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Classified documents and State Charges for hush money payments. Hes pleaded not guilty to all charges. But hes also the target of another investigation by the Department Of Justice appointed special counsel looking into his efforts to subvert Election Results in seven states. One of those states is georgia, which President Biden flipped blue for a win in 2020. President trump refused to accept the result and he and his allies engaged in a number of plots to overturn bidens win. Some of these actions were so aggressive they drew the attention of the Fulton County District Attorney, who launched her own criminal probe in 2021. Now, a grand jurys been convened and the former president could face even more indictments in the weeks to come. So what exactly did trump and his allies do in georgia, and what charges might they face . Over the next hour cnns sara murray will lay out the entire investigation and piece together what we know about the pressure campaigns, trumps private calls to Election Officials, a major data breach and the plot to subvert the Electoral College process. Breaking news in to cnn this hour, prosecutors in georgia have opened a criminal investigation. Investigation into former President Trump. Why . Because of his january phone call to the georgia Secretary Of State. Focus on the former president s attempts to influence the administration of the 2020 georgia general election. Donald trump got beat by joe biden. Handily. Theres no way we lost georgia. That was a rigged election. He went on a warpath like a scolded child to do anything he possibly could to overturn that election. They defrauded us out of a win in georgia. And were not going to forget it. I underestimated his willingness to push the envelope as far as he did, to just boldfaced lie again and again and again. Three months after the election the District Attorney in Fulton County, georgia, fani willis, officially opened an Investigation Into former president Donald Trumps efforts to overturn the states president ial Election Results. This is a criminal investigation. Were not here playing a game. I plan to use the power of the law because i sit here in this jurisdiction its my responsibility. Fani willis is known as a prosecutors prosecutor. Shes known as a tough cookie whos a really preparer. As she likes to say, i dont like to try things skinny. I dont like to be in a courtroom unprepared. Reporter its in that vein that willis requested a Special Purpose Grand Jury to assist in her investigation. Special purpose grand juries are very, very, very rare in georgia. Reporter robert james is one of the few District Attorneys who has overseen a Special Purpose Grand Jury in georgia. Their own powers are much broader than a regular grand jurys. Reporter while a Special Purpose Grand Jury doesnt issue indictments, it can be a useful tool for a prosecutor. The d. A. Wanted it because she wanted to use the powers to subpoena people, to get evidence, documented evidence that she wouldnt otherwise have access to. Allegations that she was investigating. Reporter a Special Purpose Grand Jury was impaneled in may 2022. And after nearly seven months and 75 witnesses they authored a report in December 2022 recommending indictments. The Sprawling Case has involved some of the biggest names in the trump orbit, as well as some local and statelevel politicians, many of which you may have never even heard of. And this entire investigation stems back to a single phone call. Okay. All right. So mr. President , everybody is on the line, and just so this is mark meadows, the chief of staff, just so we all are aware. To this day trump says he did nothing wrong. Nobody found anything wrong with that perfect call. It all started on fani williss first full day in the office after she was sworn in as Fulton Countys first female District Attorney. So help me god. Morning of january 4th she walks in and sets her stuff on her desk and immediately takes note of the story thats dominating cable News Coverage that day. Major Breaking News this hour. Inside a stunning new pressure campaign. The president heard pressuring georgias Secretary Of State to overturn his defeat there. Theyre all Airing Snippets of this extraordinary leaked Phone Conversation between then President Donald Trump and Brad Raffensperger. Reporter Brad Raffensperger is the Secretary Of State in georgia and one of the few republicans who publicly stood up against trumps Conspiracy Theories and claims of Election Fraud after losing the 2020 president ial election. Okay, thank you very much. Hello, brad and ryan and everybody. We appreciate the time and the call. Reporter trump was joined by a number of advisers, including chief of staff mark meadows and conservative attorney coletta mitchell. If we could just go over some of the numbers, i think its pretty clear that we won. We won very substantially georgia. Reporter at the time of the election Gabriel Sterling was the Voting Systems implementation manager. When did you learn that that call was taking place . About 60 seconds before the call took place. And what was your thought when you lyou learned he was abo p hon on the phone with the president at the time . I was kind of irritated i wasnt on the call. And then i heard the call the next day. And i was like im so thankful i was not on that call. It was an hour of which 55 minutes the president spoke. And it was the greatest hits of all the stuff wed been debunking for two months. Giving oxygen to this continued disinformation is leading to a continuing erosion of peoples belief in our elections. Reporter trump appeared to threaten the Secretary Of State. You know what they did and youre not reporting it. Thats you know, thats a criminal thats a criminal offense. And you know, you cant let that happen. Thats a big risk to you and reporter and then theres this. I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have, because we won the state. Reporter 11,780. The exact number of votes trump needed to win georgia. How are you taking this in . Well, i realized there werent the votes to find. We had checked out all the allegations. So we knew that we had the right results. Reporter raffensperger refused to budge. Well, mr. President , the challenge that you have is the data you have is wrong. Reporter by this Point Raffensperger had overseen three separate ballot counts, conducted many other reviews of the process, and investigated more than 250 claims of voter fraud. The fact remained, trump had lost the state of georgia. All i knew is we had to lean into the law and into the facts. And we had both on our side. Reporter raffensperger also received a call from republican senator lindsey graham. The Secretary Of State left the call believing graham implied he should try to throw out ballots. Graham denies that claim. Well, he asked if the ballots could be matched back to the voters, and i got the sense it implied that then you could throw those out. Reporter then President Donald Trump made phone calls to a handful of elected officials in georgia in the aftermath of the 2020 elections. He called francis watson, who was then an investigator in the Secretary Of States office. The people of georgia are so angry at what happened to me. They know i won. Won by Hundreds Of Thousands of votes. It wasnt close. Whatever you can do, francis, it would be a great thing. Its an important thing for the country. Reporter the former president called attorney general chris carr in December 2020 asking him basically not to get involved as texas was fighting georgias Election Results at the supreme court. Reporter trump also made phone calls to officials requesting a Special Session of the legislature. So georgia legislators could appoint their own electors instead of the ones for biden the voters had selected. He called the former speaker of the Georgia House of representatives. David ralston, a republican. Reporter and the governor. He made at least two phone calls to governor kemp. Reporter both refused to call for a special legislative session. There was a very orchestrated, calculated process going on around us in georgia trying to get us to change our minds and put pressure on us. So far we havent been able to find the people with the courage to do the right thing. Reporter this is trump just hours after Governor Brian Kemp declined his request. Your governor could stop it very easily. If he knew what the hell he was doing. He could stop it very easily. Donald trump was intimately involved in every process around trying to overturn this election. I mean, this was a granular ground game of epic proportion. This was somebody obsessed with overturning that election at all costs. Reporter up next why are you flying down from d. C. On december 3rd to the Georgia State capitol for some nothing Subcommittee Hearing . Dead people, felons reporter Rudy Giuliani hijacks the georgia legislature. Phony ballots. So he lied . Yeah. To help keep you moving. Uniquely designed with carbsteady to help manage blood sugar response. Glucerna, bring on the day. upbeat music awww. Awww. Awww. Nope. Constant Contact delivers the Marketing Tools your Small Business needs to keep up, excel, and grow. Constant contact. Helping the small stand tall. Only at vanguard, youre more than just an investor, youre an owner. Our Financial Planning tools and advice can help you prepare for todays longer retirement. Hi mom. Thats the value of ownership. December 3rd of 2020 began as she expected. The then Georgia Democratic state senator made her way downtown to the capitol for a meeting. It was a Government Oversight Meeting to talk about what happened in the elections and the issues. And it ended up being a pretty straightforward committee hearing. We have not seen anything that would suggest widespread fraud or widespread problems. Here i am thinking okay, great. Weve answered some of these conspiracies. Weve dealt with the issues. It felt like an Adult Committee hearing. So i went to my office. And then i almost immediately get a text. Somebody was like youve got to get over to the capitol. Somethings going on. Called the subcommittee of the judiciary to order. Reporter unbeknownst to joernd her republican colleague, then state senator william ligin, Convened Another Special Committee to look into claims of Election Fraud. These complaints deserve full investigation. And his committee ended up playing host to Rudy Giuliani and many of these Election Deniers related to the Trump Campaign. God bless you ottoo. Never give up. We love you, rudy. Distinguished members of the committee, thank you very much for giving us this hearing. I represent President Trump along with jenna ellis. Reporter Rudy Giuliani wasnt the only surprise appearance. The news media were not the usual characters. People like the epic times, newsmax, oan, all of these various news outlets that had a very particular view in terms of how they were covering the election postnovember. And it was incredibly troubling. Do you remember having any other kind of Committee Proceeding Where All Of A Sudden news mix and oan were there . No. I mean, why are you flying down from d. C. On december 3rd to the Georgia State capitol for some nothing Subcommittee Hearing . What really triggered serious alarm bells is when the tweet went out from the then president. Reporter President Trump fired off this tweet to his millions of followers ahead of the hearing, directing them to one America News Network to watch what would unfold at the georgia capitol. What did that tell you about who the audience was for this production . It wasnt me. It wasnt voters, or just the random person. They were Trump Supporters who needed to be fed this conspiracy and be shown that there was evidence. Reporter as the Lieutenant Governor at the time geoff duncan served as the president of the georgia senate. Those werent official meetings. I didnt sanction those. Those were just something that had the formality of feeling like official meetings. They wanted a Special Session because that added one layer of authenticity to their Conspiracy Theories. Reporter perhaps the most egregious allegations came in the form of a video. The trump Team Presented what they claimed was evidence of fraud from Election Night ballot tabulating at the State Farm Arena in downtown atlanta. It purported to show a number of nefarious moments including sending Election Observers home to secretly count ballots. Four people stay behind and continue counting and tabulating well into the night. Reporter they claimed Election Workers were pulling out suitcases of hidden ballots after others were sent home. Once everyone is gone, coast is clear, they are going to pull ballots out from underneath a table. Reporter and scanning ballots multiple times. How many ballots went through those machines in those two hours when there was no one there to supervise . We believe that could easily be and probably is certainly beyond the margin of victory. The story she told was just chilling in terms of look at what theyre doing. Video doesnt lie. And when you look at what you saw on the video, which to me was a smoking gun the problem was is that the video had been selectively edited. What did you make when you saw what he was showing his video of what happened at State Farm Arena . They found their magical suitcase full of ballots. When im looking at it im like thats a ballot carrier. Those are sealed ballot carriers, which is a normal thing youd have in elections. But they sliced that thing down to this one little narrow thing. They intentionally misled the state senate in order to keep pushing this narrative and try to get the election thrown out. So he lied . Yeah. I mean, they never backed off from it. Reporter the fbi and the Department Of Justice also got involved in chasing the allegation. Both came to the same conclusion as the Secretary Of States office. My opinion then and my opinion now is that the election was not stolen by fraud. Reporter there was no illegal activity by the Election Workers. There has to be an enemy. And in this hearing in particular the villain really was the Election Workers in Fulton County. Theres more than ample evidence to conclude that this election was a sham. Reporter once that video was made public and misrepresented as evidence of fraud, two of the women counting ballots, ruby freeman and her daughter, shay moss, were doxed. Their faces, names, addresses, Phone Numbers shared online. A motley crew emerged Phoning Freeman and showing up at her home. Steven lee, a pastor from suburban chicago, parked outside freemans house until she dialed 911. My names steve lee. Yep. And im a pastor. And im also working with some folks who are trying to help ruby out. Okay. Okay . And also get some truth on whats going on. It would be nice if i could talk to her. I dont talk to nobody. Okay. So you dont want to talk to him . No . Okay. Yeah, im not interested. Itch a pastor. Okay. Yes, maam. Reporter almost three weeks later trevian kutee, a publicist who had previously done work for r. Kelly and kanye west also showed up in georgia. Freeman agreed to talk to kutee at a police precinct. According to Court Documents kutee allegedly pressured freeman. Offering her protection if she would confess to engaging in Election Fraud, even though freeman had done nothing wrong. I cannot say what specifically will take place. I just know that it will disrupt your freedom. Reporter freeman and moss later testified in front of the January 6th Committee about vile racist threats they received. This turned my life upside down. I dont want to go anywhere. I secondguess everything that i do. Its affected my life in a major way. In every way. All because of lies. Reporter giuliani has since conceded as part of a civil lawsuit that he made defamatory statements about the two Election Workers. Nearly every other Georgia Election official who stood up to the lies received similar threats. Down with kemp down with kemp we get texts a personal cell number was doxed, personal emails were doxed. It wasnt just you, it was your family members. Yeah. My wife mostly. And she got she got the more vile, you know, personal kind of stuff. State patrol and heightened security and bombsniffing dogs. There was a website that formed that put a picture of my house and my address and my name and my kids names. You should go to jail, you are judas, youre a traitor, youve committed treason. Reporter the December 3rd Hearing would bring even more chaos to the state in the aftermath of the election when a then littleknown attorney app appeared. What do you remember about John Eastmans presentation that day . I thought it was ridiculous. These significant statutory violations are in my view more than enough he saw it as the duty of the legislature to step in and basically throw out the will of Georgia Voters and for the legislature to convene a Special Session and appoint their own republican alternate electors. I dont think its just your authority to do that but quite frankly i think you have a duty to do that, to protect the integrity of the election here in georgia. He didnt have a clue what he was talking about. Im like, hes wrong. And anybody who can read, and especially somebody who purports to be some kind of constitutional, you know, expert, this is this does not feel like its legit. Reporter the December 3rd Hearing wouldnt be the only appearance by giuliani and other trump allies in the peach state. Giuliani appeared at two other hearings in front of the georgia legislature, in December 2020, where he continued to push the debunked claims of fraud. There are ten ways to demonstrate that this election was stolen, that the votes were phony, that there were a lot of them. Dead people, felons, phony ballots. Reporter and at the last hearing where giuliani appeared on December 30th the Senate Subcommittee that state senator William Ligon chaired released a report with their findings. The first stating, quote, the november 3rd, 2020 election was chaotic and the results cannot be trusted. That basically regurgitated a lot of those Conspiracy Theories and half truths about the vote count in georgia without actually investigating any of those claims. And that report in turn ended up being cited by the Trump Campaign and many others in their pushes to invalidate Election Results elsewhere. So the report comes out. What kind of weight did that carry . It had none. But again, that really wasnt the point. You get all of the legitimacy that all the imprimatur of the Georgia State senate, right . All of it. And they got that close. They got that close. Reporter coming up so you follow him. Reporter a secret meeting at the capitol. Absolutely they were trying to hide something. Thats why farmers new Car Replacement pays to replace it with a new one of the same make and model. Get a whole lot of something with farmers policy perks. Farmers mnemonic hi, im jill and ive lost 56 pounds on golo. Hi, im barry and ive lost 42 pounds. Jill and i are a team. If she tells me to do something, i usually jump on board. Golo was doable, its realistic, and its something we can do the rest of our lives. Introducing the allnew 2024 chevy trax. Helps you stay connected, safe and charged. The allnew chevy trax starting at 21,495. The possibilities are endless. Subways now slicing their meats fresh. Thats why subways proffered by this champ. And this future champ. And if we proffer it, we know youll proffer it too. Hes cocky for a nineteen year old. Stop the steal im driving by the capitol. Because id heard there might be something going on. And as i turn the corner i see this big black i thought it was an suv. It was an armored personnel carrier. And Alex Jones Out of the cupola at the top holding like the dimestore Mussolini Exhorting people like dont let them take this away from you, ah off in the distance. George cheady is a democrat and a Local Georgia Journalist who reports on politics and crime in his blog, the atlanta objective. He covered the far right groups that descended on the georgia capitol for stop the steal rallies after the 2020 election. And this like theyd filled the stairs and theyre talking about taking over the capitol. Then i started to think, all right, what exactly are you going to do . There was a conversation that was happening in rightwing spaces about disrupting the electoral count. So i went to the capitol on December 14th. If you would please complete your ballots. Reporter December 14th was the date that the states electors all across the country would meet to certify their vote. I thought maybe the 3 militia or some other group were going to show up to do something stupid, and i wanted to bear witness. So did you see any of those types when you got to the Georgia State capitol . I didnt. Reporter what chidi did see was a conservative activist who he recognized from his reporting. Hey. Why are you here . He really didnt make eye contact with me and he went into a room in the capitol. Im looking around at who else is seeing this. Like does anybody know whats going on in that room . Reporter room 216 at the Georgia State capitol. Just one floor below where the democratic electors were meeting to certify the georgia vote for president elect biden. So you follow him. I followed him. Did you go into the room . I went into the room and i walked in the door. Hey, whats going on here . What are you doing . Like whats were having a meeting. And there was a womans voice. Im looking around and ive got the thing going. And then she says hes got a camera going. And then another fellow comes and sort of hustles me out. And i said but what is this meeting . And she says its an Education Meeting. So they told you it was an Education Meeting. Yeah. Then they all but frog marched me out of the room. And then they posted somebody out front to make sure nobody else went in. So were you convinced it was an Education Meeting . I was convinced it was exactly what i thought it was. Reporter and what he thought turned out to be right. A group of republican Shadow Electors gathered to sign an illegitimate certification for President Trump. Many of the republicans who served as alternate electors that mid december day were highup figures in the state party. There was state senator burt jones, who is now the Lieutenant Governor. Reporter georgia Lieutenant Governor burt jones was initially a target of the investigation. But the judge presiding over the Special Purpose Grand Jury blocked the District Attorney from investigating him after fani willis hosted a fundraiser for joness then political opponent. Its a what are you thinking moment. The optics are horrific. Reporter all of the other Georgia Republicans who served as Fake Electors were labeled targets in the Fulton County investigation, though some were later granted immunity. At the head of the table was david schafer, who was the current chair of the gop in georgia. Reporter schafer played a key role in organizing georgias fake slate of electors. He helped secure the room they met in, convened them at the capitol, and served as one of the Fake Electors. Afterwards he said he had acted in response to what the Trump Campaign had told him. Because the president s lawsuit contesting the Georgia Election has not been decided or even heard, we held this meeting to preserve his rights. Had we not held the meeting then his lawsuit would effectively be mooted. Reporter shafers attorneys said he broke no laws and was following legal advice when he cast a, quote, contingent ballot for trump. So whats your impression at that point . Is it like David Shafers got to come out and Say Something now because weve caught them . I thought so. I thought thats exactly what it was. What do you make of that narrative now . Ive never been thrown out of, you know, a meeting in a public legislative space. Like thats unheard of. You know, i wasnt being disruptive. They didnt have a good reason to do it. There are no such thing as secret meetings at the state capitol. Like thats just not how things work. So does that explanation hold water to you no. That we werent trying to hide anything . I think they absolutely were trying to hide something. At least at first. Reporter shafers attorney told cnn that his client did not try to keep things secret. But that claim is contradicted by an email the Fake Electors received just 18 hours before they met at the capitol. The email, sent by robert centers, the Trump Campaign elections day operations lead in georgia at the time, asked for, quote, complete secrecy and discretion. He told them to conceal what they were going to do. Reporter the email instructed the Fake Electors to tell Security Guards they were attending a meeting with two then state senators, Brandon Beach and burt jones. According to the author of the letter, he was directed to send it by Trump Campaign lawyers and david shafer. In a process that is probably one of the most public things that the government does, to get an email from somebody saying keep all this secret and under the radar, theres probably no good motive behind it. And i think its good evidence of intent. Reporter centers now regrets his part in the fakt electors scheme. In a deposition to the January 6th Committee he expressed regret for his actions. We were just, you know, kind of useful idiots or rubes at that point. A strong part of me really feels that its just kind of as the road continued and as it was failure, failure, failure that that got formulated as what do we have on the table, lets just do it. Reporter there is evidence of a larger plan orchestrated by a number of operatives in trumps orbit outside of the state of georgia. Much of that laid out from another investigation. The January 6th Committee on capitol hill has really helped fani willis in her criminal investigation here. Reporter according to a final report from the January 6th Committee, the motivation behind creating the slate of Fake Electors in georgia and other states was to create enough chaos to persuade then Vice President mike pence to subvert the constitution and throw out the 2020 Election Results on january 6th. The Fulton County prosecutors zeroed in on John Eastmans part in the plot. They were very interested in his alleged role at the center of coming up with this scheme of appointing these republican electors. Reporter the conservative attorney made various unfounded claims of voter fraud when he pushed the plan to overturn bidens victory to georgia lawmakers. The constitutional power to decide on the method for choosing electors remains exclusively with the state legislatures. Reporter new York Attorney Kenneth Cheseboro was also a focus due to his alleged role coordinating the plan and execution of the Fake Electors. Cheseboro hasnt responded to multiple inquiries from cnn about his actions. His attorney told the New York Times the only Communication Cheseboro had with anyone in georgia regarding the alternate electors was sending ballot forms to david shafer. But emails released by the january 6th Committee Show it was more than just paperwork. There was legal structure to this. There was constitutional structure to this. There was logistics. 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And the idea was once you get a copy of the Voting System then you produce the evidence that there was widespread fraud. Coffee county, seen as a trumpfriendly area, became a target for those looking to access Voting Systems. January 7th, 2021 was the day that they finally were let in the front doors. Reporter and it was all caught on tape. Technicians from the Data Services firm Sullivan Strickler were let into the Elections Office by kathy latham, who at the time was the chairwoman of the Republican Party in Coffee County and who a couple weeks earlier had served as one of the 16 Fake Electors in georgia. Reporter latham initially denied the election equipment had been accessed, until Security Footage proved otherwise. And evidence now shows latham communicated directly with the then elections supervisor in Coffee County about getting access to the office. You see on the Surveillance Video they spend hours inside this restricted room in the Elections Office. Reporter they being scott hall and paul maggio. Hall is an atlantaarea Bail Bondsman who served as a poll watcher and is an ardent trump supporter. Maggio works for Sullivan Strickler, the data firm hired to gain access to the records. In a statement to cnn Sullivan Strickler said the firm was directed by the attorneys who hired them to obtain access to certain data and distribute it to certain individuals and, quote, the firm had no reason to believe these attorneys would ask or direct Sullivan Strickler to do anything either improper or illegal. Ultimately they were able to basically take an entire copy of the Voting System with the idea that it would be used to, you know, point to vulnerabilities, point to different issues with the Voting Machines themselves, and the plan was to use that as evidence of widespread voter fraud. Reporter another shocking twist in the story . The Coffee County data breach would remain secret for 20 months. When did you guys learn that there was a potential breach involving Coffee County . About a year after it happened. And when we heard about this, at first it actually got sprung on us in a lawsuit. Reporter that lawsuit, which is unrelated to the 2020 election, was filed in 2017 after an independent coalition initially sued the Secretary Of State over the security of the georgia Voting System. The video of the data breach was one piece of evidence in that civil suit. But it revealed exactly what these Trump Supporters were up to after he lost the state. They played a little snippet of an audio of one of the plaintiffs talking to a person claiming to have done this. Reporter that person was scott hall, the man seen here in the surveillance footage. Im the guy that chartered the jet to go down to Coffee County to have them inspect all of those computers. They scanned all the equipment, imaged all the hard drives, and scanned every single ballot. Without that recording of scott hall, wed probably never know what we know now. Reporter the Georgia Bureau of investigation has been looking into the incident since the summer of 2022 and says that their investigation is still ongoing. Did you have any sense this was tied to maybe other operatives in the Trump Campaign, that it was anything beyond sort of lowerlevel people in Coffee County . Not initially. But there are allegations, and as you dig down deep more is revealed and then you realize that that wasnt truthful. Re Sidney Powell was the one who ended up commissioning the services of Sullivan Strickler. Her involvement is really what exposes the broader trump teams involvement in Coffee County. Reporter Powell Advocated Seizing Voting Machines with an Executive Order from trump. At an explosive white house meeting in December 2020. Another idea that was pitched during that meeting was raised by Rudy Giuliani, and he thought that they could coerce or convince local Election Officials to voluntarily give their investigators access to Voting Systems. Reporter in other words, exactly what happened in Coffee County on january 7th, 2021. Do you feel like the longer this goes on, does it ever sort of feel like wow, this is bigger than even we realized at the time . I think when you start with the president of the United States saying the election was stolen nothing outside of that is going to be surprising at that point. At this point nothing is surprising to me. Reporter despite searching for evidence that would back up their theories of Election Fraud, there is no indication there were any Voting Irregularities discovered during the data breach. And to this day we dont know where the data lives and how exactly the Trump Supporters plan to use it. Up next were about to have the David And Goliath fight. 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Fight for trump after nine weeks of countless misleading comments, half truth, and flatout lies, a violent deadly insurrection exploded at the nations capitol. Its over free trump in the midst of the riot, then Lieutenant Governor of georgia jeff duncan begged residents of his state involved to stand down. I want to speak directly to georgians. Every georgian that can hear my voice, put down your difference, put down your partisanship. More than 20 Georgia Residents would go on to face charges, stemming from their actions in washington, d. C. On january 6th, according to a cnn tally. Donald trump stopped caring about this country the moment he started lying about that election, the Conspiracy Theories that literally seeded the beginnings and endings of january 6th, in my person was a direct attack against democracy itself. The election lies and Conspiracy Theories may have reached their apex on january 6th, but even now more than two years later, donald trump refuses to acknowledge the 2020 Election Results. It was a rigged election. And still cant accept his loss in georgia. We have elections that were horrible. If you look at what happened in atlanta, millions of votes, and all you have to do is take a look at government cameras. Even at the Fulton County District Attorney fani willis is expected to ask a grand jury for multiple indictments after investigating efforts to overturn the Election Results in georgia. Local officials fear another Trump Indictment could spark violence. Especially among the Trump Supporters who still believe the last election was stolen. If january 6th was sort of the result of somebody dropping a few drops of gas on the fire, then i think that these indictments could be basically like turning open the pub and really causing some problems. I think that we will see a number of sort of farright Fringe Groups become much more active. If these radical, vicious, racist prosecutors do anything wrong or illegal, i hope we are going to have in this country the biggest protest we have ever had in washington, d. C. , in new york, in atlanta, and elsewhere, because our country and our elections are corrupt. He has some supporters who will demonstrate in the street in front of the courthouse. There is a capacity for violence in the far right that cannot be dismissed. Thinking fake case was brought only to interfere with the upcoming 2024 election. The cases against trump are piling up. The former president has already been indicted and has pleaded not guilty twice. First on State Charges in manhattan, stemming back to an alleged hush money and coverup scheme in 2016 involving adult film star stormy daniels. Then in florida, where special counsel jack smith brought federal charges for trumps alleged mishandling of classified documents after he left office. We have one set of laws in this country and they apply to everyone. I consider it a badge, a Great Big Beautiful Badge Of Honor and courage, because im being indicted for you. A third indictment georgia would only intensify the already unprecedented moment in american history. All as his special counsel plows ahead with another federal probe into trumps efforts to subvert the peaceful transfer of power after the 2020 election. I ran twice. I won twice. In georgia, it isnt just former President Trump prosecutors are looking at. We know theyre considering racketeering and conspiracy charges, allowing the democrat to bring charges against multiple defendants who took part in the former president s plot. Here is the armageddon scenario. There is this rico indictment, and there are several Public Officials that are indicted, that are brought into this indictment. Every one of them is going to have their own army and team of lawyer, and every one of them is going to be filing all of these motions. And youre going to have to respond to all of them. If she does bring charges and this does go to trial, what do you think the biggest hurdle for willis is going to be . Hurry biggest hurdle is going to be can she get a conviction with jurors who essentially are going to be like a snapshot of the electorate. The ridiculous and baseless indictment of me by the biden administrations Weaponized Department Of Injustice will go down as among the most horrific abuses of power in the history of our country. This is not going to be an easy win. I dont care how compelling or how strong your evidence is, how many tapes you have, how many witnesses you have. And trump isnt just a former president. Hes also the leading candidate for 2024. How does it feel now to see obviously donald trump is running for the white house again . More of the same. A lot of noise. But its not supported by the facts. But his candidacy is a point he can try to use to his advantage in the courtroom. If youre donald trump in this, how do you juggle the court dates again, two, three, four indictments with campaigning for president of the United States . Yeah. I think thats going to be a legitimate issue he brings up to the court. And while we all want to see some resolution, i dont think there is any question that hes got a good credible case to make that he shouldnt be forced now to have to try his case in the middle of a president ial primary. What happens if hes reelected president of the United States before these cases are decided . I think that he is immune at least from prosecution in the state court. I think in the federal system, its a different question altogether. If he were elected, he does hold sort of the ultimate pardon pin. And the question is the same as we got to at the end of his last term, and does he have the authority to pardon himself. Were more than two years past the pressure campaigns, the harassment of public and private citizens. The coordinating of Fake Electors, the breach of election equipment. And we still dont know. Will trump and his allies face charges here in georgia . And if so, will there be convictions . They rigged the president ial election in 2020, and were not going to allow them to rig the president ial election of 2024. Did voters deserve an answer to this question before donald trump became, you know, announced candidate again . I dont think there is any question about that. I mean, so from a national perspective, no question about it. From a local perspective here, no question about it. Do you see any risk in moving forward with indictment of the former president . Are we setting any kind of a dangerous precedent . I think were setting a dangerous precedent if we dont move forward. If we dont hold him accountable, the risk is much more significant. You saw former President Trump lie to the american people. You saw him gin up this outrage. Is it a remedy if he is charged with a crime in georgia . If they indict him and they cant convict him, it will be an exoneration. Is that better or is that worse . I dont know. What message does it send if they dont, though, if you dont bring charges against someone who tried to overturn the results who allowed these sort of threats to permeate . Again, there is no Good Solutions here. What i could envision is that we actually live in a society where lady justice is blind, and it doesnt matter if youre rich, poor, black, white, democrat or republican, if you violated the law, youre going to be charged. Fulton county grand jury is expected to decide in august whether to bring any charges against trump and his allies. If so, a new jury will be seated to hear the case, and a date yet to be set by the trial judge. Thanks for watching the whole story. Ill see you next sunday. Suspenseful Music crowd screaming you get a car you get a car everybody gets a car i think Black Unscripted is so popular