cowards. they are doing everything they can to avoid accountability and you only do that when you're a coward and you don't want to be held accountable and trump saying like, well, i'm not afraid of it, go to jail. that's such a load of bs and we know that he's terrified of it, but this is the kind of big sort of bulli talk that he likes to just bluster. >> sarah would know better than i. >> but again, i hope people see through it and see that's a coward that is not a man of care, blubbering you in this era because there are a number of people who share the sentiment that karen has just said. some of them are republicans and some anti-trump republicans. biden, we understand it is just now more fulsomely reaching out to those particular people who could be his allies. i guess the idea the enemy of my enemy is my political friend. we are sandy bridge sat to cassidy hutchinson as well. has anyone reached out? to you and you expect them to and would you be receptive no one has reached