Just stop, stand, and look. True patriots are ready to share their love for their homeland, far beyond its borders; it is impossible not to love everything that is connected with the homeland, so that we carry it, take it to our countries and talk about it there too, with our example of serving the homeland of our ancestors, as if showed that it can be done, that this needs to be done, memory is the strength of the people, the world can be preserved if you preserve the memory of your roots, of your ancestors, of those who lived on this land, beautiful, clean, clean, pure belarus, watch the project look at belarus on the tv channel belarus 24. Nikolaich, good evening, margenevich, good evening, we belarusians are no strangers to epithets , yes in our elections, but i admit, the polish elections, they surprised even me, in some ways, the dirtiest elections, and these are not headlines belarusian propagandists. In your opinion, how did it happen that honest, democratic, european elections have become so dirty. Its a global question, well probably try to answer it more simply. The bottom line is this there is a struggle within the state for power. Power is the prize for which all parties are fighting, and in this struggle, there are no alternatives and all possible means are used, as for purity, well , lets remember the United States, thats all, a bright, shining example of democracy and those results, poland, as a champion democracy and the closest satellite or so to speak, followers of the United States, they have who to follow as an example, this also applies to other states, but as for poland, there is an internal split. Internal expenditure, from the point of view of the further political path of the state, therefore, all possible methods were used in the face of dirty technologies, they do not stop, it s normal that you are already a normal reality today, well talk more about this, lets conduct a little political lekbes, for those who dont understand why kaczynski, having won, lost, why former athlete tusk says he never did this i was happy with the second place, but many belarusians, you will agree, it is not entirely clear how exactly the opposition seven can destroy this feasting victory of kaczynski. Here you just need to go down or understand the essence of those political processes and the cuisine that exists in poland, but the problem is very simple, in a country where the party system, power is built precisely on the partys representation in the sejm, the number of seats is of great importance , which the party borrowed from everyone and it is distributed in accordance with the percentage that they collected from voters, this is where the dog is buried, lets call it that , with the victory of justice, which has been in power for quite a long time, it won, there is no escape, 35. 3 are official data, this is the first party, the second party is almost 5 behind , and this is 30. 7 of tusks party, but here further begins to create power, power, gain power and control the sejm, which ultimately elects the prime minister, who elects the relevant ministers, that is, essentially form then the government to to form a government, you need a majority by all, the Winning Party does not have this majority at the moment, even. If they enter into a coalition with the last, or so to speak, the last of the parties that made it into the seven, this is a confederation, it has a little more than 7 , its a rightwing party, by and large they still cant get more than 50 of the seats with everyone, so this is exactly the problem that polish politicians will now struggle with, either find a compromise or break own country, or. Maybe get a political crisis, and this option is possible, because the three parties that took second, third, fourth place in total gain more than 50 of the votes, they can theoretically control parliament, provided that they agree among themselves, this is where all sorts of political manipulations begin , the behindthescenes games that he is talking about today remember his words, now the most interesting thing begins, not only the elections are not the main thing, the main thing is who will create a coalition, and he is looking for those options that will suit him coalition building, okay, these three parties that you named second, third, fourth place, well, tusk, its clear, and the two parties that took third and fourth place, they are able to agree in principle, in fact, they can agree on their platform , in principle , have a european orientation, and tusk is a purely european functionary, i would say that he is no longer a polish politician, he is a european politician, he headed the european one, so to speak, Charles Michel replaced him in this position, that is he is very is well integrated into european politics, he clearly understands the processes that are taking place there, and his task, in my opinion, today is exactly the one that. Was assigned to him or which he is implementing, is to return poland to the fold of european politics, that is, the European Union , in fact, precisely the European Union, since in recent years poland has been clearly solving the problems of the United States on the european continent, that is, it is moving by the United States, it crosses out many agreements, breaks contracts that are beneficial for itself and projects in the interests of the United States, hoping that precisely due to. The level of the United States, due to the capabilities of the United States , they will rise on the european continent, that is, in principle, yes, i am a hyena, only i am an american hyena, they are trying to prove this , okay, what exactly, lets say, if these three parties come to an agreement among themselves, it turns out that they will be able to form a government, what powers will essentially pass to them . In reality , power will pass to them in full; today, with his party in the opposition, he will have about 40 common votes and opportunities, the composition of the party, which, if they enter the coalition, they will create a council of ministers, the socalled prime minister, they will choose, well, their own or they will appoint, this is the tenth question, and most importantly, they will receive leverage on all the processes that are taking place in the state , this is the main thing that is being fought for now. The struggle and, in general, with a high degree of probability, yesterdays opposition can solve this problem, but here again buts always appear. Many belarusians say, yes, that for them, both one party and the other, but the horseradish is not so good, frankly, thats why i would probably now focus on technical aspects, so lets cross our fingers about what happened in these elections, from the point of view of purity and transparency, right . So, there is a shortage of ballots in certain polling stations, yes, well, this is a paradox, this is generally a paradox for me, when there is a specific list of voters, there are not enough ballots at a polling station to provide this list, okay, errors with the lists themselves, election campaigning on the day silence, the list will continue, i will continue right away, because there are simply paradoxical directions, well, lets say, at one of the polling stations, a person who came to vote was given a completed ballot, this leads to paradoxes, the second point, very interesting by the way, is the use. Of a state resource in the interests of one of the parties to the election process. They talk about this all the time, its not, so to speak, not democratic, but it exists, its realistic to blame for such things, if god forbid it happens here in some way, in any form, it immediately begins, and why, this is precisely the point that needs to be clarified. Within 3 years. Preceding the elections, law and justice, by and large, usurped the system, the electoral system of poland, i explain at what point, firstly, changes were made to the electoral legislation during this period, and one innovation, very, very interesting, it prohibits in these elections, voting by mail is something that is always accepted, but for poland it is a rather problematic system, why . Because more than a million citizens who have the right to vote are outside the state, they could take advantage this plan, their right, and as a rule , all these citizens who are in other states vote for the opposition, well, in fact, they are more proeuropean here, basically, it is so , that is. That is, this part of the voters is immediately partially cut off, or forced, creating difficulties for them in expressing their will, which, in principle, is what happened. The second point, which many people generally dont know about and say how good it is there, what kind of politics and what a wonderful democratic system, a year and a half before the start of the elections there were the forms of, so to speak, regions for voting have been changed, well, they have been cut differently, not the way it was before, for what . Todays parties of power, which are in power, are mainly supported by the rural population, the city is against it, and basically redrawn the map of these polling stations in order to somehow include more of the rural population, and this has been done, and this mechanism used, that is. The second component, now the third component is simply empty election promises, and often direct purchase of future votes, due to which, i explain, on the eve of the elections a powerful campaign was carried out and various payments were offered to various segments of the population from todays leading parties, or parties in power. This applies to pensioners , this applies to people with many children, this applies to students and other categories who , to some extent, could support the current government, okay, how much is a polish vote worth . How much did you buy it for . Oh, its impossible to say directly about the statement, but the amounts offered were 800, zlotys for one, well, for one component, 500 zlotys there in other directions. But the most important thing is not this, the main promise, it cannot be said that the polish voice cost that much, but they tried to buy it using these amounts, and also, thats not all, we havent finished everything yet, it turns out, but there is one more thing the direction that is worth mentioning is an attempt to hold a referendum together with the elections and submit to the referendum those provisions that are cornerstone for todays party in power. Yeah, that is in advance, this is additional propaganda, these are additional, so to speak, points for the party in power, and lastly, this is a prevention. One of the representatives of the osce parliamentary assembly, ours, belarusian, to participate in election observations , well, this is a violation, and such a fairly severe violation, and to give credit to the parliamentary assembly, it brought this to the attention of the polish side, condemned this step, wiped it off and nothing, as they say, i think they havent even wiped themselves off, they havent even wiped themselves off, okay, i admit, i watched on social networks behavior of ordinary poles, well, i was interested in the process itself, i noticed many interesting schemes that were used, yes, those who supported the opposition from the capital registered in advance at polling stations in other regions, so, that is, they understood perfectly well, thats even , what are you talking about, yes, that locally people are more conservative, as far as these elections really are concerned. Have they revealed a real split among poles based on geography, social, and age . You know, this is a serious cut, i would say that the elections have become litmus, to say with a piece of paper or so, if figuratively speaking, for the analysis of those processes that are taking place in poland, but the reality is that in reality the western part and the eastern part have a contradiction, and if the eastern part is more. Peasant, agricultural, it supports more law and justice, then the left part , it supports the opposition forces, and here this is reality, this is the first moment, the second moment means that as for the city and the countryside, because in fact the city supports the opposition, the village supports, or the countryside, lets call it that, supports the conservatives or today the right and justice standing in power today. Further, as for the youth and, that is, the Elderly Population and the older population, they support todays conservative component of law and justice, young people, people, lets say, from 18, probably to thirty, they fully support, uh, the opposition in the new forces, there are a lot of contradictions , okay, this is the moment, poland a and poland b, yes, well, at least some experts such phraseology was used, the vote is known for kilometers, yes, here they will vote for tusk, and then they will vote conditionally for kaczynski, but on the eve of the elections there were statements that almost a civil war should begin if the situation worsens, how realistic was such a prospect in poland, and or is such pressure purely selective . There may be a request for the future, based on the available information and, so to speak, a deep analysis of what is happening, i would after all, he called it a political game regarding the civil war this is escalating the situation, by the way, one of those who propagandized this, lech walesa, a man who has a fairly rich political biography, including an inflammatory biography, and ill tell you this, no matter how it is. Divided according to todays standards, either it is the conservative party , which is in power today, or it is the new liberals who are trying to break through to power, opposition forces, their essence is one, they are not united, they are all proeuropean, only some are more aimed at brussels and the European Union. The latter are aimed at the United States, they go with them together, they have a single enemy, and naturally there is one, and there is no way around it, these parties, i mean, these are russia and belarus, and uh, kaczynski and the company are right and fair, they made russophobia and belarusphobia, a weapon with the help of which they came to power and now they hold it in their hands, because the idea of eastern countries, this applies to belarus and ukraine, it is supported, it is constantly fed for a long time, respectively, no one is going to make some kind of coup, to hope that tomorrow we will begin to build relations, well, i will say, not if not friendly, then at least neighborly ones, yet it is not necessary, at. The election stage everything was aggravated, everything was turned outward and , as you correctly said, any technology was used in order to stay in power, and. The other half to come to power. As for future situations, i am far from thinking that poland will change the vectors of its foreign policy. And here there is a point of contact and a point to find compromises between these two forces, oddly enough, among the conservative rightwing justice and the neoliberal civic position or platform, they would be called differently, but in the end. There, the left also welcomed them to the third force, the socalled third way, that is, these are those who today are trying to play and come to power, but they will not radically change the vectors that exist today in polish politics, it would be good if talk about foreign policy, but you say they wont change, but still we are tusk initially indicated that he is more proeuropean, yes kaczynski. They constantly demonstrate that this is a proamerican party, in fact, yes, and their main task is, lets say, to replace the same germany in the european political field, yes, from the point of view in terms of significance, and as a center of decisionmaking, a center of power, well, at least the americans, this is the americanization of europe, what our philosophers wrote about 50 years ago, it has actually happened now, that is, be that as it may, but mostly. European union engine, germany, lets say frankly, its deflated, well enough, its stalling, yes, its stalling very much, transferring the same productions, the main ones to the same america, but the question is, okay, what about the vector of work with ukraine, will it change or not, in your opinion, in mine look, no, it will adapt to new conditions, lets call it that, and these new conditions will be dictated. In the event that mr. Kaczynski and his company remain in power, he will be coordinated with the United States, in the event that new forces come, or some kind of power is united joint, and this is possible between these parties, there can only be coordination or there can be clarification of certain directions in relation to poland, that is, theoretically , the general approach will not change. Will not change, look, no matter what we say, today the United States is interested in the fact that there was a conflict, until they say stop, it will not stop, europe is following the lead of the United States, you just said this, again, either poland will move closer to europe, or it will remain in the Current Situation closer to the United States, ukraine will remain a change. A coin that will ultimately be played as a prize by both sides, in one in another case, well , in principle, this statement by the president of poland, yes, who began to complain that attention to a certain extent has switched from the ukrainian vector here, even he directly said this, you shouldnt attach great importance to palestine and israel, yes, but the ukrainian vector is still extremely important for europe. And ordinary poles, how interested they are in these two categories, proeuropean and conservative, as far as they are interested in the fate of ukraine, ordinary poles need ukraine insofar as, but they both played out the scheme with ukrainian grain, clearly, but there is another situation, the ukrainians, this is somewhere far away, so as not to talk about interfering with poland today, that is, they arrived there in large quantities , they interfere with the local population, that is, they take away jobs, the reality is a fact, further, the polish budget is forced to take on additional obligations in relation to the ukrainians, billions of dollars have already spent this money, they could have gone to other needs, at the same time, the poles felt that their income actually became less, they began to receive less from the European Union, with the policy that the leadership is now pursuing, and there were fewer resources, that is, poland is really getting poorer , or rather not even poland , the polish people, they are getting poorer, and they are not interested in what is happening in ukraine, they are interested in how much money they have in their wallet, whether they can provide their children with a normal future, whether they can buy what they need for themselves, so say, a basket of groceries and provide a future for his children, he. Is interested in what kind of pension he will receive, how much he will receive, salary, and he sees that this salary is not getting any more, but they always tell him, he must be patient, he must give to someone, here the question is asked why and to whom do i owe what, who are the ukrainians . After all, ukraine, in terms of its potential, is in no way less than or worse than poland, and we know this very well, but the country has managed to fall apart to such an extent that today it stands with an outstretched hand and asks poland something, well, this is already nonsense, but it exists , so the ordinary ordinary pole doesnt care whats happening in ukraine, but the poles remember. And the massacre and genocide of the polish people on ukrainian territory, they remember all this, and this memory remains. You know, i probably agree with you, given that yavka actually says about this , look, 63 was the turnout in 1989, yes, when the poles decided to get rid of communism and give birth to a new democracy, like would be, now of course there was a record figure of 72 , but. In your opinion did they really storm the polling stations or is there still a concept of stuffing here, well, were not saying, were philosophizing, and what are the poles so tired of in your opinion, besides what you said, you know, you have such a concept, about a philosophical question, here you come, we approach philosophy, as for these parliamentary elections, people are. Tired, what are they tired of . They are tired of being fed promises all the time and at a time when promises are always positive, they are promised a Bright Future and just about, be patient, tomorrow will be better, they see that time is passing, and changes are only for the worse, they are tired of this, the second thing is that every person lives in hope, there must be hope, for years there has been a specific struggle between the party that took a lot of votes kaczynski and tusks party, new forces have appeared here, these are the left and the third way, which are a lot this time and many did not expect this, this is generally an interesting point, as for whether the poles stormed these same electoral areas, no, they werent stormed, but unlike many. Once they realized for themselves or were convinced, perhaps quite clearly, that after all , everyones voice is important, the hope for change must be supported by something, in this case, its your trip to the polling station, thank god, they understood this, and this is evidenced by the number of people who came, that is, it shows the internal protest potential, that is, people understand that things cannot continue like this, as they may not yet fully realize, but there is already an internal understanding that changes are needed, what kind of change is needed something fresh, wind, and there is Something Else to this, they have already realized this, an interesting fact is that more than half of the poles have never been to an election before, in general they are quite apolitical, and such an interesting statistic, that is, after all, this fact says but is it still mistrust in democracy or about trust, thats how you assess it . You know, i wouldnt talk about trust in democracy, i would talk about distrust in the existing government and uncertainty about the future, these two components, they are more realistic from the point of view of pushing uh, the average person, the ordinary for a person to go to the polling station, hope, some kind of hope . That change is possible, they were given this hope by this election campaign, showing what is really happening in the country, you will notice what kind of stuffing there was, what real information there was, it is real, it is not you and me came up with it, it was the poles who found it, the europeans found it, and all this was brought to the attention of people , having seen all this, all this political kitchen, the poles thought, maybe its time to figure out their own a little own country . Well, its interesting, of course, what the consequences will be frankly, well, summing up the phenomenal opacity of the polish elections, i want to ask only one thing, in your opinion, the world, the European Union, including, they will be interested in the fact that the poles votes were stolen, so, lets break this question down into two components, first, will the world be interested . No. Second, will europe be interested . Yes, provided that tusk and company fail now. Create a coalition alternative government, then this topic they can raise it, but nothing more, well, and still, lets be frank , poland is not such a great country, on todays orango report card, so to speak, the world orango report card, that all states of the world think about it, unfortunately, they themselves dont think so, well, okay, if we were talking about russia, about china, about india, about the United States, but the conversation would be different, even maybe germany, okay, we basically figured out further foreign policy, yes , ukraine will remain a vector, the same, one of the vectors, yes, the main ones, and one of believers, well, abortions, farmers, its all the same, yes, but, as far as i saw, the ardent activist for lgbt rights, bart staszewski, was very happy, yes, and he called these events that happened in poland the end of a nightmare for himself and others gays does this mean that religious, very conservative poland will become more rosy . Based on my own understanding of the world order, understanding of good and evil, i hope i will answer in such a way that this will not happen. No matter what poland is today there with its cockroaches, with their own problems, i really wouldnt want there to be a country next to us that is losing not only power, its independence, but also spirituality, but no matter what they say, poland is, in fact, conservative from the point of view of religion, in fact, for many years she resisted the influx of europeanness and lgbt components, it was. And kochinsky, whom many also call a hidden gay, and some actually, this means, younger, who, after all, he is to his own, so to speak, he always includes this component in his politics held, that is, the spread of lgbt was slowed down in poland, and this was his position, as for todays joy, i hope that poland, the polish people understand what they want to do with them, and no matter what power comes in the country, they will still will still be able to defend their national identity, well, god willing, behind all this rinsing and dirty linen, absolutely unnecessary, for some reason, and i want to understand why the citizens ended up with a referendum that took place at the same time, yes, where there was also belarusian question, fence between poland and belarus, yes, for some reason the authorities decided to ask about the elimination of this fence, although they made the decision without asking anyone, yes, but there was not only this question, so why did the referendum fail, elections took place, but the referendum failed, there is an expression that i dont really like, but it exists, lets not . Mix flies and cutlets, lets separate them, this is exactly what happened here, the referendum questions, they reflected the critical provisions that the current government would like to initiate, they are secondary, lets call it that, in relation to the process, the election process, that is taking place in poland today, primary after all. And the formation of a vector for the further development of our own state, then those questions that were raised at the referendum, well, lets say, how do you feel about transferring to Foreign Corporations the opportunity to use these same industrial enterprises, land, and so on, but by and large, but whats new here . After all, whoever needs to buy it, because in the west of poland there are already a huge number. Of Enterprises Working for germany, a huge number of all kinds of, uh, not only enterprises, but entire concerns that work in the interests of germany have been purchased, what is there to ask, the second point, how do you feel about changing the age, pension, well, this in general, gods laughter, because first increase to 65 years and 62 years, then bring this question back a little why, because the current trend is such that already in 2024, the number of young people of elderly people will be equal, and then it will go to the other side that is, there will be fewer young people, there is nowhere for them to go without this, these are purely populist questions, and the last one about our socalled fence on the belarusian border, please tell me, i get the impression that this is nothing more than an attempt to launder or legalize ones own corruption scheme, and for this purpose this process is used, nothing more , and it failed, the scheme could not be washed, yes, because people, for all their antipolitics or apoliticality, they did not even want to talk about this topic, these are not paramount surrender, they understood this, that is, these were just populist questions, nothing further will happen to them, as i understand it, this topic will not be discussed anymore, it can be raised again, well, somewhere like that, if there is a need, thats it her time has passed. The fact that the referendum was not supported, in principle, only shows that a split in society between supporters of european integration and supporters of conservative principles has really emerged, because less than half, but yes, its a disaster, look, to be honest, in this election epic im a little amused by the reaction of our fugitives, we cant help but remember about them, but they have largely settled down. They seem to be so speechless from the fair polish elections, because, well , when you start giving these examples, yes, they have fewer and fewer arguments regarding the belarusian elections, however, all polish parties, both ruling and opposition, they also didnt remember at all about these same fugitives, so the belarusian agenda in poland, in your opinion, is gone. Irrevocably, no, its not gone irrevocably, it will play out, but later, when the main issue is resolved, and then everything will depend on the position of the United States, that is, we will wait , they will give it, they will remember about the fugitives, they will forget, or they will say so, leave it alone for now, they will live there, its not clear how to interrupt, the belarusian agenda will not leave the polish. So to speak, sphere for one simple reason it is very convenient to either heat it up or cool it down in a timely manner, and this is always some kind of leverage over the neighbor, and even if he is not particularly effective, but from the point of view the political component of the information wave is great , they give a command, yap, woof and so on, its vulgar, they didnt give a command, we sit, sleep, eat, on the grants that are available, Something Like this, well, in your opinion, good, in the elections , why then did they forget about them, because ordinary poles are not interested in this at all, yes, the poles are not interested in this, they are interested in poland, their own problems, and most importantly, here there is another additional irritant that we do not want to talk about, or rather not the polish parties want to say, why the hell are we wasting own resources and money for people who, firstly, are not poles, secondly, do nothing in the interests of our country, thirdly, they are parasites among us, and fourthly, they create problems for us and our neighbors, logical, nikolayvich, the last one, well as we like, a nearphilosophical question, in fact , the last thing belarusians need is such an angry, dangerous neighbor nearby, the last thing belarusians want is a civil. Polish war. Belarusians are ready to negotiate, or at least not to interfere with each other, right . We emphasize this all the time. But to be honest, i still i remember those times when chicken was not a bird, and poland was not abroad. I remember too. And as soon as you think, the polish beneficiaries have had enough of aggression and will start dialogue. And if there are real forces there, have they appeared now . Who would be willing and able to start it . The topic is deep, in my opinion, it also has a great continuation, and like any problem there is more than one solution, maybe two, three, maybe four options, well , lets start with the last component, make it the first, will people appear there, they and today there are, they exist, but they are not in the first roles, they are not in the parties that are striving for power today, because the theme good neighborliness has long been replaced by russophobia and belarusophobia, the main policy is based on this. As for, you know, you reminded me of a thing, because tusk, he is not an athlete, he is a historian, by training, he is a historian, by the way, he has written many books from the point of view of history, he has one of his first works there as a University Student , she is, so to speak, available, she was connected with pelsudsky, yeah, so lets think about it, a person who deeply developed this topic at a time when there was practically no talk about it, and these were the seventies, what was in his head, the second point, todays authorities, which is kaczynski, lets say kaczynski, everyone who is with him, because the ideology of todays government is tusk, kaczynski, this is a longterm confrontation, once with each other for the position of prime minister, today here, as for these people, they are not interested in good neighborliness, they must be very much interested in so that there is a desire cooperate, but today they are interested, as we said, in the United States, the European Union, and then there is the vector. On the severance of relations with russia and belarus, the building of the socalled iron curtain, by the way, literally on tuesday there was a very good article by Vladimir Pavlovich andreichenko, which was called the iron curtain of european democracy, which is most appropriate, because today it is precisely this iron curtain that is being created, although our president always says we must live like neighbors, we must. Find common ground, then our side is ready for dialogue, constantly extends its hand, but we are constantly denied this conversation, as for poland, after all, there are sensible people there, and this cannot be denied, who clearly understand that it would be better for poland to be a bridge between the east in the west, on this they had good dividends from a financial point of view, from a turnover point of view, and so on. But today they are told stand still, poland is still not independent. And based on this , its future policy will be built. In my opinion, we still have quite a long time wait for the moment when circumstances mature and factors appear that will force the situation to normalize, but hope dies last, so we will hope that this will happen in our lifetime. Outstanding meats of belarus with a valuable history. Abaronial doilitstva we can learn from the righthanded architecture, and all for this period the round veils are characteristic. They sailed to the pharmaceutical Economic Centers of the country. Some myastechki, garads, which were previously significant in magdybur, in the attacks, the kali gyrus prahodzila bach, tsi far away, they were ruining their significance, this was a sapraudnaya revaluation, the cast iron was changing navakolle, the culturalasvetnytsky project of the architecture of belarus. Gety kastsel does not finish and y savetsk period, kali vyalіkaya kolkastsya temple stratsіla its percapachatkovaya meaning. The whole geta remembers the 50s. I hate such knowledge of stalinist classicism. Tell the belarusians that the geta is not falling out, for dastatkova come to our capital, the prices are on the praspektse, if you please, as if with a soul, what is the geta like. Glyadzice, on our tv channel. Their life in poland villages and agricultural towns, contrary to all stereotypes, are bright and rich. In many ways, our future life depends on the conditions in which you were born. What surrounded you, what kind of nature, what kind of people were next to you, in our village life is more measured, we are not in a hurry, we seem to work a lot, but we are in no hurry, i call big cats, they are tame, they are kind, well im happy with all this, i love it all,