Ive got to go to the pandemic and the fold in to our foundations of this coming quarter, our foundations to 2021. Youve got to comment on what the eu saidd yesterday. Jonathan a call for more fiscal stimulus across the continent as well. Christine lagarde pretty clear about what she wants to do in december. The colder it gets, the harder it gets in europe. Cases are going up. More restrictions are coming on. Big question for the United States, whats next the deeper we get into winter . Tom weve gone back and forth this morning with differences of opinion. It is a movable feast. I would say that the one item this item as the president adjusts his plans for what he will do Election Night because of the pandemic. He had plans to go to his hotel. He will not. The rumor is he will stay at the white house. Jonathan according to open what the new york times. According to the new york times. Lisa we will get some earnings from exxon mobil, the thirdquarter earnings. The reason i am interested in this is a variety of reasons. They announced yesterday they would be cutting 15 of their workforce through the end of ofure through the end 2022. I am really curious about that. It 30 a. M. , september personal income and spending data. What it is like billy to show is a decline what it is likely to show is a decline in personal income. Longer can it uphold the Economic Growth . 10 00 a. M. , university of Michigan Sentiment index. To your point earlier about the u. S. Antivirus and the spread, we saw a Record Number of cases overnight in the United States. How much is this going to affect sentiment . How much is this going to affect Business Activity before any lockdowns go into effect . Jonathan that is the unknown. Heres the price action this friday morning. In europe, one of the worst weeks we have seen for the European Equity market going all the way back to march. In the United States, s p 500 futures down 18 points. At about 2 00 a. M. Eastern time, nasdaq futures absolutely plunged, and then they started to come back a little bit. We are seeing a similar story in the fx market. The euro is weaker, now unchanged. One consistent through all of this, even with a rout earlier this morning and the equity market, the treasury market specifically did not move an inch. 82 basis points on the tenure. Tom i am going to say three days ago, we had this equities move, bonds dont. Then we have equities move, bonds move. Now we are back to where we were three days ago. You see it with 0. 82 on the 10 year yield. Jonathan james athey joining us now, aberdeen standard investment asset manager. The action really whippy on this friday morning. James it is frustrating for us, actually, as duration bulls. We thought risky assets were being incredibly complacent across a broad range of factors. We have been thinking about this and trying to piece together some sort of understanding of why that might be the case, but i think the story we have settled on is that this is a position unwind. The market was positioning for fiscal stimulus and a blue sweep. Lets be somewhat clear. That meant being short dollars, long risky assets, and being in Treasury Curve steepness. Have seen is even though yields have gone up, the curve has flattened, and we have seen equities being unwound, and the dollar and the yen rallying. The dollar is definitely one where there have been short positions. With think this looks more just like it clear out of some of those positions, maybe because the virus has got worse, also because of some concerns that the Election Results might be closer and might be contested. Tom futures right now, 18. So you have ownership of equities. You have new money to put to work. You have to have a framework, a view out there. Where is there . 4 . It 2021 or November James ideally, we would like to take the long view. Certainly if you are an equity investor, my equity colleagues look at the quality of the firm, the quality of the balance sheet. They are not making an economic call, and they will definitely be able to look through political events like this because they will be comfortable that the company they are buying is a good company at the right price. That is not the case for all types of investment, and certainly not for all types of investor. So it is a bit more difficult because the prices themselves are going to be a function of the result and what it means for policy going forward. So depending on the type of investor, you will be able to look through this event to a greater degree. We would find it more difficult to completely ignore, so we will be managing our risk levels and exposures accordingly. Lisa and yes, you said it has been a frustrating week for you as a duration bull. What is the hedge here . James i would have said the curve was directional. We have been running bullish duration positions, then we got some long and steepness in the u. S. Our fx positioning has been favorable to the moves this week because we have been positioned long the dollar, the yen, the swiss franc, some of the riskier currencies. Us,as been a good hedge for but going into the event itself, i think the outcome is a lot closer than nate silver, for example, is calling it. I find it difficult to build a portfolio that i think will be truly robust to every possible outcome, so i am going to be happy running some risk, some short duration positions in europe if yields go really high. I think european yields get dragged to some degree. It is not a huge amount, but they will get dragged bit higher. They are still having a bit of a small duration long bias in europe, some defensive positions in fx, but just taking the risk down. Jonathan how well do using this market has priced in the headwinds for the recovery we are seeing develop in europe and elsewhere . I am looking across asset. Crude, the dollar. Ossian topped out around a similar time aussie yen topped out around a similar time. That was two months ago. I would argue this market was pretty ahead of some of these risks. What do you say to that . James broadly speaking, i think weve gone too far, too fast quite some time ago, and it didnt really need the recurrence of a virus spread we have seen. Again, we were just priced in the extreme of the probability distribution. We were priced in a utopian future when earnings would almost instantly recover. Policy was going to be sustainable and effective. Everything was going to be hunkydory, and the uncertainty around that is somewhere close to zero, so that was quite ridiculous Market Pricing. We have seen some pushback against that. To go to your original question, how well is the Market Pricing the outlook, i would still say terribly. Looking at u. S. Equities doesnt give you a good picture for global equities. Opean equities of you have equities as you have described have had a terrible time. They look credibly low comparable to the u. S. Equitiesassets in u. S. Have really not taken account of the probability distribution of how this will play out, but also taken account of the damage that has been done and will continue to be done to economies and business models. Tom i just looked on the bloomberg at a log chart of the value line geometric index, which is an old war horse. It takes out a lot of the emotion, a lot of the dynamics of the movable feast of all of these big cap stocks. It is extremely well contained, and as you said earlier, basically a pullback. How do you know when a bull market ends . How do you know as a fundamental guy . James you actually dont. You know in the rearview mirror. I cant quite remember who, one of the sell side analysts was drawing comparisons to this earnings season in the u. S. With season,000 earnings where you got solid looking earnings, lots of beats versus expectations, and get equity performance across the index basis is absolutely diabolical. Nobody in march or april 2000 was saying that was the top of the nasdaq and it was over. It was only the end of the year when you could look back and go we are kind of done here. Thats the highest weve seen. It takes a long time to get back to those highs when the overvaluation is so extreme. ,o impossible to know especially when you live in a world of justification for extreme valuation just using rather glib narratives which dont stand up to a lot of scrutiny. For a loteen the case of stock valuations in this period. So i think we will only know in the rearview mirror. Jonathan great to catch up, as always. Good to hear from you. Aberdeeney there of standard investment. Nasdaq futures turning around this morning. They were down about 2 at 2 00 a. M. , now off by 0. 9 . Dr. Talk about bit tech and the earnings after close. Apple still off in trading. The weighting into the nasdaq 100 makeups 13 of that index. When apple is not doing well, it is fair to say the nasdaq is not doing well either. Tom we are going to see how that works out. Theres been a lot of sell side reaffirming. Is 1700e line geometric and it is rebalanced daily. Is flat over the last five years. That is the partition of the stock market. Iveshan on big tech, dan joining us shortly, Wedbush Securities analyst. From new york and london this morning, good morning. Alongside tom keene and lisa abramowicz, im jonathan ferro. Your equity market slowly recovering, with the emphasis on slowly, after a brutal week for the equity market longs. This is bloomberg. With the first word news, im ritika gupta. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and treasury secretary Steven Mnuchin playing the blame game. Each blames the other for the lack of Coronavirus Relief l. Mnuchin accused pelosi of holding up a bill by refusing to offer compromises. Policy says the white house says thee pelosi white house isnt responding to a number of suggestions. Floridan says if goes blue, it is over. Germanys chancellor Angela Merkel says the European Union should have acted sooner to control the coronavirus pandemic. Merkel told eu leaders that political realities stopped them from imposing restrictions earlier. A flareup in infections in europe has forced fresh lockdowns. British Prime MinisterBoris Johnsons government is sticking with his local plan to tackle coronavirus hotspots. Foreign secretary dominic raab says it would be unfair to impose blanket measures when virus rates vary so much across england. They are striving to avoid a national lockdown. Shares of apple are lower today. The companys earnings missed wall street estimates. Plus, sales in china plunged. Ceo tim cook says the new iphone 12 lineup has been well received. Global news 24 hours a day, on air and on bloomberg quicktake, powered by more than 2700 journalists and analysts in more than 120 countries. Im ritika gupta. This is bloomberg. Now it isres. Trump bigger than any gdp weve ever had. You have to go back to the 1950s. Two weeks ago, i would have said i will take 12 . Nobody ever heard of 12 . 33. 1 . Mr. Biden we can build back better with an economy that works well, and do it without raising taxes a single penny on workingclass families. I guarantee you my word as a biden, no one looking less than 400,000 dollars will pay a single penny more in taxes. Not a penny. Jonathan President Trump and Vice President joe biden rallying in tampa with just four days to go until the u. S. Election. Alongside tom keene and lisa abramowicz, im jonathan ferro. This friday morning, the tone of this market just improves a little bit, every passing minute. We are down 19, off by 0. 6 . In europe, things improve a little bit as well. Eurodollar unchanged. Dollaryen the standout overnight. In the bond market, we have talked about this repeatedly, unmoved. The treasury market resilient to everything it seems. 0. 824 on the 10 year. Tom one thing has moved, and that is the real yield. You can look for the jon ferro property this afternoon as well. 0. 001 to 0. 88 , a change to what the real yield is doing. Lets get the politics at hand right now. Kevin cirilli joins us. Are they campaigning for the tuesday voters . After eaglescowboys sunday night, how do they address the people that will actually vote on tuesday versus the male in game . Ame . He mailin g kevin for President Trump, he is going to show up. He is going to be in , in the hometown of democratic president ial nominee joe biden. Biden is heading to wisconsin today. Hillary clinton was criticized for not going to michigan and ofconsin in the final days 2016. Both of the sides are really just trying to push turnout. From the president perspective, gdp number, but he didnt get the vaccine. There was a forecast that we would see a strong gdp number, but they were bullish that we would have vaccinations. We are still about a month and a half away from that. Sunday nighttom biden,ssage does joe does donald trump want to convey during eaglescowboys . Kevin i think it is that audience, i am not sure that a tv ad is going to slip anything. Texas is a battleground state. Pennsylvania, battleground state. The dynamics we have alluded to in texas and pennsylvania specifically, with Energy Policy , refineries closing in the southeastern portion of the with the racial unrest we have seen in the city of brotherly love in philadelphia, where there is a 9 00 p. M. Curfew, so the psychology of the pennsylvanian voter and whether or not they are motivated to show up to the polls is something that i think is a large unknown variable. Nash county, North Carolina is a razor thin margin for President Trump back in 2016. North carolina, a key, crucial battleground state. You look at some of the business fundamentals. Bank of america headquartered in North Carolina. Sevenis, five of the paths to victory the Trump Campaign has outlined in the past month publicly include a North Carolina win, so ive got my eye on North Carolina for a lot of reasons. Lisa we are talking about the polls, about the strategy. I want to know the on the ground effect of the mailin ballots, and what is going to be counted where and when. Which swing states are you looking at to delay the longest, versus those that will be most prompt . Jonathan such a great kevin such a great point. I was reading that Supreme Court ruling yesterday, and talking some of my sources. Another unknown variable is how precisely the dynamics of this will look because of the volatility. Here is what i mean by that. We dont know which state will matter, so to speak, on november 4 or 5. We dont know which patchwork of state regulations in which the ruling will matter. We get into hypotheticals quickly right now, but weve got to be prepared. If you look at a state like North Carolina, where local regulations upheld by the Supreme Court allow for the votes to be counted nine days after, that puts us about 5 00 p. M. Eastern on november 13, which is a week plus out. In this type of media circus environment, so much can happen in a week in american politics, but that is really what we are dealing with, the final vote tallies if there is a ranger if there is a razor thin margin might not come in in battle states until nine days after the vote. Jonathan great to catch up, as always. The numbers are absolutely amazing. More than 18 million americans already voting, 60 of 2016s total. Tom in some of the states, way more than that. What i would emphasize, forget what i think or you think. The pros in this game, that is the first thing they mention every conversation. There is no other topic than the early turnout. Jonathan the one that really stands out for me is texas, votet 95 of the 2016 total done early. It is incredible. Lisa it is incredible. We will see if we see overall massive turn or whether everyone is just mailing it in because they dont want to get sick going to the polls. One thing i find interesting about this election, what joe bidens platform ip. It doesnt seem like anyone is gaming out a second term of President Trump. You wonder how much of a surprise could come if he is up in the polls, if he is up in the Election Results in the immediate aftermath. That could be a massive disruption to market. Jonathan tom keene has given it plenty of thought because tom keene does not believe in these polls, as he has told us repeatedly. No. E a poll, tom says tom i talked to the pros, and they are coming in just like they expected. Lisa i will tell you this. There was a story in the wall street journal about how even the people for trump in 2016 are not saying that they think he is going to win. Even if people say we dont believe the polls, they are still pricing in that joe biden will win. So honestly, that is the conundrum in markets right now. Jonathan big conundrum in this market. After that election, you also have a fed decision and payrolls friday. Next we could get messy pretty quickly. Alongside tom keene and lisa abramowicz, im jonathan ferro. This is bloomberg. Are you frustrated with your weight and health . Its time for aerotrainer, a more effective total body fitness solution. announcer aerotrainers ergodynamic design and four patented air chambers create maximum muscle activation for better results in less time, all while maintaining safe, correct form and allows for over 20 exercises. Do the aerotrainer super crunch. The prestretch works your abs even harder, engaging the entire core. 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The treasury market unfazed by everything, it seems. The nasdaq futures were down 200, about 2 , now down by about half of that. Linge shares fal after they reported iphone sales that missed estimates. The company is facing some strains due to the coronavirus. , we areu look at iphone constrained today. How long we will be supply constrained, it is hard to predict. We are supply constrained on mac, on ipad, and on some apple watches as well. We are working really hard to remedy those as quickly as we can come about at this point, i cant estimate when we will be out of that. Jonathan that was the problem for many other companies that reported after the close. It was about the outlook and the lack of visibility that some of these companies have. Tom i just call it allamerican uncertainty, around very good numbers as well. Bull, out one year, out five years. Can you write today with a fiveyear model, or is the uncertainty so great that youve got to pull in your timeline . Dan i continue to view it as near term uncertainty, but in the case of apple, 40 of the installed base hasnt upgraded their phone in three and a half years. So the pentup demand when i look out, i even think over the months, theres a little more visibility when you look for men install base perspective, but no doubt, on tech we continue to be bullish. Tom i look at the people looking 90 days or even a year out, and if you take any of these juggernauts and model them two years or five years, it is shocking the growth. As that growth enus is that growthiness still there . Can it come down the income statement and persist out five years . Dan it speaks to our bullishness over the past few years. We look at some of these names. The profitability profile is dramatically higher. Look at apple in terms of services. That gross margin is about double the hardware business. I think what you are seeing is it is very easy to get myopic and nervous on some of these new prints, but for apple, the super cycle hasnt even started. We think preorder activity is e than 2z iphone 11th more than 2x11. Why do you think the stock is down about 14 from the september high . Dan is it part of it is just general nervousness, going into super cycle. China obviously is the key to the overall cycle. Quarter, it this think theres general nervousness that you are not going to see that demand. See perfection builtin. I think you have seen risk off overall in tech going to the next week, but i believe it is shortlived. That is why i still think it is , tech stockstech are over 20 plus. Jonathan for the most of the year, it has been dead on. Something happened in early september. Some are asking whether we have already seen the pull forward for apple through the shutdown. This is not about waiting for the iphone 12. This is the payback for a really decent quarter when the world was shut down. What is your response to that . Dan youve seen the pull forward on macs and ipads. You have not seen the pull forward on iphones. That is really the key here. You are going to what i have used once in a decade, super cycle for apple. That is still on the horizon, especially when it comes to china. Youve got 40 of the installed base that hasnt upgraded their phones, and a stock that gets rerated on services, which next year is going to be more than 60 billion. That continues to be the crux of the thesis here. This quarter doesnt change that whatsoever for me. Aspect of the big tech earnings that strikes me as odd is that continue to trade as a monolith in large part. People talk about big tech as though their fates are intertwined, though their models are different. Then you have amazon come eight knocked it out of the park in terms of projections, and people are still punishing them. Do you expect divergence in the face of these shares in the fates of these shares . Who will be the loser . Dan little divergence with google over the last six to nine months. They knock it out of the park last night from an advertising perspective. I think a lot of that could be on the antitrust. As you start seeing more and more pressure going into next year specifically, if you see a blue wave, the googles and facebooks could trade a little differently than the apples in the amazons in terms of those secular trends. We do view them as a group, and i would put microsoft in there, as a platform play, and the strong are getting stronger. Covid has accelerated the growth enterprise for the next one to two years. Even though you will see some of the kneejerk reactions from the likes of amazon. Lisa they are increasingly being treated as haven investments because of what you just talked about, and yet the valuations, the multiples are getting higher and higher. People are saying it makes sense with such low yield. How would you change your call if benchmark rates in the u. S. Went up . Dan that could change things, but i also think what is starting to happen is investors are viewing some of the parts. Look at amazon a ws, ecommerce. Look at apple from a services and hardware perspective. I do think in terms of the breakup talk to some of the rerating you have seen, i think that is the key. On the other side, as you start seeing more of a risk on trade, tech continues to lead the market higher. I dont see that changing here in terms of the shifts we are seeing. I think it is evident through earnings season. Tom one of the Great Questions here, and i just did a quick pharaoh pop interpellation interpellationro here, other companies have tried that. Intel, ibm. That story didnt work out so good. Is apple correct to be so corrective buying back shares . Dan it is hard to argue with the strategy, in terms of what you have seen on the net neutral cash policy. They are not acquisitive, and the buybacks, the reason i think it hasnt worked for some of those companies, they didnt have a golden installed base, and anything close to what the iphone is with a 96 renewal rate. Given that they have more cash in some countries, that from an investor perspective i thing is the right thing to do. Tom what i find stunning is the margins of the growing service sector. 40 , 50 ,stain those even 60 margins in service . Dan that is why i think the Services Business, we have said some of the parts, i think the Services Business is worth 950 billion. That is part of the rerating in the stock over the last six to nine months as its held up like rock of gibraltar if you look at the Services Business. They continue to stay where they are potentially go higher, and that is a key part of the bowl thesis the bull thesis. Lisa what do you make of the fact that china sales dropped 29 for apple . The idea that perhaps that has to do with a new phone coming out, but even more with the tensions that are growing between china and the u. S. When it comes to tech . Dan tension has been their poster child for the u. S. China trade war, but i think this quarter is a throwaway quarter for china. It all comes down to you see a pause ahead of iphone 12. We believe you could see growth in china in the december quarter. Headline. Ary i think three months from now, we sit here, we talk about how is china that strong in terms of iphone 12. That is what we see in terms of pentup demand. You inn and we will see three months. The bull is still a bull. Apple right now, 4 in premarket trading. We talked about this a couple of times during the week. Ive brought this up many times throughout the week. Theres information in the new slow and in how markets respond to the news flow. Ponczek,kets, sarah these names, if you havent provided some nice guidance just to make you happy about the future, these stocks get punished, and these got punished after the close and into this morning. Tom they get punished after the close. It has been interesting to read the articles today. As jim with citigroup said, they are moderate really they are modestly tweaking outlook. Jonathan what was your take after the close yesterday, with blowout numbers from some of these names, and that it was about the lookout . Lisa but there was much of one when you talk about amazon. Their forecast was above expectations, and a lot of people thought it was overly conservative, and that they are going to do really well and the holiday season, yet their shares are down premarket. To me, it feels like people are so concerned that things are overbought, and they want to pare risk, and they sell what they can. The has these have become safe havens that you can buy and sell easily, depending on your risk appetite. Jonathan they are the market, so to speak, at the moment. Here is what the market looks like. We recover a little bit and europe to just about flat. On the s p 500 futures, we were deeply negative. Nasdaq futures come much more so overnight. Losses, and we roll over. It is another choppy morning for the equity market, and a morning where the bond market does not want to participate. Yields, 82 basis points on the 10 year. Your euro unfazed. 1. 1669. Ar,. This is bloomberg. Ritika with the first word news, im ritika gupta. They werent able to agree on a Coronavirus Relief package before the election. Now nancy pelosi Steven Mnuchin are still battling over terms for a postelection deal. The treasury secretary accuses the House Speaker of refusing to compromise. Pelosi says she is waiting for my nguyens response for my nguyen for my mnuchins response to her demands. Economists are projecting the u. S. Economy will grow anywhere from below 3 to about 6 in the fourth quarter. The u. S. Has set a record for its most coronavirus cases in one day. , a000 cases were recorded jump in infections again in new york and new jersey. Plus, there is a record outbreak across the midwest. Can assume the ecb president Christine Lagarde has signaled that more monetary stimulus is coming. That is according to one of the banks policy makers. He spoke with bloomberg. This is a correct interpretation with some caveats. She also said it is very clear we use the december projections to make our decisions. What we have decided is to make preparations to go through our whole portfolio and see in what area we need to recalibrate to be ready for december, but the decision will be based on december data. Ritika global news 24 hours a day, on air and on bloomberg quicktake, powered by more than 2700 journalists and analysts in more than 120 countries. Im ritika gupta. This is bloomberg. In coronavirusce infections presents renewed health andto public the euro area and global economies. Information signals that the economic recovery is losing momentum more rapidly than expected. President ecb Christine Lagarde really leaning into a recovery that is fading , andacross the euro zone teeing up the likelihood that we get more stimulus in december, indicating everyone on the governing Council Agreed to recalibrate the instruments. I think that is the story overnight into this morning. More stimulus coming from the ecb. Tom but everybody else as well. You really wonder with the pandemic news, are we really beginning to see here and into the week and after the election a tectonic shift in size of stimulus . Somehow too many trillions of dollars . Jonathan yesterday, i thought at one point president lagarde was thing a rate cut on the table, and many people thought it was the end of rate cuts. We caught up with the Austrian Central Bank governors earlier this morning, and he essentially ruled out the possibility of a rate cut. So for those of you worried about even deeper negative rates in europe, the Austrian Central Bank governor ruling that out. Or bond buying to come in europe. Tom looking at negative Interest Rates in germany and switzerland. There is stasis there. Not worse negative Interest Rates, but i would call it stasis after a challenging week. On the vaccine, on our biomedicine as we search for a vaccine, we talk to physicians. Is with creditnt suisse at one of the toughest accounting forces in the country, the university of michigan. He joins us to look at the hopes and the dreams of our biotechnology. Your reports are unreadable. They are in greek. Manyhave way too multisyllable words about the biotechnology of this moment. Translate for us the Major Research goal of big biotech right now. Evan well, thank you for that introduction, and good morning. Of course, theres a lot going on. Before we went on air, we were talking about when is this going to be over. Right now we need vaccines. That is hopefully coming. We will hopefully have positive data by the end of the year. I know people are very access for that. We also had develop ands from gilead, like with remdesivir. The fact is it is fda approved in patients who are in the hospital, that seem to do better if they are given remdesivir. We also have antibody cocktails from the likes of regeneron at eli lilly. Regeneron is what the president was given weeks ago. Tom what did that regeneron cocktail cost walter reed . Evan that cost them nothing because it was part of a clinical trial. Tom but give me a price of what some thing like that is going to cost. Evan that is a very good question. One key data point we have is barda has a contract with regeneron for about 300,000 doses at about 450 million. So 1500 or so per dose. One of the things when i speak with the company, they caution on using that as the go forward price. I think that is somewhat reasonable, a little less then therapy for remdesivir, and this would be for the treatment setting. Lisa given the Public Health nature of all of these remedies and the vaccine, the fact that the government is footing the bill for a lot of it, and a lot of the pharmaceutical companies are footing the bill for the r d, how do you gain out the profit ability of their involvement in this . Evan that is my challenge every day. These models are constantly changing. When i think about it, i look at how important it is to just get out of this kind of current phase of the pandemic. We want to go back to normal. We need therapeutics that are effective, and vaccines that can be given to the masses. When i think about therapeutics like remdesivir, we know the price. We know it is relatively profitable for gilead, but they lost 1 billion in giving it up this year, which is pretty incredible. With the therapeutic antibodies, i think what is going to have a near term is it is going to be a direct sale to the government for this to bijan, so you are not going to be able to necessarily have it distributed through a normal pharmaceutical method. The reason i bring that up is because that is how the pricing is. I think these companies are going to make some profit. They are not going to be unreasonable. This is something i have talked about before. But again, we are still kind of early in figuring out what the ultimate impact of profitability and we021 and beyond, could have a vaccine next year. Abby just posted abbvie just posted fullyear above average earnings. They seem to be doing ok. There have been a number of expedited vaccine approval processes, particularly in the u. K. How soon do you think we will get an approved vaccine . Probably under emergency use authorization versus full ia license or licensure, am cautious we could have data from the Pfizer Vaccine sometime late november potentially. I expect us we have the safety data in hand, they will go right to fda based on some of the commentary that the company was talking about earlier this week on their earnings call. So short answer, hopefully by the end of the year, or the latest, sometime in the First Quarter of next year. Jonathan evan, thank you. Appreciate your time this morning. Sir. You, that is the difference as we go into lockdowns in europe, the increase in infections as well. The horizon is different as well. People hope the vaccine is just around the corner thats the end of the vaccine is around the corner. In march, you were staring down the barrel of the complete unknown. No idea how long this would go on for. No idea how to treat it. Tom i looked at the vectors this morning and the cases, and the debt this morning, and the cases and death factors are not attractive. The big question in biotech and pharma is the cost of delivering this to millions and millions of people. I dont know how you do it at 1500 i dose. Jonathan the social stigma attached to making a profit on it as well, that is going to be a big issue that we have discussed many times throughout the year. Alongside tom keene and lisa abramowicz, im jonathan ferro. Counting you down to an opening bell stateside with the market shaping up as follows. On the s p 500, on the nasdaq, we are race some of the overnight we erase some of the overnight losses. The s p 500 off by 0. 75 . 1. 1671. Ar, Foreign Exchange getting more interesting this week. Coming up, jordan rochester, g10 fx strategist for nomura. Looking forward to that conversation. Alongside tom keene and lisa abramowicz, im jonathan ferro. Heard on bloomberg radio, seen on bloomberg tv, what a week weve got coming up next week, with full coverage here on bloomberg surveillance. This is bloomberg. It looks like we are heading towards a doubledip. We could be in for a prolonged correction. Policy in the United States on the fiscal side continues to come up short. The longer we wait, the bigger that package will need to be. It is clear we are going to see downward revisions in many businesses. We dont have safe havens anymore. Build a difficult to portfolio that will be truly robust to every outcome. This is bloomberg surveillance with tom keene, jonathan ferro, and lisa abramowicz. Good morning, everyone. On a friday, and