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issue or drug overreach, you're over a lay to the case. i find jurors to be very authentic. as you said, kate, i can't think of a family my own included that hasn't had if not directly peripherally, at least some involvement or some experience with someone drug addict as joey said, in his defense narrative we're not here to demonize. we're here to uplift i think that there's a legitimate chance of jury nullification here because people are going to be empathetic to this situation. and i think of the defense hits hard that what was his state of mind when he filled the format as joey said, these forms are unreliable. did he check the box? did somebody else check the box? there's a lot to work with for the defense and joy we touched on this yesterday, but the fact that the judge told the defense him they can't call an expert witness that would get at that question of the fact that their approach was

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