut up, you dont know what youre talking about. Bill clinton asked me, whats this guy romney like, you know what i told him, hes our al gore. All right, rudy, hold that thought. Reporter Giuliani Began Peddling Outlandish Conspiracy Theories, he insisted that Hillary Clinton had some mis te tears illness. Hillary clinton illness, take a look at videos yourself. Reporter his behavior prompted this politico headline, is Rudy Giuliani losing his mind . Things only got more strange from there. Here you go, my dear. Reporter in october 2020 he made a bizarre cameo in sasha barren cohens second borat movie, giuliani in a hotel room outfitted with hidden cameras. On twitter he defended himself calling The Hidden Camera video a complete fabrication. After trump lost the 2020 election, giuliani claimed trump won, and pushed false claims about voter fraud. It all reached a Bizarre Kre Zen Doe at this now imif a mouse, flanked by trumps team, and four seasons total landscaping outside philadelphia giuliani didnt offer any proof the election had been stolen as he promised. There are dead people voting. No question about it. Reporter in a later News Conference sweating and with hair dye running down his face giuliani still offered no evidence of voter fraud, and instead made a random reference to a popular movie. Did you all watch my cousin vinny . You know the movie . One of my favorite law movies. Reporter just as giuliani railed against nonexistent Election Fraud he learned the race had been officially called for joe biden. Oh, my goodness, all the networks, wow. All the networks. We have to forget about the law. Reporter after trumps election loss giuliani faded a bit from the spotlight, aside from hawking cigars and gold coins. Give them a call, and tell them rudy sent you. Reporter but Essespecial Col jack smith hadnt forgotten about him and his closeness to the former mayor. Smiths team has interviewed him, in the investigation into overturn the 2020 election, and hes into election interference. Giuliani is also being sued by both Dominion Voting Systems and smartmatic for defamation over his Election Fraud claims and his law license has been suspended in both d. C. And new york. Americas mayor, it seems, has a lot of explaining tod do. I dont know about it, i didnt hear it. And pamela, we know that Rudy Giuliani is coconspirator one as listed in the indictment. Heres a few things the indictment accuses him of doing, bullying State Officials in four different states, pushing for the slates of fake electors, also falsely claiming to some officials that thousands of dead people voted, which we know wasnt true, calling to ask lawmakers after the attack on the capitol to delay the Vote Certification and falsely claiming the Vice President mike pence at the time did have the power to overturn the election. Again, we know thats not true. Its also worth noting that Rudy Giuliani has not been charged with anything yet when it comes to january 6th, but of course Special Counsel jack smith says this investigation is still ongoing, pamela. All right, randi kaye, thanks so much. Just ahead for you on this friday nights. We have an update on the search for a suspect in the murder of a professional Dancer Training for broadway who was killed at a Brooklyn Gas Station last weekend. Police are investigating it as a hate crime. And our Jason Carroll is at a vigil for the 28yearold with that new information. Interest. I felt trapped. Debt debt debt debt so i broke up with my credit card debtt and consolidated it into a low rate personal loan from sofi. I finally feel like a grownup. Break up with bad credit card debt. Get a personal loan with low fixed rates and borrow up to 100k. Go to sofi. Com to view your rate. Sofi get your money right. I have Type 2 Diabetes, but i manage it well. Its a little pill with a big story to tell. 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Fast. Reliable. Perfectly orchestrated. The United States postal service. An outpouring of support and grief tonight in new york following the murder of a young man at a Brooklyn Gas Station last weekend. He was a 28yearold professional dancer, who according to the new york times, was preparing to audition for the lion king. It was one of his favorite broadway musicals, but simply was stabbed in the torso after a confrontation with a group of males who according to one of sibleys friends were shouting gay slurs. New information in the case, and cnns Jason Carroll joins us from that gas station where a vigil was held tonight. Jason . Reporter well, pamela, i can tell you that the suspect in this case, 17 years old, he turned himself in, along with his attorney, to police earlier today. Those who gathered out here at the very same gas station where sibley was stabbed for a demonstration for a memorial say that that suspect should be charged with a hate crime. They gathered here at this gas station in brooklyn to memorialize and to take a stand against hate. We stand here today, tomorrow, and well continue to, until black, queer, trans, nonbinary lives are respected and its not a debate. We shouldnt have to debate our existence. Reporter this is where a 28yearold professional dancer was stabbed to death last saturday night. The trouble started when a group of young men shouted antigay slurs at sibley and his friends, they were dancing to a beyonce song. One witness at the gas station described what he saw. The guy came from inside the store, he left, and he saw them down here, and hes like, why are you dancing . Hes like, im muslim, stop dancing. So thats where the fight all started. Reporter Surveillance Video showed at one point sibley appeared to walk away. The situation escalated, and Police Say One of the men Stabbed Sibley in the chest. His death has sparked outrage across social media. Beyonce paid tribute and posted rest in power, oshae sibely on her website. Iquell shahid has been friends and colleagues with sibley more than a decade. Unfortunately someone with bigotry and hatred still took his life and my heart broke and its still breaking. Reporter sibley was a member of the modern Dance Company aley extension, he performed at Lincoln Center and got his start dancing as a teenager in philadelphia. He stayed in touch with his dance instructor, who he lovingly called aunt joan. I just couldnt believe it happened for the reason that it happened, because here we are in america, i said being black in america, is being black in america, but this is for other reasons, you know, his sexuality. The fact that he was just dancing, pumping gas and dancing. Reporter sibleys death has drawn attention to the number of hate crimes directed at gay and trans people, especially those of color. According to the latest fbi statistics available there was a 70 increase in hate crimes against lgbtq people in the u. S. From 2020 to 2021. No surprise to Community Leaders who helped organize fridays demonstration. When i tell my young people that they need to be safe when they leave the center, when i tell my young people they need to be safe going downtown, thats an everyday reality to us. These moments show us that theres still so much work to do. Reporter those Who New Sibley will remember his love of dance and his loving personality. He was loving because he was always giving love to get love. Reporter pamela, one of the things that we kept hearing over and over tonight, bogging not a crime, they shouted dancing is not a crime, they say that sibleys death is another example of how gay and trans people in this country continue to be targets of hate. Pamela . Jason carroll, thank you for that. And up next, sportscaster bob costas on simone biles return to championship gymnastics. 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Two years ago, the most decorated gym mnast of all time stepped away from the sport to see to her Mental Health needs, making this video that much more welcome, seeing her back in Action Practicing for competition in chicago. Her last opportunity to qualify for the u. S. Gymnastics championships later this month. Thats an important step on the way to the 2024 paris games. More now from cnns carolyn manu. I guess i would describe myself as confident. Reporter flying high after five olympic medals in 2016 in rio, and an unprecedented ascension to the stop of the sport. Im always in awe when i watch her. Sometimes i just think shes unhuman just because shes just so amazing. Reporter simone biles life took an unexpected detour, that fall Usa Gymnastics was rocked by revelations of sexual abuse from Longtime Team doctor larry nassar. Biles went public with her own story in 2018, tweeting in a statement which read in part i know this horrific experience does not define me. At the 2021 tokyo games with the world anticipating another superhuman performance biles showed her strength outside of the competition. Suffering from what she describes as the twisties, inexplicably losing her bearings in the air. The girls saw me in training, my coaches saw me in training, i physically couldnt do it safely. I was getting so lost in the air. Reporter the Superstar Gymnast withdrew from five events at the tokyo games, prioritizing her Mental Health, over her medal count. To bring the topic of Mental Health, i think, it should be talked about a lot more, especially with athletes, because i know some of us are going through the same things and were always told to push through it. Reporter after returning home from tokyo an emotional biles testified before the senate yjudiciary committee abot the fbis handling of the sexual abuse case against nassar. To be clear i blame larry i blame an entire system that enabled and perpetrated his abuse. Bile says that shes been in therapy weekly since stepping away. Now shes ready for a comeback. This weekend marks are firstly competition since 2021. She is aware of how influential she continues to be. At the end of the day, we are not just entertainment, we are humans and their things going behind the scenes that are going on with us as well. On top of sports. Gymnastics has helped shape me and the people around. Im really excited about life to come and how i have changed and evolved as a person. Pamela, im told that biles is competing in four events in saturdays Core Hydration event that has been sold out for weeks. Ever since this news broke that she would be coming back to the sport and her return to Elite Competition is also widely viewed as the First Step Towards potential return to the olympic stage. That would be in paris in the summer of 2024. Pamela . All right, thank you so much. Joining us now is a sportscaster and sing contributor, bob costas pit how exciting is this bob . This return of some mobiles . And what will you be watching for this weekend . Its very exciting. She is the best of all time by acclamation. Theres really no dispute. Some athletes establish their position historically cumulatively. Even if she never competed in another olympics. What she did in rio in 2016 at the age of 19. Not just winning the events, but executing maneuvers that other gymnasts could not even try let alone do half as well. She was by acclamation the best ever. Now when we talk about the twisties as carolyn mentioned a athere are a number of overlapping aspects. In that also connects to Mental Health. There is the abuse from larry nasser. There is all the pressure put upon her as the face with all due respect to katie the ducky and others. Expected to be the american face of the Tokyo Olympics and those expectations and then theres the mindbody disconnect that may or may not be affected by mental stress. But it stands to reason that it does. At least to some extent that it played a role. And its just too dangerous when you have that disconnect. You could sustain significant bodily injuries. To all those things came into play at once in tokyo. Now the best to ever do it assuming she can qualify for the lubik team and there is Something Else here pamela. Nothing against tokyo as a site for olympics aabut we know it was in the midst of covid and there were no spectators in the stands. That also applied in large part to beijing, but we were also given misgivings about the ioc going back to beijing for second time and all the human rights implications. So a lot of the joy that surrounded the olympics was not there. Now there is a chance for the olympics to get the mojo back. Paris aawhat a wonderful setting. And an american audience will look forward to this more than the last few olympics and among the reasons will be that some mobiles is possibly back on that olympic stage. Yes, she creates so much of the anticipation, right . And as we know bob aasince the Tokyo Olympics, shes gotten married. Shes barely building a life with her husband. What are the benefits aabut what are the challenges for a dominant athlete like some mobiles taken that kind of break from competition . Well aaeverybodys individual circumstance is different. I think she needed that time away. Its pretty clear that i have not been in touch with simone for a while, but i knew her pretty well since i hosted the olympics in 2016 and kept track of her leading up to that. Subsequently we were at events like that together. Shes a very bright young woman. It should be said that this is clearly the last go round. 27 is an advanced age for a modern olympic gymnast. Katie led jackie athats the other most famous olympian will be 27 next year as well. But that is not such an advanced age for a swimmer. Simone was 19 when she did in rio pitch will be 27 as soon as she gets to paris and we will see what shes capable of doing. But its pretty clear that she needed the time off. Just to get herself together in every respect. And then prime herself for what may happen a year from now in paris. Yes, she just had so much courage and to be as open as she was to take the time that she needed, right . And she did receive backlash a asome backlash for her decision in tokyo but also received a lot of praise for putting her safety and Mental Health first. How impactful is her voice amongst this generation of athletes . And beyond . I think its impactful as is michael phelps, who has been very candid about his own struggles with depression or kevin lowe in the nba. Or naomi a socket. The tennis player. There is less stigma attached to it. There are still some people that react with a kind of an oldschool reaction. She aaan athlete never quits. Tough it out i thinink that there is an evolution now in our understanding and empathy for these situations. And its moving forward by those prominent athletes who are willing to acknowledge their own circumstances publicly. Good for them bob costas, thank you and great to see you. Coming up taylor. You too. Coming up, taylor swift and the way kobe bryants young daughter making a little magic on stage. For this moment after this break. [music] a truly touching moment of the telescope concert in los angeles. Shes been giving her had out in the area store. Someone in the crowd while she sings her hit song 22. Last nights lucky fan, the late kobe bryants daughter bianca. [cheering] [music] not only a hat, but a big hug, look at that. She worked along with the biggest smile and videos taken by her mom, vanessa. The sixyearold along with her sisters and mom even got to meet swift after the show. Bit of a full circle moment for all of them. Eight years ago just as kobe surprise the singer when she was on her 1989 20