evidence gathered in a grand jury from his former attorney. >> she's going to be looking at the end of june in this three-day hearing preceding a gag order request from the prosecutors. >> and then they're also out there is something she said she would have four the defense team. they've asked for basically a mini-trial where they could potentially put under oath investigators that worked on this and question them in her court. that was supposed to be at the end of the end of june. but just today, she said, we're not going to have that. i'm going to reschedule it at a later time. and of course over all of this, anderson, no trial date and no trial date anytime soon. based on all of the things that this judge still has to work through, katelyn polantz. thanks. jon is now former federal judge niche and gardner, best-selling author and former federal prosecutor, jeffrey thuban, and cnn legal analyst, norm eyes and jeff, how unusual is this for judge cannon? two first of all, let's talk about the allowing third parties this whole way.