Recognize me if i fixed my tie. Just leave it this way. All right. I dont consider myself a journalist. Nobody else would consider myself a journalist. I began to take on the life of being an interviewer, even though i have a day job of running a private equity firm. How do you define leadership . What is it that makes somebody tick . Let me ask you a question at the beginning. How does it feel to get up in the morning and know that 330 million americans want to know the state of your health that day . [laughter] jus. Ginsberg how does it feel . Encouraging. As cancer survivors know, that dreaded disease is a challenge. It helps to know the people are rooting for you. It is not universal. [laughter] had ginsberg when i pancreatic cancer in 2009, there was a senator whose name i dont recall, but he said i would be dead within six months. That senator is now no longer alive. [laughter] [applause] david but you cant remember his name . Jus. Ginsberg no, i dont. David your current view is as long as you are healthy and able to do the job, you intend to stay on the court. Is that correct . Jus. Ginsberg as long as i am healthy and mentally agile. [applause] David Justice stevens and previously Justice Oliver wendell holmes, they retired when they were 90. Would you like to break their record . Jus. Ginsberg i spent the first weekend of july with Justice Stephens in what turned out to be the last week of his life. He was remarkable. He was 99 years old. Had he left the court at age 90. He had written four books. So yes, he is my role model. David today many people think that the court is very political, that people appointed to the court by democratic president s and those appointed by republican president s tend to follow the political desires of the republican or democratic party. Do you think that is a fair assessment, and if it is not, why do people have that view . Jus. Ginsberg people have that agreement is not interesting. Disagreement is, though the press tends to play up 54 or 53 decisions. If we can take last term as a typical example, we had 68 decisions after full briefing and arguments. Of those, 20 were 54 or 53 divisions, but 29 were unanimous. So we agree more often than we disagree. That is something i would like the audience to take away. That the division, yes, there are on some very important questions, but our agreement rate is higher than our disagreement rate. David if you have a 54 decision, does one of the justices go to the other end say, and say, why dont you change your mind . Jus. Ginsberg no, there is no horse trading on the court. David if you vote for me on this one, i will vote for you on that one . That doesnt happen . [laughter] jus. Ginsberg it never happens, but we are constantly trying to persuade each other, and most of the time we do it through our writing. Every time i write a dissent i hope i can pick up a vote. David many people are surprised the civility that exists between justices even though they write not such favorable things notice scalia used to say such wonderful things about your views, but you still went to the opera with him. Was that hard to do . Jus. Ginsberg not at all. Justice scalia and i became friends when we were buddies on the d. C. Circuit. What did i love most about him . His infectious sense of humor. On the were three judges court of appeals, he would sometimes whisper something to me. It would crack me up. I had all i could do to contain hysterical laughter. But we had much in common. Though our styles were different, but we cared a lot about writing opinions, so at least the other lawyers and judges will understand what we are saying. David both of you and you still are a great opera lover. Where did you get your love of opera to begin with. And where did the opera scaliaginsberg come from . Jus. Ginsberg i will take the first question first. My love of opera began when i was 11 years old. I was in grade school in brooklyn, new york. A middle was school, Junior High School english teacher, took me to high school in brooklyn where an opera was being performed. Notas la gioconda, conventional opera at the time. There was a man at the time named dean gibson who wanted to turn people onto beautiful music. He took opera performances around to various schools and then condensed them into one hour, narrated in between. There were costumes, staging. My introduction to opera was thanks to him in 1944. David so the scaliaginsberg opera was written by a Law School Student . Jus. Ginsberg he was then a Law School Student. He was a music major at harvard. He decided it would be useful to know something about the law. So he enrolled in his hometown law school, university of maryland. In his second year, he took a constitutional law course. He read these dueling opinions, scalia on one side and ginsburg on the other, and thought this could make a very funny opera. [laughter] jus. Ginsberg i will give you a taste of scaliaginsburg. It opens with scalias rage aria. [laughter] very he says the justices are blind. The constitution says absolutely nothing about this. And then in my coloratura soprano voice, i answer, dear justice scalia, you are searching for bright Line Solutions to problems that dont the greatanswers, but thing about our constitution is anat, like our society, it cn evolve. Up the difference between us. The plot of scaliaginsberg is roughly based on the magic flute. [laughter] jus. Ginsberg scalia is locked up in a dark room. He is being punished for excessive dissenting. [laughter] jus. Ginsberg i then emerge through a glass ceiling. [laughter] [applause] to help him pass the test he needs to pass to get out of the dark room. Then a character left over from don giovanni. He is astonished. Enemy, why is your would you want to help him . I said, he is not my enemy, he is my dear friend. And then when we sing a wonderful duet [laughter] jus. Ginsberg that goes, we are different, we are one. Different in our approach to reading legal text, but one in our reverence for the constitution and for the institution we serve. David you are extremely well known around the country now, but you werent when you went on the court. But now you have become more or less a rock star. Rbg. Jus. Ginsberg when i was asked, what do you have in common with the notorious b. I. G. , i said it is obvious. [laughter] david most justices of the Supreme Court are relatively not recognized by the public, i would say. Recent years have changed, but you are extremely well known around the country. But you werent when you went on the court, but now you have become more or less a rockstar. Rbg. You have movies about you on the basis of sex and other things. Why do you think this has occurred, and is this something you dont enjoy that much, or something you think comes with the territory now . [applause] jus. Ginsberg it was the idea of a secondyear student at nyu law school. Who was very disappointed in the courts decision in the Shelby County case. That was the case in which the court declared unconstitutional a key provision of the Voting Rights act of 1955. 1965. Renewed time and again by overwhelming majorities on both sides of the aisle. But the Supreme Court struck down the formula. The way the Voting Rights act a stateas if you were or a city or county that kept africanamericans from voting, you could not make any change in voting legislation unless you precleared it with the department of justice, civil rights division, or with a threejudge District Court and the district of columbia. Suppressede check many laws that would have discouraged africanamericans from voting. The Supreme Court said the formula for who was discriminating in 1965 is now out of date. Congress needs to do it over, because jurisdictions Bloomberg Technology jurisdictions that 1965 mayriminating have clean hands today. The political problem was, what member of congress, what senator or representative, would stand up and say, my state or my city or my county is still discriminating . Keep it under surveillance that the Voting Rights act provides. This wasnt going to happen. The act itself had a bailout provision. If a state, city, county indeed had a clean house for several elections, it could bail out. And that device i thought was all that was needed. He was angry, then she said to herself, anger is not a useful emotion. I am going to do something positive. What she did was she took the announcement of my dissent that i read from the bench in Shelby County, and she created this blog, hinting at the notorious rbg. A name she adopted from a wellknown rapper, the notorious b. I. G. , and when i was asked what in the world do you have in common with the notorious b. I. G. , i said it is obvious. [laughter] both of us were born and bred in brooklyn, new york. [applause] david you were born and bred in brooklyn. You still have a bit of a brooklyn accent, you might admit. You were played in a movie by felicity jones, who was not jewish or from brooklyn. How do you think she did . Jus. Ginsberg i thought she was fantastic. When i first met felicity, i said, you speak the queens english. How will you mime a girl born and bred in brooklyn . But she listened to many tapes of my speeches and my argument that the court, and she was wonderful. David in recent years, you have also gotten a lot of attention for your exercise routine. [laughter] david when did that start . You have your own trainer . Are you still lifting weights or whatever you are doing . Jus. Ginsberg as recently as tuesday. [applause] jus. Ginsberg i have been with the same personal trainer since 1999 when i had my first cancer bout. And my dear husband said after going through surgery, chemotherapy, radiation, i looked like a survivor of auschwitz. He said you must do something to build yourself up. Get a personal trainer. That is when i started, in 1999. Sometimes i get so absorbed in my work, i dont want to let go. But when it comes time to meet my trainer, i drop everything. As tired as i may be in the beginning, i always feel much better when we finish. David did martys mother ever give you any advice . Jus. Ginsberg she gave me wonderful advice. We were married in her home. And she said, dear, i would like to tell you a secret of a happy marriage. David ok, so you met your husband marty. You were married for 56 years. You met him at cornell. Is that right . Jus. Ginsberg yes, i met him when i was 17 and he was 18. David what is the likelihood of a woman at cornell meeting someone they marry and that person wants to take care of child rearing and cooking as well as sharing all the other burdens of being married . Is that a common thing in your observation . [laughter] jus. Ginsberg it was extraordinary at any time, but particularly in the 1950s. Cornell at the time had a 41 ratio, four men to every woman. It was a place parents went to send their daughters. [laughter] you could not find your man at cornell, you were hopeless. [laughter] so then i met marty, and he was in fact the first boy i ever knew who cared that i had a brain. He was always my biggest booster. The cooking, that began i had two years between college and law school, when marty was in the service. Spent in years we oklahoma, the principal artillery base. I got pregnant during the first year. When i went to give birth, my cousin sent marty a copy of the escoffier cookbook with english translation, and said this will give you something to do while your wife is away. Marty had originally been a chemistry major at cornell. And he treated this escoffier cookbook like a chemistry textbook. He started with the basic stuff and worked his way through it. He gave up chemistry, because it interfered with golf practice. He was a great golfer. Then he switched to government, which was my major. He attributed his skill in the kitchen to two women, his mother and his wife. His mother, i think, that was an unfair judgment. But he was certainly right about me. [laughter] jus. Ginsberg i had one cookbook. It was called the 60 minute chef. That meant from when you entered on thertment, food is table in no more than 60 minutes. I had seven things i made and we got to number seven, and we went back to number one. [laughter] david did martys mother ever give you any advice about how to stay happily married . Jus. Ginsberg she gave me some wonderful advice. We were married in her home, and she said, just before the ceremony started, dear, i would like to tell you the secret of a happy marriage. I would like to hear it. What is it . Every now and then, she said, it helps to be a little deaf. [laughter] jus. Ginsberg wishes such which was such wonderful advice. I have followed it assiduously to this very day. In dealing with my colleagues. Whenever an unkind word is said, i tune out. David as a result of your marriage to marty, who was a distinguished tax professor and lawyer as well, you have two children, jane, your daughter who teaches at columbia jus. Ginsberg she is a professor of literary and artistic property law at columbia law school. [applause] david i understand you and she were the only motherdaughter team to be elected to the harvard law review. Is that true . Jus. Ginsberg so far. David david you have a son in the music business . Jus. Ginsberg james makes with ate he grew up passion for music, but no talent as a performer. So when he went to the university of chicago, he was a classical disc jockey on the student radio station. Then in the years he was dropping in and out of law school, he was also making recordings. One day, he told us he liked what he was doing much more than his law practice. We said fine, that is what you want to do. He has a label and his recordings are gems. David do you have any grandchildren . Jus. Ginsberg i have four stepchildren, two grandchildren and one great grandchild. [applause] david what do your grandchildren call you . Rbg . What do they call you . Jus. Ginsberg i am a jewish grandmother, so i am called bubbie. David the harvard and columbia law review, you were flooded with job offers from the major law firms . Jus. Ginsberg there wasnt a single firm in the entire city of new york that would take a chance on me. 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