pardon there. what you know, what the present and it is doing with respect to his cases, which is delay, delay, delay. and if you delay it long enough, you occupy the oval office, then of course, as circumstances changed, the games change in the consequences changed. and so i think in the event that this appeal, it goes forward and there is more delay and trump gets ultimately elected. then upon assuming office in january ban and certainly could be ripe for having a pardon, but what that's a ways off and it could be that biden biden gets elected. trump does not, and it could be that a pardon is not on the table, and it also could be even an appellate court says, hey, there's nothing to see here when i've event permitting you to appeal, it's not as of right. and ban court has to decide to do it. and the supreme court has decided to take it. both courts could say, you know what a court has ruled. we're not taking anything. it stands. let's see what that what happens there. >> all right. joey jackson, sara marie, to both of you. thank you very much. up next, the boeing starliner is expected to dock at the international space station very soon after ran into some