Penalty. Joining me now is a journalist who covers National Security and terrorism for the washington post. And with me in new york is a special correspondent for the daily beast. Welcome to you both. What do we know now that we did not know yesterday . I dont know if there is anything dramatic we know. You have more of a picture of , a computers man chose him. He worked for a hotel in uzbekistan. He was 21 years old and he wins. Whether or not he wanted to do it, everyone said, you won the lottery. He comes and stays with some people in ohio and has an idea that, he was a bookkeeper and a hotel back home and thought he might do it here, but he doesnt speak english. So the guy he was staying with was driving trucks, so he started driving trucks. You can see this guy kind of solitary driving all over the United States in his truck, going back to his family. He gets married, has two daughters, then his wife becomes pregnant with a third child. If you think he is planning this year, that means that whole time that she is pregnant he is coming home and he is planning Something Like that, while the son is coming into being. The son is born. That does not change anything. While he is starting life, daddy is collecting videos of isis beheadings, tortures, and murders on his cell phone. One of the things i noted about where he was living in new jersey, one of the toys up front was a little fire engine. He comes to the city of new york and you look at a fire engine and you think of the fdny, and that makes you think of 9 11. Yesterday, there was a truck from 1010, which is the firehouse from the world trade center, driving down the path this guy took washing away the blood. There was a Police Helicopter above it. I think there has been nothing we learned about him that we didnt kind of know the minute you heard it happened. Another lone loser, a guy who picked stuff up from isis. If you follow the isis magazines all, you kind of new can of knew. We are talking about the isis playbook. And even talked about you should throw leaflets. This guy thought that was two pieces of paper. He did everything except for the end where he is supposed to martyr himself. He had a fake gun and could not get to his knives and does not martyr himself. Now you have the president of the United States saying he should be executed. Maybe thats not going to break this guys heart. This is the case we are hearing about radicalization of that happened after he was here in the United States. Yesterday in the papers, we are talking about 90 videos, 38 00 images recovered from his cell phone and other places. And what he has described according to Court Documents is he watched these videos a lot. They both encouraged and i think probably got him more accustomed to the notion of taking lives and hurting people, because the videos he is watching are obviously pretty gruesome. It seems like he was using the videos and other things to psych himself up. That is the description we are getting from folks working the case. It is as mike said, an incredibly sad thing, but also very predictable in the sense that he had a flash bang of about a year. Meaning, he started to think about this a year ago. Two months ago, he got very mysterious about it. We were told that in recent weeks he had practiced driving rental trucks. Michael now he is driving an uber, probably not too happy. What does he do . He scouts that route. This guy is driving along the west side highway on manhattan, one of the most beautiful thing she could see, beautiful things you can see, people walking, biking, jogging, and living their lives along the water with the statue of liberty off to the right and the Freedom Tower rising there, it is just a beautiful thing. Re anddriving through thei he is thinking what he is going to do to kill people. Radicalization i dont know if that is the right word. When you get down to it it is not religion. It is people working out their own personal pathologies, grabbing onto something. I think of the men who flew the first plane into the world trade center, when they went to his father and said he it done it, the fathers reactions that he could not have done that. He is too weak. Osama bin laden was his fathers 53rd kid, but his mommys one and only boy. You can see certain pathologies at work. They latch onto that stuff. It is out there for these guys. He has a whole phone, two phones, of this stuff. Two phones of these kind of twisted ways he can fill everything inside himself that might feel empty. He is not just a guy driving some truck through this bizarre country called america. He has power. He is connected into something big. It wasnt a mistake for him to leave home. I think ultimately he wanted to prove he did win the lottery. I am a winner. I did win something. Because i am with isis. He talked to the cops about hanging an isis flag in his hospital room. I mean, that is a guy who is nuts. That is not a guy who is radicalized. That is a guy who became nuts, i think. Combine the pathology with almost the manual, written and published in june this year, almost terror by numbers, and he follows the checklist. Devlin sure. What you have seen here is as terrorism has evolved since 9 11, 9 11 compared to this was complex and sophisticated. Big,is literally find a heavy vehicle and find some pedestrians and bicyclists and plow them down. There is a detechnologicalization of this whole thing. Isis says use a rock, a car, anything you have, and that will be enough. You can call them pathological, broken people, people who have some serious problems. For them, that is enough. What about this idea, you mentioned a couple of times, that lottery and the visa program. The president yesterday during his press conference went out of the way to say this individual, he was a reference for a number of other people. What do we know about that . Michael that i am not clear on. That stuff is dangerous because you say this guy came in on this plane with this guy, went to this wedding with this guy. Thats like going to a mafia wedding and you think this guy was seen coming in here and later went to dinner with this guy, so i think that stuff is a little dangerous. I dont think the sky was the center of some cell. Some people in the mosque noticed he was getting a little extreme. The more reasonable people told him he ought to cool it. I am sure other people who were hotheaded probably noticed, they passedy past remarks remarks or Something Like that. This guys plot consisted of going to home depot, taking the 19. 95, putting down a deposit, leaves his car, and then go and does it. That is his whole plot. What about this idea that has has the actual caliphate get smaller and smaller and faces more intense military pressure in that part of the world that the virtual caliphate seems to grow rapidly. Devlin i think there is a lot of truth to that. I think certainly the virtual caliphate, the notion that the ideas themselves can be infectious for small percentage of people is true. And you dont really need a coherent state to make that happen. Fear other point, to your other point, as far as the points of contact and the 23 other individuals, if it helps you understand, he was listed as a point of contact for 23 other who came or wanted to come from uzbekistan to america. That is not the same thing as sponsoring someone. Hewas a green card holder so can sponsor anyone to come here beyond his wife and children. So there has been a lot of misinformation about what that 23 people point of contact thing means. And frankly it does not mean a ton. However, in the course of the last year or two, the fbi was interested in a friend of his and that is how he came on the radar ever so slightly before this happened. What that says to me is they were not focused on him. They were looking at someone else. The thing said to me is that the uzbek community is such a small immigrant community in this country that a lot of them know each other and use each other as references or have two degrees of separation. We are being cautioned by sources to not read too much into these things because it is a small and insular immigrant community. Governor cuomo said there is no evidence to suggest a wider plot or wider scheme. Can we confirm that . There is definitely a plot in the isis puts the cell. Puts all this stuff out. They put out a recipe for a Pressure Cooker bomb. Ok we will not do the Pressure Cookers, more with Christmas Tree lights. We will do the trucks. That is a plot. Someone set something in motion figuring Something Else will do it. That is a plot. It is a very large plot in a sense. The individuals involved are not necessarily involved with other people, but it is a scheme, and for them it works. If you walk down where this latest thing happened and look at the Freedom Tower and look at the memorial pools and see the names of all the people murdered that day, then you say to yourself, what do we do about the names of these people who got murdered on halloween . Where do we put that in our National History . That wasnt pearl harbor day. It was smaller, but not smaller to each one of those families and it certainly seems it will continue on. The way you can combat hijacked airplanes is, you can throw up tsa everywhere and search everybody and go through underwear and do all that. What are you going to do, vet everybody at home depot . I dont know how you defend against that. There was backandforth about whether this individual should be sent to guantanamo or tried in civilian courts. A lot of that came from the president himself. Devlin the Justice Department is basically plowing forward with its case and the fbi are plowing forward. To the extent they can, they have been tuning out that white house running commentary going on at the same time. One of the oddities of this whole thing has been first the president tweets, or says he should be sent to gitmo, and then overnight has a change of heart and says definitely keep him in new york and try him there. The whole time that is going on, the prosecutors are doing their case, fbi are doing their case , and the two things are not speaking to each other in any meaningful way. As much as the president seems to be all over the map as far as the policy issues go, this Straight Line of the doj and fbi seems to be clear at this point, that they are preparing for what could be a Death Penalty case, and that so far does not seem to be affected by anything coming out of washington or the white house. What about trying to find a jury that doesnt know what the president thinks should be done . Michael most juries would probably not pay any attention to what this president says. We are in the city of new york. [laughter] michael i think it was a great victory to have this guy appear charged as a murderer. Not as an enemy combatant. Of murdering innocent people. I think it is a victory. There comes that moment when the judge comes in, all rise. This guy will rise one way or another. The proceeding goes and hes going to get a fair trial. The jurors, in any city, jurors work at doing their duty. Most juries are beautiful things to see. This one of the great things of america, i think. Our response will be the right response. I would rather see him in Manhattan Criminal Court personally. I would rather have him in Rikers Island with some people who could introduce him what to do. I think it was a victory. The worst thing that could happen would be to send this guy to gitmo as an enemy combatant. All those years, 16 years after a man murdered thousands of people in downtown manhattan, he is down there dying his beard with koolaid. He still has not gone to trial. Thank you both. Thank you. Thank you. We leave you tonight with an interview charlie taped earlier this month with the iconic portrait photographer Annie Leibowitz. Her latest collection is called Annie Leibowitz portraits. Charlie tell me how, look at this, Annie Leibowitz portraits 20052016. Why this book now . Annie i have done over the years books that are works that are accumulated over time. I had a book in 1990 then did a book in 2005, 19902005. Those were the years i was with susan sontag. Over a year ago, it mustve been three months before the election and i was working on a show that was going to be at this brandnew incredible, this kind of brandnew museum of the world. It was my work from 19701983, which was with Rolling Stone magazine, over a thousand photographs. I saw so many images that repeated, history repeating. I was thinking of all the work it was august i was thinking of all the work i had accumulated since 2005 and i thought, you know, i should try to do an edit of my work now that would include the work i did on the updating of the womens project and the series on artists, and would end with Hillary Clinton in the white house. That would be my ending. Charlie that was your plan. Annie that was my plan. It was not an end, hillary and the white house was going to be a beginning. I put all the work together. It was actually fairly simple to do that because there was so much work from 2005. Charlie and then we had an election. Annie then we had an election. I was like everyone else, i was in shock. Actually i guess a week or so later i mean, i was very lucky because i happened to be with Gloria Steinem, the womens show was opening here in new york, and she was so incredible. I was very lucky to be with someone who had been through so much pain, seen so many things go wrong and sort of has come out of them. We were sort of Walking Around like lost sheep, not knowing what had happened, it was pathetic. So i actually told them i did not want to do the book. I dont want to do this. Charlie even though you had put a lot of work into it. Annie yes, yes, but i did not have my ending. I love my books because they tell a story of the time. It is a collection. Its what i dont get to do working for the magazines. The magazines are wonderful. They are luxury vehicles to take my photographs, but the books tell these stories, so charlie the story you wanted to tell was not there. Annie it wasnt there. I floundered. They said, come on, you can do it. I think the book falls apart towards the end. I really do think in the last 2030 pages you can feel not knowing where to go or what to do. I have was throwing everything in there. I shot kate mckinnon, throw her in. I shot oprah, threw her in. I shot springsteen, throw him in. We had to pick ourselves up. I tried to photograph people who were doing good things. Charlie one of the things you wrote is, i guess you could say they were years when the culture was shifting in ways we did not quite take in. Annie we didnt. We didnt. Charlie from 20052016. Annie i think when i think about this period, it is such a beautiful period because it was the obama years and he was such a great statesman and such an elegant man, and mrs. Obama, but my job is not just politics as you know. It is to look at us over all. We were thrown topsyturvy. Look at the photographs at the beginning of the book of the trumps. He is an amusing popculture character that became the president , then you have this great woman who shouldve been the president of United States. Charlie it still be wilderness bewilders people, doesnt it . Annie you and i have been alive for long time. We know we will write ourselves. We just feel this. I feel the womens march, which was really a march of humanity where everybody came out. Home ate and nine, night, have dinner with my kids. I go over to the tv set. I have the choice of am i going to see what trump did today or am i going to watch vietnam, which is incredible. Charlie a series by ken burns. Annie a brilliant series. Which Hillary Clinton and clinton interview and i going to watch tonight . It is just that i have to believe, i believe in us as people and i know we will and Gloria Steinem said this, that we are a movement, not one person. Charlie and america is an idea too, as bono said. America is an idea in the country, 200 years has gone here and here. Conflict and challenge. But you have been a witness to all of that. Annie it has been a privilege, to spend my life photographing our times, and i feel responsible. I will continue. I do think it is not about one picture or two pictures. It is a movie, a film. Charlie you and i have been doing a similar thing. Annie i thought that too. I think it is interesting you took yourself out of the studio. Charlie yeah. Dissimilar toot go on location and out in the field to see whats going on out in the field. Charlie we are telling the story of our time to the people of our time. You have said given enough time that you can find the essence of a person. Annie let me move in and i promise you we will find your soul within a few weeks. We will definitely have your soul. We dont have that amount of time. I dont expect that from people i photograph. Those really beautiful, incredible, soulful pictures are few and far between, but you can still document fairly well. Charlie you said the photographers life is really the closest to who you are. That is your signature. Annie photographers life, it is interesting you bring that up, because it was so important to me when i did it. When i discovered this story of knowing susan and my children being born and my father dying, there was nothing that would stop me from working on that collection of material. The final work seemed relevant to me. Charlie for all the reasons you have talked about and we have written about. Annie i came out of a photographers life, and as the years went on, i realized i wanted to work on my portrait work and i felt i let my family, my children, susan it was too vulnerable. I dont have a regret about it. I think it is very strong work. Susan said that photography interferes too much with experience, and i think that she could be right. She could be right after all. I wonder what she would say today about what is going on with our iphones. Charlie was there something missing from the photographers life that you thought should have been in there . Annie no, but the thing about being a photographer is that photography is the experience. That is what is interesting. Charlie photography is the experience rather than the photograph . Annie well, i knew when i was younger that all i wanted out of an experience was a photograph. I did not want anything else. Yes. So i dont think susan was wrong. Unless you are a photographer charlie going from artist to athlete to landscapes to whatever, is there something that unites them in your mind . Annie i do like to admire people and like to make points and like to tell stories. I think in pilgrimage, i had the opportunity i keep thinking of the picture that pops up is the storeroom in yonkers, which by the way a lot of the material was put in the basement and destroyed in sandy. Charlie when the water rose it went there . Annie yeah. Those photographs, the trunks and all that, they are kind of history now. I always wanted to photograph Martha Graham and never had the opportunity to do it. I found the remnants of Martha Graham in that storeroom. I walked in and everything was like that and i took that photograph. Her life in those trunks, you know. Charlie do you think of yourself as much journalist as you think of yourself as much photographer . For every bit of you as photographer, you are also artist, journalist, storyteller. Annie i have been doing this for over 45 years. Photography is broad and big and has many possibilities. It was interesting to look at the work from 19701980 because i just photographed everything i saw. Everything i saw it was where i was. I always had a camera with me all the time and was taking photographs all the time. It is kind of a Tour De Force , that work from that time, 20, 21, out there with the energy and strength to shoot like that. In the 1980s, after Rolling Stone, i went to vanity fair and tina brown was running vanity fair and trying to pull it up and bring it back and have it survive. I started, i had already started before i left Rolling Stone doing portraits, but the journalism hasnt left. The journalism is there. I understand journalism, but i left journalism behind because i felt strongly that i was going to have a voice in my photographs. And i felt that you are not supposed to do that with journalism. You have to stay objective. I then sort of said i am going to be a portrait photographer because it is ok to have a point of view in the photograph, but journalism is definitely there. When things happen so fast, that is journalism. I think when you have a little more time to think about it, it can become Something Else. Charlie it becomes art too. Annie the cover of the book is supposed to be biblical. Charlie this cover . Biblical . Annie yes, because it started off i wanted to work on a series on the bible. Charlie you mean the stories of the bible . Annie yes, and then it turned into she was probably the last person in the world you would want to be eve. Charlie when you see that photograph, what do you say . Annie i am impressed with her as a performance artist. Charlie i am too. Annie what saves it is that you turn it over, that is james franco. Charlie yes. Annie adam and eve, but it is a little bit off, just a little bit off, i hope. Charlie have you been influenced by the great editors you have worked with . Annie i have been so lucky. My life and my work started off like jann wenner. We were both young. He built Rolling Stone from scratch. You know, it was hunter thompson, tom wolfe, gonzo journalism. We were out there. It was amazing. Going from jann to tina brown, who had her own quirky way of looking at things and was fascinated with Popular Culture. Charlie how do they influence you . Annie she turned the magazine around. Then you go to great in Carter Graydon carter. Then anna wintour who understands Popular Culture and art and theater. Charlie how did they define you . How are they part of the definition of Annie Leibowitz . Annie after 13 years of Rolling Stone, it was hard for anybody to tell me what to do. Charlie i think its been hard for anybody to tell you what to do for a long time. Annie they understood. They were smart enough to let me go and find my way. Charlie and you were tough enough to be able to do it . Annie i love my work. Listen,w and then Something LikeCaitlyn Jenner, that is having the courage to run Caitlyn Jenner on the cover. Ydon does not come to the shoot and we dont talk about what it will be. Charlie what was his contribution . Annie that he has the wherewithal to run Something LikeCaitlyn Jenner. Charlie and i would say he has the confidence to trust you. Tina brown said to me that the definition of a good editor is being able to recognize a great writer. That is it. A photographer is a great writer working with a camera rather than a pen. Annie when she was working for the new yorker, she gave me the o. J. Simpson story and i was like, oh, my god. I remember watching it on the news thinking im so glad i am not there, then i get a call from tina and she says go out and shoot this. Charlie just go shoot it . Annie yeah, no one tells you. I had a hard time getting into the courtroom, i was trying to go the standard way with all of the, you know, getting into the pool, and the pool turned me down. It turned out this judge was a fan of my work and said this is my courtroom, she can come in. I just photographed shapiro, who was trying to work out something with oj, and all the rest is charlie here is the point. At what point did you shooting at, at what point did you become a star, so that the judge, the idea of having you take the picture. Annie i talk about this story because it is a turning point. It is kind of thankless to be well known and do what i do on some level, and sometimes it works to your advantage. That is the advantage in that particular story. In fact, it did help. You were in hollywood. You were in l. A. It helped and all those Little Things sort of mattered. It does not matter in the long run. What matters is your work, what you do, how you do it. It is perplexing to me to be well known about what i do, but i also have a theory because i worked for over 20 years in a vacuum. I did not really know people knew my work. The first book i put out was 19701990, and in 1990, people knew my work but did not know who i was. Charlie these were the Rolling Stone years . Annie yes, including Rolling Stone and the beginning of vanity fair. You know me. Charlie i do. I am still awkward. The last time i saw you, i said i am really nervous doing this. Charlie we have something to do here. Annie so i now i have children and it really does matter to me that i can present myself, present the work, and present what we do, what i do. And that really matters to me. I was so proud of this traveling global womens show that went around last year. Charlie because . Annie for my three daughters. Charlie because you wanted them to know how much their mother was appreciated and how much the value of her work was celebrated . Annie no, because we want to do good things. In the long run, we want to do things that matter, because why bother otherwise . Why bother otherwise . Charlie i couldnt agree more. Why bother, you know. When did you get to that . Was it the kids . Annie when i was young, i was very brash. Charlie you were born brash . Annie i dont think so. Charlie, i was not born brash. I was actually so naive, not was brightpid, but i eyed and i could not believe everything that i was walking into. Charlie you mean when you began with Rolling Stone . You were hanging out with the biggest rock stars. Nobody was really hanging out with them. I went on tour with the Rolling Stones. I hung onto my camera for dear life. Charlie really . Because it was your security blanket . Annie no, it scared the hell out of me. I took my tennis racket thinking we will stay in good hotels. I was so naive. Charlie but you got caught up in the lifestyle too . Annie i did get caught up in the lifestyle. Charlie did that almost and it for you . Annie it was bigger than me. I was basically stupid. Charlie when did you realize you were over your head . Annie i wasnt really, you i think after i got off the Rolling Stone tour in 1975, it took me a while to get off the tour, but i always knew i wanted to get off. It is not attractive. Charlie you were not addicted to the lifestyle . Annie no, it was, you know, when you take photographs and you dont have a life. Basically you are taking photographs all the time and you go from assignment to assignment, it was like something that fell between. Having a life is so important. Building a life, i did not know how to build a life and had to work on that. Charlie what started that . Susan . Annie susan was very helpful. I was determined to when i , i susan i was interested was in several relationships. I was waiting to see who called back. Susan called back and i was like, ok. I was like, well, theres a couple of things going on there. She was very and i kind of thought about this relationship with susan and thought, oh, god. This means i will have to be good. This will be about my work. That is what it is going to be. Charlie because she would not have it any other way . Annie thats right. Thats right. She is tough. Charlie she set a bar . Annie she definitely set a bar. She did not have to do much to set a bar. She was the bar. She was an extraordinary woman. If we miss her right now, it is because could talk about this time. Charlie she could define this time . Annie i dont hear anything anyone like that. Charlie when you are going through this process of living and doing, did you have anybody that was a role model for you . Was there somebody . Annie i Love Photography and admire photography. Robert frank, breson, helmut newton, the list goes on. Sally mann, i love sally mann. I Love Photography. I feel like i am an encyclopedia inside of this photography. It is so great to have it in your head. When i was photographing the queen and said i am thinking about cecil beaton, and she said , you really have to find your own way. [laughter] i was like very disappointed because i had based the shoot on him. Charlie thats great. It for a portrait . Annie yes, that was a strange, interesting painting. It was more crown then head. That is such an important point, just to bring up the fact that she sat. She really understands who she is in that respect. If she gives herself over, she knows she is going to be interpreted in so many ways. She liked that painting. If i were her i love lucian freud. That was a weird painting. Charlie so i think you have said this, and i hope you have. Annie me too the way you are saying it. Charlie you welcome age and learn from age. Annie i have said that. It is not talked about enough, how interesting it is. Charlie i do too. I really do. Annie it is really exciting. Doesnt mean you will necessarily take a better photograph, but you know what you are doing. It is great. I just love it. You know when you do something, and when you do something really, really great. Charlie has there been any diminishment in your enthusiasm . Annie no, because i am photographing people and every time it is a different experience. There are just different aspects to every single shoot. I push myself. One of the reasons i have gone through three or four studios in new york city. I have had a glamorous, big studio. I have on purpose, have just an office because i want to go out. I want to be on location, where the person lives that i can, have something to do with who they are, so it keeps it, it keeps it really, you know, interesting. I am into this. You also asked me about other people. All these photographers that i admire did it until they dropped one way or the other. That is really a great example. This is a funny example, but one photographer, 88 years old, has a room in an apartment in new york, comes down from canada every month and takes portraits. I am into it, you know . I am probably going to do it until charlie until you cant do it anymore. Annie yeah, hopefully. Charlie when you put this to get there, what part of it are you the proudest of . Annie i didnt expect to like it as much as i did. It was such new work. It was done so fast that usually i have more time, like 19701990. That was 20 years to look at something. 2005, it wasnt as long of a time to look at the work and really understand it. And we literally in order to get the book out, we had to put it together by the seat of our pants, the seat of my pants, and basically i was all over the place about what should go in or go out and how many pages. I did not want it to be so big. I wanted it to be a smaller volume because you cant pick up the book after a certain point. A photographers life is nine pounds. I kept waiting for some people to tell me to edit it. No one wanted to tell me to edit it. In the long run, your Attention Span no one looks at a book page by page. They go in the middle and find a spot, but in the long run, i am, you know, it was frightening for me not to have not journalism, but the more reportage type work. And just to pure portraiture. Which is why called it portraits. I wanted to be clear it wasnt a photographers life. All the books had different styles, and this is one style throughout. I am still trying to come to terms with it myself about what it looks like and what it is. Charlie when have you been the most vulnerable . Annie the financial thing was a long time coming. I just lived from the seat of my pants and just kind of went. I would do assignments and pay for them myself. I had no regard for money, had no regard for business, thought if you are an artist all the stupid things where you think you are not supposed to be engaged in that. Well that is completely not happening anymore. You get a good kick in your pants i have said this before, but if some white horse is going to ride in and save you, i just picked it up and work hard and understood my business so much more. Things are better than ever in that regard. Susans illness, i did not really understand susans illness that well. It was a great lesson about dying. Charlie what is the lesson about dying . Annie there are good deaths and bad deaths. Susan wanted to live so much. She did not want to die. I wish i had, i dont know if anyone could have helped her. She was so determined to live you could not talk to her about dying. I and not too sure that was right in the long run. The subsequent deaths of people who matter to me, like my father, they were beautiful deaths. My father died with my Mother Holding him, and my mother died with us as a family all around, so when someone first dies that is close to you, you dont know what you are doing. Everyone treats death so differently. I regret i did not know what i was doing when susan i thought i was doing the right thing. I thought i was helping her, getting her out to seattle for the bone marrow, you know, i was setting up people coming in and out and making sure she had everything she needed. Charlie do think you will find that kind of love ever again . Annie i am so busy between my children and work. You are not the first person to ask me that. It throws me. Charlie i know it does. Annie i mean, i honestly dont think too many people can put up with me quite honestly because i work so hard. I have my children. I love my children. I had no idea what it meant to have children when i have children. It is full on. Between that, if someone wants to jump in with that, i am interested. I dont know. Who knows. This could be a good way to take applications. Charlie thank you. Annie thank you, charlie. It is so good to see you. I mean that. Charlie thank you. You are watching bloomberg technology. President trump is embarking on his second overseas trip as president in a tour that takes them through five asian nations. The president addressed reporters before boarding air force one. 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