Transcripts For BELARUSTV 20240702

To make peace, and we do not see arms deliveries bringing us closer to peace, so we stand by our decision not to supply any arms to ukraine. Ladies, in turn, belarus proposes to hold a summit to discuss the Security Architecture of the eurasian space, as well as develop a diversity charter for the 21st century, details and conferences. And another voice of reason slovakia stops allocating military aid to ukraine, no weapons to kiev, this is the position of bratislava, the countrys new Prime Minister also said robert fitz noted that members of the previous government of slovakia need to be brought to justice, because of playing along with washingtons military ambitions, the slovak army was in a deplorable state, definitely the position of bratislava on the issue of ukraines accession to nato has become negative, because this will entail a conflict between moscow and bratislava, and will also increase escalation in the region. The lewiston shooter is still at large, and hundreds of officers, police and fbi forces are involved in the search. Let me remind you that a mass shooting occurred in a restaurant, then in a bowling alley, in a small city of forty thousand people in the United States. 22 people died, more than sixty. Were injured, the identity of the terrorist has been established, this is fortyyearold robert cart, a firearms instructor weapons and a member of the us army reserve, who also has health problems, he was recently placed in a Psychiatric Hospital for a period of 2 weeks, but where were the authorities looking if they did not confiscate his firearms after that. Investigators and experts honed their skills and work in combat conditions with. The forceful support of the armed forces. In modern conditions, it is important to act quickly and efficiently, as the white puddle and participants in the maneuvers showed at the training ground. According to the plan, the cadets of the military academy must carry out the liberation and cleansing of the populated point from the saboteurs who captured the village, while ensuring the safety of the residents, after which investigators began inspecting the scene, traces of the crimes of the gangs of the formation were seized for evidence in court. And already on the spot, the head of the Investigative Committee of belarus noted combining efforts allows us to achieve optimal results, interaction between departments improves efficiency, by the way , the criminologists of the Investigative Committee of russia provided theoretical and practical assistance to our investigators and the military at the training ground. My colleagues will have more information at 15 00 on our broadcast. All the best. On the air, a weekly sociopolitical talk show is essentially today in the center of our attention such a concept as cognitive warfare , well known to our opponents, but little known to the general public in our country, what it is, how to deal with it and is it even worth it, on the platform are our competent experts, but as always you can become participants in the discussions, there is a qr code at the bottom of the screen, please point your Smartphone Camera at it and join the discussion and broadcasts on youtube, well, in the lower right corner there is a link to our telegram channel, where you can find out more about what is happening behind the scenes of that. Show essentially. In the studio, as always, Kiril Kazakov and alena syrova. Hello. Good evening. Well, lets immediately define what cognitive or mental wars are. This seems to be a topic that, well, people with a very high, very specialized education should discuss. But in principle this does not concern us. It turns out that this is very concerning. And these same cognitive wars even. Nato methodology are already being waged, they are being waged 24 7, and the most important thing is that the weapon in this war is any person who opens information on any social network on their smartphone, you wont believe it, but in fact the substitution of concepts, its very simple, lets take that the same ukraine, just 10 years ago on may 9, it was a holy holiday, but now its just a date, and may 8 became a holiday, and if even earlier. In the soviet union, those who liberated ukraine were heroes represented by the same ukrainians, but now the heroes there are completely others, you know, there is bandera avenue in kiev, now he is a hero , this is called the civilizational war, when for 10 years you, as if not noticing how this is happening, suddenly begin to understand that you have a completely different attitude towards that or another, well, like stories, things and events that happen around you, the two main ones are platforms that are weapons of cognitive warfare, this is media, you find it here now, the second is education, lets talk about that, igor, so uh , in your opinion, ive been preparing for the program for a very long time i tried to understand when belarusians began to feel this very cognitive thing, secondly , how to resist when they began to feel it, i have a strong. Well, opinion that they were constantly, in general, trying to change the meanings in our lives, its just that with the development of media and technology , this has all accelerated significantly, and the scale, well, not tragedies, but problems, they have increased significantly with the development of social networks, all the information platforms there, and so on, and it seems to me that the further this process goes, the more this problem will get worse more acutely, because new technologies create new tools to change these meanings in us. The union collapsed, this is the story when cognitive war was still able to replace the concept, soviet man with man of western civilization, yes it could, and yes, this is an example of cognitive pressure, cognitive war, because at the moment, the biggest problem for the country that is subjected to such a cognitive attack, this is our own silence, because, well , in my opinion, there were problems in the soviet union, there were many achievements, but there were problems, about problems. It was not customary to talk, because its impossible , someone elses agenda bursts into this vacuum of emptiness, in complete emptiness it fills the mind, heart, thoughts, people about what is most important jeans, chewing gum, and so on further, no, well, lets just say that he bursts in first under a very plausible pretext, voicing, among other things, the same problems, yes, and the person begins to think, yeah , that means there is a rational grain there, listen, or maybe be good, Something Else, theres silence, then hes left with only one option, im talking about a person who is subject to media influence, not all such people, but there are many such people, with the development of technology there are still many more people who make superficial conclusions, well, kiril voiced one of the platforms this education, yes, vladimir matveevich, i have a question for you as a military man, and as a person who is related to military education of different periods. After all, power universities, and these are educational institutions that educate people of a certain, well, caliber, with a certain set of qualities. And, uh, i, of course, am not a very immersed person in this area, but it seems to me that, in principle, the officers there are from the times of the soviet union. Sovereign belarus, but in terms of some basic human qualities and values ​​that are brought up in them, they do not differ, this is how it works, maybe i m wrong, if so, then correct me, how do you manage to resist this influence from the outside, because teachers too people also communicate with the outside world, plus young people too, they also wear jeans and buy chewing gum, in social networks. You are absolutely right, the core that the officers had in the soviet union was preserved, moreover, it was preserved even in the early nineties, in the early nineties, and the generation that was then the Army Commanders and department heads, thanks to them it was not possible to finish off army to the end , a revival began in 1994, but when we speak, now the terms have been introduced into the political discourse hybrid war, information war, cognitive war, mental war, conscientious war from the latin word consciousness, i always come to mind, remember, in my house, i ask you not to express yourself, a classic of soviet film comedy and yet, 25 years ago we published several materials, they are in scientific sources devoted to the socalled concentration war, what is it . This is a war weapon, correspondingly, which affects the consciousness, there are very interesting works by doctor of Psychological Sciences yuri gromyk, gromyk, well, your humble servant, several of these, and 20 years almost before they started talking about it in regarding cognitive and mental wars, we called it a concentration war, and how to destroy consciousness, starting with damage to the nervebrain substrate, how to poison the air, for example, or drugs, up to the elimination of the personality as such, the occult transfer of thought forms to the target of destruction sounds, well, exotic and so however, such work is underway. Dissemination through Communication Channels of images that destroy the functioning of consciousness, in my opinion, about 15 or 20 years ago, in japan, after watching a cartoon, about 150 children fell ill with schizophrenia, schizophrenia is a split consciousness. Now they will tell you, this is all a conspiracy theory, its all too complicated , we ourselves have come to this, we ourselves have evolved to certain values, this is not a conspiracy theory, it is no coincidence that the pope. Advised catholics around the world to watch soviet cartoons, because they are kind, especially the films of the sixties, this is also one thing, colleagues , firstly, we have somehow shortened the history of mankind, the soviet union, quite recently, we started with the fact that started, at first there was a word that the bible says, all wars are for resources, territories of the sphere of their interests, how to justify why we will drown babies, Burn Villages near vadim, experts write that the war, the war for territories for resources, went on until 14th year, the First World War broke this consciousness, wait, wait, it went on, just one second, ill explain once again that there was always a struggle for minds and brains, because its easiest to control the masses who are united by some idea what unites muslims, the ability to die for god, whether you understand it or not, is like a cross. What are the crusades . It was the development of territories, the seizure of resources, the enslavement of peoples, but it was called that we gave civilization, so there is always a reason, there is a reason, we must tell the truth, you know, if we want to talk at least a little about the essence of the processes, naturally, in many concepts, ideological, religious , etc. , there is a lot of humanism, in many ways there is an idea, but often these ideas are generalizing, they are often also destructive. Therefore with you have to be very careful with this, and absolutely correctly, a colleague says that just over time, approaches to this , especially take the intelligence services, there are entire scientific works, there is such work, the old soviet one, its own intelligence, its called, yes, how simple it is starting from coding, zombification, persuasion, suggestion, working with a person, with an audience, any event can be written for you in different ways, and any media can, for example, zelenskys tour to europe, present either how it enjoys the support and love of europe or is being asked all over the world, yes, give the appropriate sound background, picture and there will be a completely different perception , so we are being manipulated, what our citizens need to understand, most importantly, ill finish so that you dont interrupt me, yes, so ill explain, we need to understand who works in your interests, everyone manipulates you, all the media, there is no media that does not work with your consciousness, but who is the most motivated, the attitude of belarusians, so that you live better, we are belarusians, ourselves, our media, here we are they lied to you that we had to close in covid and die of hunger, we worked in our own way, we were told not to build a Nuclear Power plant, we were convinced by all the competitors, i dont call them enemies, it was simply unprofitable for them that a competitor would arise and have cheap electricity and will supply to their market, so they convinced us , so how to cleanse yourself, first look at the prehistory of this or that. With you, if you see that you have been told for hundreds, decades, that there are scammers, now in recent months, these scammers have become more frequent in media. On the phone, well, listen to this, this is already a negative experience, or if you see that what the official, well, position told you, more or less coincides with what happened later, or the authorities are motivated to ensure that the course is normal, the economy was developing, peace, order, etc. Were maintained in the country, which means that these media , at least in some ways and manipulating information, work in the interests of the country, vadim, and what you said is all for a thinking person interested in what analyze information, again, the world has transformed to such an extent that a person no longer needs to look for it, for the most part , it has become possible to convince any citizen that it is enough to open the first resource that comes to you, you will Read Everything there, no need you need to compare some facts there, this is also the result of many years of work that was carried out, well, i dont know, its an ideology or someone elses call it or. Cognitive war unleashed against us, Andrei Petrovich, well, if colleagues they say that for many years, and even 20, 30, 50 years ago, this was all clear, obviously, and the wellknown phrase that you want to defeat your enemy by raising his children, yes, thats where it comes from, this is from the same place, why we, well, somehow didnt get our bearings in time, didnt close it on time , information, they deceived us and you that we had to close during covid and die of hunger, we worked in our own way, we were told dont build an atom. The station convinced us all the competitors, i dont call them enemy, it was simply unprofitable for them that there would be competitor, will have cheap electricity and will supply it to their market, so they convinced us, so how to cleanse yourself, first, look at the background of certain messages about working with you, if you see that you have been talking about it for hundreds, decades that there are scammers, these scammers have become more frequent in mass media in recent months. On the phone, well, listen, this is already a negative experience, or if you see that what the official, well, position told you, more or less coincides with what then happened, or the authorities were motivated to ensure that the course was normal, the economy developed , peace, order, etc. Were maintained in the country, which means that these media, at least in some ways and by manipulating information, work in the interests of the country, here is vadim , and what you said, this is all for a thinking person who is interested in the fact that analyzing information, again, the world has transformed to such an extent that a person no longer needs to look for it, this information, for the most part, has become possible, to convince anyone citizen is that it is enough to open the first resource you come across, you will Read Everything there, you dont need to compare any facts there, this is also a result in the interests of the country, and what you said is all for a thinking person, in that in order to analyze information, again, the world has transformed to such an extent that a person no longer needs to look for it, this information, for the most part, has become possible, to convince any citizen that it is enough to open the first resource that comes across, you have everything there read it, you dont need it there to compare some facts, this is also the result of many years of work that was carried out, well, i dont know, its an ideology or someone elses. Call it or a cognitive war unleashed against us, Andrei Petrovich, well, if colleagues say that throughout many years, and even there 20, 30, 50 years ago, it was all clear, obviously, yes, there is a wellknown phrase that you want to defeat your enemy by raising his children, yes, this is from the same place, then why us, well, just in time they didnt get their bearings, they didnt close it in time, its constant, it all exists, that is, it constantly affects these same people. That is, it doesnt matter, you dont have to declare a cognitive war, its constantly going on, of course, well, if it were a war and a confrontation, of course it was , what does this include, they have already gone further, this is nato, today they are talking about conducting multidomain wars, multidomain wars, well, a domain is a sphere, so they are fighting in five fundamental spheres, land, sea, air, space and cyberspace, now the sixth, and cyberspace, in all of this they believe that there should be two components, this is the physical component, where kinetic weapons are used, yes, the second is just the cognitive component, that is, it permeates all these spheres, this is not a separate domain, but this is a domain that, this is what the sphere affects all of these very elements, and this is clearly defined in all legal acts, and this very cognitive war that we are talking about, or cognitive confrontation. Everything includes several elements this is an action in the informationcybernetic sphere, this action in the social sphere and action in the psychological sphere, and the main thing is to the right. Well, we understand, society, a person acts in society, he exists there in this society, and the impact on this society on a person, it should be first on consciousness on the subconscious and emotions of a person, and emotions are highlighted separately as the most effective sphere in which one can influence, that is, a person must constantly experience guilt, fear, satisfaction and so on, the most important thing that always paralyzes consciousness is fear, you need to intimidate a person, so we see what is happening there and between today. And often , why do we say that the physical and cognitive, they must act in combination, if they act separately from each other, you are unlikely to be someone you will intimidate, because they exist to be afraid, when a rocket arrives, they begin to be truly afraid that there is nowhere to hide today , look, Andrei Petrovich, ill just try to explain once again what cognitive warfare is, sometimes this influence is through advertising, commercial advertising, very often the customers of Cognitive Research were transnational corporations who. Wanted it to be bought all over the world, that is, in fact , humanity had to leave its national characteristics, buy the same powder, drink the same lemonade, and in fact people indeed, in this way they bought the same cocacola, bought a certain shampoo, but at the same time, here we were, when we saw this in the soviet union, we bought it, we thought that we were reaching for freedom, this is cool, i have a question, well, how would there are certain ones, and now we can have not very smart conversations about the fact that if you are a liberal and western values ​​are closer to you, then you have, in principle , succumbed to this cognitive war, but if you are, well, a traditionalist, a conservative, and somewhere else, as you say, domostroevets , you did not succumb to this war, alexander vladimovich , tell me, we measure the influence of the west by some sociological research, we have some kind of attraction to the european union, to america. Or is this again such talk for the poor . Yes, sociology it allows us to measure the relations and potential Foreign Policy orientation of the population, well, you can ask this question, this is what you think, with which states or with which geopolitical regions is it beneficial for us to continue cooperation, strengthen relations, but in our opinion, again, that is this may be some kind of onetime piece of information that can change, then later take on the forms of some kind of dynamics, but in my opinion, the most important thing is. Such an important category that can distinguishing us from the west is, first of all, value orientation; again, we recently conducted research at the institute of sociology that relates to the value orientations of the population of belarus, this is a threefactor structure, a threefactor structure that determines the value consciousness of our population, this is health, family and children, that is, it is family values, health, it is the fundamental constructors that can even somehow bring us from western countries, again, the same celebrations of family holidays, putting some meaning into them, the population was asked this question, this is how you prefer to celebrate certain holidays there, state, national, yes, first of all, in the family circle, in your circle, where we have such communication, communication between, if we look again there is the same western, western idea, the same ideology, this is, first of all, individualism, propaganda of some kind of individual behavior and so on. Here is some kind of idea of ​​opposition somewhere then there yourself to society, in our case, in our opinion, here are sociologists, professional ones, that after all, our society, thank god, that it is healthy, it is collectivist, it is traditional, but it is imposed, right, yes, it is imposed, we understand that lgb values, they are imposed on us, whatever one may say, we are trying to force some kind of legislation and through the culture of mass consumption, even american production, we will always see, yes, that one way or another the plot revolves around something that i dont know, to on july 42 something is timed, someone is going somewhere, someone is is going somewhere there, someone is meeting sometime, and just like there, it just recently caught my eye, and the usual pink one, which is called melodrama, but in the center of the plot there is a military man, it very subtly tells about that yes, now you guys are in iraq, but then you will go on and serve your homeland to protect its interests in other states, im in iraq to defend the homeland of the americans and i smiled so much the film, by the way, is quite old, that is, it is obvious that what is happening, and what is being broadcast here in this mass culture , it is slowly preparing, well, public opinion, we , unfortunately, do not use this tool, it is somehow ignored here, and what we are talking about is about emotions, about value. And about some basic points, but for some reason we dont defend them, as if, again, speaking about cognitive war, we must say that the most obvious thing lies on the surface. Things are lgbt nazism, two things that we they are trying, this is what lies on the surface, regarding the fact that we are not protecting, im just explaining, so that you have a resource to protect, you need to control financial flows and resources, those who have more money, control of technology, technological superiority, they have a greater opportunity, alena, other films are being made now, today there should definitely be a transgender or person suffering from disorder. Sexual desire, preferably a couple of people with disabilities, and accordingly, well, i can say differently, why do we need our different tv viewers, and there are also racial and other aspects, today a beauty contest is a must some man who has shaved well and put on a wig should win, these are the ones we have, but this is how you will impose, the belarus film will compete, the bridge film, what kind of sales we have there, but we are trying to defend these values ​​on our territory , starting from the history of the formation. Of our state, now they have made a good film, well done, yeah, ending with issues related to values ​​​​and so on, but you understand, today they, everything goes, remember, everything comes from the economy, the economy allows you to have in superiority in technology, in armed forces, allows you to influence who has the money, money, the fight for money, power, territory, everything, Everything Else, methods of seizing territories and peoples. And so on, thats why its true, then they tell you, there is a reason for any event, theres a reason, theyll tell you a fairy tale, its bad there , theyre offending someone, thats the reason, but whats the goal , geological influence, seizure of territory, thats all, therefore, in this case, this is what we are talking about, ill finish, alena, we need to develop the most efficient economy possible, a Strong Economy that will be competitive in the external market, attractive to third countries, so that we can unite, we have resources, resources will allow us to strengthen our military power. And compete technologically, but i have a question, who will develop your economy, only we can develop it, nikolaevna, but tell us about our very values, yes, that we are talking about, they are enough to survive, really, well look, i say again, our tv viewers must understand one very a simple thing, that any war, whatever you call it, informational, mental or any other, is a war of meanings, the task of our opponents or aggressors, is to make us a spiritual chernobyl, you know, we now, our state is Holding Together thanks to you and me, people, those who watch this program today, family values, family, they must understand a very simple thing, that today the image of meaning that is formed with the help of information about we all have access to information, this is the means of this very war or information confrontation, i agree with my colleague. But thats not all , worldview, worldview and worldview, these are the three fundamental things that we actively have and operate today, these are our foundation, traditional values, absolutely right, a traditional family, i emphasize, not Something Like something, but a normal father, strong and courageous, an intelligent , beautiful, economic wife, is written down in the constitution, that is , there are very interesting fragments here, but thats not all, colleagues, this is the top and you and i we are talking about the mood of the minds today, this is what moves our country and makes it independent. Who will defend the country, our country, our land today . You and i, our children, grandchildren, greatgrandchildren, my grandchildren and my children, because they were raised on the basis of traditional family values, thats what Svetlana Nikolaevna is talking about, can i ask you a practical question, we open the belarusian instagram, we find it. For example, a page of a girl who posts almost every day how she drives an expensive car, drinks champagne and talks about how she is flying to the maldives, at the same time igor tur talks about how the president gave him a bag of potatoes, how to convince people that a bag of potatoes is cool, but there is no champagne and the maldives, well, its not clear at all whether there were maldives, aldive champagne doesnt matter, but it works, this is it, this is the story, you know, this is the story that it is. This is important, yes, this is the material basis that, but this is the attitude of the individual to that reality, understand, there is a psychological war going on here, that is, how to colleagues said, they are counting on our mentality, on yadrona nikolaevna, sorry for interrupting you, but lets go back to the base, kiril gave the example of the soviet union and advertising, and jeans, pepsi, coke and so on, what seemed to us , well, to the inhabitants of that time. The fact that having this, we become, as it were, better and more progressive, it already began, you know, then, so thats why , why we dont have it, i dont know, ill explain the most important mistake, you cant just spiritually moral sphere compete, i explain to you why the soviet union collapsed, because you sang anthems, wore ties and dreamed of yugoslav boots and stood in line for 10 years for a car and could not build an apartment, so there must be an effective competitive economy, a competitive, efficient level. Life in the country and at the same time the right values, its impossible to say, of course, vadim, well, lets make it all mutual , thats why the union burned on hypocrisy, i tell you again, on hypocrisy, i remember it all, on hypocrisy, because there was a club , of people, those who could afford it, those who traveled abroad, those who were at the regional committees and so on, the rest sucked their paws, thats all, its true, so i lived well. Yes, the fact is that even remembering that time, the First Priority was those workdays that were, that is, what we did, our family, everything is the same, i will not say that vladiovi gave an example, he said that an officer of the soviet union, an officer of independent belarus there, i ll talk about military people now, but people didnt run, despite the fact that it was bad there, but they left for. In the nineties, but there were very small salaries at that time, but people remained, and the technical equipment was, to put it mildly, not very good, which means Something Else was holding them, and this is not obviously fear for the loss of your job, let me also support my colleague regarding the sphere of meaning, because everything is correct, all wars are based on the sphere of meaning, and not just economics, not just economics, because what is happening now, if we talk about the same soviet union. Yes, Nuclear Weapons remain, but there is no state, there is no state, so the problem is in theory, the problem is in sociohumanitarian content, the problem is that in the sixtyfirst year the previous leadership committed the most terrible treacherous, which means, in essence, an action when they adopted the cpsu program to catch up and overtake the United States of america in consumption, the best minds in europe on this matter said what you are doing, you are ahead of the rest of the planet, except for one thing. Consumption, but it will automatically grow, well, thats it but it won because there wasnt enough chewing gum and jeans, you know, well, there wasnt enough, its when they proclaimed not the highest values ​​and so on, because the sixties , remember, this is, uh, when that generation of the sixties, it went to explore the virgin lands, it admired the loon , they sang songs on mars, they will lead the apple tree, and 30 years later, these sixties it was already a different mentality, yeah. And why did vladimir gastyukhin break akudzhavas record . It was just 2003, when the shooting of our own parliament and ninetythird, ninety the third, yes, ninetythird, ninetythird, when the parliament was shot and that means, some people said that they felt aesthetic satisfaction from the zalpytankov economy, and the economy is also very important, gorbachevs mistake does not say why it collapsed. Economy following the example of china, taking into account the fact that bad oil prices were tied in the wrong direction in afghanistan, then they incorrectly withdrew troops into the field from germany, there were many mistakes, but most importantly, it is impossible at the same time, without building the economy, having a weak economy, to start political reforms, thats a mistake, you see, now before we go to advertising, and advertising, as we remember, is a weapon of mental warfare, ask the tour the same question, how can you defeat the confidence that a good life with your sack of potatoes from the president this is mayot and mozyrati, so we have already won, i believe that it is impossible to defeat the illusion of a problemfree, cheap, wonderful life with a sack of potatoes and there is no need to try to do this, despite all that is unconditional. For me a bag of potatoes from the president is much more valuable than a trip to dubai, but i agree with because economics is still critically important for meaning, what the western model offers, cool, a lot of money, we get high, relax, for this we need a lot of money, accordingly, when we promote our narratives about values, family, and everything, we must also talk about the fact that in our coordinate system you can also be financially successful, maybe this is it. The fact that he explained to everyone present that he understands the concept of strategic projects, in my opinion, this is a very necessary step at the moment, because often, the expectation and reality of how the assigned tasks are completed do not coincide precisely because the one who gives the order means one thing, and the one who implements this order understands how in his own way, returning to our topic, to the fact that Andrey Petrovich said in the first part that our comrades from nato have very precise definitions, i have a question maybe somewhere our problem of not succeeding in this confrontation is connected in some moments with the fact that they themselves have problems with understanding, now, even here, everything is with if we ask what everyone puts into the concept, traditional values, spirituality, everyone will name something different, some will coincide, some will not, but in principle we understand different, but there is no clear general definition, why there is, well, look, firstly, did you notice how the first part of the program went, we were purely on the defensive all the time in this cognitive war, we were defending something, we were waiting for someone it will be. We have already given the initiative to the enemy even in our transmission, but there are two components, one is defensive, and the other is offensive, influencing, so the same thing is supposed to be in this cognitive war , if we have such, we dont use such terminology, i say it again, it is borrowed, yes, it is philosophical in many ways, we have such an understanding as information warfare, this is an integral part that provides one of the spheres of national. Security, one of the eight, well, in the future, of the nine spheres of national security, this is information security, thats exactly what it includes, this information confrontation has two directions , one is we influence the enemy, and the other is we protect our people, our population, the list of decision makers, Everything Else, it simply cannot be otherwise, what we concede in some technologies, you know, well, probably hardly, well, i still say, we have a psychology that we must defend ourselves, we do not act proactively, we gave the initiative, unfortunately, only now after the twentieth year we have come to a true understanding that in you wont have to sit out the trenches of this war. Look, Andrei Petrovich, i agree with you that we really have a ministry of defense, we have a defensive position, we really are not trying to attack anyone, but it seems to me that we have nevertheless taken steps towards cognitive warfare , well, for example, we opened the borders for our. That is, we have such a story, we really do some things that are starting to irritate everyone, you are right that after august 2020 we simply became maybe you should be a little more serious about the fact that, well, as they say, if you agree with everyone, its like youre. Weak, as soon as you start saying something, well, they immediately begin to disrespect you, for one moment so as not to be missed, first, an incorrect assessment of the Current Situation leads to incorrect actions, what happened in the twentieth year, and we at the level of the head of state discussed the fact that we are losing on the internet, that officials start their day on the wrong sites, today i promise you today we have a significant technological gap; we do not control a number of platforms. In terms of satellites, we need to significantly strengthen our efforts, now, thank god, russia is launching a new satellite, a number of other points, so we need to understand where we are stronger, for example, hypersonic weapons, now the russians have shown a new missile there, well done, etc. Where we are lagging behind is precisely the introduction of cognitive warfare, hollywood has much more coverage, social networks, all american, are practically there vkontakte is lagging behind, okay, vadim, we state this, so the question is what to do, we need to understand this and we need it today. Its right to create products, this hightech park, if we were able to create our own viber, because we created it, we could create vkontakte, telegram, heres a person who left for another country, to have millionaires who will not lose this money here, will invest, will create a product that on the world stage, whether you understand it or not, needs to be done, so we created the product rube, it is a competitor today, thats exactly what look at how on youtube they influence us and limit us, its still not like our platforms, we have our own space, if we remember the friday meeting, the head of state said that there are some officials there, for example, ministers , who submit reports that are not entirely truthful , to put it mildly, in order to present themselves in the best light, when we talk about the war for meanings, there is a very big temptation to slightly embellish the power of the weapons that we actually have, and embellishing for relatively speaking reports to the top, after a while to believe it, we have newspapers, we have radio, we have something on the internet. And here it is important to understand who we are deceiving, by deceiving someone else, we can easily prostate, in cognitive war the concept of propaganda is when you create conditions and, lets say, push to action, cognitive war, when a person himself does what he wants someone once told me that he is doing the right thing, here from propaganda, sorry igor, there is nothing left, because many people actually put effort into propaganda, but they they really understand, they study the social masses, society, some group of the population, but here you simply open the phone, it says to you, everything is bad in belarus, and youre like, yes, everything is bad, and theres a march on the street in 1920, well so it turns out right here that all social networks know more about us than we know about ourselves. Of course, we wrote all this down there, so we get this situation in which they begin to manipulate us, with the help of these social networks, if you dont think that none of you act from the outside, which means they are working with you professional, dear colleagues, we say that we have a state Education System that educates everything, people, parents, teachers, everything that happens around you, you understand, yes, roman mivay, here you are in the studio, man, who operates with facts, yes, we are all about philosophical meanings here, we understand perfectly well that some , well, lets say, pushing belarusians to commit crimes, but somewhere, of course, it starts at a young age through cartoons, and somewhere very tough, go blow it up, this is also an element of cognitive intimidated in advance, tell us about it, i absolutely agree with you, indeed, one of the forms is cognitive. Impact on the minds of our citizens, this is precisely the form of such a cognitive war this is when people are convinced to commit crimes, well, for a just cause, yes, for a just cause, we have already brought it to the attention of citizens many times, unfortunately such things continue to happen facts when citizens receive calls on their mobile phones, convincing them to take out a loan there or sell an apartment, and subsequently, money are deposited into some accounts, and after a person, well, he finds himself in a situation, either they didnt give a loan, or he deposited money into a bank account and still hasnt returned it, he receives an offer to take some radical actions, in fact, people are involved in this illegal activity, well, really using radical actions to set fire to blow up, right, here, here in the topic of our today. Its precisely this impact on the psychology of a person, he is convinced of the need to commit some actions to show either their importance, to attract attention, or to deceive, to lead him into deceiving him and so that he commits some illegal actions, motivating that this is some kind of investigative experiment or some kind of test, convincing that a person will not incur any responsibility for this, look, well, maybe i dont follow the reports very carefully, but i dont remember that in the last few years, there were five or six years ago, but the same scammers called, you then scammed money out they also asked to go set fire to a car, for example, the day before my colleague in her material talked about such a case, now the closer to the electoral campaigns, the higher the degree of this and. Political and military tension outside our country, the higher the degree of this blackmail, you see, before they only extorted money, now they are pushing their own citizens to commit crimes, that next year there will be even more of them, i will say that this is probably a cynical approach that criminals use when working with our citizens, because these are the actions that our citizens commit under the influence of deception, buildings are set on fire , car windows are broken, they film it on mobile phone cameras, and accordingly, as proof of the commission of these actions, they throw them over to their socalled curator , subsequently, the curators uh. These videos are posted on their telegram accounts, well , criminal ones, and with these videos they begin to promote themselves in front of each other, look how i deceived such and such a person into such and such crime, no, and then they can lay out that the belarusians are coming and beating, i dont know, the glass is setting fire to your guards, and so on and so forth, well, of course, as a certain tool, as a lever of influence on the masses, as on the psychology of people, it can of course be used, but at the moment we are talking about the fact that this is being done for the sake of a certain pr, but of course, if there are people who are ready, under the influence of deception, under the influence of some kind of psychological influence, to commit such actions, this gives us reason think about the fact that, well, this is an alarming bell that it is necessary to work more with the population and warn them about such forms and look, we are talking about crimes and it also touches on the fact that the closer to the elections, the more tense the society, lets say, is such a concept is precisely in the cogni theory of the social laser, when some problem, well, relatively speaking, through the media, the focus of attention falls, and the group somehow begins to produce very large ones, i dont know, write there, call, that is roughly speaking, they rock the boat, there is such a concept in the west, the index of human happiness, in our country it is measured, like an index of happiness, an image of the states contentment, this is how you look at where and how problems can arise in belarus, or you have some kind of crosssection. Regarding wellbeing, wellbeing, yes, there are different categories of sociological issues and different approaches to this dimension, this is, of course, a feeling of one s material wellbeing, confidence in the future, but there is also one such component, what we are talking about today they said, among other things, that all this has, as it takes the form of a war of meanings, a very important question is the personal selfidentification of the person himself, that is , precisely the feeling of pride in his country, the feeling of. Patriotism, in this regard too there is an interesting trend, that is, what does being a direct citizen of the republic of belarus mean to you . Of course, there really are very high marks this is an indicator of having a passport and a citizen, as a form of selfidentification, but the next category is knowing how to respect the history of your country, and directly, when exactly there is respect for the history of ones country, its knowledge and pride, because again, those memorable dates, memorable holidays, in fact, these are the good, positive things. Carried on the basis of which education is formed, on the other hand, our potential enemies, analytical centers, how the socalled decoding of value consciousness occurs, an attack on history, an attack on meanings, again remember, that is, knowledge of history is our main defensive reaction now, yes and even more so, it is necessary to take into account the fact that people are proud of their history, again, again, what Andrei Petrovich was talking about, a defensive reaction, a super idea, meaning, the main thing, then for what . Certain actions are performed by a person, by a state, if we are talking about the United States of america, yes, they will make America Great again, if we talk about the Russian Federation, yes, well, this is the russian empire, they have their own vision of themselves, a feeling in this world, china is exactly the same, belarus is a young independent state, we very often here try to crystallize this National Idea of ​​ours, but i dont know if it can be compared with this with. Beyond the idea of ​​meaning, but it seems to me that if we globally understand what stands above all some possible economic problems, some misunderstandings, what is more important, and what cannot be given, then a lot of issues will be resolved, Andrei Petrovich, you talked about china, that they have their own way, their own special one, yes, why did they succeed, from, well, lets say, not the best times to become great were blocked. Straight to vadim, he says economics, i first of all had such, such a thought where are these economic criteria, at what point in Economic Development will we begin to act more actively, where is it, how to define champagne maldivation, well, lets say , for for some, this is the main position , you were arguing here about galoshes, and about the second economy in the world, why it collapsed, that is, there are a lot of controversial issues, but nevertheless, nevertheless, china, right . Socialist state, the leading role of the communist party, then they, in all likelihood, took into account all those shortcomings, and in addition to those very shortcomings that went away, they also correctly or rather correctly built their internal Foreign Policy, a state like china, by and large, has solved many internal problems today, yes , they have digitalization, and the digital revolution, everything, and a rating system, that is, is it good or bad, probably time will tell, look how competently they maneuvered, being a communist country between the west and the east, well, conditionally west and east, yes, that is, how competently they maneuvered, look, they were able to convince that this is exactly the platform that will allow for further development, will give an impetus to the development of economic progress, and the United States and europe kept investing money there, according to by and large, coming back again, today it is essentially becoming the first economy of the world, the west was alarmed, they realized that today problems arise, how to deal with this same china, all conceptual documents state that russia is a primary task, and china is a longterm task, but in all these documents the ultimate goal is defined, that they must win and deal with one second before the thirtieth year, of course, this is the super idea, its also interesting if we look at the documents nato, they have an interesting description of how the russian army operates and how, for example , the chinese army operates, the russian army, well, to put it simply, but rapidly, nonstop, day and night, until the enemy is completely defeated, in general, catch up with a blow to the head, kill the enemy, this is clearly spelled out, and china has soft power everywhere, go from the outside, look here and there, that is, if we turn to some old petrovich, well, soft power needs money, i i agree with vadim here, without this answer on belarus, ill explain, you should never compare small and mediumsized states with russia, dont suffer from globalism, i said. Conducted such a survey between even such serious people and what is the best way to just think like that, well , anonymously, yes there were different opinions, it was for a long time, well, about 8 years, probably 10 years ago, i want to tell you so much, we had to be very careful even in identifying certain aspects because we have very, so to speak , jealously perceiving these aspects of our neighbors, and in order to preserve our sovereignty, you know, we had to weave very thin lace, so as not to be exposed, now sometimes we may need to wait, to identify some aspects a little later, but somewhere we cant say that anymore, but again, whats the problem, if were talking about this Global Center of gravity, which the Russian Federation could become, has not formulated a position. Where are we sailing with this big ship, the empire is not enough, there were a lot of empires that rotted in history, the chinese empire, the roman empire and so on, where are we going, why and why not, belarus is clear, we have formulated the foundations, look, we have done a lot by the way, in many respects in parallel with the Russian Federation, traditional values ​​were written into the constitution, we dont have any more perversions in our families, there will never be any more, i hope, then, a normal attitude towards a woman, towards a man, towards a child, towards the army, because they dont give us, listen, there is a resource, an opportunity, so when the economy, i explain the economy, china acted very competently, it was he who exploited and alliance, and when the americans needed an ally in the form of china, they bought china, gave them their market, and china grew at the expense of the american market, its true, this is china, the americans lost the vietnam war at one time. Vadim, your interest, your interest, look, the most and warsaw in due time will behave much more independently in relation to the United States, vadim, all because National Interests are at the forefront, which is what alexander is also talking about, not about kyrgyzstan, not about vietnam, not prorussian, not proamerican, nationally. Denying, relatively speaking, excuse me for using your example, mine is from the maldives and that there is maseration, yes, we give our opponents the opportunity to say, look, they, we offer you this, and oniga, the most consumed house of hannes just so you know , very candlelit, look, its possible. I always want to know what we should do, we as journalists and you as experts are on the edge of this war, but very often they tell us that we should slow down somewhere, always when they say, the little boy is not slowing down, but tour, he seems to be liberalizing, im in this, well, completely. I wrote about this a thousand times, that if grisha santsepek, you are just like a sniper rifle, so the question is where should we stop or not stop . The worst thing we can do is to adopt any from the ideologies of the world hegemons, to try in order to exalt ourselves a little internally, to become attached to it, which is what many small and mediumsized states do, we are a relatively small state located between the hegemons. Our Strategic Task is to preserve sovereignty. I was just recently reviewing the best quotes from alexander lukashenko. In 2020, he said, among other things, the following. Your president , whom you elected long ago, will never be the last. This is the main purpose of existence us as a state. We will not achieve this by calling for this alone. So that most people understand that our main task is conservation. Sometimes this requires taking a step back in economic benefits, consumption there, and so on. If people are doing relatively well with the economy, everyone is living plus or minus well, then they will give up something for sovereignty with more, with greater consent; if people live worse, the economy will work worse, then this is the number of people to convince whats important sovereignty will be more difficult, People Living poorly will be quicker to fall for someone elses ideology. Can. The question for you is also practically the same historical when you come to any caucasian country, no matter how badly they live , they will always take up arms, when war comes, take ukraine, everyone who fled to the west is people who live well and always think, no matter how to avoid a trip to the front, here they say that these traditions that they unite around themselves, clans, history, Everything Else in the caucasus, traditions are alive, not alive, so this is how to preserve it, you see, they dont always live well there, but they are ready to give up even the fact that they live well in order to protect their country, well , this is a question of religion and this is a separate topic, so that we contrast normal life and normal ideology, this is, well, this is idiocy, come on, here i am more, the most important enemies of belarus are fools, these are the most important enemies, a scumbag and a traitor , he is the enemy in second place, the fool is himself, listen, let s go on air, live, live, let s not voice stupidity , we are for normal economy for a healthy ideology, we are our worthy citizens who have endured so many wars of revolutions chernobyl, we have had enough of suffering, i want our belarusians to live with dignity, have a normal economy, their children eat well, be dressed, as they are now, and we must preserve this, the problem to the needs is a problem, we must educate the needs. There are state interests that were discussed here, this is not unimportant, and yes, you need to have backbones, but the one who will only use everything exclusively to do everything in the interests of his state, in the interests of only national ones, he will make a lot of enemies for himself, just like here there is the problem of china, the parosel islands, the spravli islands, shinkaku and kashmir, the uyghurs, a lot, a lot of irreconcilable enemies. There are very wise words and we should never forget them, we dont choose our neighbors, we really need to constantly look for this balance of power for