Hello, on belarus 1, the club of editors, by tradition, at the very beginning of the program, i introduce the guests who came to our studio today on makayonka 9, we start with Dmitry Aleksandrovich zhuk, the head of the sb belarus holding today vadim giginin. Director of the national library, head of the knowledge society, vadim elfimov, political scientist, pyotr petrovsky, political scientist, and journalist, one of the cohosts of our new project, which is published in polish, be sure to listen, radio belarus, and just yes, just look on the internet, and alexey ovdonin, political analyst bc, good evening, thank you very much for coming, well, lets discuss the war first, the war. Between hamas and israel, this week it seems to me that we have seen the difference between a war and a special military operation, yes, i hope we have seen everything, and the zmagars have seen ours, in ukraine they have seen, the difference is in this, we are journalists, political scientists in unlike politicians, we can say whatever we think, this is our right, this is our job and neither side should be offended by us, if they dont like what we say, even though they know what we will say. I cant know this, although many politicians, western, especially, and not only western, have said in a week that its time to initiate criminal cases against some for incitement, hatred based on nationality, for calls for genocide, and so on, like only well, they are used to it in these countries, they can say and do, most importantly , whatever they want with impunity, and fortunately this situation in the world is changing, because as soon as we start saying something, then. I like that they are trying to shut our mouths. So, well, a terrible attack was carried out by hamas on israel, we saw, they died, a huge number of people died, hundreds, if not thousands, lets not say, i dont want to talk about any particular cases, because i know how propaganda works, they can slip us something that we will be ashamed of later, we know these stories with the butch, with the rape with a baton in belarus on the 20th, in the twentieth year, these western scoundrels tell us such things that we will not wash ourselves of it later, therefore, we will proceed from the fact that it is more or less confirmed , the answer, in my opinion, was approximately. Well, the means were different, but the result as a whole, lets tell the truth, is Something Like this, here we see footage of the bombing of almost the carpet sector gas, a huge number of people died, including civilians, they are compared to the face of the earth, this piece of land, by the way, i have a big question, is hamas generally suffering from these attacks or not, will some of its officials die there, the commander, but overall hamas we are still we will find out about this, because. If you look at the voting results, it must be said directly that hamas in the gaza strip enjoys massive support from the local population, well , if we talk about this, israel joins hamas, we will find out whether it suffered from these bombings or was not harmed, it seems to me, i think that more precisely they buried themselves, buried themselves, this is underground, in fact, lets discuss this now , yes, well, its a thankless task to evaluate one or the other, but i propose to evaluate those who brought it to this, who are fueling the war , who showed all his essence. More than one color revolution, coup detat in many countries, including our country, come on, give me a minute, here are a couple of examples, yes, so that we can discuss, ursula, you know the one, yes vonderlein, she discussed russian strikes on ukraine, quote russian attacks against civilian targets. Especially heating plants are a war crime, she said immediately after some time in israel. Europe supports israel and we fully support israels right to selfdefense. Next, canadian media. For the canadian media, everything is simple in israel there are many killed as a result of the war, and there are many deaths in the gaza strip. Ukraine, which is 8 years old. Donetsk was hit, according to official data, 15,000 died, yes, a huge number of civilians, children, were also dissatisfied, so to speak, against the airstrikes. The Verkhovna Rada of ukraine condemns the missile attacks by hamas and other palestinian groups on innocent civilians in israel. We express our unwavering support for israel and its inalienable right to defend its people, but this begs the question of targeting civilians. To the residents of donbass, firstly, in odessa, lugansk, mariupol and so on, our friends, the same, our niva, which for some reason did not have this name, stated that israel was carrying out massive attacks on the gas sector at night, attacking kalya 500 tselyay, all ladies bayavikoy, from the getag. We can conclude that these residential buildings in which the residents of the gas sector lived, militants lived there, so everyone who lives in the gas sector, well, as i understand the logic, these people, although they have no logic, are simple collective responsibility , are also considered militants, i have several questions for you to discuss, is it possible to bomb residential buildings or not, is it possible to defend. Your lands that someone claims or not, but lets remember ukraine, some other conflicts, is it possible whether to turn off the water and turn off the lights in certain territories, or it is prohibited, or it is possible, but not for everyone , the most important thing is whether it is necessary to implement the resolutions of the un Security Council, i mean the creation of a palestinian state, or they need to be implemented only once, when they concern the Russian Federation and the republic of belarus, here i have. Look, ive been looking around all week, these questions have accumulated, mikhailovich, here is a fundamental point, a lot of emotional reactions, even more attempts to manipulate, what we see from the zmagars fugitives, with these emotional reactions, it is always a tragedy when civilians die, but most importantly, this is a colossal failure of american diplomacy, now they say a lot that the americans organized this, on the other hand, no one, i am convinced, no the americans did not organize this, its about all the principles on which the American Foreign policy strategy in the middle east was organized is collapsing, because what they laid as the basis for an allegedly peaceful settlement. Lets divide it into cases, now we will solve this, the deferred status , in fact, was the strategy of ostriches who bury their heads in the sand, they postponed solving problems for the next generation, as a result , the problem became so glaring, yes, that sooner or later it should was to explode, the east has been told for a year now that a new intifada is possible, because a number of contradictions within the Palestinian Authority in the middle east began to grow, an attempt to conclude israel, agreements with the persian monarchs, everything that we see around iran indicated that it was possible explosion in the middle east. The americans chose to focus on ukraine. And when they left there, yes, this is what happened, in fact, not because they were a peaceful factor there. And they seemed to take responsibility and said we will solve everything Security Problems have not solved anything, here are the words of western european leaders, what they focused on, we will provide humanitarian assistance, thats it, bribes are fine, guys, this conflict is the result of your, first of all, British Colonial policy in the middle east, then american intervention, thats all there is no soviet union since 1991, you took responsibility for these victims, both with one and with responsibility for this, yes, but for the audience to understand, the palestinians had to get their own state, not received their own state, the United States supported israel, but at the same time the international community, that is, the United States, also fed palestine, which essentially lived in a concentration camp, more or less maintained a certain standard of living, people, yes, but did not allow them to create their own. Which was the main condition, but so you understand, for example, here we found a quote, it was netanyahu who said in 2019 anyone who wants to prevent the creation of a palestinian state must support hamas and transfer money to hamas, it was he who said then this is ours strategy for the United States, correspondence between employees of the Us State Department in 2021 was deciphered, we are talking about concerns about the possible use of american taxpayers money going through. You know , yes, to strengthen the hamas group, and trump froze these payments, the Biden Administration you you know, they were unfrozen, and so they, in my opinion, we are talking about 380 million , hamas received these documents, now they blame hamas for everything, they call them terrorists, but they gave birth to them and fed them, and so on moreover, hamas was born, it was created in advance with the participation of various intelligence services, including western ones, as a counterweight to the liberation organization. All that was needed was to avoid double standards, and if there was a decision to create a palestinian state, then it had to be created, well, i ll make a couple of adjustments, so to speak, yes, so that our viewers will go perfectly into the depths, well , that means, firstly, the problem began back in the thirties, the interwar period, and the thirties, 1930, which means at that time on the territory of modern palestine only 19 of the Jewish Population lived, the rest were arabs. This means that by the end, by the beginning, or rather, of the second world war, the advantage was already with the Jewish Population, which means that the main transit point was for the Jewish Population, which was expelled by hitler from germany, yeah, it was london, and london sent there, which means period of the second world war, lets say, the United States of america took over from the british and , as it were, the topic of colonies in general and the like, they did not take away the colonies from the british, and there was even an amazing precedent when in forty in the fifth year, the British Foreign ministry expressed a note of protest to the United States of america regarding the fact that they were intercepting this business and the jewish process, and while they had already sponsored the resettlement of a large number of the Jewish Population by the United States of america itself, it means it was accepted a solution so that there would be no problem in 1948 to create this state , both israel and palestine, with a ratio of 48 for the arab population and territorially and 52 for the Jewish Population, which means as soon as a Jewish Population arose, well, roughly speaking, a jewish state, well, firstly , i wont go into details there now, but there were very serious militants there, and the same terrorists and the like who infiltrated this movement, which means they instantly seized the territory of the palestinians, from that moment on, as soon as the state was declared palestinian, it disappeared, which means, well, i wont remember the year sixtyseven, all the rest and the like, the result was that it turned out, these are all, the Security Council , which says, there are only nine of them, they are all of a fundamental nature that it is necessary to restore a palestinian state, this is the only way to resolve this middle east conflict. By 987, the europeans, well, there was no union then, yes, but the European Countries took the side of the plo and the soviet union, which means there should have already been an agreement to hold a geneva conference in geneva to resolve the middle east conflict, the United States of america and israel opposed, so to speak, even together, even with western European Countries, the soviet union acted as if from a common position, but in 1987, this conference was unexpectedly cancelled, mihai. Gorbachev, after this the next action, we always sponsored the plo, the organization for the liberation of palestine. As vladim gigin quite correctly noted, uh, so to speak, i was a little acquainted even with Yasser Arafat, it was a secular organization, it was never religious, and Yasser Arafat graduated from sarbon and so on and so forth, he has a fairly high education, i knew these people, they were all, well, lets say, secular people, by no means religious fanatics. On the territory of lebanon, among, therefore, refugee camps, back in the seventies, some kind of fundamentalist movements began to be created, they were created absolutely correctly, vadim said, with the help of the Central Branch administration, that is, muslim fundamentalism itself was created by the Central Branch in order to create an internal the conflict in the movement of flattery, who created and resist the plo, then in the eightyseventh year the plo was merged, that is, gorbachev said, thats it, i no longer support you, which means the geneva conference was no longer needed, then a plan is put forward such a famous road map, here these, then there were a lot of road maps, when the goal seems to be replaced, and we are moving where, it is unknown, then, that means, there was a nobev prize, it means, as it were, well, i wont remember all this now, the point is that substitution of concepts, yes, about what should have been, a palestinian state, what should have been an israeli state, it was done, again, on the initiative of the United States of america, and it was really an ostrich policy in a sense, in a sense. Very vile, because in fact, over time, they simply wanted to blur and blur this problem, as you can see, that the territories that were even allocated for autonomy, for fhat, and even now the gas sector, they were constantly shrinking, shrinking, it was a slow process squeezing out the palestinians and so on and so forth , secondly, today at least 2. 5 Million People live in the gaza strip, in fact there may be three small areas there, in my opinion there are 5,000 people per square kilometer, one of the most high concentration. Secondly, you are now looking at how blows are being delivered to the gas sector, and you see, the building is collapsing, and so on and so forth, so what does this mean there are no fires, which means that this is all a monolithic building, where there is practically no wood furniture, there are no trees, everything is iron beds, but this monolith, that is, a tree collapsed, that is, i beg your pardon, a building, crushed under itself, how many victims there actually are, because it is impossible to get them, and how would i say this, this whole system of bombing, it is also accompanied by a blockade , as has already been correctly noted here, this means that the power is turned off, the water is turned off, which means there is a connection with egypt, yes, israel offered people to leave through egypt , yes, well, how much, a million, 2 million, north by sector, a good offer, only the same israel bombed the border crossing, which means just on the border of egypt and the gas sector, therefore. Roughly speaking, people are being driven there, yes, the next step can only be one, a complete cleansing, because to enter there , thats what netanyahu is saying now, to enter and somehow restore order there will be trouble, firstly, it will be a disaster for the israeli army, because there again, everything there is like rat holes, or cart holes, whatever , which means the soil there is different from what we have in belarus, which means its very easy to dig underground passages there, they are there for kilometers can leave, its dry, like coal, and everything is sand. Its wonderful, its even suffocating there, people dont suffocate, theres no dampness and the like, its like all this is permeated there, which means that israeli troops will come in and they can get hit in the back, so netanyahu, although he makes these loud statements, is afraid to go there , and from this point of view, i would say that israel has driven itself into a stalemate, because if they enter there, firstly, the casualties among the civilian population will increase significantly, and secondly, their own the soldiers will die, you understand whats the matter, yes, israel, we need to learn from them, lets say, 300,000, yes, they mobilized reservists in 2 days, they are, as they say, great, but what to do with it, there really the situation is very, very complex, historically it has such a lot of intricacies, we cant figure it out, especially in our program, we dont need to figure it out, thats what i want to say about this , that in fact, nothing new has happened, the states are funding local wars around the world. Its entire history of existence, then first they sold weapons to one and the other, then they helped both of them, again earning something. But thats not the point, because this is the logic of, say, the british colonies, yes, when the british financed internecine wars in india, yes in fact, these territories were then captured, how is this different, but it is no different, the creation of such tension centers is the work of the states, the cia all over the world, they are at every point, one way or another, and tell me, the state of israel, is it not understood this threat . They have women in the military those who are obligated are all serving compulsory service, this is because of a good life, because a secure system has been created there, absolutely true, and you need to understand that yes, the palestinians are not only in gaza, in jordan there are almost 2 million palestinians nearby who are today going to the border 2 million Israeli Citizens are palestinians, it is very explosive there, but what is happening today, unfortunately. This is, how can i put it, this is genocide on both sides, children are being killed there, civilians are being killed, look at these footage, gases, whats there there was a quote from our them, all the houses of terrorists are simply being destroyed, no one is thinking about any terrorists there, and you need to understand that this aggravation, it completely removed ukraine from the media agenda, ubralonsky. Why zelensky ran to brussels was forgotten, we urgently need to remind ourselves, this is a separate topic, but why was it removed, but because its right, said alexan grigorievich, he brought it to the west, ill just throw it in, somehow, in my opinion, the president said a few months ago that some kind of commotion will break out somewhere and forget about ukraine, so it happened, now memes have already appeared that the next one will be in taiwan, everyone will forget about palestine, about the gas sector, just the very nature of this terrorist attack, lets call it that, it is characteristic of the same terrorist attack that happened on september 11. Moreover, then the american authorities said that the hamas attack on israel was like 1011, the events of september 11, but what does this mean, we must remember how the 9 11 commission worked later, it led to the fact that that all american intelligence services, in principle, had information that a terrorist attack was being prepared 11 september, but somehow they could not. Exchange information with each other, but another conclusion was that, in principle, these terrorists were led to a terrorist attack, and here, in principle, we can say that, well, when there is a supply of weapons, when preparations are underway, very planned preparations for such a terrorist attack, to say that the Israeli Special services did not know, well , you can write off that they did not know, but mi6, the cia, that they did not know, of course, cannot be , that in such a Large Organization as hamas. There werent any of our own, of course, but there are agents, there is an exchange information, there is a loss of information and it is clear that they could have known about this, hence the corresponding conclusion can be drawn that the events that we are now observing were already planned in advance and it was rightly noted that for what was planned, because it was necessary to divert this failure the project on ukraine to a victorious war, the blows that we see now israel is inflicting on palestine, this is actually a beautiful picture of a victorious war, which is necessary for the democrats, biden in front of the door in front of the election door, and naturally everyone is watching, but he categorically disagrees with this at all, because let s still argue, this is a failure of the policy of the Democratic Administration in the middle east, that is, what do you want to say that the Democratic Administration is in favor of elections . Demonstrated to the entire public that the entire line that was pursued in the middle east was a line of softening towards iran, a line on the middle east that was much softer than that of the republican administration, let me remind you that trump recognized jerusalem as the capital of israel, it all ended in failure, trump now, his supporters, the republicans are attacking the democrats and saying guys, you collapsed in the middle east, that is, the democrats planted such a bomb for themselves, the current explosion for the democratic. Administration, he is not needed, come on, i can just give one figure to confirm the word of vadim gigin, which means that today in the democratic party, more than 60 of its members support the palestinians, that is, this is against biden in his own party, here we would take such a look, from the point of view of this unipolar world that the americans tried to build, and which is in great crisis today, vadim frantsivich actually said that the system of International Relations that the americans imposed in the middle east, which is so, thank god, as they say, the followup functioned. Centers, secondly, those arab states that were previously pure satellites or allies of the americans, taud arabia, and other states today have less an unambiguous position, and many generally directed their policies towards a more sovereign, independent path. That is, this is one moment, the second moment is the presence of new players in the region, india is building its trade path through this region, china the belt and road is the same thing that strengthens local players, this is the second moment, the third moment is the crisis of Foreign Policy the state of israel, israel has chosen itself as some kind of outpost of the United States of america. States in this region, that is, it has actually made itself a whipping boy, we can listen biden several decades ago after yours, and here a specific question arises regarding the system of israeli Foreign Policy, that israel today has a choice, either the first thing is to stay and pursue this ossified Foreign Policy in the region, or the second point is to negotiate with the players in the region and form together with them that system of relationships, including the construction of an independent palestinian state and good neighborliness with this state, which will lead all this out of the seventyyear crisis ago, well, literally one moment, that is, you just need to know and understand the israeli state and its ideology, and for the israeli state, the transition to active hostilities in palestine is you. Believe me, for them, it was only a reason to start that ideology , which was formed, probably, over the last 30 years, israel has always focused on pursuing an aggressive policy, saying that israel s policy has now failed, but this is wrong, they strived for this. No, well im not what i am, alexey, i understand the point of view, it is present in the expert community, but i want to find out, look, as a result of this policy, netanyahu, the current Prime Minister, is actually becoming a political corpse, that is he is criticized from all sides, he will be merged again, they will merge him, today nothing will stop the political corpses, the citizens will proclaim him a hero in a year, if they achieve it, say a few words to add to this discussion, firstly, of course, israel is in that including and exploits the United States of america, i would so i said, i would like to try you on, for israel, maybe not from everything, but for the group that now rules in israel, this is a victory, but for the United States of america, this is a failure, kissinger also called israel but i dont understand it, what a ruling group, what a victory this is, all of israel is accusing the current leadership of dividing up this formation, that the ratings are catastrophic, this is a story like with gold and this war. Let me finish, in the year ninetytwo they killed yitzha rabin, yes, he was the one who led the exemplary line, he talked about the need to stop at some point, they killed him, i wont name him by name now, although this could be done, yes, but those are the people who today, well, roughly speaking, are in power in israel, that is, an extreme reactionary group, in this sense, yes, everything that happens is in accordance with their interests, they are exposing their own israeli people, but ordinary israelis are suffering, ordinary ones, pay attention, we just may be one moment above ours. Explain what happened before the conflict in israel itself, there the israeli crisis was taking shape inside, it must be clarified what kind of crisis, netanyahu initiated the most important and most dangerous, the most dangerous reform for the israeli people in general and ideology in general, he decided to change the judicial system, and what is the judicial system in israel, there are judges elected by the community, that is, the judges are independent from the government, from the president , they, their principle of appointment is a communal principle, that is , the entire Israeli Society appoints judges, and the judge says, the Prime Minister is acting badly, remove him, the president is bad acts, remove it, these are old principles dating back to ancient israel, and of course , in order to move on from this reactionary model, that is, very aggressive models, this netanyahu team tried to change this reform, naturally, the israeli people , opposed this, this policy, this this idea and we saw what protests were going on, in fact they brought the situation to a head. Before the actual civil war, they could not impose this idea on the israeli people, and that they are moving to what model, model in fact, mass protests got tired, being president , he began to go through the courts, you know, if we speak simply from the language , you can understand, but on the other hand, this is the creation of an authoritarian, and there was no way out, because now he has already become again, its okay, it wont hurt. This judicial reform was supported by the United Forces with the goal of eliminating the de facto israeli state and transforming it into an extremely aggressive form, this is important to understand, they were unable to achieve this goal, after which they went on to hostilities. Substitution, juke noticed, and the fact that ukraine left the agenda, i think this was also done so that no one would ask , thank ukraine from the videos, i dont know, we are asking the question, where do the palestinians and hamas get american weapons . Even the younger trump noticed , just in these frames, that they were running around with the most modern american machine guns, which were supplied in ukraine, and you understand the true price of this grain deal, when these ships were sailing along the mediterranean, and where they were reloaded, where is it literally these ships passed by israel, there was nothing to do there, i apologize for the expression, all this was transferred according to gray schemes by the same hamas man, yeah, why do many ukrainian experts say, he was removed, not because he was a corrupt official, because he wrote a plaintive letter from washington that they see there are corrupt officials in washington who. Meaning they are transferring aid to the kiev regime somewhere, so perhaps this aid was defined by washington as ukraine, but in fact local bureaucrats there were already selling it and hamas and many others, the ukrainians have their own schemes, established back in the nineties , in addition to the americans, i dare to assure you about the resale of soviet weapons, they have very deep connections of corruption in this regard, they could sell it without the americans, we are trying with. Different sides look at this problem and different points of view, well, of course, among the western elite there is a position of support for israel, naturally, and what outrages us most is the silence and those things, absolute parallels with ukraine, but Mustafa Bayoumi in the guardian works, such a very famous journalist , author of books that have been awarded many awards, he wrote a lot of material, well, ill just quote it so that you understand, well, lets give the first quote, but if you only looked. Us news, you would probably assume that the palestinians are always attacking and israel is only reacting. You might even think that it is the palestinians who are colonizing the land of israel. And you probably believe that israel, which has complete control over the lives of 5 million palestinians in the west bank gas, while depriving them of the right to vote in israeli elections is democratic. Further about ukrainian associations. This is annoying hypocrisy regarding the war in ukraine. Many people around the world. Support ukraines resistance to foreign occupation, as it should be in parentheses, but happily deny the palestinians any way to resist the occupation, even nonviolent methods of resistance such as boycott, divestment, sanctions are condemned and even criminalized, why double standards . No wonder that positions of this kind reach the very top; ukrainian president Vladimir Zelensky has twice expressed unilateral support in recent days. To israel, declaring that israels right to selfdefense is indisputable, he would say the same thing, regarding russia on its territory, of course not, zelsky must see that his captured occupied land is similar to the occupation of the palestinians, rather than the israelis, a deliberate distortion throughout, he wrote, well, but at the same time, in the west there is no single position; we see that in europe, in fact, split, at the same time, they seemed to support israel, but on the other hand, they blocked the decision to stop aid to palestine , a statement there, the foreign minister of spain, for example, made that they called on israel not to bomb civilians, traditionally in europe, here it was correct in the analysis says that the western europeans, they actually stood in solidarity here once with the soviet union in a peace settlement, and there are great proarab, propalestinian sentiments, in reality, if we are talking about conflict, the west simply doesnt know what to do with it, yeah, there are all sorts of conspiracy theories, someone organized something there, they wanted to freeze this conflict, freeze the conflict, it is beneficial to them in a certain sense, it allows them to balance the different forces there in the middle east, but i dont think that its in the interests of those directly behind. Yes, of course, the americans have a plan for a war with iran , of course, at what point to start it, what to do and how, they are still thinking, but thats if in general, looking at the world map, this is a pattern when large geopolitical players focus on one direction in this case ukraine, these conflicts will flare up, look that palestine is not alone kosovo, nagornokarabakh, palestine, i assure you, now there are still conflicts in south asia that have not been resolved, africa. Why are coups happening in latin america, which turned out to be a continent that has fallen asleep in terms of conflicts, all this will be updated, the transition from one system, a unipolar world to a multipolar one will take place, and we were in this in these plans, we were in the twentieth year, of course, of course, the postsoviet space, this is one of the key ones, i assure you, we would now, together with the ukrainian cis, in bishkeki, central asia should be given utmost attention, there is a great threat of destabilization in that direction, i believe that, well, if in the twentieth year everything happened as those who organized it planned, then we would now be at war with the Russian Federation, not us, i dont know what our fate would have been, those marginalized people who came, for them its a matter of life, they now they dont hide it, not for them in general, its a matter of life, there would be some kind of polish group on our territory and there would be a war and bloodshed would be fought with the hands and lives of our belarusian citizens, this is the main thing, well, today by the way, this summit in the cis, the president has a very good speech, about unity, about the need to stick together, about all the advantages and about the fact that the west, well, dreams of falling apart, yes, he doesnt read these, he actually does it, lets listen, by the way, and discuss, first, georgia left our union, de facto, ukraine is not with us, there are Big Questions about moldova , unfortunately, armenia does not always behave like a partner, this cannot be calmly observed from the outside, otherwise we will simply be torn apart, it will be ordinary people, our peoples, who will suffer first of all countries, therefore we, the heads of state, must carry out the will of our voters, in principle , today is the time to more critically assess the situation in our community, and we should not bury our heads in the sand, we see that all the old. Conflicts that have been thrown at us in due time, inevitably come out out with very sad consequences, thank god that not only has there been a tendency towards the resolution of these conflicts, but some of them have been successfully overcome, and we, the current generation of politicians, must solve the problems, it is our generation, born and raised in the soviet union , that must do this , we have experience and knowledge, todays youth are unlikely to cope , most of them no longer understand many of the values ​​and benefits that united us and unite us so far, lets do this , we will be joined again by those who see today the solution to their problems is somewhere overseas, and there they generally have little idea where ours are. Countries, well, i generally have little idea where our countries are, well, you see, inciting the topic, inciting conflicts, which is already, well, some are already de facto, some are already out, some are almost out of the woods, Alexander Grigorievich named them, moldova, transnistria, georgia, abkhazia, ossetia, and ukraine without comment, thats how armenia sounded, bending, again this is the problem of karabakh, here i see the leaders of our soviet Central Asian republics sitting, once upon a time, and today independent sovereign states, and you know what word you and i havent uttered at this table for a long time afghanistan, yeah, here are the islamic fundamentalists, again islamic fundamentalists, again with the money of the usa, which were raised there, even though the states left afghanistan, the taliban remained there anyway, they are already thinking about how to return, by the way. Yes, the taliban remained there anyway, and we know very well their influence on tajikistan, uzbekistan, and kyrgyzstan and kazakhstan, kyrgyzstan, thats it what the president is talking about the second important point is a mental, agerelated moment, yes , you and i, sitting at this table, were all born in the soviet union, those who are older, we remember, in fact, in every country i have an acquaintance, and in some places even friends, yes, with whom we keep in touch today and communicate. But today, coming to the same azerbaijan, it is very difficult to find a young man who speaks russian, they speak their native language, naturally, and they speak english rather than russian, or turkish, or, well, in principle, languages , and kazakhstan is the same, azerbaijan, this is in georgia is the same, whoever vacationed in batum knows about this, but its only possible for people of this generation to breathe into this unity new meanings and new. Life, without this, well, excuse me, the states will be pulled apart into pieces, what is with the circle, according to alone, all these independent states will essentially lose their sovereignty, thats what will happen, this is in a mild case, in the worst case, military conflicts will begin there, so ill say that this is not the first time our president has had a community of independent gasart at this highest level in this vein he says, but every time yes beautiful wise speeches do not always find a response in all the hearts and minds of the leaders present here, because we unfortunately must note that yes, well, lets say takaev, he belongs to the older generation, he was born, he graduated, yes , and not even classmates with lovrov somewhere, in my opinion there and so on and so forth, there is also a role here, maybe there really is a misunderstanding of some yes, the dangers that exist, not every country has a leader like ours, Alexander Grigoryevich lukashenko, because lets do it this way, back in the early nineties. Years, he was the firstborn, yes, the instigator of all these processes, and reintegration and sovereignization and true independence from the west and an independent path of development, today, of course, in the same kazakhstan, yes, well, its quite difficult to introduce such a thing, as if purely about ours, yes prounion policy, because a significant part of the business there is connected with england and the United States of america, here we are in the republic of belarus, we didnt allow this, its easier for us, remember, when economic sovereignty is yes, like the president he also said that our. Economy should not be creditdependent, i remember these speeches of his, when he spoke about import substitution, he was not just thinking about economic things, he was thinking about political consequences, social ones, and this is about preserving our sovereignty , therefore, when we are developing Union Building today, we are setting an example for everyone present here, which you are now showing, but if the friendship of independent states, the president correctly noted, the very moment has come when it is necessary to get rid of simple labels. And it is correct to talk about those existing problems that exist today, because they really threaten, because these same countries, the same kazakhstan, let us remember, after all, a year ago, who saved it, and from an internal catastrophe, again belarus and russia, and every time we are sponsors of stability, not only in our own countries , but also not only in the distant, as it were, but in the near abroad, but all our colleagues, as it were, and those who are members of the commonwealth of independent states, should still careful. The risks that exist and what they will lose if they collapse, god forbid, it is still a wonderful collection of a community of independent states, i can add, literally, just a year ago we were in bishkek with a whole group of experts, in in principle, we can say that central asia itself, the countries of central asia, are under close scrutiny and attention from the British Intelligence services. The number of britishoriented schools is probably three to four times higher than those schools, namely elite schools, not ordinary schools simple education, and elite schools, than russian speaking schools, for example, and a lot of turkish schools, including, there is a very strong islamization, we must also say this, and it is a separate form. They are acquiring radical, radical forms of islamization and it all looks like you know, with a sharp bias, on the one hand, it is the residents of kyrgyzstan, they really revere the soviet period, there children still go to galstok and look like during the soviet union, they say mom, the soviet union brought civilization, but at the same time we we see very much strong penetration of this small, medium and higher, but bourgeois mentality, there is a very Strong Division , this is not only for kyrgyzstan, it concerns this, yes, everything, all countries of central asia and this naturally leads to the most important thing, there is a very strong formation protest, internal protest movement , china understands this, because china directly borders them and china literally this year launched a new initiative called c yes, that is, four countries of central asia and china. And the main program that china is promoting is the creation of economic conditions, that is, it is necessary to educate. There will be no work, there will be no economy, it will be a very easy sacrifice for the british , i agree, but agree, for you and me, those present here, its still quite a shame that our influence in these countries is being replaced, albeit with a friendly one, but were talking about china they should say this, thats right , they should just say it here, and say that our president always emphasizes this, so that. Integration was not only in words, but in fact within the framework of the commonwealth of independent states there is a free trade zone, yes, we have the eurasian economic union, but today our investment mechanisms are very far behind, the only driver is the union state of belarus and russia, which should not just be an example, but should be something that the Central Asian states should repeat. And the transcaucasian republics, this is one moment. The second important point is that education is degrading. Thats why there is a departure from the secular state , because education is deteriorating, because other values ​​are being thrown in, replaced, in principle, secular development, modernist development, modern society is a certain feature. And value for the same kyrgyz, uzbeks, that is, not just civilization, but technological, social development, this is this, this is the next moment, and the third moment, this is the integration of civil society, yes, belarus, russia, we have educational structure etc. Integrated, for example, take the same central asia, really, a year ago i was also in kyrgyzstan, in parallel. When they tried to unify a single history textbook, a common alphabet, almost organize a common turkic language , well, she is from the turkic people, but in general, that is, we have competitors in this space, they invest a huge amount of money not just in the economy, they invest a huge amount of money in investments, information influence, imagine that all the neighbors of the russian the federations have been convincing that you dont need to have anything to do with it at all, for probably at least three decades, but this, well, imagine what absolute stupidity this is when next to you is a country of a hundred Million People with such natural resources, with such market, we see in the example of belarus , yes, lets call things in their own words, when suddenly russia began to think. Turned away, so to speak, in one place and turned around, lets face belarus directly, and what projects we have in literally 2 years, can you imagine what could have been done in 30 , while western europe and the United States of america had nothing stopping them from trading with russia, buying cheap energy from them, they themselves admitted, and barel, in my opinion, said that the foundation for economic success in europe, there have been miracles throughout all these decades. Russian energy producers, and that there are large american and western European Companies that did not have their offices in the Russian Federation to sell their products, while tajikistan, uzbekistan, they convince belarus and ukraine that this does not need to be done, but this is also our job, to explain to people, these eighteen, seventeenyearold tiktokers, and then go out into the street, saying why do we need russia, then that 15,000 employees of the minsk tractor plant with the help of. This is what they get, if you think that the west will buy our tractors, you are mistaken , look how they bought ukrainian grain, well, there is logic, in my words, ivan mikhailovich, absolutely true, and here you need to understand , that in almost all of these Central Asian countries, with the possible exception of turkmenistan, there is a huge number of ngos, just off the charts, so they work, and if you asked a rhetorical question, what do they convince with the nearest big one this system of ngos and most importantly, when i and my colleagues communicate with others , when you tell them about ngos, in many countries it immediately causes rejection, because many of them themselves feed from these ngos, thats the problem, that in central asia and the situation in kazakhstan this has shown that objective reasons have been created for where islam comes from everything goes here somehow and schools, i really dont know where there are three or four more than russians, russian schools are opening in kyrgyzstan, by the way, in kyrgyzstan the situation is still more or less normal, there is a big gap between the north and south, islamization, by the way, is connected with the first topic is hamas, why islam is in palestine, it is the Islamist Groups that have gained such popularity, islam is a social teaching, it is a teaching about justice, all members of the community are equal, and hamas, as well as hezbollah, in the south of lebanon, they open schools , they build roads, open mosques, they provide assistance, exactly the same thing is done in islamist communities, which often already exist autonomously on the territory of some Central Asian states , with the support of this International Islamic movement, this must be understood, that is, for an ordinary resident of central asia, i would not like to say here about any particular republic, the Islamic Community is the only social elevator that can exist, and it perceives this ideology, and there is no alternative to this ideology; on the other hand, the urban population, then what sometimes they call them white kyrgyz, yes, for them these ngos, these hipsters , whatever you want, bourgeois, call it, they are westernizing, and the question is no longer even about belarus, about russia, where is the russian strategy in this direction, yes, there are russian schools, yes there are joint universities, they are opening there, there are departments, but this is obviously not enough, there are no specialists, there is no highquality expertise in this region, recently, you say, they have turned to us, right . We are correcting many bugs that were have been admitted here for a decade, but what about in russia , theyve only been fighting for 2 years, and before that they flourished there, but what is it, they come there, look at our laws here, we dont have any, just the other day we had the conversation was big, open, debatable, we also criticized each other there, we found Common Ground at the historical forum, history for the future, where bloggers came on how to convey to young people what the president was talking about, how to find Common Ground, how to not let the west to entice oneself into historical myths, stereotypes of resentment, they actually let all the postsoviet countries follow the same pattern, they find some ancient battle, a fictitious golden age, then the evil russians and soviets came and here they are with you, look what they did, you remember i think these shots are from a kazakh kindergarten . After the collapse of the soviet union, all these republics became absolutely secular, absolutely nonreligious, and today experts, and even the elites of these countries , understand perfectly well that this islamization has very lets say, an explosive basis, this is terrorism and unfortunately, people are processed, islam is a very good religion, no problem, but there is one question that is asked all over the world, say that the majority of muslims are terrorists, but no, of course, but the majority of terrorists, not even the basis, hamaz has this wing, yes, there is not only hamas, there is also Islamic Jihad , various brigades within islam are called a wing, that is, these radical manifestations of such a thought, yes, that it doesnt matter religious circumstances, thats all entourage, religion or nationalism in ukraine, and so on and so forth, the most important thing is those separatist and elites who broke away from the soviet union and want, roughly speaking, to have their own population, their own economy in their own commercial interests, they are just looking. The americans also come and propose this very scheme that you are talking about so underestimated underestimated the islamic movement, islamic ideology is an absolutely independent movement and it must be said if we see in the example of central asia and many others countries there, the factions are not interested in islamization in many countries of the middle east for decades they have been fighting against islamization, remember shah iran what it led to, this is a good religion, this cannot be a bad religion, this is a perversion of islam, you know, it is used for these, we returned from altai for a week, an expert group was also held and young people came, students including from kyrgyzstan , and they openly said, girls, we speak for russia, because we dont want so that we are islamized and we go, yes, because this is what the trend says. Its gaining momentum more and more and were there for 1920 years, he says we see whats happening, its like a virus, he says, its penetrating, but only russia can contain it. Simply put, we need to create our own ngos, thats all, by the way, speaking of, this initiative was considered there today to support the russians, yesterday grezlov gave a very good speech, yes, that finally we belarus and russia have come to an offensive, like yours an event took place yesterday, although we saw that it was indeed there was a major historical forum, there were two greetings, a greeting from two president s, the republic of belarus and the Russian Federation, and the fundamental point was that for the first time representatives of different generations and academies met. Misunderstanding, sometimes we conduct good historical research, but we cannot broadcast it, how to convey this information about cultural community, Historical Community and agreed on what next year, by the way, about what our president of bishkeki is talking about, to hold a Forum Countries of the cis, and separately hold such events for young people, issues of ideology and issues of history cannot be underestimated, we have seen this from our own experience, and the historical policy that we are pursuing in the republic of belarus, if you like, we are ready to share it, we are ready to show our achievements already, we know, belarusians are sometimes such modest people, we will do something, but sometimes we dont want to promote ourselves like that, but from the outside they tell us you have achievements, in some issues we are even ahead of russia, the law was mentioned here about enogens, we did not introduce no enoagents, but we consistently pursue our policies, cultural, educational, scientific research, and even over the last 3 years since the twentieth , well, lets be honest, a lot has been done and its not for nothing that the president constantly emphasizes, here i am, here he is looking, and we we look at how our opponents react, if they are angry and enraged , then we are doing everything correctly, our historical policy, as well as our information policy, literally makes our opponents furious, we recorded our program at lunchtime, discussed the israeli conflict, this hamas and the west devoted a lot of time to its role, here came a comment from the head of our state, the situation is changing at a rapid pace, it is changing very much, more and more new challenges are appearing take the middle east, they are not only shaking us up, they are already shaking up the whole world, god forbid we stop, so as not to approach the third world war, approximately in the same vein, they have already directly stated that if there is further escalation, then the use of Nuclear Weapons is quite acceptable, yeah, now now lets talk a lot about the usa, here is the United Nations organization, you know, there is also such an organization, well , the usa, the United States of america, this is an objective reality, here is a moment of surrealism, you know that the special rapporteur on belarus anise morin presented his next report, there are just a few quotes about the situation in belarus , but the first quote, yes, she works at a university in poland, but now well talk about it, quote one, the situation in the field of human rights in belarus continues to deteriorate, despite the reduction in the number of street. Protests, the decrease in attention to them from the world media, further, further it will be better, antiterrorism legislation is applied to persons who express disagreement with the ongoing war in ukraine and who oppose it. The Investigative Committee announced more than 30 criminal cases initiated under article 289 of the criminal code on acts of terrorism. These include the socalled cases of reality. Partisans related to the alleged damage to Railway Lines and other acts of sabotage at infrastructure facilities in order to prevent the movement of Russian Military equipment and troops on the territory of belarus; in almost all cases, these actions to damage transport routes, remember, were considered by the belarusian authorities as acts of terrorism, that is, if israel began war with hamas, and the americans supplied them with missiles, and we saw that the poles supplied them with volunteers, weapons, or the poles supplied the ukrainians, well, lets take the americans, yes , that means any american who speaks against the war, has the right to go out onto the railway and damage the track, then you will end up in a un special report as a hero, you understand, these are enemies, how can we analyze the enemys propaganda, can you imagine that during the great patriotic war or on the eve of goebbelss propaganda or. Lets formulate the criteria, if you heard the words, human rights, after which there are some stories about your homeland, belarus, know that this person is an enemy of our country, thats it, our supporters avoid these terms, this one, two, look, here is todays democracy, human rights, i will repeat again, and many more. These are the tools to make us feel defective, as soon as we start to feel defective, we become vulnerable, he doesnt need to react to this , look, i dont know what shes smoking or what, but she also did an investigation on machulishchi, she writes the state Security Committee opened a criminal case for attempting to commit an act of terrorism, and on march 7 , 2003, the president announced the arrest the alleged criminal and more than twenty of his accomplices, but she hints that these are innocent people, she also says that at the same time, the buypole, an association of Law Enforcement officials opposed to the belarusian regime , which took responsibility for the attack, reported that all persons involved in its preparation, they managed to leave the country , that is, 20 people were arrested, well, read , yes, there is generally an authoritative organization here, well, you understand, in quotes there are obvious bandits, it seems that they they pay not for meanings, but for signs, how can one relate to this, after that, relate to the United Nations organization, how can one generally relate to what is written here, why, because well, it seems that it was written by some. This like a report on belarus, but the very fact that delegitimation is happening of this very organization, well, i dont want to break my fast after this, sooner or later they will come to me for some meeting or somewhere with employees of an organization from a specific country in their personal how to talk to them after that there is no need to talk to some kind of madman, he will continue exactly the same policy in the future, then this organization , while it is beneficial as a platform for a little while, can still speak out there about what we want from this petty riffraff, but that means some propolish agents there who snuck in and are hiding behind this and, as it were, a badge, if gutierrez says the following about the israeli, it means. This whole terrible plot, he calls on the americans and the west please, introduce military operations taking into account some kind of humanitarian, maybe secretary general, he says, if it is created to maintain security, and i will demagnetize, he must say, stop, the president of belarus said this instead of him, but lets drop this topic, we hope that all this, although there are no signs, im afraid, that other countries will be drawn into this whole mess, and there will be escalation , i want to say again that we, the club editor , i personally condemn what hamas did, what we saw, it is simply unacceptable, it is an act of terrorism, but we call on politicians western, different sides to look at the israelihamas conflict, correctly, i put it roughly like this, and not to lie to people, as you always do, unfortunately, you just need to remember that. In the seventies, eighties, these were strategic developments of where the third world war could occur came down to one thing, for us, for the americans, that it would be the middle east, as a trigger for the outbreak of the third world war, no matter how now someone wants to return to this, on the other hand, i now i would like to say so figuratively, maybe a little paradoxically i must say, unfortunately, sometimes some thoughts tend to materialize, for example, in lvov at one time they released a globe of ukraine, so as not to happen now so that our entire entire planet does not turn into this bleeding place. By the way, i missed kirbas statement, but if we comment on the program ends, i can read, or listen to the fact that the american ukrainian rope is ending, you probably heard, yes , well, theres nothing to say then, probably, that he said that we wont, you cant, yes plan longterm support if you come to the end of the rope, he said, funding will continue, continue, continue, but not forever, yes, what we were talking about is hello to zelsky, who was fooled, who, there is a good word, blinked missed his country, although they explained it to him, the president said in technical terms how long, as long as we talked here, there will be war, chokin sat here, i remember saying, there will be no more ukraine, there was so much there before that, but it cant happen here , now they say its so simple putin attacked us, we told you that there would be a war, who cares who attacked whom, we told you that there would be no territory. But here is the situation, elections in poland, local ones, what are they doing, on the meta network they suddenly began to block many groups that criticize the law and justice, the peace party is preparing for elections, yes, messages like these appear, i went to the page as always polish propagandists, state ones, who were captured by peace in his time, kicked out those who disagreed, look at the headlines, he just took it. Poland informant for the kgb and fsb, why tusk allowed this, debate, all of poland saw the face of donald tusk. Mikhail rachin refutes tusks lies. The Prime Minister of poland, the tusk government was ready to give half. Poland into the power of the russians, kaczynski is using lies in this Election Campaign of the opposition, why did tus want to destroy the president of poland, lekhachinski, this is a new persia, i didnt know it, that in general, here is polish television, im also on this, not only television, everything that signed, at least thats it harsh propaganda in favor of one party, which many are already saying that there was no such polish propaganda in the peoples republic of poland. Well, i dont have anything else, stupid for the idiots, they are in fear, here, here, dont underestimate the political scientists of pis, why, because they are clearing out the infraspace, there was literally the day before yesterday when they simply banned broadcasting an address. The president s speech the most popular, that is, its like, such fresh air in their information, this vacuum, this is the second point, and the third point, this is, of course, then, that this week, as the president of belarus, by the way, predicted, and the polish diplomat , charge daffaires vaitsekhovsky, attended the event for the First Time Since the twentieth year, the heirs and relatives of the polish soldiers who died under lenino arrived and said certain complementary things, although as a result we see the polish meeting not allowed a belarusian deputy to be not just a deputy, a participant in the osce mission, but an osce mission to observe elections in poland, that is , not everything is so simple there, the elites today are thinking about what and how to build with us, then there is and want to improve, and inject, because overseas comrades say nonono , in no case is it worth it, the Russian Federation ordered a study, and the polishlithuanian commonwealth conducted a study, an Election Campaign that is fair to everyone, Something Like this, the question sounded, yes, how many, 8. 5 , no, 56, 2, while among opposition supporters they consider the Election Campaign dishonest, 82, what a consolidation of the percentage of voters, all the election debates, the main general debates took place this week, took place as performance, that is, the peis program was taken, only the issues of their program were discussed, 60 seconds were given, and between the speeches of the opposition parties, the journalists told what achievements they had made , why are you talking about our teachers of democracy, how can you not only have state media there, on the one hand right right justice yes built a state media system, for which, by the way, brussels was criticized as authoritarian and so on, this is really so, its not for nothing that ill say it again, jerzy wyator, the same patriarch of russian politics, polish political science, former minister, he called autonomy is the same media, its just that the fundamental question is not even how peace builds, thats good, if it werent peace, there would be tusk, in principle, but what kind of division is this that they are selling, they are political strategists what they are doing, selling, they say its a market. Tusk, and the rest are a priori already called secondline parties in the information field, thats right, yes, they marginalize them, and then there are third parties that dont even make it into this list, which have been washed out for three decades, subjected to repression, and where share ours socialists, and the same thing is observed not only in eastern europe, but in other countries, there are similar surveys of distrust in this pseudodemocracy, in the political system in all countries, but this system is maintained, turnout is falling, again this distrust is growing , from time to time, a third force that consolidates dissatisfied voters around themselves, and then they disappear, remember the five stars in italy, remember the protest vote in spain, remember, even before our eyes, the fate of lupine, who is the letter. With rich traditions, and who is general de gaulle . General de gaulle is a man who advocated sovereignty. For national interests, what orban is doing, and we look at the example of orban, but what will happen next, after orban, work is already underway to ensure that there is no political, around the government, what kind of methus is going on now, but how we will support him, what we will do , we need to invest, we need to act, thats what zhuk said, we need to not just talk, but act, colleagues, well, i listened to you, you so its all. Stated, its really true, but what we see as a result, we see the anglosaxon model, when two parties, there are no others, stage a performance for their population, in fact there is no longer a choice when this system begins to operate , it still remains to determine the electors from the voivodeship in poland, and they will and will appoint, appoint a parliament and a president , call elections, which in all languages ​​of the world, from english to russian, means the same thing, so i am completely uninterested in this rat fuss of a mouse fuss that they are there as blinken recently said a wonderful phrase, yes , he gave an interview to atlantic tv channel and said i hold elections in all countries of the world, except for the United States of america. thats it , the freudian slip is that he told the whole truth, i would just like to appeal, thats what he wanted, i would just like. To the polish people, not even in the sense that voters, to our neighbors and brothers, because we were once brothers, this can be easily remembered, dear poles, please remember one simple thing, i would generally formulate such a law, it means that if you started to engage in russophobia, then this is the beginning of a road to nowhere, look at ukraine, thats where cowardphobia flourishes, where belarus and russia hate their closest neighbors, it always ends badly, its you, excuse me, who are simply. Disoriented , you are lost, and you shatabryan once said , people who dont believe in anything can easily be taken where you look at the poll results, they dont believe, well, of course, the Election Results can be completely different, here you know that very important, Political Technology is a concept such a drying up of turnout, if you dont believe it, dont go to the polls and let those who vote for us come, yes conditionally, so they work for the same thing, that is, they suppress any dissent, any kind of protest. Voting encourages only supporters to come to the elections, moreover, if we look at who the supporters of peace are, then these people basically go to the polls, that is, these are people connected with the state, with the authorities, disciplined, those who will definitely come to the polling stations, this week there was a scandal with two generals who resigned, mr. Blaszczyk explained the next day, they resigned because, you see, they do not support peace, and in general, if on october 15 of this year, peace remains in power, we can say that a real new phenomenon is being formed in poland, today, this is partyocracy, when the Party Appoints its people to the army, even to private and foreign corporations, yes, thats absolutely right, courts are already being established today. That is, a real partocracy is consolidated when the collective written manages this entire system, but at least we have few editors today, but the club of editors, why do i pay so much attention to polish television, to public television, well, they correctly said that if independent, private, these rogues taught us. In particular, tvp, which sheltered bandits from belsat, you know, this is part of the structure, created them, a whole campaign against white telediokyia was launched in order to suspend membership, this is the first, second, i remember the twentieth year, those who walked here shouted, that we are engaged in propaganda time, look, you just noticed, im sure its the same in germany, but we see russianlanguage versions there, in belgium its the same in britain, im generally silent, its actually a journalist there. No, it exists, of course, they are all prim journalists, they smoke pipes, but by and large they are all doing the same thing, we are finishing our program, at the end, who are we dealing with, canada, my favorite, one of my favorite countries, sanctions introduced security threats towards me, which i am very proud of, because i always called them nazis, i did not im indignant at how dare you, then they told us fairy tales that my grandfather was accidentally applauded in parliament, there was a scandal in the forward publication, but we have graphics, it turned out that the government. Canada financed nazi organizations and allocated 2. 2 Million Dollars to champions of ukrainian nazis, this publication writes, most of. Was transferred to the congress of ukrainians of canada, supporting the sss glitchin division. In canada after the war, about 2. 0 ss men from this division alone found their refuge yes, thats the most interesting thing, that two weeks ago we talked about gunko and talked about stydko, who was honored by mr. Reagan in the white house , we must not forget about this, here are photographs of these young people, we must not forget who stedko is, this is the man who proclaimed the ukrainian cathedral power. On the very day when jews were being crushed there, simply the most brutal, one of the bloodiest pogroms , in which this man was also guilty, he was the leader of aun banderas exile, this is the first and second, the leader the americans created an antibolshevik bloc of the people of all peoples of all, this is the main antirussophap, as it were, which was officially recognized by the americans, so what are we talking about sponsoring, in america the nazi, fascist, in my opinion, operates legally. There are only four parties that are based on the principles of fascism, well, it turned out that the canadian government financed at least eight organizations that expressed support for the ss veterans of golichin, so that we can clearly imagine the scale of the pogroms in lviv at that moment, this means that according to the census of the polish state in the thirtyninth year, in the thirtyeighth year carried out in lviv, 8 of ukrainians lived in the village, only 8 , thats how much they expressed later, today by the way, he said that im also a jew, yes, his grandfather, he said, or greatgrandfather, once fled from russia, from persecution, and then, uh, from his relatives, they were either burned in the ovens of dachau there, asvenzep, and somewhere else in poland in germany, i looked, yes, yes, well, thats why i support you, we immediately wrote that dear comrade, who they say was then damnkin. That russia from which he fled was called kiev at that time, they lived in kiev , they were running away from whom, from the ukrainians, from bandera, from bandera, ironically, i never knew about this, as i understand it, for this was a discovery for everyone that blinkin, once upon a time, who now supports banderas supporters, his children and greatgrandfather there or greatgrandfather ran away from these same banderaites so that they would not stab them with velos, thats whats going on. Can i just have one more minute, can i, if it goes on air, this is the time of choice, yes it will, just about this, yes, adoptive grandfather blinkin, which means his story is that from the year forty, from the fortyfirst, he sort of ended up in these yes please majdanek and auschwitz dachau, dachau and then somehow survived there, im just surprised, you can imagine, but blinkin is 4 years old, but blinkin is from kiev, and the people of kiev, she said, drive him away from russia. See you in a week, goodbye, its actually surprising, yes, in the 21st century, instead of the whole world exploring new planets, evolving correctly. Develop technology, we are forced again to face this social monstrosity called fascism, we all see how the situation is developing on our southern borders , on the western borders, the level of terrorist danger is really high, there will be more provocations, there will be more attempts at terrorist attacks on the territory of belarus, there will be more destabilization attempts, especially by the year 24, by the elections by the twentyfifth year, relax, in any case, thats interesting, it doesnt work to demonize, we have created such a unique. 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Experts call the current time the battle for africa. Is gradually clearing itself of the colonialists of the past and is ready to cooperate. Africa is objective, our field of opportunity is with us can and want to cooperate. The nato countries almost immediately decided to conduct exercises in the baltic and black seas. During the maneuvers, landing operations and strikes from sea to land will be practiced. We invite the polish military to our training refusal in exchange for helicopter provocation. We do it without visas, we get closed ones. Borders, someone else has the impression that we are pushing it. Main topics on the main broadcast. Watch on the tv channel belarus 24. A show where they fight, not with the help of physical force. As you know, before competitions you need warm up thoroughly and warm up all your muscles. By the way, the same applies to the head. How exactly, one french figure noted, you can give in to force, but without. Painstakingly submit only to the mind, a show where the main weapon is the intellect, the main thing now is to concentrate, collect all your thoughts in a heap and be attentive, all these medals were awarded for victory in summer olympic games, except for one thing what medal are we talking about . Sochi, sochi, absolutely right, this is the correct answer, but activity will also play a role in who will score more by the end of the game total points, he will be the winner, how many belarusian. Clubs traditionally play in the Champions League qualifications, alexey, one, one club, absolutely right, watch the intellectual show, head game on our tv channel