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The wests flirtation with ukrainian neonazis was bound to end in a scandal sooner or later, but it happened during the ukrainian president s visit to canada, where immediately after zelenskys speech in parliament, one of the speakers proposed honoring the veteran of the struggle for ukrainian independence against the russians. The only problem is that ninety an eightyearold man in his youth fought against the russians as part of the fourteenth volunteer division. Waffen sss, where he took the oath of allegiance to adolf hitler, so that the ovation given to him in the Canadian Parliament was perceived by millions of jews, russians, belarusians, poles around the world as a personal insult. Moreover, in the Canadian Parliament itself, the leader of the ruling majority turned out to be the daughter of a jew who miraculously escaped during the holocaust. As a result, she, along with other colleagues, achieved the resignation of the speaker, who invited the man to parliament. He repents and takes full responsibility. Himself, and the jew zelsky, whose grandfather fought against the ss men in the red army, is silent, just as they are silent in washington, london, paris and berlin, only the polish government has announced that it will seek the extradition of the almost centuryold ss man for his trial. Germany is temporarily reinstating passport controls at its borders with poland and the Czech Republic, citing a surge in Illegal Migrants into the country. Since the beginning of the year, 200. 3,000 people have applied for Refugee Status in germany, which is 77 more than last year the same period last year. Warsaw responded by saying that the germans should revise the rules for granting political asylum in the direction of tightening them instead of creating artificial difficulties at the border. But the leftliberal government of germany is not going to abandon the practice, which is based on the ideology of transforming the federal republic of germany into a country with a racially mixed population. The entire Czech Republic and especially poland, whose diplomats were recently convicted of issuing visas to africans and asians for bribes. Conducted by the washington post, in collaboration with Abc Television company the survey showed a ten percent lead for donald trump in a hypothetical competition with current us president joe biden. If elections were held in the near future, the current owner of the white house would receive less than 42 of the vote. And his predecessor 51. All measurements show an unsatisfactory assessment of the americans and the work of the current president approximately 56 of respondents are dissatisfied with bidens course and about 70 of us citizens consider the president s advanced age a serious problem for his reelection. Its no coincidence that more and more representatives of the establishment within the Democratic Party are calling on biden to refuse to participate in the elections and nominate another candidate who could confidently win. Today we will once again talk about ukraine, perhaps ill start with a quote from the novel of the great of kiev by mikhail bulgakov, the white guard, which was long banned by the ukrainian authorities. Elena sighed heavily, looked at her watch, was silent, then spoke again lord, lord, if the germans had not done this meanness, everything would have been fine, two of their regiments are enough to crush this loop of yours like flies. No, i see that the germans are playing some kind of vile double game, why are there no vaunted allies . Oh, scoundrels, they promised, they promised, the brothers involuntarily looked at the stove, here it is, the answer is here, the allies are bastards, and those from zelskys team who read bulgakov probably recalled these words from the novel on the way from new york, why the west began to turn away from the ukrainian authorities, and what consequences this will have for. The conflict, answers to these questions will help me look in todays program oleg gaidukevich, deputy of the house of representatives of the National Assembly of the republic of belarus, chairman of the liberal Democratic Party of belarus, hello, good afternoon, Vadim Aleksandrovich maslikov, expert at the bureau of militarypolitical analysis, corresponding member of the academy of military sciences of russia, today with us, i greet you , good afternoon everyone, in addition, the peoples deputy of the Verkhovna Rada of ukraine is joining our broadcast. Ninth convocation, candidate of political sciences, diplomat, oleg valoshin, oleg, greetings, hello, according to tradition, we begin our discussion with a flash question. Olek sergeevich, do you think there is a feeling that the west is tired of ukraine, of zelensky, of rhetoric, of the war in general, but someone is tired, but i have no illusions that we are nearing the end of the war in ukraine, because that america would like to continue it. As much as possible, it is beneficial for them, they would also like europe to catch fire, so that there would be more serbia and kosovo, so that armenia and azerbaijan would surround russia, so that there would be a conflict there was, and for everything to burn for decades, thats why the europeans are tired, but who asks them, no one asks them, politicians are forced to listen to peoples opinions, they start some kind of rhetoric, like with peace initiatives, some conversations, what is needed somehow reconsider something, because people ask questions, but they are not independent , the west is tired, we see this in generally clear manifestations, expressed in statistics, roughly speaking, yes, in questions and so on and he cant help but get tired, actually speaking, this is quite understandable, yes, it is pointless, this is the basis for a change in tactics, and even some operational space, in fact, in the politics of what is happening today in ukraine, in europe and in the world. Thank you, oleg, lets talk about, first of all, plans and goals, because we hear today from the western press that there is still interest not in continuing the hot phase of the current conflict, but in freezing it, do you think . Support for this vision of developments in europe or in the west in general . Well, i still do. I will say that, in my opinion , there was no willingness to agree on anything today in the west, and here i agree with my respected belarusian colleague, the fatigue today is rather about specific individuals, more precisely from the role that these individuals tried to play , that the actor zelensky at some point tried to become the director of this show, and he was very clearly reminded that he cannot be a director in the global sense at all, and yes. Inside ukraine his the role of exaggeration lately, and from here there have been conversations about the possibility, there are prospects for elections, about the possibility of replacing him, and so on, and at the same time there is no readiness to negotiate anything with russia, the west from the west, but the most important thing, it seems to me, that in moscow today, at the stage of the conflict that we have, there is no readiness to simply freeze something, but there is an understanding that no one needs freezing, it really is not needed today, neither russia. Not west, but some kind of transition to such a stage when it is possible, namely fullfledged opportunities, there are prospects for elections about the possibility of replacing him and so on , and at the same time there is no readiness to negotiate anything with russia, the west from the west, but the most important thing, it seems to me, is that in moscow today, at the stage of the conflict that we have, there is no willingness to simply freeze something, there is an understanding that no one needs a freeze, it really is not needed today. Neither russia, nor the west, but some kind of transition to such a stage is necessary, when possible, fullfledged agreements that will ensure some kind of sustainable peace, and for the ukrainians who die every day, but just, as they used to say, they just stop shooting, this would already be a success in my understanding, but the key players, of course, are completely different they see this, and lets say, neither russia has yet solved any of its strategic tasks at the moment, much less the west, at least, has not given up hopes of solving these strategic tasks at russias expense, so just take to freeze now is unrealistic, in principle, oleg, have you heard the statement of one of the deputies of the servant of the people that our state will move from the parliamentarypresident ial model to the president ial model, strong leaders, just the other day this statement appeared, about what can this say in your opinion, well, it says that this is a gentleman. Kornienko, they have such a figure there, the whole first vicespeaker of parliament with the appearance of, you know, a private visitor, a liqueur in a grocery store, this comrade, well, actually expressed some kind of an abstract thought, because for a long time, in ukraine they tried to build not just a president ial model, in fact, a dictatorship, where the fate of people is decided at the bank, even those who. Like some of my colleagues, who betrayed the principle that that their people were once elected to the Verkhovna Rada, they were on the same list as me , they tried for a year and a half to implement a completely opposite prowestern agenda, it didnt save them, they still ended up where they were under arrest, well , lets talk in more detail about the difficult relationship that is developing today between the leadership of the United States of america and ukraine, no longer an idol. The United States of america has cooled towards zelsky, as well as about the unsuccessful visit of the president of ukraine to his overseas curators, we will tell you in our story. The end of western aid victory for russia and fatigue from ukraine. This is how many media assessed vladimir zelenskys recent visit to the United States. First of all, the meeting was dubbed a failure because of the help that kiev received, or rather, didnt receive it. During his visit to the United States, zelsky hoped to receive the previously promised 20. 4 billion, which is exactly how much joe biden requested from congress back in august, but in reality the amount turned out to be 70 times less, barely reaching 325 million. The new package of military assistance to kiev is estimated in 128 Million Dollars , plus ukraine will receive weapons and equipment worth another 197 Million Dollars, these are air defense systems, artillery ammunition, means of protection against Armored Vehicles and cluster munitions, we will be united with ukraine, since it provides their future, but is it possible to talk about unity when the aid figures are literally melting before our eyes, the question is rhetorical, at the same time the number of people willing to listen to demands for arms supplies has decreased, more and more people are getting tired of the constant reproaches of insufficient help from the ukrainian side , so in the us congress, voices of dissatisfaction with washingtons excessive spending on ukraine are already heard, according to many politicians, there are now enough problems within the country, including economic ones, and constant cash injections going to another country does not make the situation better. Zelsky, who was elected to congress, is he our president , im not going to promise anything , i have questions for him, where is the accountability for the money that we have already spent, what is the plan to achieve victory, i think this is what the American Public wants know, at the same time, even on the day of zelenskys arrival in the United States, the American Media immediately made it clear that this visit would not be successful, for example, they published failed ukrainian operations and evidence of ukraines guilt in the deaths of civilians, but experts do not believe in the moral side of the question. And most likely, the reason for the changes is completely different. Perhaps these meetings did not go so well, since the Investment Opportunities in ukraine are unpromising, why . Because the richest regions and Industrial Base of ukraine are located in territories that russia controls and will control. A year and a half has passed and the masks have been dropped. I think today the ukrainian elite, the socalled. Rather a mutually beneficial practice of cooperation and it is not for nothing that ukraine was often called an offshore of the United States of america and at the moment we see that, rather , for the United States of america the game is already coming to its logical conclusion, that is, everything they wanted from ukraine, they got first. And the territories, all the resources, again, are the same, even the last juices that ukraine can still provide in the form of grain and the same supplies, and even this no longer belongs to ukrainian farmers, but to american transnational corporations and not only, but lets just tell the truth, the ukrainian elites didnt wake up, they knew everything perfectly well, they they knew that they were being used, this is their crime, no one deceived them, they deliberately. Went to sell the country, to destroy their own people, for the sake of their financial interests, because they all got rich, zelensky, everyone who sits there, millionaires, where did he buy the pitchfork now, the former minister of defense of ukraine, where did they already calculate how much he paid for it , he officially receives a salary of 24,000 euros per year, he bought a pitchfork for a lot of money, daughters, daughters, but how much did he buy for himself . Everyone got rich, they sold the country in advance and this is their no one deceived them in the crime, otherwise someone will now think what naive people are sitting there, on the bank, but they did everything deliberately, this is their crime, the ukrainian people will sooner or later ask them, now about the americans, it has always been like this , this is their tool, they dont care about ukraine, they dont care about belarus, they dont care about france, poland, lithuania, no nato amendment will ever work. Article they will not fight for the poles, ukrainians, lithuanians, tomorrow a rocket will fall into poland, the americans will never fight for them, they will the rocket will be printed in dollars, this is their tool, they have their own internal problems before the elections, they have their own interests, for them there is only one task, to prolong the conflict as long as possible , if it works out, it can be done with less money, for gods sake, america will never win for ukraine i didnt believe it and dont believe it. Only a madman can believe in victory over the Nuclear Great power of russia, this is a fairy tale for fools, no one in europe believes in this, who understands anything, not the americans, their task is war, as long as possible the war, to weaken the European Union, to weaken russia, to weaken china, this is geopolitics, unfortunately, the fate of the ukrainian people, ukraine, in order for them to live well, is of least interest to the americans, but the truth is, Everything Else is their internal squabbles as well. Vladimir aleksandrovich, on the threshold of the president ial elections in america, the political elite is splitting, and indeed, ukraine has become a stumbling block. 30 senators and members of the house, representatives from the Republican Party spoke in favor of withdrawing any support, in favor of stopping any support, to the kiev regime, from their statement it follows that the American People do not sponsor freedom and democracy, but ukrainian corruption and theft, so we saw in our story the statement of mr. Macarthy, but what do you think, will the democrats cope with such a wave of criticism and will not contribute to it. And the increase, the change of candidate in the Upcoming Elections in the United States of america, is a matter of elections, democracy, let us also remember plato and aristotle, this is always a lie, these are generally tactically temporary, some moves, as if yes, which are closed from us the possibility of seeing a strategy, so yes, there is no point, now a lot of compromising evidence will be found on each other, faces, Everything Else, as it were, yes, but it closes the strategy from us, yes, there is no point, i repeat once again that society is tired of corruption and from incomprehensible injections, incomprehensible because they require an explanation of where our money went, and so on, and you can play on this, opponents are playing, its quite real, quite understandable, objectively, in general, expected, but the point is, what you asked me last time, but is not whether zelensky is changing tactics, but im tired of zelenskys changing tactics, but its irrelevant , you need to look at the essence, the essence is that its not the upper and not the lower. Level, but one of the fairly acceptable levels of explanation of the analytical events that are happening is the following, which, strictly speaking, the development of capitalism in the western world always takes place through competition, and america understands, that is, their analytical data, statistics show that, in general, the dynamics of growth, and their eu, there china, centers of power are beginning to slip, it is giving up, in general, that need to be done, they more than once they said openly that we would like to have another war like the one that happened, that is, to find a seething center again, throw basically the powder of war there and pump in money, so it seems to me that they actually achieved their goal, kiril molchanov to us joins, director of the institute for studying the consequences of the war in ukraine, kiril, well, you must agree, the United States has already achieved the redistribution of World Markets in its favor and has actually gained control over europe, both politically and economically, and the American Military presence in europe is increasing. The American Militaryindustrial complex received orders that it could not even dream of before. The question is what ukraine received in return. Well, what did ukraine get, pain, suffering, loss of territory, yes, tens, thousands, if not hundreds of destroyed destinies, the absence, most likely, of prospects for a normal life for an entire generation. I think thats what ukraine got, but theres a problem. The fact is that ukraine was not particularly asked, as i see it, that is, you were talking about the states, the states, in my opinion, well, in principle, their allies there are britain, they they use ukraine, the ukrainian state as such a country of a useful idiot, yes, or the country of a kamika, yes, because where else could one find such junior partners who would for some western interests, values, break their foreheads there the russian wall, which. Relatively speaking, will take responsibility for all those various terrorist attacks, sabotage, which most likely, i think, are carried out by western Intelligence Services on russian territory, yes, that is , there, lets say, mi6 there , i dont know, blew up Gas Pipelines here or there committed a number of terrorist attacks there or carried out strikes with certain drones, in kiev they will gladly take responsibility for this, lets talk about what kind of Financial Assistance ukraine planned to receive, what kind of Financial Assistance they will actually receive in the near future, especially we we understand that a fairly large number of american politicians, yes, they are mostly republicans, but they demand an account for the money spent, and at the same time , the Biden Administration and the pentagon notified senators that in the next 14 months, more than 100 billion dollars are needed to support military action on the territory of ukraine, and lets Pay Attention to the table with the amount of funding that ukraine has received from the west since the beginning of the special military operation. 150 billion dollars. Oleg, Oleg Voloshin is connected with us, oleg, 150 billion dollars. The question really arises most of this money was stolen, well, this is the practice of ukraine, yes, to manage that Financial Assistance, support in general, which she received from someone. The other part was spent on military operations, so. About this report, which we are hearing about more and more often from overseas partners, do you think this report will be provided, or , you know, the corruption scheme is so tied up american ukrainian, that it seems easier to me, you know, to leave this issue without answer, well, youre absolutely right, its hard to believe that all these 150 billion in real money ended up in kiev, no matter how thieving the ukrainian elite was, such huge money, it would simply be impossible, so to speak, to simply steal, if the truth were not that most of this money actually did not leave the west, it was simply transferred from one pocket in the west to another pocket, in this i mean, its true that ukraine has been beneficial before, just to a much smaller extent the establishment, primarily the Democratic Party associated there with the Soros Foundation and other structures there, such as usaid and so on, and then there is a war, but before, again, there was nothing new in this , colossal money were allocated, are allocated to support the syrian opposition, to support various rebel and terrorist movements in other countries, too. A significant part of this money went back to the same americans, the special services, and so on, who were behind it all, and now its generally so incredible war, as well as the most important thing, that american politicians should ask their own people, why, for example, are bills drawn up for new tanks, but old ones are delivered, which are generally subject to disposal . For their disposal, one would still have to pay, in theory, and here, uh, its paid for, as if a new tank had left the factory, and so on, crazy, crazy abuse, i think , naturally, not only zelsky and his entourage, although this is understandable, this is also absolutely correct, mr. Gaidukevich remembered minister reznikov, who was simply sent away resigned, but at the same time they were not brought to justice for stealing money, and he is there on the Southern Coast of france now happily smiling at everyone and waving and laughing at the fools who, as my belarusian colleague correctly said, are dying there at that time, but even more money remained in the west itself, this is the biggest tragedy, that ukrainians are dying not only for their own thieving elite, but also for the thieving elite of the entire west, by any means they want to get an additional 24 billion from the american budget in order to continue to destroy the ukrainian people and the country as a whole, here comes the intrigue, it is obvious that neither money nor longrange missiles will change the outcome of the conflict, because all summer we watched the vaunted counteroffensive, which did not about came in, and i remember, during a conversation with western journalists, Alexander Lukashenko said that yes, watch this very moment, if no counteroffensive occurs, the west, europe, in general, they will naturally begin to change their tactics , but still, what is the goal of todays representatives, but the elite in ukraine, if you can call it that, the goal is to drag. The whole world into blood, destruction and chaos, if not, given the fact that quite a lot ukrainian assets have already been sold to the west, the west is not interested in seeing ukraine absolutely completely destroyed, firstly, the goal is very simple, they have been following this since the moment of election, back in the nineteenth year zelenskys team had the same principle, like in the balchisha boys, we should stand the night until the day, so they are convinced that what will happen then such that they are fort boys, jokes aside, they really are, this is an integral part of the mentality of those people who govern ukraine today, they are deeply convinced that they are fort boys, they are already there from comedians and people who led corporate parties for the oligarchs, turned into suddenly, those to whom the oligarchs bow, they are convinced that Something Else will happen that will help them, so the main thing is to stall for time, what kind of game is going on at all, if the americans were confident that in the event of a big war, their continents would they wouldnt suffer, in general, poland would have already fought, and even a Small Nuclear bomb, if it fell in europe, no one in america would be upset, its just good, and so now european production is being transported to america, its all great for them, the second point, that means ukraine is the worst ukraine, i agree with my colleagues, who know this country, love it, because they generally fight for the dollar, so that the green piece of paper remains afloat, thats when we see these numbers, and crazy help, its all printed on a machine , while there are wars not only in ukraine, while there is a war in the middle east, in africa, Something Else will break out, which means you can safely print these dollars, keep it afloat, it remains a currency, which means you can earn billions, millions, spread it out pockets and support the american economy, here the tragedy of the ukrainian people is that they are dying for the currency that someone puts in their pocket. This is the horror of the situation, and the americans will now do everything to make this conflict last, but there is a fear that if some line is crossed, they may they will suffer, thats why they dont attack belarus, thats why they dont attack belarus, because after the deployment of Tactical Nuclear weapons, strengthening defense capabilities, they know very well, they give the command to poland, attack belarus, the poles will execute, but there will be a blow according to them, the president has said so many times, we will strike at the decisionmaking center, putin said, an attack on belarus is a declaration of war on russia, this is not a special military operation, thats. Only this is holding back, if it werent for our power, strength , all of europe would have been on fire a long time ago. Vladimir aleksandrovich, but you must agree, initially, the United States of america, when they pushed ukraine into this clash, were convinced that russia was weak and would not be able to cope with this challenge, as a result, in a year and a half it became so strong and reformatted its work, again improved it militarily. Complex and today it is a fullfledged player, one of the key ones, which will clearly indicate to the United States of america that today it is time to say goodbye to its hegemony and the world has truly become multipolar, and thus the americans unwittingly pushed russia towards friendly, mutually beneficial relations with the same peoples republic of china, do you think, at what point will the parties come to an understanding that it is time to end this conflict . I believe that they have already come to understanding, i remind you that america is only money , unlike england, england has a strategy, america is only money, and understanding the process, in fact, when it deals with ukraine the Golden Fleece, today has led to the fact that this Golden Fleece has crossed the line and today he has become a black sheep, to put it bluntly. Today, the very money that is being invested in ukraine, we see that today it is toxic, toxic and, in general, does not bring the return that they expected, the one that they have already received, what have they received . And, the competitor, the eu, today the subroots, seriously, as olekgeevich said correctly, production has already been transferred to the usa, as it were, yes , and there are banks and so on, so on, so on, the roots under the exact production are quite significant, quite seriously, like would it . The competitor has been undermined, they have also been destroyed, it will not end yet, it will continue, there will still be a lot of interesting things, then russia, which is moving dynamically, and for some reason we are not talking about the same cia reports, is quite successful, stable, promising worldclass economy, in in general, also for a dirty war, and so on, as they believe, they are diverting their forces, resources, etc. , etc. , etc. , although we see that no, in fact, there are still more of us for development, this is our historical true, yes, further, in ukraine, now the americans need to invest money, where , it turns out, in restoring the economy , which, according to their calculations, is completely destroyed , there is a huge, huge hole there, just a weedless sinkhole, in principle, america , based on his understanding, already understands what is needed to change both zelensky, as was said earlier, and the question of ukraine, everything needs to be changed. Today it is toxic for them, in this we can actually find something in common with them, as if yes , but this is not the end, because their goals have not been fully resolved, but you know, kiril, we are used to perceiving europe as a wounded and weakwilled participant in the current battle, but at the same time i am glad that politicians appear completely opposed to the current rhetoric with thoughts, statements, arguments, i propose with you. Hear the reflective belgian politician directly now and analyze it. We started with humanitarian aid, of course, with the reception of ukrainian refugees, then we delivered ammunition, then guns and weapons, then armored cars and tanks. Now political leaders are talking about the supply of aircraft and fighters. Whats next . I ask my colleagues in parliament. Whats next and what purpose does it serve to win the war . I dont have the impression that someone will come out victorious , that someone will win this war, so what is the goal, to continue the war for another year, another 23 years, this goal, this is the goal that we are pursuing, and how much life will it cost, another 400,000, will we fight until the last ukrainian soldier dies , what is the agenda, is it our agenda or the american agenda that we europeans serve. Then, i think , that we europeans have a different agenda than the americans, are the americans interested in winning this war, i have no such impression, what is their real goal . Divide europe, become more powerful, try to find a way to strengthen nato, is this the american agenda administration and the Biden Administration, and what we want as europeans. Yes, kiril, i think you communicate with many european politicians and observe that this turning point has occurred, because before this, mainstream support for ukraine did not allow people with different opinions to express theirs. Perspective, today we see from sociological surveys which parties in Different Countries of the European Union receive more support, which politicians are popular today, that is, europe can still wake up from this terrifying dream, well , theoretically, europe can wake up, just like that they say, the point of befurcation has not been passed, yes, that is, we see that in many countries opposition parties are gaining popularity , which proceed from the National Interests of their countries, and it is obvious that being drawn, increasingly drawn into a military conflict, is disastrous for them, erroneous, in principle this does not provide any advantages , except for sheer expenses, so they see that well, as it seems to me, in general, the whole essence of the interest of the United States is not so much to defeat russia, although. It may be under some kind of goal, some main goal is simply to discord and rob their younger european partners, so many of them are beginning to guess about this, the tragedy of the europeans is that they will soon realize one thing, any war will still end in negotiations, the question is when how many people will die, so russia and the United States will sit at this negotiating table , there will be no europe there, no one needs it, in fact, also, unfortunately, there will be no europe, that is. Im not saying now, im not saying tomorrow, but they they will negotiate, even if we take the economy, let them analyze how the United States of america is now behaving in africa, when the french are thrown out of various african countries, the americans come there, not to protect the french, not europe, they are wondering how we can buy uranium now cheaper, the french dont care, its the same with ukraine , the same with any other issues , no one. Can bring russia to its knees, the americans know this, america will still be a strong state, yes, it wont have that influence, as before, no one will bring china to its knees, so the three of them will talk, and who will talk to germany today, what and what they decide, nothing, but you see, alek sergeevich, not so long ago from the lips of a european politician i heard the thesis that if today all absolutely adequate people understand that there is not a war between russia and ukraine, but between russia and nato and the west, then the final decision on ending hostilities will not be made in kiev, and not with the participation of ukraine, this prisco, of course, 150, how many billions, today the americans dont give a single dollar, whats next . Thats it, death of course, europe has no money, thats it, nothing will happen, nothing, or the poles will help, the poles themselves have nothing, they beg for money from america. Let me remind you that on the air of the program sas is authorized to announce that we are talking about ukraine, about the difficult relationship with the west, which is worth noting, the United States sent ukraine a list of necessary reforms to continue military assistance, Deputy White House National Security advisor mike pile sent interdepartmental coordination platform of donors, which brings together the eu, g7 countries and partners from financial institutions, with a list of reforms necessary for ukraine to provide military assistance to it, reforms naturally relate to the work of supervisory boards, Stateowned Enterprises of ukraine, anticorruption bodies, including naboo, the Supreme Council of justice , the Judicial Organization as a whole, the letter also speaks of the need for reforms in the ministry of defense and other Law Enforcement agencies, including the sbu, and changes in the document lists the priority of their implementation. Depending on this , a time period is suggested. Up to 3 months, from 3 months to 6, up to one year and 18 months, in general, oleg, i will remind you of a rather disappointing episode in your career, when from the rostrum of the Verkhovna Rada you declared that ukraine has no sovereignty, or , at least, this sovereignty has already been lost, and this was long before the start of hostilities in the territory. Ukraine , apparently, looking at a certain, this donor coordination platform, this plan of action, one might say, that ukraine, if it ever had one, has completely lost its sovereignty, and today nominally we see, yes, here are certain positions, the president of ukraine, the Prime Minister, peoples deputies continue to sit in the supreme rada, but none of them makes any decisions; today the key decisions are actually controlled by ukraine, the United States of america and a number of transnational corporations, can we say so. Give . Well, of course, because really, what is sovereignty . This is uh a Management System in which key decisions are made by the National Elite, and everything, naturally, that there, the National Elite can, should, must take into account the interests of allies, neighbors, and so on, but uh, the decision is never made for it and never these decisions does not come down from above , in this sense, the republic of belarus is indeed an excellent example, as it does not openly have allied relations with russia, but no one questions that all decisions concerning the actual territory of belarus, life there citizens of belarus and so on, is accepted by the leadership of belarus itself, and somewhere in there the opinion of the allies is taken into account by the partner, in others it is not taken into account, but no one questions that today the republic of belarus is a sovereign state, of course, today, zelsky very clearly after his visit to new york, is trying to say you are so dependent on us that you forget that you can make any decisions on your own, the result of this conflict in the most ideal version for you, really there will be no way that ukraine will be formed there with you in the role of dictator , where are you, where you and i will agree on Something Else, the result of this conflict, ideally for us, will be a ukraine for which, in which all decisions will be made by those whoever gets the call is not even the president of the United States or the secretary of state, they have. Enough to do, but who gets the call from the ambassador posted in kiev and talks about what needs to be done, this seems to be the key huge difference between states such as russia and belarus , which and i absolutely, by the way, i wanted to support mr. Gaidukevichs very correct thesis that in the end a multipolar world will be formed, where it will be necessary to deal with the same west, and i want to remind you, well, that is, the question is different, on what conditions to deal as a subordinate or to deal with as a partner . Partner or let there be a relatively equal dialogue. Belarus is now trying to position itself in such a way that it either deals with him as a dialogue partner, and ukraine, unfortunately, has positioned itself in such a way that it is subordinate, but sooner or later this dialogue will be conducted, i wanted to remember president lukashenko s message to the National Assembly, when one liberation journalist there suggested that he teach lessons in schools about how the anglosaxons are enemies, then president lukashenko smiled and said that there are different anglosaxons. And he personally knows those who are far from enemies , quite adequate people, so there is no need to invent eternal enemies for yourself, sooner or later both minsk and moscow will be quite normal in dialogue with the west, just not on the terms the west, about reforms, two words, which means thats why ill support my colleague, i remember our president , the allbelarusian meeting immediately after the elections of the twentieth year, and he then said a phrase that confirms what we are now discussing, if the west is something. Then he proposes to the country, do it for us people, you wont be mistaken, if the west sent reforms to ukraine or to any other country , they sent us so many times, the goal is not reform, the goal is not some kind of reform, the goal, i agree with my colleague, the goal is what a country was completely under control from start to finish, so the rules in the postsoviet space in europe, if the west advises you to do anything , do the opposite and you wont be mistaken, it means the country will develop correctly, so they told us, hold elections, never. If we dont carry out reforms, well never carry out reforms, change them, we wont change them, remove them, we wont remove them, then the country is moving in the right direction, as soon as the postsoviet leader in the west, the worst thing i see is if putin or lukashenko are ever applauded in the us congress, end for the country, thats it, its over, so we should always be scolded, which means we are moving in the right direction, its also worth noting that europe bats its eyes while it supports ukraine. Is coming to naught, Vladimir Putins plan seems to have worked writes the political publication, and the once seemingly unshakable support of kiev by europe is beginning to shrink, the most striking changes are in poland, which refused to supply zelsky with new supplies of weapons, but the problem of kiev is that support is not only drying up in poland, the same thing is possible to say about estonia, slovakia, hungary, of course, in kiev they pretend that everything is in order. And the ranks of his patrons do not stand in rows, but somewhere there putin is looking, rubbing his hands, the authors of the material assure, here we actually see excerpts, on the screen, Vadim Aleksandrovich, well, i immediately remember, yes, that is the wisdom if you sit for a long time on the bank of the river , you can see how the corpse of your enemy floats past, but really russia is not sitting waiting, but is fighting for its sovereignty, for its interests, and that it is watching how it turned out to be right in once again, and the same vaunted allies of ukraine, just like any other, first of all, the state thinks about its interests , even about the interests of its farmers, but as the party of law and justice in poland refers to in its election campaign, there is time scatter stones, there is a time to collect stones, now is not the time to sit on the shore, but behind all this, again, lies a large, prolonged strategy, moreover , voiced by them more than once, i will remind you that we can only assume that in poland inadequate people come, one changes the other, as it were, one is more inadequate than the other, but their whole program, like clockwork, it is carried out year after year, and what a program, a program in general, the polishlithuanian commonwealth, from mozh to mozh, we know how yes, as parts, i will remind you that, in general, those countries you listed , they, in general, were also included in the middle level of this program, that is, they, too, should, in general, be included in a large association, that same train, which will hold russia everything, in fact, from mozh to mozh, and the program is not american, the program is english, by the way, yes, thats the difference, which i say again, the important thing is that america does not want toxic assets in ukraine, but it wants toxic assets in ukraine had europe, the eu, the eu, so that it would burn its potential, which still threatens it, as it were, yes, and what you are talking about is irrelevant, some countries understand, but they are manageable, now if we are talking about countries those you listed seem to be the same train, thats another fairy tale, this is a different strategy, this is an english strategy , it is very difficult, i will tell you, it and the main thing is that it works, lets remember not at the level of a declaration, at the level of a signed agreement, by the year twentyfifth poland will have 800 tanks, the korean black panther , and this is a serious weapon and besides that. There is a lot of other things, that is, we can smile, sit on the shore, wait for passing crocodiles, or anything else, but the clock works there, and everything works out there, we cant throw it away from calculations, but by the way, we talked about polands certain ambitions to restore those territories that were once lost, and appetites regarding the territory of western ukraine, today these conversations have moved a little away. Side, what is the reason, in your opinion, well, poland, at least the polish elite, 23 of it, and not their imperial ambitions, are not going to give up yet, its not difficult to say, take history from a kind of restoration, like yes, but how long did poland control these territories . Yes, we remember that vilna was a russian city, as if yes, and gideminost , who is currently depicted on banknotes of lithuania, but was orthodox, spoke russian by and large, it is quite debatable here, where is ours, where is not ours, as if yes. Therefore, the restoration of reconstruction is a separate issue, but the important thing is that we do not have revanchism, yes , we have a plan, at least voiced by the president , denazification, demilitarization, we will not repeat what this means, it is important, and they have a plan land grabs, this is big, very significant and it should be offensive to the ukrainian people. Last week, two weeks, what kind of rhetoric was coming from the lips of polish officials, how they responded to the ukrainian elite, the answer could be translated as follows, listen, shut your mouth, you are completely dependent on us, and the conversation is like this, this is our western ukraine, what are you there you are showing off with grain , that you are doing some kind of replacement for us, who are you, that is, this is neglect, this is disrespect, i, for example, a belarusian, am offended, so i look, who are you . Thats how we treat it by and large to the ukrainian people, not to the top, but you feel that way, and this is very significant, poland has its own interest in ukraine, it will fight for it, no one gives anything to anyone for nothing, there is never free help, there are never free weapons, you have to pay for everything, now, by the way, you look, poland sells a lot of weapons to ukraine, it sells, you have to pay for everything, which they will then take away, but theres really nothing to take away, the trouble is that they took everything. It remains to annex the territory, but no one is now the modern world will not annex territories to poland; today we will take colonies in africa, and not an officially independent state, but complete control. Inside and out, what is independence . And here, remain independent, just what you have, in words, there will be a flag, a coat of arms, which means you can even speak in parliament, it will be in the Verkhovna Rada, in kiev, just what you will actually have, nothing, thats the problem, lets do it we will hear the opinion of Alexander Lukashenko, president of the republic of belarus about the completely unpredictable actions of poland, in which reason regarding ukraine . Finally they showed zelsky. That hurray, hurray, like gorby, gorby gorbachev, now no one needs him, and you think that poland is just crushing this poor ukraine today, but no, they already gave the goahead from overseas, we need to dump this zelsky, im tired, there are elections in america tomorrow , no one will even look at it, yes, kiril, this is the opinion expressed by the belarusian leader, do you agree, and indeed, on the eve of the elections it is difficult, sir. And international, how sustainable do you think it is . Candidacy in the Upcoming Elections from the democrats, or whether the democrats will really be able to find a worthy candidate, i think the situation here is a little more complicated, the fact is that biden, simply through his connections with his son, got into ukraine very strongly and deeply. His time, he now really has to hang around there , get out and answer all sorts of various difficult questions, but what zelskys team is doing, as i see, they are trying to play out, in fact, this is the question of ukraine, and directly, the factor of ukraine make it a factor in the domestic American Election campaign, that is, lets say, sell yourself, i apologize for the expression, sell. Here are military actions as a way of influencing, i think, not only probably on the democratic team, maybe on the republicans, and then try for the whole next year force in this way, support for mr. Trump is growing, and indeed trump would clearly ensure the end of the conflict as soon as possible, i will say, i will say only one phrase, thats. This whole strategy seems to me zelsky, yes, it falls under one wellknown title of the film, when, to paraphrase it, the ukrainian tail will try to appear as this american dog, so i think, frankly, how in kiev they will try to get out until november next year, when there will be state elections, i think that in the end they will go to, lets say, trump, if he wins and offer him dirt on biden, well, i dont agree with, well, clearly the tail wags the dog, compare ukraine and the United States america, it seems to me that this is still in vain, because there is nothing left of this tail; indeed, unfortunately, there are no decisions or opportunities to influence anyone or certain processes in todays ukraine , lets end our program by hearing the opinion of the former Prime Minister of slovakia jan chernogursky and we will summarize our discussion, please too. From the very beginning of the war in ukraine it was clear, from the very beginning of the war in ukraine it was clear that the war would end not in the victory of ukraine, but in its defeat and significant losses for ukraine, and i think that the west actually provoked this war for its own interests. This can be seen because when ukraine and russia agreed in istanbul in march and april last 2022 to end the war and reach a compromise, Boris Johnson suddenly arrived from london and convinced zelsky that the agreement with russia was invalid, this is good, ukraine must continue to fight, since then 100,000 ukrainians have died, no americans or british, but 100,000 ukrainians, which is why i believe that everyone western steps in the ukrainian war, especially in support of ukraine, are actually harmful to ukraine, and i do not support them. The main thing is that sooner or. Later the remaining ukrainian population understands who really was an enemy in this situation, who was a friend, oleg sergeevich, the final word of todays program, i provide this opportunity to each of our participants, we start with you, please, unfortunately, then , what is happening in ukraine is a tragedy, we have talked about this more than once, the war will end, i want it to ended faster, because every day of the war is the death of people , while someone is collecting money, while conferences dedicated to ukraine are being held, when politicians are telling fairy tales, lets fight to the end, fight, we will support you, at this time every day people are dying, so i would really like our leaders, and many of them have already begun to listen to our president , and belarus today is an outpost of the struggle for peace, today we are saving europe from war with our competent policies, we do not get involved in anything, we do not succumb to provocations, heard us they finally realized that the only way is to sit down at the negotiating table to stop the massacre that is now going on, when an entire people and an entire country are being destroyed by their own politicians. Thank you, Vadim Aleksandrovich, very good words, i fully join them, support them, and i will try to sum up our conversation so rationally, not so emotionally, rationally. So, according to zelensky, according to zelensky, the most effective, brightest, most convenient way to change policies, which now need to be upgraded to ukraine, this is the destruction of zelsky, allegedly by russian missiles , then what we talked about means in the introduction of an anticorruption system into ukrainian politics, this is not the first year that these graters have been happening, thats why they went through with such a big deal, with such a big problem, this is a completely controlled policy of ukraine on the part of the United States, no more, no less, further , the resolution of the conflict in ukraine, between america, as you hopefully said, and russia in terms of winwin is one thing it is america letting go of the destroyed ukraine as a lousy opus, which is no longer worth taking, in fact, there were only toxic assets left for the hump of russia , which counted hundreds of billions there, needed for restoration, that is, large resources, large funds for restoration, for cleaning, and so on. Its good for america, it has released a toxic asset, its good for russia, we re returning it. Their people, their lands, their blood, their history, their culture into our mainstream. Thank you, 30 seconds, kiril, please, yes, i will say literally one phrase, the point is, that, as grushevsky said, the trouble with ukraine is that all the time it was ruled by people who do not need it, now there is a huge part of ukraine, and there is another part of ukraine, which has always been consumed by this war, but i would like to stop it already, probably on any terms, thats it, but unfortunately, her point of view at the moment. Oleg, please, the final word, the end is near, what do you think . I think that the end is not near yet, especially taking into account the fact that every day is really paid for in blood, but it is definitely clear that there is no eternal there will be no dictatorship of zelsky; most likely, the conditions of any compromise on ukraine will be a change of power, carried out by the west itself, which is another matter. That i dont think that ukraine will be given up there, lets say, under any conditions there, even through the need to spend billions on its restoration to russia, i think most of it is not for that, a virtually sarasyad regime is now being established there, but when is that all ends, they will then begin to continue to fight russia and belarus using the usual methods for the sorys foundation, i still think difficult times, in this sense, in minsk, it seems to me, they adequately understand this, in this sense they are waiting for belarus in twentyfour or twentyfive, the war will end, but the struggle will not end. For changing the vector of development of belarus and russia further. Thank you, we put an end to this, we end our discussion, unfortunately, only a discussion, and not a war, which is still playing with no end in sight, and as i wrote in the same white