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To that and how they will defend him. Weve got a lot to get to. Lets go to our colleague lauren fox on capitol hill. Good morning to you, lauren. So at least the optics were of progress in the oval office yesterday. Susan collins leading that meeting with the president. But was there substantive progress . Well, sure. I think republicans felt it was a good meeting, a Good Opportunity to speak directly with the president about what their hopes are for their own covid relief package. But, look, democrats are charging forward with their plan to use that budgetary tactic to go ahead and pass that 1. 9 trillion bill with just democratic votes. They are arguing essentially that republicans are willing, if they are willing, they are allowed to come forward and vote for this process. They are welcome to be a part of it, but they are saying they need to be bold, they need to go bold and you saw that yesterday reflected in the statement from the White House Press secretary after that meeting had wrapped. Essentially democrats plan to move forward. Were going to see that Budget Resolution today from senate democrats. Its going to give Committees Instructions to go ahead and begin writing this bill. Im told that process is really going to start and get under way next week. Youll have House Committees working in consultation with the Senate Committees to write that legislative text. And its going to look a lot like the 1. 9 trillion plan that the biden Team Released months ago. So thats where they are headed, but i will tell you, democrats are not going to wait for republicans if they dont want to come along on this. Jim and poppy . Republicans who have the challenge of whether they want to vote against aid like that. The other issue 4 still unresolved is a Power Sharing Agreement in the senate. You have a 5050 split but with the Vice President making the ties in effect. Were weeks in to this new congress. Whats holding up an agreement here that allowed votes, for instance, on the president s nominees . Well, you are starting to see some of the wrinkles of not having an organizing resolution really show up. One of them, of course, the fact that Lindsey Graham who is still technically the chairman of the Judiciary Committee saying hed like to see a twoday Confirmation Hearing for the Attorney General nominee, but one of the concerns he has is theyre going to start that Senate Impeachment trial on february 9th. They were scheduled to begin the Confirmation Hearing february 8th. Hes saying thats not enough time, but one of the reasons that this isnt already wrapped up is the fact that democrats and Republican Leadership aides are still squabbling about what this organizing resolution could look like. Im told they could come to an agreement as soon as today that the discussions are really weedy and its just a difference of opinion on how to move forward and these are some small changes they need to come up with. But essentially its halting Senate Business here on capitol hill. Well see when that changes. Lauren fox, thanks very much. Jeremy diamond is at the white house. If no bipartisan deal was within reach, they are willing to do this without republicans. I just wonder, theyve. Talking about this twotrack approach for some time, right . Proceeding with reconciliation, while keeping their ears open to possible compromises here. But after that meeting yesterday, is there a path . Are republicans willing to come up on that figure, democrats down . Its not clear. What we saw yesterday was the potential and the limits for bipartisanship with President Biden in the white house. And the current makeup of the house and the senate. We had on the potential side that twohour long meeting hosted by President Biden. His first meeting at the white house with lawmakers. Intended to send a clear signal that he isnt just talk but hes serious about these calls for unity and bipartisanship. Both sides, the republican, the ten republicans who were meeting with the president as well as the white house, making clear that this was a goodfaith discussion, that there were some points of agreement but then in terms of the limits of bipartisanship, what you saw in the wake of this was the white house making very, very clear that they do intend to move forward with this legislation and theyre certainly not going to compromise more than they believe is necessary and more than they believe is necessary in terms of what is needed for the american people. You look at these two plans and you can see how tremendous the gap is. More than a trillion dollars separate these two plans. What President Biden is proposing and what the republicans you look at the Stimulus Checks. You can see big differences there. And this issue of the minimum wage and state and local aid. None of those neither of those are in the republican plan. So you are going to see the white house move forward here, approaching a Budget Reconciliation that appears to be the direction the white house is headed. Still keeping that line open so those republicans on capitol hill, but the emphasis from the white house here is the sense of urgency to pass needed aid. And thats where theyre going to focus on. Jeremy diamond, thank you very much from a beautiful looking washington, d. C. , this morning. Two big developments on top of all that we just talked about, two big developments in the second Impeachment Trial of former President Trump, but any moment, house Impeachment Managers will provide a detailed legal analysis of their view of the constitutionality of impeaching a former president. The legal team faces a deadline today. Actually next hour for the democrats and noon for the republicans to respond. Cnns john harwood and legal analyst norm isen with us. He was Impeachment Counsel during President Trumps first Impeachment Trial and also special counsel to president obama. Lets begin with you because over the weekend there was talk that one reason the president fired his initial legal team was because he just wanted to quadruple down on the idea the election was stolen from him. But is now the focus with his latest legal team just to go after the Constitutionality Argument . Seems pretty clear from the argument that the lawyer made on Television Last night. And that is the obvious place for President Trump to go. Hes had 45 republican senators already vote to affirm the idea that it is unconstitutional to have this trial. Never mind that the consensus of legal scholars is that it is constitutional. There is precedent for it. Mitt romney has said has made that point. Mitt romney, of course, was one of the ones who voted the other way. But that seems the shortest path, the path of least resistance for the president. He clearly is consumed by this idea, this false idea, the lie that he spread that resulted in the insurrection that he won the election, that it was stolen from him, but what lawyer, what selfrespecting lawyer wants to stand up and make that argument when Everybody Knows its not true. Good point. But things do surprise us. Norm, the what were going to see, our reporting is in the document put forth by house democrats, Impeachment Managers next hour, is that theyre not only going to argue the president incited the violence at the capitol and insurrection, but theyre going to say it was intentional and months in the making because of his lies. I wonder how high the bar is to prove intentionality. Well, poppy, thanks for having me back. The intentionality stems from the known facts here. Theres just no other way to look at the president s long pattern of misconduct. He started attacking this election before it happened saying if he lost, it would be rigged and just continued to accelerate the false statements. Hes responsible for what happened. And his behavior was appalling throughout this process. Its norm, i hear you, and i know youre on the side against the president last time around. Im wondering legal, like opinions and politics aside, isnt a bar for proving intentionality pretty high . They dont need to meet that legal bar here. This is an Impeachment Trial. They need to show a high crime and misdemeanor. Inciting an insurrection, including using the Fighting Words on january 6th, on top of the long pattern that came before it, that is more than sufficient to meet the standard of a high crime and misdemeanor. Can they make that case without sccalling a significant number of witnesses . Democrats fought for witnesses in the first trial and got blocked by the white house. Why not push for a significant list of witnesses if youre proving that case. Beyond january 6th, right, you could talk to the folks the president pressured across the country to overturn the election. Jim, im sure that they are looking at which of those key witnesses they can bring in, but, remember, theres an enormous amount of evidence that is already in the Public Record here. We know from the previous trial that this is a team that is going to put on devastating audio and visual evidence, including the president s own words. Not just on january 6th, bad enough, but over a period of months inciting this insurrection. So while witnesses are always an important part of a trial, we also have to be mindful of the fact that there is a pile of information, and nobody has put it all together yet. I think were going to see that in this trial. John harwood, yesterday senate Judiciary Committee chairman, because there are no Organizing Rules agreed on so republicans are still leading these committees, responded to senator dick durbin in terms of durbins call for the Confirmation Hearing for Attorney General nominee Merrick Garland to be ahead of the Impeachment Trial. Graham makes the case the last five Attorney General nominees had twoday Confirmation Hearings. Is he right on that, and where do you think this goes . Obviously, the senate could go ahead and confirm Merrick Garland if they wanted to. Lets just review a little Lindsey Graham history here. 2016, participated in the blockade of Merrick Garland for the supreme court. Later said use my words against me if theres a republican president , well not rush it through in an election year. We saw what happened with amy coney barrett. In 2016, he ran against trump who said hes a xenophobic bigot and then became trumps best friend. Same pattern on ukraine. If its a quid pro quo, its really bad. Then when a quid pro quo was proved, it wasnt really bad and with the insurrection he said in the moment of the violence, im out. Then he got right back in. I dont know how you avoid the conclusion that Lindsey Graham is an energizer bunny going straight in the direction of what is the most expedient thing for him in that moment and this seems to be another example of that. John harwood, ambassador eisen, thanks to both of you. Still to come Senate Minority leader Mitch Mcconnell, interesting to say those words, does something most of his colleagues in the house will not do. He publicly calls out congresswoman and Conspiracy Theorist extraordinaire Marjorie Taylor greene, condemning her, quote, loony lies, calling her, again quoting, a cancer for the republican party. Will leaders in the house follow his lead . Yeah, its a really extraordinary step. Well get into that. 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But he was quickly referring to her when he confirmed, quote, loony lies and Conspiracy Theories as a, quote, cancer on the republican party. Greene fired back in a tweet saying the real cancer is in her mind weak republicans. All of this put House Republican leaders on the spot. Brandon buck is with us. Hes a former top aide to house speakers tom ryan and john boehner and you worked for Kevin Mccarthy as well. So ive got to ask, given how rare it is to hear a leader in the senate speak about an issue in the house in this way, whats your read this morning . Yeah, it is really rare. Typically theres an understood rule that Senate Leaders take care of their own conference, dont mess with whats going on in the house. So theres one of two things going on. Either Kevin Mccarthy asked for Mitch Mcconnell to back him up a little or Mitch Mcconnell is just really concerned about the direction that the party is heading, and feels like in the absence of anybody else saying something, he needs to speak in defense of liz cheney and make clear that Conspiracy Theories arent welcome here because hes worried about the longterm political implications of a party that welcomes Conspiracy Theorists. The trouble, of course, is those Conspiracy Theories and lies are not confined by any means to Marjorie Taylor greene. The most popular man in the republican party, donald trump, has been a Chief Propagator of lies. For years, right, and continues with the election lie. I just wonder, do you find Mitch Mcconnells rebuke of greene and by the way, hes rebuked trumps lies on the election as well, but is she an avatar for a larger battle here, the party attempting to, or some in the party attempting to marginalize trump himself . Yeah, absolutely. Mitch mcconnell seems to be the only person in Republican Leadership right now who recognizes that the longterm political damage of continuing to welcome in anybody into the party, whether its Conspiracy Theorists or dismissing White Supremacists or anything the president sort of winked and nodded at, its a disaster. You cannot have a functioning party thats not willing to set clear principles on basic things like shootings of children are staged. You cant have a party that welcomes people when people think you are a Conspiracy Theorist. So hes taking the long view. I think on the house side, a lot of the leaders there are more frankly playing the short game. Theyre more concerned about keeping the House Conference at ease and not creating any pressure on themselves where Mitch Mcconnell sees this is a bad path to go down, and were in trouble if we dont change course right now. Kichb mccarthy stripped steve king from iowa of his Committee Assignments and he didnt get elected again. He has the same power to do it again this time. I wonder if hes going to. I wonder if his thinking is different this time and i wonder what you think about Marjorie Taylor greene last night saying dont do this democrats because the precedent is bad and its going to come back to bite you. Well, i think the president will be this is something each Party Controls their own. Youre right. Kevin mccarthy took action after a long string of things that steve king said. Its one of the most severe things you can do to a member. The house runs on committees. If you arent on a committee, you have very little power to do anything. If he continues down this right of being unapologetic about these crazy things she says, i think hell have no choice but continues . Shes been doing it for years. Right. So i think theres a bit of a principle here to think about that her constituents elected her knowing that shes said these things. Its not necessarily his place to overrule those people who said that. But that said, he does have some tools here. The committees. So that will be what hell need to look at. Is this someone redeemable . If shes irredeemable, then you have to yank her off the committees and make clear shes not welcome or anybody like her is not welcome. You served Republican Leaders for a long time. Mccarthy, mcconnell, paul ryan. Youre still plugged in. This is a larger battle within the party right now. And i wonder, whats your sense w of who is winning . Is it the mcconnell, weve got to expunge this part of the party or the other side still hold the upper hand . Mcconnell is a lonely voice right now. I wish there were more people speaking like mcconnell. Mcconnell seems to be the only one fighting this fight other than mitt romney and ben sasse. Absolutely, the people who are standing with trump are winning because hardly anybody else is fighting back and thats why im encouraged by Mitch Mcconnell saying, enough is enough. We cant continue going down this road. Because, you know, we talk about a republican civil war. Theres not really much of a war going on because everybody is on the side of trump still. Yeah, listen, it was 139 House Members voted still after january 6th, right, to overturn the results of the election in states. Its remarkable. But senator cassidy did just step in and Say Mcconnell is totally right on this. Well see if this is the beginning of somebody turning the page. I want to know for people looking and cant really see your face, its a dark shot because you have the light behind you. Were sorry about that. This is what happens sometimes in covid land and we are sorry we couldnt fix that, but thanks for being here. Your insight is so important. Jim . They are a top priority for coronavirus vaccinations. Why have only 38 , a little more than onethird of nursing home workers, where so many people have died, accepted shots . Were also moments away from the opening bell on wall street. 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It has taken longer than they wanted to get vaccines into arms. The pace is picking up. Tell us how we know that and how much its picking up. Yeah, the pace is picking up, and theres more of a sense of urgency, jim and poppy. The reason why, going back to how you mentioned those variants. We now have three variants that have been identified. One in brazil, one in the uk. First identified in the uk and brazil and one first identified in south africa. The concern here is that as these variants circulate, we could see the risk of reinfection among people who have already had covid19 and as the virus jumps from person to person and it replicates and mutates, we could have the risk of more variants emerging. Thats something that dr. Anthony fauci has emphasized, and thats why we really are pushing for more vaccine. Not just for personal health to protect your or reduce your own risk of reinfection but for Public Health to reduce the risk of more variants. So the weather slowing things down but theres more of a push because of this risk. We need it. Jacqueline howard, thanks very much. Well, the cdc says that while vaccinations are high among the residents of Nursing Homes, more than 60 of nursing home staff have turned down shots, even when theyve been offered. Why . Concerns over how fast the vaccine was developed, approved, safety, frankly just plain lack of Accurate Information. I want to speak to christopher grace, the founder and president of the ogalvy center. Hes been working to provide Accurate Information to get over some of these hurdles. Thanks for joining us. Thanks for having me, jim. So one of the issues getting in the way is the sad fact that big portions of the country either dont believe covid is that serious or dont believe its that serious to them in particular. You call that an optimism bias. Can you explain whats behind that . And how you get over that . Yeah, thanks. Optimism bias, in fact, is in all of us. Even at if you ask people whether they think theyre an aboveaverage driver, probably 90 of people tell you theyre an above average driver. We all think that were better than average. And that includes escaping sickness. Escaping harm. And so theres an inherent bias. Its stronger in some people who feel, yeah, i know covid may be a real thing for some but probably wont be so bad for me or i wont catch it. How to overcome that, that happens when somebody near and dear to you, somebody close to you gets very ill. When its remote, its much more difficult for people. You mentioned the nursing home workers. Ive seen that job pretty close. My mother passed away in a nursing home about four months ago. Thats a tough job, lowpaid job. These are not doctors. And i think they saw the pandemic chaos up close and are wary about how fast vaccines came online. So a major, major part of this is the story of how vaccines work and how we could make them so rapidly this time without cutting corners on safety. You say, listen, the data, lets put it up on the screen. The data is very strong here about how well vaccines work. But if you look, 75,000 u. S. Adults, covid would have killed 1 sorry, wrong graphic. There we go. Covid would have killed 150 of them. A typical flu, 5 to 15. Much less dangerous. And out of 75,000 people who received covid vaccine, how many have died . Zero. So the data is on the side of getting vaccinated here. But you say people, they need social proof, just like they need someone to get sick to consider covid real, they need someone to be fine after a vaccine to or many people do, to take it themselves . Thats absolutely right. And thats what were seeing now. When you see on the second and third reports in the Nursing Homes here, beginning to see more uptake on the nursing home workers. Why . Because now that they see, you know, 6 million, 10 Million People, they see their coworkers who are vaccinated having no harm other than soreness, maybe some fever, maybe some chills, but certainly they are not dying from the vaccine whereas they are dying from covid19. So that social proof is going to lead. Im very optimistic that amongst the nursing home workers, as they see those around them and talk daily to those around them, some of this fear and disinformation is going to melt away. Let me ask you a selfcritical question, if i can. Do we in the media or others inadvertently contribute to these questions by the way we cover and discuss these things, and how can we do it better . The answer is, jim, all the time media contributes to that. And i can say that as a Recovering Newsperson myself. And that is this. Whenever, for example, you want to explode myths, by repeating the myth, you may do more damage. It doesnt mean you encensor. You talk about what you know and what the evidence is rather than repeating the disinformation. Repeating disinformation does not help. So thats one. Second, when you look at whats working, just as you said, when we look and obsess about efficacy, its great. I can tell you, ive been working in vaccines, Behavioral Science for years and the American Public prior to the pandemic wasnt talking about efficacy. But when you look at it, and you look at a blunt number like 95 versus 72, you say, oh, wow, thats a huge difference. But as many of the immunologists were pointing out recently, look at the hospitalizations, sickness and Mortality Rate postvaccination. People are not going in the hospital and theyre not dying after vaccination. And thats, listen, thats the outcome we want, of course, especially given the death toll on the side of our screen. Thanks for helping us break through it all. That was such a great segment. Ahead, President Biden is taking aim today at his predecessors Immigration Policies. Hell issue several Executive Orders. Ahead, what these mean for families who have been separated at the border. We have lived four years of trump stringing us along. Hi, im a new customer and i want your best new smartphone deal. Well im an existing customer and id like your best new smartphone deal. Oh do ya . Actually its for both new and existing customers. I feel silly. But i do want the fastest 5g network. Oh i want the fastest 5g network. Are we actually doing this again . Its not complicated. Only at t gives everyone the same great deal. Like the Samsung Galaxy s21 5g for free when you trade in. President biden will sign three Executive Orders today to roll back several hardline Immigration Policies from the trump era. Among them, one of the most controversial and derided, establishing a task force designed to reunite families separated at the u. S. mexico border. Ed lavandera takes a closer look at how these Policy Changes could impact everything from construction of the border wall to the future of daca recipients. Reporter isa mendez came to laredo, texas, with her parents at the age of 2. Shes now 33. Everyone in her family, including her four children, are now u. S. Citizens. Except her. Mendez is one of the hundreds of thousands of people known as dreamers. President biden is proposing a pathway to citizenship for these immigrants who have been able to live in the u. S. Because of the obamaera program known as daca. Weve lived four years of trump stringing us along with that fear and anxiety so i am hopeful that something will something positive will come out of these different legislations or these executive actions that biden has brought. Reporter the Trump Administration rolled out four years of controversial programs that critics have often described as inhumane, but that many conservatives have celebrated. There are still 611 children separated from their parents as part of the Trump Administrations Zero Tolerance policy. The Biden Administration is proposing a task force to reunify those families. I will accomplish what i said i would do. Much more humane policy based on family unification. Reporter on other issues, biden will face legal challenges. The president issued a 100day pause on deportations, but a federal judge has temporarily blocked that move. And there are still about 28,000 migrants sitting in Mexican Border towns seeking asylum through the controversial remain in mexico policy. Advocates have pushed for these migrants to be allowed into the country, while their cases are handled in immigration courts. Former Acting Director of immigration and Customs Enforcement Ronald Vatelo warns that bidens Immigration Policies could create another surge of migrants at the southern border. My warning would be learn from the history we have. When you roll back those elements of whats in place now, then youre going to encourage people. Reporter and then there is the issue of the border wall. How much do you enjoy this view . Im going to see it through bars. Its going to be horrible. Reporter last year, joseph hine was bracing for construction of the border wall across his ranch on the bank of the rio grande in texas. We returned to see him after President Biden halted all construction. Along the road they built, theyve put these markers. Reporter now hine feels like hes won the border wall fight, at least for four years anyway. The way i saw it, it was a hostile takeover of my property and i was being treated ed lik second class citizen. They were fine and dandy with it. Reporter so all of these issues, and President Biden is also pledging to support a path to citizenship for millions of undocumented immigrants already in the united states. A path that would include criminal background checks as well as proof the immigrants are learning english. Its just one in a wide array of issues controversial issues that the president will be weighing in to later today. Jim and poppy . Ed lavandera, tha reporting. Well, in washington, The Battle Over Stimulus continues. Will the size of those Stimulus Checks be key to helping struggling americans or not . A nonpartisan economist with the numbers, next. Ok, just keep coloring there. And sweetie can you just be. Gentle with the pens. Okey. Okey. I know. Gentle. Gentle new projects means new project managers. You need to hire. I need indeed. Indeed you do. The moment you sponsor a job on indeed you get a short list of quality candidates from our Resume Database so you can start hiring right away. Claim your Seventy Five Dollar credit, when you post your first job at indeed. Com home. 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What we found using data on credit card and debit card spending for millions of americans is that lower and middle income folks, people making less than 50,000 or 75,000 a year, they spent most of that money almost immediately very quickly. But for people making higher levels of income, more than about 75,000, they ended up saving most of the money and so as a result, thoseimpacting the. In fact, you found that 200 billion only added 15 billion to the economy. But the puckback from other economists is look, it is good for people who make up to 75,000 to have a cushion, some sort of cushion and their argument is they may be saving it in the near term, but they spend it in the longterm, right, when there is no more moratorium on rent, for example. Yes. So that is i think a reasonable point. Concretely were estimated if we have another round of 1,400 stimulus, we estimate if that money went to households making more than 75,000 a year, that would cost the federal government about 200 billion and in the first month or two, people would spend only about 15 billion of that. Now, it is true that in the longer run eventually they might spend that money. But the key thing i would note is that lots of those folks higher up in the income distribution, theyve gotten their jobs back or didnt lose their jobs when covid hit several months ago and theyve been building up a stockpile of savings because theyve been cutting back on the amount theyre spending because you cant go out to eat, you cant go out and you dont want to go out to travel, et cetera. And so when youve got a big stock of savings giving you an extra 1,400, it might not be the most critical use of government resources. So raj, what i heard yesterday from the republican governor of west virginia, here he is. Theyre trying to be per se fiscally responsible at this point in time with what weve got going on in this country, if we actually throw away some money right now, so what. We have really got to move and get people taken care of and get people back on balance. Chairman powell seemed to echo that, janet yellen said you have to go big and ben bernanke who led us through the last big downturn, warned this summer, dont make the mistake we did in 2008. You you have to go more and give big on state and local aid. Do you think theyre right . I agree with that sentament. It is important to not worry about being fiscally prudent ant this time but that said the way we spend the Money Matters as well. So extending Unemployment Benefits and uncreasing Unemployment Benefit Levels for those who have lost their jurors and sohoring up the safety net, they could have a big bank for the buck and i mean money that actual actually gets spent. And businesses have more revenue and they hire more workers. If people save it, that is not the use of resources. We should go big but in the right way. It sounds like maybe theyre call you back into the white house. I know you brief then President Elect biden on this in august. Maybe theyll call you again on all of this. Raj, your research is critical, i urge everyone to read it. Thank you for being with us. Thank you. Facing years in prison, russian Opposition Leader Alexei Navalny the victim of an attempted deadly poisoning is not backing down. Were live outside of the moscow courthouse where we launched a new Personal Attack on the russian president. That makes your love shine. Even brighter. Zales. The diamond store. Priceline works with top hotels, to save you up to 60 . These are all great. And when you get a big deal. You feel like a big deal. Priceline. Every trip is a big deal. 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Remember this, he spent months in a german hospital after being poisoned with what experts say is a russian powerful nerve agent novichok. That Hospital Stay was a parole violation. He was the target of an assassination attempt. Fred pleitgen is live outside of the courthouse. Today navalny went after putin himself . Sfl reporter is he certainly did. And said things almost impossible to say in russia. He said Vladimir Putin is angry that he survived his poisoning and said that it was apparently the russian intelligence behind the poisoning of Alexei Navalny. He said it was investigated and turned out that it was Vladimir Putin and the Russia Intelligence Services but the thing raising the most eyebrows here in russia and from anybody observing that in this courtroom is that he said that Vladimir Putin wants to be a big geopolitical politician but now he is simply known as quote, Vald Mere The Poisoner and called him the put Inthe Poisoner Of Underpants and that that was put on the seam of his underwear to poison him. So some pretty strong stuff coming from Alexei Navalny. The judge seemed shocked. He tried to interrupt navalny and he yelled and said i dont need your objections and continued with a 15 minute speech. But as you said he faces up to 3. 5 years in prison because they say the fact that he was in rehab in germany and getting back on his feet, that was something that was a parole violation. One last thing we asked the kremlin about this and they claim that Vladimir Putin is not paying any attention to this trial. I doubt that. We were showing pictures of the protesters that have erupted around the country in the wake of this. Fred pleitgen, thank you very much. Very good tuesday morning. Im jim sciutto. And im poppy harlow. There is a lot happening today. House democrats lay out their case against former President Trump in his second Impeachment Trial. That pretrial brief outlining their plan to show that the former president worked for months to subvert the will of voters. That will come this hour and it says it continued. The president tipped his lies and disinformation about a stolen election ip cited the deadly insurrection at the u. S. Capitol. Cnn has obtained a