Have been by the things you say . All i can do is be me. I have to be me. If im not me, im not being true. Im a very honest person. I have to be who i am. People like what i say. Mark you are picking fights with people like john mccain. Im not picking fights with people. John mccain picked a fight with me. John we have had a rare moment of bipartisan unity on this issue. From the left to the far right everyone is rallying around john mccain and trashing donald trump. My question is, in the end, will trump survive . Will he may be thrive, or will he take a dive . Mark we are waiting for some polling to find out. I dont know the answer to this one, except i will say, someone who liked trump before this, i cant imagine this is what is going to turn them off. With all the outrageous things including the Birther Movement it doesnt seem to me this will break him. John there were a lot of republicans afraid to take on trump. A lot of the establishment criticism doesnt matter much to him. Veterans are a big part of the republican base. Some republicans who like donald trump are veterans and also like john mccain. Mark Rush Limbaugh defended him today. There werent that many staunch defenders of donald trump. I do believe that elites can accurately judge this cute while there are some veterans who will be turned off we have to wait. Trump is not at 40 . He is at 16, 17 . The percentage may stick with them. Also in iowa, scott walker did three days of barnstorming, and he did some interviews. A few of his aunts got noticed such as when he was pressed by danna bash on whether being gay is a choice. Walkers reply, i dont know. In plainfield iowa, walker was confronted by an undocumented immigrant from wisconsin and told the candidate that he and his life his wife live in fear of deportation. That exchange on the part of the family got somewhat emotional. Walker remains in first place. Are these moments reflective of a problem with the candidate skills or are they mediadriven flaps . John i dont think they are just mediadriven flaps. He has put in his mouth just as donald trump has for a variety of issues. These are partly putting foot in mouth in terms of how hes handling them, but they are also part of his relentless focus on iowa and wanting to make sure no one gets to his right in that state that is crucial to his nomination. Mark the bush and walker campaigns are in a two on iran and whether walker is being to rash and saying he might take military action the first day. I do believe one of walkers on her ability is donors and other elites wanting to know, is he major league . These flaps. I think he handled the immigration thing not horribly at all john you never want to leave kids in tears on camera. Mark this question of surefooted replies john is he smart enough to be president . He is clearly a winner. He has had Great Electoral success. But is he bringing enough . This is something the republicans are asking. You know this is a question out there. Mark they are asking, is he sophisticated enough to handle the tough questions that come from the press and public . John sophisticated and smart or sometimes codewords for each other. Mark maybe, but i spent time with him in iowa. He is a great retail politician. He is so confident, but i do think on this iran thing, hes going to have to prove to people he is sophisticated enough to not be president but to beat Hillary Clinton. John you can be against the iran deal without being the bombbomb iran got. Bill de blasio wants to put the brakes on over. The company is fired back im mocking him in its app and a campaignstyle negative ad assault. In case you think this is a new york issue, let us remind you that jeb bush and marco rubio songs ubers praises, while Hillary Clinton took a swipe at the ondemand economy. Is uber destined to become a 2016 wedge issue . Mark jeb bush knows where he is on this. Other republicans, rand paul and others its up to Hillary Clinton to say what she wants to do. This is a classic case where a lot of people in the country dont want the government involved. John unions and incumbent industries are afraid of huber and airbnb and these new companies. Its easy for republicans to be for it, because they are for the free market. Its a wedge issue because it puts Hillary Clinton in a bind. She wants to be seen as the future, not the past. If shes on the side of the unions, shes not that. Mark a conservative is a liberal who couldnt find a cab and used uber. The market is so powerful in all of these areas. Its the kind of thing that multidemocrats like a Hillary Clinton in knots because of the pressure. John the argument uber is making, youve got a lot of africanamericans, hispanics who cant get caps, they can get huber. Mark conversations with ted cruz, scott walker, and martin omalley. First, this word from our sponsors. Mark i know you are a tireless guy, but are you ever in a bad mood . You get out in crowds like this, and that is where the energy is. You cant be done when people come out. Mark do you miss your undead . After a while, you forget what it even is anymore. Mark that was part of my conversation with scott walker in ohio. Walker is one of several 2016 hopefuls i spoke to in the Hawkeye State including texas senator ted cruz. Earlier saturday after the trumpmccain controversy we caught up with the texas senator in ames. It was truly a lights, camera action moment. The setting was a dressing room. He and i started out talking about the president s he has met. You know both president bushes. Have you ever met any others besides present, president clinton, president reagan . I havent met president clinton. I saw a Ronald Reagan speak at the 1992 convention but i never met him. That is one of my great regrets. Mark obvious obviously, being a senator is a qualification for president. Talk about anything before you rent for elected office you feel helps prepare you in terms of experience or temperament to be president. Before i was in the senate, i was the solicitor general of texas, which is the chief lawyer for the state in front of the u. S. Supreme court. Thats an executive position i held fiveandahalf years. During that time, over and over again, we led the nation fighting to defend conservative principles, winning on a national level. We defended the 10 commandments monument on the State Capitol grounds. We went to the u. S. Supreme court and won 54. We defended the pledge of allegiance, the words under god, and won unanimously. Mark all that has prepared you to be president how . Because it was walking the walk and defending conservative principles. I think the central issue in the republican primary is trust. Who can you trust . The problem we see all the time, what i Call Campaign conservatives, which is candidates on the campaign trail who say they are terribly conservative, and yet they get elected and dont follow their campaign promises. Everyone of us should ask any candidate showing up, you say you believe in these principles . Showing show me. What have you accomplished . As the scripture says, you shall know them by their fruits. Mark tell me other president s and traits and they had that if you were president you would like to emulate or try to match. You obviously started with where i would go first, which is reagan. He was my hero. There are many other president s who are admirable. Certainly, Abraham Lincoln mark what about lincoln . Lincoln endured enormous pressure as the country was ripped apart, and he had a piece and clarity and consistency and moral vision. I will give you another example of a president. George w. Bush. George w. Bush, when he stood on that pile of rubble after 9 11 and told the greeting people across this country, i hear you and the terrorists who knocked down these buildings are going to hear you soon. Mark what was the trait that he showed there that you would like to have as president . Strength, clarity. That touched our souls. He stood strong when america was under attack. Mark in the wake of iraq and afghanistan, i wonder where the country is on the use of American Military force overseas. Often in Foreign Policy, it gets framed as a binary choice. You are either a hawk and want to invade everybody, or a dove and are terrified to use military force. I think americans are in a place in between. I have described my foreignpolicy views as a third point on the triangle, very much along the lines of Ronald Reagan. Number one, the president should be a clarion voice for freedom, that the bully pulpit of the presidency is powerful. If and when military force is required it should follow three principles. Number one, it should always be directly connected to vital u. S. National security interests. That is the touchstone. Mark what is an example of that in the last 20 years . Let me finish the principles and i will come back to that. Number two, we should use overwhelming force. Number three, we should get the heck out. Its not the job of our military to transform Foreign Countries into democratic utopias. It is the jump to hunt down and kill our enemies before they murder americans. Mark what is a military action in the last 20 years that fit those principles . Let me give you two examples of where i wouldnt and would consider military force. Where i wouldnt is syria. Shar assad is a monster who has murdered hundreds of thousands of his own citizens, women and children, and yet the enemy of my enemy is not necessarily my friend. The question i kept asking the administration was, if the military attack is successful and you topple assad, and the hands of al qaeda or isis how does that make us any safer . Radical islamic terrorists who would use them against americans, europeans, israelis the administration had no coherent answer to that. I opposed direct military force. Let me give you another example. Iran. I think the single greatest threat that this country faces is the threat of a nuclear iran. I think the Obama Nuclear deal is a catastrophic mistake. It is my hope that congress in the next 60 days stands up and stops it. Thats going to depend on democrats deciding that they are willing to push National Security and the lives of millions of americans above partisan loyalty to the white house. Mark there is no military action you would say, that met the threepart test . There is no doubt going into afghanistan after 9 11, after the taliban, was justified. The initial military action mark were there any military actions from start to finish that needs of the threepart crews test cruz test . There havent been that many military actions in the last 20 years, but i will say this. Winning the cold war this is where reagan understood piece through strength. Mark one other topic, and we will be done what mr. Trump said about senator mccains service, do you have any problem with that . I will tell you what i think of john mccain. John mccain is a friend of mine. He is extraordinary American Hero. I am proud to serve with john mccain. Mark you feel so strongly about that senator rubio called what donald trump said offensive ramblings. Your former governor rick perry said, get out of the race. Not asking for you to repudiate donald trump as a person. Im trying to understand what separates you from the others who feel this is beyond the pale. I will happily tell you what i think about john mccain. I will happily tell you my views on any issue if you want to talk immigration or obamacare. Im not going to engage in the medias game of bashing another republican candidate. Mark some people say the reason youre not doing it and havent been critical of his comments is because you want to make sure that if he gets out of the race, you are able to win the supporters he has now. Is this a political calculation . Im not going to go into the gutter of personal attacks and impudent character. I do think policy distinctions are fair game. I will talk about differences, whether it is on amnesty or common core or religious liberty or marriage or life or any other issue. That is what is supposed to be the bread and butter of politics, but im not going to engage in personal attacks or impugning character. Mark its a matter for you for policy and french of and loyalty . My view on john mccain is unambiguous and explicit. Even American Hero and a friend. Im not going to take a stick to fellow republicans, or for that matter, to democrats. In my time in the senate, i havent interviewed the character of republicans or democrats. I dont intend to start the day. Mark thanks very much for joining us. Our thanks to senator cruz. A new abc news poll puts donald trump on top nationally at 24 scott walker with 13 , jeb bush with 12 . We will be back with martin omalley. Mark now my conversation in cedar rapids on friday night with maryland former governor martin omalley. We started off talking about his parents and grandparents. Governor omalley my dads dad was a poor leader on the north side in pittsburgh in a neighborhood called manchester during the years of Davey Lawrence as governor. They met in washington splicing together a Young Democrats newsletter. Mark were they very liberal democrats, more moderate, or what were their politics . Governor omalley my dad and mom were both catholic, both very progressive in terms of social justice what we would today call social justice. In their day, they called it common sense economics. My dad went to college only because of the g. I. Bill. Those were my parents. I guess it was in college with Ronald Reagan i worked for gary hart from colorado. I traveled across the state, all through southeast iowa, and i saw voters really do care about issues. They really do want to meet the candidates and they are capable of processing a lot more thought and information than we sometimes give them credit for. In iowa, they are never intimidated by big money or polls. That really opened the door to me and made me think, this can be done. A person can serve without being bored born a millionaire. Mark was gary hart the first president of candidate you ever met . Governor omalley my mom says i was at a Hubert Humphreys rally. Mark you dont have a distinct memory . Governor omalley no. Mark talk about how you met him and what made you think he would be the best president. Governor omalley i went into his Campaign Headquarters in december of 1993. I take that back, december of 1982. I read a lot of the thoughtful stuff he was writing. He was talking about the fact that our times are new, our challenges are new, and our thinking and ideas have to be new in order to deal with challenges and make the country stronger. The more i learned about him, the more impressed i became at the thought and ideas that were the substance of his candidacy. He was written off three times before his first amazing distant secondplace victory but he always kept to the north star of putting forward ideas that would serve our country. That is what impressed me. After working for senator hart, i worked for senator mikulski and ran for city council myself. Mark for the last generation or two, we have had this question of what americas role should be in the world. Iraq and afghanistan have left it in a place where people are wondering, are americans going to be willing to centrics overseas . Send troops overseas. Where do you think we are . Governor omalley i believe we are in search of a new story that make sense of our fundamental principles in a world that is very different from the 1990s or the cold war. I believe americas role in the world is to lead by example with the rise of a global middle class. The way we do that in these times is to create a Foreign Policy that is more about engagement and collaboration and in National Security strategy that seeks new alliances to identify threats and to work with other nations to reduce them before we are backed into a corner where it seems the only response is a military response, american boots on the ground or not. For example, one of the things that preceded the failure of the nationstate of syria and the rise of isis was the effect of Climate Change and the megadrought that affected the nation wiped out farmers, drove people to cities, created a crisis that created the symptoms rather, the conditions of extreme poverty that has led to the rise of isil and extreme violence. The pandemic in west africa there are many instances where behind the turning radius [indiscernible] mark are you as good of a president ial candidate as you thought you would be . Governor omalley im learning every day. Mark what are you learning . Governor omalley you hope every day you learn something. I recall somebody once saying to me in the course of not this campaign but another campaign he said, i look for the ability of my candidates to grow. What he meant by that is he wants to see candidates constantly questioning intellectually curious and recognizing that they are also human beings and have to constantly learn and bring together smart people that can help make the best decisions. Thats what ive done 15 years as an executive. Mark there are hard moments running for president , physically and emotionally. What do you rely on . Family, faith. What else . Governor omalley what else is there . Mark are those the two bedrocks . Governor omalley family and faith. My wife katie and my four kids ive been very blessed. Its come to us as a gift. I certainly have a great family and i do take time to make sure i stay centered and come home safe and make sure i take some time for fathering. Its one of the first things you lose in any campaign. You lose solitude. Without that solitude, theres no time for reflection or prayer or creative thought. Mark lets say you dont win, possible. What would make this experience a success even if you dont become president . Governor omalley i would hope that all of us that choose to run for office do so because we believe we have something unique that is needed at this time in our countrys history. Once we make that decision, the choice is up to the people. Mark our thanks to martin omalley. Coming up, john kasich meet shia labeouf. I cant believe we got talked into doing this. You will see it right after this. John at this moment, there are two things you need to know. One, john kasich has been thickened about running for president. Two, shia labeouf made a green screen motivational speech that can be applied to any scenario. Our producers put two and two together. Let me ask you about where you are in this timetable . Are you interested in running . When might you make an announcement . If i think i can win, im likely to do it. Do it just do it there is plenty of time for me to decide. Within a period of time, i will make a decision. Just do it if i get in, and i win, it will be great. Make your dreams come true if i run, it will be zany. As he know, im probably going to have a big announcement on the 21st. Mark tomorrow live in Columbus Ohio at 11 00 a. M. Eastern. Alix we are moments away from the closing bell. Im alix steel. Joe i am joe weisenthal. Alix stocks closing just under a record level for the s p barely holding on to its gains. Commodities take the spotlight. Joe the question is whatd you miss . Turn around big blue . We are watching apple. Will it be another win or a miss . Alix the nasdaq is the story in