Appreciation of someone i had the pleasure knowing. Muchow him was to know how he loved his magazines and how much he loved his editors. Come here askim to well as his brother to talk about what made him a unique kind of leader. I want to begin with the family. Tell me about your dad, about coming here as an immigrant and what he did and how it led to this remarkable media empire. His mother and father were immigrants. They settled on orchard street, 23 orchard street. In an born in 1895 orchard street tenement. Restaurant chinese equipment company. I also visited the tenement museum. It is really an interesting experience. His family moved at an early age. Father was the oldest of eight children. His father was somewhat weak not atlly and often home. Was the father of his seven siblings. His mother was a strong woman. My father went to law school at a time when you did not have to have a College Degree to go to law school. Went with degree and a law firm, and the first assignment was to close a newspaper in bankruptcy in new jersey. , told his employer that he can make more money running the newspaper that he could make closing the newspaper. His employer said you have one month and he never looked back. Charlie what was that newspaper . Bayon bill young times times. The paper became available on staten island. He told his employers at the law firm that he should buy that paper, and my father wanted to buy an interest in it. He would not buy the paper, so he waser took money that going to spend on his honeymoon and bought the paper, so instead of going on a nice trip to europe, he went to neither falls. Charlie there is a story he had a chance to buy later the new york yankees, but turned it down to buy a newspaper in syracuse. He had a choice of three things. This was in the time when hearst was in a bad financial condition. Could have bought the lancer journal, the Syracuse Herald journal, or the yankees. They bought the syracuse hurled journal. [laughter] [indiscernible] [indiscernible] s. I both worked in the family business. Then magazines came into the picture. Before that we had been a Newspaper Company up until 1948 when my father bought a television station in syracuse and began buying television stations. In 1957, we had the opportunity to buy a stake in a Public Company which was conde nast, which he did buy. It remained a Public Company for a while and then he bought out the stockholders and took it private. Charlie it is said that s. I. Love to magazines. You are the newspaper guy. He was the magazine guy. S. I. Was working at the star ledger in new york and i was working in jersey city at the time. When my dad bought conde nast, s. I. Went to work for conde nast , my father allowed him to and he went to work for glamour as a salesperson, but he had an instinct for magazines. I was demoted from jersey city to newark. [laughter] charlie d saw the rise of magazines and the coming of the internet age and the impact of the digital revolution. He did. Or 1958to work in 1957 in the magazine world and stayed in it and i continued working in the newspaper world. Cable programming and television. This coverage became a part of the group. One of my cousins was in the cable business and have the johnight to join hendrickson that discovery. Charlie let me open this up. What was it that made him special with respect to magazines . His passion for them. He just loved magazines. Were living, organic things. They were always in flux. He loved flux, change, change, change. He said to me on a number of occasions, if i had my choice what to do with my life, i would have wanted to be a film director or magazine editor. You would have thought he had the opportunity to, but he had us, so he didnt need to. Charlie he was a quiet and shy man, but he celebrated his editors. He chose people he thought would have a dominant impacte. He was like an old hollywood mogul in that sense. He had his stable of editors, and they were his stars. He loved to seeing them thrive and in the limelight. He loved reinforcing that. It gave him pleasure, a sense of thrilling accomplishment when one of his editors was being celebrated or the magazine had a huge surge. He was also supportive when it wasnt going well and which is more important. ,hen i took over the new yorker it was a hard battle. I never felt for one second he did not have my back. He was the only person i had to please as far as i was concerned. I felt confident he would stay with it, which he did. Know, there was never an impulse towards editorial intervention. Something, he would call up and say this is a great it. E, but he never badmouth that was not his idea. I sold my first piece in the new yorker to then came to work for tina after being at the Washington Post for years. I would occasionally shake hands with this guy, very quiet, but i did not know him as a writer. Him,would tell us about and you got the feeling that 90 was true. The 10 where tina would say he stuff, i wouldtoug think that cant be true. Then this job fell on my head and i started having lunch every couple of weeks. In so far as he would ever comment on anything in the by commenting at all, even after publication, he thought he was overstepping and it was not his prerogative. What he would say is i really liked something. The undiscovered jewel, that great paragraph, that wonderful headline, not the noises. Seek that out. He did read the magazines cover to cover. Red glamour, self, and gq. Charlie the lunches, s. I. Wanted to talk about art, films, and gossip, not about the business. Thought the new yorker had a rough time economically, then finally got back into the black thanks to a lot of effort. It is a group thing. It happens. Excitedly, here we are. Thats good. About a minute of discussion about that. That was it. Then it was off to the races. I am not naive. The man was a businessman, a very careful businessman, ofnted ads and was mindful what was going on in these businesses to the last detail, but with his editors he wanted to encourage a sense of magic. I often thought of him as the wizard of oz in some ways. Tina he had a lot of wisdom. I very rarely asked s. I. What i should publish. There was one piece i was very, very worried about. Ross, who was also his mistress for years. It was the best kept secret in town that she was with sean. Billy and i had become close. She asked me for input to write this piece about the great love affair with sean. I went back and forth. On one level, it is an amazing literary scoop. It being in hand, seans magazine, knowing he would hate it if i did. This is been troubling and i asked s. I. , what do you think . He said sometimes decisions that are very hard to take should not be taken. [laughter] tina i think about it often. Storye you tell the there was a time when you were doing something controversial. Right off the bat i had an investigative he six weeks in and i did not know what to do. I had never been the editor of anything except for a High School Newspaper. A High School Newspaper called the smoke signal. I have this piece that was accusing everybody of everything and was well documented, well sourced, lawyers, checkers, all the things did new yorker has , and ile to thank god remember at the Washington Post my previous experience that ben bradley, heroic ben bradley, had a rule called the no surprises rule. He would call the proprietor and say we are going to publish the pentagon papers. I hope this is ok. There is a watergate scandal going, just so you know. I called s. I. And said we have this piece and on the phone and there was a long silence at the ,nd of the phone, really long like unnervingly long, and he said finally, that sounds very interesting. I look forward to reading it. Thats it. Thats it. That is the last time i ever called him. Not because we didnt have all kinds of conversations, but i never even sent him the pieces ahead of time, never dreamed of doing that, except for his own entertainment on the weekend because it was already being printed. That kind of editorial independence. Charlie let me talk about each of you coming to the new yorker. You cant get more legendary than he was. How did that transition happen . My coming was some kind of weird thing that took place. I will start with the first time i met s. I. , which mustve been the week he bought random house. Bernstein,l from bob president of random house, saying the new owner is in the building and i would like you to come down to meet him. Room wasonference bigger than yankee stadium. I said sure. I am very dressed up. I think i was in khakis and sneakers and a tshirt in a ratty sweater, so i said fine. I went down and knew nothing about s. I. I said this is going to be interesting. I come in. There is Bob Bernstein and s. I. , and s. I. Is sitting there and sneakers, khakis, and even a ratty cardigan. I said, this will be all right. So then we started seeing each other every once in a while. About books,iews movies, etc. , so we get together. Then he started to talk about veryusiness, which made me uncomfortable because Bob Bernstein was my boss and a good friend. They were not made to be together. They were both terrific, but bob is a schmoozer, this and that,. I. Would be expressing his thought to me and i did not know what to do. He made it clear he wanted me to take that job. I made it clear that was insanity because he did not want newo be deciding how much warehouse footage we needed in maryland. This went on. After he bought the new yorker come he started asking me about it because i was a lifelong reader like everybody. He started asking me about various people like billy. He wanted to know about jonathan schell. I did not know. I knew about three people. Feel that he was moving potential as a successor to sean, so he finally braved it and said, would i be interested. Of course i was interested because i had been interested in it all my life, the new yorker, but also because those getting really tired of my job. I said there is no point in discussing this because as long as he is there, he cant be replaced. From everything i know, he is not going to say ciao baby and walk out the door. This went on for a while and it made me educated and i said to him we have to stop this discussion. I dont want to hear about it or think about it again and tell and if it becomes available. By then you may now want someone my age. It was fabulous, wonderful. 10 months later he called me in my office at lunchtime because he knew i would be there because i dont go out and he said, can i come over and see you . I said sure. He rushed into the most excited i ever saw him and said, mr. Sean has resigned. I said, he has . He said, yes, yes, and started to tell me the sequence of events. Knowing what i knew about sean, convinced he had resigned. Version was the same as s. I. s except they did not hear the same thing because sean said to newhouse, you know sean, passive aggressive. He said, would you be more comfortable if i retired sooner rather than later . And said, yes, definitely, he said good, thats fine, thats good. S. I. Took that to mean im leaving. Sean took it to mean i will go on with these postponements from here to eternity, but by then it was agreed. Tina partings of the ways were not really s. I. s strong suit. It was often a mixed message. , howie when he decided did he decide to make a change . It took a long time. For the first couple of years he was happen. Every time i would do something remotely dramatic in the magazine, he would be thrilled. You can see he was less and less enamored, then he started to talk to me about changes, not specific changes, but what was my view. I think not have a view because i am not a magazine person. I did not understand magazines the way he did. Was an of the new yorker anthology of good work, so i knew how to put an anthology together every week, but i had no new vision about how the magazine should go. More and moreg it uncomfortable. Then we spent about an hour walking on the beach in florida. He was very clear about what he wasnt happy about and made it clear he was starting to think about change. I said ife, because im taking the job, these are the conditions, that you dont surprise me. I dont want surprises. He said i do promise. I said also you have to promise me that which you want for me is what i can do, which is make it better what it is. I cannot make it into something other than what it is. Charlie you have been successful at vanity fair. What he wantedde with you and new yorker because vanity fair is a different publication. Tina it was very organic and went on a long time. We were talking about the new yorker for the last 34 years at vanity fair. I was ambivalent about wanting to leave because i had young think a and did not weekly would be the right rhythm for the family at that time. We would talk about it. He would raise it. He would go away, come back. Time would come by and he would dormant. Ine , i had been at vanity had for 8. 5 years and taken it from 250,000 to 1. 1 million. A littlewas getting bit restless i suppose, but he came in one day and looked at me and said, the new yorker, just the way he would do things. I would say, yes, s. I. And he would say, do you read it . I said yes, of course i read it. He said, what would you do with it . Than it was very interesting. It went very fast from what would you do with it to win are you starting. My vision of the new yorker was of therent modernization magazine, which is what he thought it needed a theft point because the demographics have changed and it needed a new readership. Is s. I. Here. This is your wife. This is s. I. s wife. Thats me. Charlie thats you. And s. I. Died of the same illness. Yes, they did. They died of my wife was diagnosed in 2003 with dementia caused by degeneration of the frontal lobe. First to start having speech defects and we thought susie was maybe having strokes. Went to gerontologist. He was an expert in the field, fortunately. Diagnosed a dementia, a progressive dementia, which means it can only get worse. All dementias can only get worse. It affects your ability to speak and to understand speech. Slowly. Downhill i became her principal caregiver. In the seventh year he was 2010,sed in 2000 in she had a psychotic incident and had to be medicated and she lost all ability to speak or understand speech. She had personality changes, which happens with the frontal temple degeneration and she eventually had Movement Problems and was wheelchairbound and needed caregivers, to caregivers, 24 7. Shelie the irony that have the same condition to somebody not related by blood. S. I. Was supportive of me and the family. Lost the ability to care for herself and had to have caregivers i felt that the only way i could make sense of what she was going through, what i was going through, was to see what i could do to help prevent other people from suffering from this kind of disease. Acquainted with an Organization Called the association for frontal temple degeneration, which works with families and people who have. His dementia it finances research and it increases awareness because there is very little awareness in the general population has to dementia. To finance with s. I. s Approval Research in this disease. Died,ar before my susie was diagnosed charlie he knew what was coming. He knew what was coming. We all knew what was coming. There is no clearer. There is no prevention. There is no disease modifying treatment for any dementia. Population, as science increases longevity, the incidence of dementia become greater. 65 yearse population and over will have a dementia. 75hird of the population years and older will have dementia. And 50 of the population 85 and older will have dementia. Dementia is very costly. Charlie good for you for what you are doing. Everybody who can see this broadcast and who is sitting at this table seizure great commitment to bring more attention to this. The way that donald took care , victoria newhouse took care of s. I. And they shared a marriage i told her yesterday that if my wife loves me half as much as you do ham, i am a lucky man. Charlie i can add to that. I live in a village we inhabit in the summer. It was a wonderful side. Site. At the marine every day on the every day onarina the weekends, we would go across the bay and sit on the beach and read and watch the Atlantic Ocean come in, then come back. Thats an image i cant [indiscernible] charlie for them, this is not the hamptons. It is a very wonderful, to onee, small back of the central qualities was the fact he understood what made editors great and backed them up and supported them. Others wanted to be here this who would sitre at this table, so i thank you for coming. You made this very, very special. Us who knew s. I. , our great sympathy. Thank you. Sally quinn is here, a longtime journalist and columnist for the Washington Post. For 30 years, she was married to the great ben bradley. Candidlyook reflects on her quest to find a deeper meaning in her life. It is called, finding magic, a spiritual memoir. I am pleased to have my good friend sally quinn back at this table. Welcome. Sally glad to be here. Charlie you say you wept throughout writing this because it brought back memories of good times and bad. Sally i had signed a contract to write a book about my religion website for the Washington Post as an atheist, then i could not write it ben had dementia and was failing, so i just took care of him. He died that i thought i have to write this. It was so fresh in my mind and so painful, so i sat down and wrote about his decline in his death first. It was the most painful thing i have rooted in my life. I literally cried the whole time i was writing it, but it was cathartic. I needed to do it and needed to get it out. That was going to be the beginning of the book, but then i thought i dont want to show ben that way. Charismatic, dynamic, energetic, swashbuckling, and i wanted to introduce him that way in the book, so i talked about how i first met him and was dazzled. And you wrote the secret love notes. Sally he put them in his book and i scratch them out in the galley and put them back in without telling me. Charlie tell me about meeting ben. Sally i met him because i had been offered a job as the head of the Editorial Board and he took me into meat ben. T ben. He was the editor of the paper and 20 years older than i was. Me thee editor fired next day because he said i was overqualified because i could not type and file and he wanted me to be a secretary, so a year or so later i got a call from ben. He said im thinking of hiring you to be a reporter. I had been the social secretary in washington and so i went in and i had been offered a job. I was a theater major in college and had been offered an acting job that same day, but i thought i will go in. There is no way he will hire me. I went in with my little white gloves and we had this immediate connection. We got into this barring bantering thing and i thought i was really cheeky. I was really pushing it, but he seemed to like it and enjoy it. Session, hef the said, can you show me something you have written . I said ive never written anything. Perfect. Obody is you are hired. I went out and covered my first story the next night. Four years later we were going to miami to cover the republican convention. We were seated next to each other by the Washington Post travel people on the plane down. It was a very bumpy flight and i kept grabbing him. Say i fell in love with him in those two hours. There was much later when we got together that he admitted that he at fall in love with me too. Charlie in that first meeting . Sally on the plane. It was on the plane that we both fell in love with each other. We could not get together. He asked me for dinner tonight, then called and said he couldnt because he had to take a bunch of reporters out. Then he asked me out for a drink the next night. Charlie was he married then . Sally yes, he was. Anyway, he asked me for a drink and i said yes and then we got Hotel Flamingo bar at the and all of our friends were there and we both just left. That is when i started writing those little notes. He never got it because he had no idea. Charlie he never figured out it was you . Only no, and i would write them in reference to exchanges we had in the newsroom , but it was right in the middle of watergate. If you have seen all the president s maam, you see men, you see him come out in his bathrobe because he is afraid his house is, the phone is bugged and they are being followed. There was just no way. I told one of my friends at the paper that i was in love with ben. He said you cant do that because if he responds to you, you could destroy the paper and the country because he would be blackmailed and it would be a disaster. He said you have to put your country first. I know it sounds crazy, charlie, but i was an army brat. Duty, honor, country. Oh my god, i have to put my country first, so i laid off and got a job on the cbs morning news, the same job you have, the First Network anchorwoman in america. I took the job because i knew i had to get away from ben. I knew he was married. I came back and said, which you take me to lunch . I rehearsed my speech and we got in front of the Chicken Salad which we couldnt eat and i said im leaving because i am in love with you and cant stand to be around you anymore. I thought he was going to say, there, there, there. He said, i am in love with you too. We had a remarkable life together. Had a remarkable life together. Of thewe did not come closet until i started at cbs, and that was a catastrophe. September, then we were together 43 years. Charlie what did you love so much about ben bradley . Sally there were a lot of things. I think he was the most authentic person i have ever met. He was so dynamic. He had so much energy. He was so enthusiastic. He was so optimistic. He was washed buckley. Somebody swashbuckling. He always looked for the positive. This is unbelievable that in the 43 years we were together i never saw him depressed once, never. I would get upset, and we have a child who had open heart surgery and outly died come in of the hospital for 16 years. He was sad and worried, but he did not get depressed. There were times where i would just lie flat on the bed i was so wiped out. Charlie he loved everything about you. He just loved you. He was bemused by you. You made him laugh. Sally i made him laugh. He was always very funny about me. Sometimes i can be overthetop the top and say things that are outrageous. He would say, jesus, sally. But he really loved it. I was at a dinner party recently and i said something completely outrageous and David Ignatius said, jesus, sally. Is back. En thank goodness you are taking bens part. Charlie take me through the last year and a half of his life and you had to take care of him and he became a different person. Sally i basically gave up my career and did not do anything and took care of him. He was forgetful. I had to get him dressed every day. I had to teach him to brush his teeth. I had to get in the shower with him because he did not know how to take care of himself. He joined a group called the friends club, a bunch of guys who had dementia. I took him the first day and he held my hand like this all the way through, just wouldnt let me go. I felt like i was taking my child to nursery school. Charlie they can also be cruel for you. Sally charlie, he had these blackouts, psychotic episodes where he would destroy things in the house and not remember any of it. He got lost all the time, but the best thing about it, not the best, but the luckiest thing for me was he never did not know who i was. He always knew who i was. Ness. Er lost his ben he could be confused and not be able to carry on that conversation, but he would have that spark and he would tease me. Up until the very in. End. He would get up in the middle of the night. They called at sundown in. When he got the medal of freedom, you have to go to the white house. Saidarned in august and you cant tell anybody. He had forgotten you cant tell everybody. Until november, he would get up at 3 00 in the morning and get dressed. I would doing. N, what you he would say i have to go to the white house and get my medal. I would help him get back into bed. , we went the next year to st. Maarten for our valentines day vacation, and i thought he would not be able to handle it because he could not handle conversation very well, but we would just sit at the table hold hands and drink wine and he said this is the happiest week of my life. I dont ever wanted to end. I was in bed with him every night until he died. , i last words he said to me said i love you, ben, and he said i love you too, babe. Even after he had faded away and lost his consciousness i would have to get up. I only left him to go to the bathroom. Every time i would leave him i would say, ben, im going to the bathroom, so dont die. Our wedding anniversary was on the 20th of october and i said to him, ben, you cant die on her wedding anniversary, so he waited until the next date to die. Charlie you talk about washington too. Kay graham comes to mind as a hostess. Important people would be there. It would be a signal that you had arrived in washington. Same thing was true in a different way with the kinds of things that you and ben did. Who does that now . Does anybody . Its gone . Kyt was the publisher of the Washington Post and have this grand house. Charlie you have a grand house. I would dois to say the heads of state and Foreign Ministers and president s and kings and you and ben have the fun people. Charlie the journalists and the rest. Sally i said that sounds like a good deal, so that is what we did. It was always exciting and fun to go there because there were always interesting, fascinating people and everybody wanted to go. Y wanted to meet somebody, she would call up and they would calm. It was wonderful to be at her house. She is a great hostess. Charlie how is washington today . Sally it is totally toxic. Charlie no social life to speak of . Sally not really. I said to somebody its like breathing Carbon Monoxide and its killing you but you cant see it. It is the most poisonous atmosphere i have known in my life. 4 of the people in washington voted for trump. Charlie 4 . You have the rest of washington being antitrump. He feeds on this. He ran against washington. When you run against washington and you become president , you are washington. If you look at all his cabinet, its about clean up the swamp, but look what has happened, five cabinet ministers have argued been shown charlie used private planes and the rest. Sally spending government money. The white problems is house is the center of power, so access is everything. Never went out, ever. I dont know anybodys house they went to in eight years except for their close friends. They were not part of the washington scene, but the people around them went out, so you had some sense they had access to power. One of the great things in washington is people he went back to delaware. Sally he did, but he knew people. One of the things that has been so vital about washington is having people in the congress, senate, administration, journalists, diplomats, military , have been get together and know each other. That is one of the bigger problems now, no one knows each other. It is easier to be vitriolic if you dont know them, so that is what is happening. The other thing with the Trump Administration is nobody lasts very long, so all of the wouldbe social climbers are people who would like to have access power or completely helpless because they dont know k upto stock up to suc to. It used to be there was this kind of thing going on where people would be, they would go to industry parties and see somebody. Charlie that was true with bush 43 . Sally with everybody, except for this administration. Wilbur ross goes out occasionally and Kellyanne Conway will go out occasionally, n will go out occasionally, but generally you dont see people in this administration go out. People dont necessarily want to talk to them, want to be part of them, want to invite them, want to see them for dinner. There is an italian hangout people like to go to in washington. Its called cafe milano. You know the owner. It is a wonderful place. They have great pasta. Franco is the owner of it and is a friend of ours. Charlie celebrating its 25th anniversary coming up in november. Sally i just got an invitation. Franco is always there, wonderful personality. Word got out among the white house people and Administration People that cafe milano was the hot place in town, so suddenly they all went there. You would go there and there would be big limousines and cars with light flashing. Theres a private room called the domingo room. The secretary of state had to be in there. He had to put glass so you cannot see who was sitting in the domingo room. I think wilbur ross was there one night and secretary tillerson was there. Rupert murdochs lawyers or something. At one point, i saw that everybody in the restaurant was going to stand up like in casablanca. I think that one of the problems is that people who are in this administration, who are part of this administration, are not the he ran against the establishment, but they are part of the establishment. Charlie now. Sally they were. They were all part of the establishment. Every single one of them is someone trump ran against. I think one of the things that people in the rest of the country dont understand is that very few, i cant think of one of the top of my head who are in the administration, represent the trump voters. They just dont. So that is what is so baffling to a lot of people. Trump said at one point, i hire billionaires because of what billionaires because i want the smartest people charlie his connection to his base is strong. Sally absolutely unshakable it seems to me. Was one story recently. Oprah have this interview on 60 minutes where she talked to these people and one of these guys said i love donald trump and i love him more every day. He is my guy. Thatnk one of the problems journalists have, and i see this every day in the paper, and you do to when you read the columns and all that, is that everyone is reduced to listing the atrocities. He did this. He threw paper towels to the people in puerto rico. He put down the woman mayor and people are dying there. He mocked the disabled person. They just keep piling up in piling up. After a while, it is just all noise because it doesnt matter to the people who really like him. So i think journalists are reduced to listing i mean the New York Times for instance has aboutole editorial page all the terrible things that trump has done. Charlie you mean by colonists or people who write letters to the editor . Sally im talking about the lead editorial in the New York Times. Charlie i see. The opinion of the publisher. Sally the opinion of the publisher. I think journalists and columnists get stuck in this rut of saying, oh my god, he did this, he did that. This is terrible. Aboutily beast talking how people can talk themselves into mindfulness and wellness and get over the trump rage. Writingple who are today, and im not talking about print journalists. A lot of people when trump talks about the media and a lot of people dont distinguish between editorial writers and reporters, and there is a huge difference. Reporters report the news. Editorial writers give the opinion. Theof the things about opinion writers is that it is really hard, i dont see many people trying to figure out an antidote to this, or how to fix the problem. Charlie that is your next book. Sally well, maybe i will. Charlie thank you. Thank you for joining us. See you next time. Yvonne seven a click a. M. In hong kong come alive from bloombergs asian headquarters. I am yvonne man, welcome to daybreak asia. Of green,ecting a sea thanks to earnings and optimism about the global economy. Further cementing president xi grip on power. I am betty liu in new york where it is just after 7 00 p. M. Tuesday. President trump calling for a new push on tax cuts. Also, holding up whole on the next head of the fed. Tesla under attack from capital