Identical views in general on history. Diplomacy on the economy, the goal of the previous meeting was to reach a billion in trade. Leningrad region, we have exemplary relations and efficiency, of course, must be greater, due to these relations. You and i know by what directions to work in order to get serious results. I am very glad that you visit us often, this indicates that you do not consider belarus a foreign land. For this i am very grateful to you, my sincere attitude towards the city on the neva, you know about your region, this is a region and people close to us in spirit, the closest, the closest due to our history of everything that happened during the Second World War , we have suffered with the leningraders, god willing, we have the same understanding about the paths of further development and planning. In general, our views are identical; we need to increase supply volumes by 20 year on year. There are opportunities, this is agriculture. Belarusians are actively sharing their best practices with farmers in the Northern Capital of russia, including in matters of supplying equipment and machinery. Belarusian enterprises are involved in working on state programs of the leningrad region in the construction of Water Treatment plants. These are big projects, i like them. Russian region belarusian urban equipment, satisfied with the work of builders, schools, facilities housing and communal services, the list of major areas for cooperation is large; today the delegation will discuss them in more detail at negotiations with the government. Warsaw continues to sever the ties of friendship with kiev, this time the polish authorities suddenly realized the matter of the rocket that fell last year in przewodwa. Polish investigators confirmed that on november 15 , 2002, ammunition from ukraine fell in the country, the rzeczpospolita newspaper reports. According to the publication, the ukrainian side does not cooperate with the polish investigation and does not provide any materials. However, despite this, the causes of the incident, which claimed the lives of two farmers, were established in warsaw. The conclusions, as the newspaper writes, categorically exclude the possibility of launching this missile from russian territory. It was a Ukrainian AirDefense Missile that exploded in shivodva. Killed two people, the publication cites the opinion of polish experts from the prosecutors office. Twenty people have been confirmed dead in nagornokarabakh following a strong explosion last evening at a fuel warehouse near stepanokert. According to the ministry of health, there were hospitalizations at the Medical Center 290 victims with burns of varying severity. Seven people died in hospital. The bodies of thirteen are unidentified, dozens of people are in extremely serious condition. Bad weather in south africa, in cape town and throughout the southwest of the country, severe storm showers led to a flood, which the local press is already calling biblical, trees were uprooted, settlements and roads went under water supply, a power outage in the western cape province, and weather forecasters forecasts are disappointing , they promise further intensification of heavy rain and wind. More information from my colleagues at 15. With this i say goodbye to you, all the best to you, history, nature, culture, faith, people, passion. You will love it once and you will not forget it again, everything is here. Hello, we welcome everyone who is with us now, we welcome the guests who are in our studio today, but lets start with, of course , nagornokarabakh, the situation around it, we see the aggravation that has happened now, the difficult situation, taking into account the fact that both states are not strangers to us. Of course, we understand perfectly well what is needed here give balanced assessments and try to be as objective as possible, although when you analyze the facts, you understand that you understand that this could not have happened without external influence, that many people are rubbing their hands at this moment, it is very difficult to maintain objectivity, nevertheless, we will try, nikolai evgenievich , in your opinion, this is the current aggravation, what is it about, why is it leading to what, first of all, it is about the fact that, no matter how funny it may sound, the stage of reconstruction of the world has entered a hot phase. Were talking about this approximately they said a month ago that in the near future, literally, probably at that time, we said in the coming months there will be escalations of conflicts in various points, and as an option, nagorno karabakh, moldova, and a number of other points were mentioned, this is the reality of our forecasts at the moment, that means, as regards situations, such conflicts, which have been playing for a long time, have deep historical roots, as you rightly said, require a balanced approach, in this situation, the government of states, both armenia and azerbaijan, solve their problems, by the way, the liberation of nagornokarabakh is one of the strategic tasks spelled out in all documents of azerbaijan, namely liberation, they consider it precisely from this. As for armenia, it wanted to sit on two chairs today, unfortunately, today it doesnt happen like that, remember the phrase a little pregnant, this is exactly how it turns out, on the one hand, from one platform it is declared that we are ready to recognize the independence of karabakh within azerbaijan, on the other hand, by all means, escalation occurs, escalation under the influence of external facts, in the general picture of the world, this is. Another point of instability, which is used to resolve the contradiction between the leading states of the world. This is the tension, indeed it can be traced even in yesterdays information flow, just a couple of headlines for those who are trying to restore the picture. First, we heard the ministry of defense of azerbaijan announced the start of antiterrorist measures in karabakh, then pashinyan made accusations, saying that azerbaijan was trying to drag armenia into fullscale military action. Thats why. With macron pashinyan had with blinkin france demanded an emergency meeting of the un Security Council, the kremlin calls on yerevan and baku, yesterday we heard about this to follow the previously signed trilateral documents, well then we saw what was happening on the streets of armenia , protesters came out, and pashinyan himself said about in an attempt at a coup, people are demanding pashinyans resignation, and weve been watching all day today, in general, the tension hasnt subsided. Alexey viktorovich, how do you look at all this . Well, here you need to understand firstly, that of course, inciting this conflict is one of the chains of confrontation between the west and russia, that is, the task of escalating all possible conflicts along the russian border, it has been standing for a long time and the karabakh conflict is very convenient here. Moreover, we see that this current escalation occurred after armenia, led by such an openly prowestern president , decided to begin gradually distancing itself from participation in the csto, from interaction with russia, as if showing that it does not currently have trust in the russian side as a peacemaker and guarantor of this at least some fragile peace, and a whole series of such ambiguous things done. With the americans, which led to such an active diplomatic sparring, to the appearance of some people in absolutely antirussian places there are heads of state, all this led to something, that is, there was a feeling that armenia was leaving this about russian guarantees, it is clear that the situation around nagornokarabakh itself is very difficult, its status, then there is, as it were, an armenian. Country, we respect it very much, and these are also our friends and allies in the odb, in the ias, and in the cis, but in this case the armenian side showed what he said correctly colleague, an attempt to sit on two chairs, and maybe even more, in this case, the very first step that could show the priorities of armenia itself would be their clear position regarding nagornokarabakh or artsakh, as they call it. And this position was expressed by pashiyan and he was subjected to significant condemnation in his society, which nagornokarabakh, also known as artsakh, is an integral part of azerbaijan, that is, it was essentially the surrender of all the many years of struggle that the armenian people waged for the return of ethnic territories that are legally azerbaijani, the conflict is very complex, we dont want to get up now, this is an armenian thing. Objectively we can say that guys , lets sort it out among yourselves, that is, that for you the same nagornokarabakh region is the same, because when there are now attempts, firstly, to say that the csto does not work, it does not russia works, how can it work if you yourself do not consider it possible to defend the territories, if Nikola Pashinyan says that there are no Armenian Forces at all in nagornokarabakh, that is, then the question arises if azerbaijan is conducting an antiterrorist operation on its territory, and there is not even the presence of armenian citizens there, what questions could there be for azerbaijan then, if there is a presence of armenian citizens there, there is a threat to them, you are going to take them under protection, well, then you will indicate this in public space, its very difficult, of course, this is painful for us, because armenia is our ally , we cooperate quite well, we have increased trade and economic interaction with armenia within the eu in recent years, very seriously, so we support cultural initiatives, we are very we respect the armenian people and support the integrity of armenia, but we also have good friendly relations with azerbaijan, this is also our political friend, this is also a country with which we have very close ties, in this case we are in this. Among ourselves, to to which we are not directly tied, we cannot enter as an active party, but we can offer, and this was stated, because our president , and the russian side emphasizes, there is no military solution, here you can only negotiate, because of course, no one wants either ethnic genocide on either side, these are terrible things, belarusians who once felt this themselves understand very clearly here that we must help to ensure that such a situation does not arise under any circumstances. Viktorovich, well, really, if look, if there is even such a human question, but unfortunately, ukraine did not become a lesson in the fact that every step you take is necessary, especially in the current world, in general you need to be prudent in order to avoid bloody paralysis, where it can and diplomacy should work, isnt this what we are seeing now in nagorno karabakh, unfortunately, yes, indeed , in many countries, the modern ruling elites, they do not learn. Lessons from history or from the events that take place in world, yes this means that the era, it turns out, plunges the fate of entire nations into the furnace of other peoples interests, naturally, this leads to the collapse of statehood and other terrible things that we see today in ukraine, unfortunately at other points of tension, and here it is similar, too nikolai evgenievich absolutely correctly noted that in fact this is in the interests of the United States of america, and with them the maximum presence of such conflicts along the perimeter of the Russian Federation. To actually weaken it here too the only sad thing is that people, the peoples of entire states, are becoming hostages of this whole situation, who are clashing with each other , waging these wars not in their own interests, but ensuring someone elses interests, this is sad, absolutely, well, then lets move on to the following topics, large ones, especially since one way or another , what is happening now around nagornokarabakh intersects with what is happening now, lets call it that, in ukraine, although the front is much wider than geographically. The outline of the still modern ukraine. The worlds attention these days is focused on new york, the highlevel week of the Un General Assembly has opened. More and more often it sounds like the organization is no longer the same, but there is no other way to bring together such different concepts of the world order in one place. But there is a topic that seems to concern everyone is it time to wind down on the ukrainian front . The guardian calls the ukrainian president s presence at the un summit the biggest geopolitical drama of the week. But the director of the analytical. Center of the International Crisis group prion Richard Gowen characterized zelskys decision participate in the event as an adventure. If zelsky goes to the General Assembly in the Security Council and insists that ukraine must continue to fight, and that now is not the time for diplomacy, i think that he will receive serious rebuff, thats what he said, thats what nikolai evgenich is hinting at in this way, or is this no longer a hint, an insistent demand in my opinion, this is already a demand, since in recent years, literally since 2021, the Russian Federation has been a pugol everywhere and its position is practically. No one supports, but opposes the counterbalance, these are the first sensible, so to speak, thoughts that appeared on the western side, not the allies , but on the western side, from the point of view of how the crisis of this situation could develop, sound notes have finally appeared, its time to sit down to the negotiating table, and he, i ll just add, when he said this phrase, this comrade govan, he said that i rely on opinion. In africa, in asia, in latin america, and at the same time there was a statement by turkish president erdogan, who said we continue our efforts with the conviction that war has no winners and peace has no losers, and i would continue, erdogans thought in the words that our president spoke, its time to sit down at the negotiating table, only peace can decide what then the situation in ukraine. And this thesis, which, by the way, you and i, belarus, over the course of well, i dont know, for the last year and a half, we have been constantly sending in everything, in all directions, it is finally beginning to have a response, this is not for not because we were heard, no, just the objective situation is such that in ukraine there are two options for the development of events, first, russia is fulfilling all its obligations, these are horror stories, fulfilling the goals that it has planned, and this is not. That this is a geopolitical blow to to the west for all the countries that are now opposed to it, the second option, it loses only part of the territory and remains in an incomprehensible status, and this is an area, a gray zone and incomprehensibility of what is happening in the near future, and the current president of ukraine, who arrived at this summit, again, as always, in paramilitary uniform and brought his wife, who is dressed in military style, for which it is not that he plays his role to the end, but they are already telling him, enough is enough, the scenario is changing, these are the directions that should to be in the future, in the future we will still have to come to an agreement, yuri valerievich, i will support nikolai evgenievich, of course, the visit is connected, it is more like such a hysterical vain connected with the results of the counteroffensive, the socalled, despite that. Whats in ukrainian the information field of the space talks about sensational success, in fact this is not so, more than 70,000 Ukrainian Military personnel were killed, a huge amount of equipment, including, during this counteroffensive, for the first time in world history, they burned, for example, british equipment, their famous challenger tank, than to be remembered by the counternast, yes, thats what was remembered, that is. A complete failure, russia is grinding the armed forces of ukraine, because there is a certain percentage of military sciences, after which, when the grinding reaches, like colleagues wont let us collect, of a certain percentage, everything will begin to collapse in geometric progression, this is the motivation of the armed fighters of these armed formations, and that means everything is connected with this. Therefore, russia has already practically achieved, achieved these results, maybe another 1, 2, 3 months, probably, its difficult to make forecasts, but in any case, the strategic result is clear, so zelsky as an actor and, as always, he plays allin, as they say, yes, he puts everything in place, and he rides in his presence, including in such a military shell, he wants him. Supported and put further pressure on the Russian Federation, but this is no longer possible, because in the west there are think tanks, they see the results, and it seems to me that blinkens recent visit to kiev is connected with that, and then the subsequent visit of the German Foreign minister, for no reason, no reason, its like theyre there to check something, say hello, compare watches, it seems to me that their visits are connected with the fact that they are starting to force him into negotiations, because his colleagues correctly said, its a clear defeat of the west, its unacceptable from the point of view. V path of peace negotiations. But alexey viktorovich, we see that there, well, firstly, it must be said that our delegation is working these days, on the sidelines of the General Assembly, led by foreign minister delgay oleinik, there are many, in addition to the speech, there are many bilateral meetings, well, when you observe all this and this sudden frankness of the un, adherence to principles, when they have already gained. Courage and ask, try to give direction to zelsky, is this not because this is happening because the crisis is the influence of the organization on the one hand, on the other hand the growing influence of such unions as the sco, like brix, for us, for example, at the moment the un is still the organization that we should tune in to as much as possible, or for us the main vector is those large unions, in which we are either already a member of, or are on the way to joining. So, look, regarding the United Nations and ukraine, the ukrainian crisis itself, and the hot phase it has now entered, is actually a war in which more and more participants are being drawn in one way or another, this is not just now the conflict between russia and ukraine directly, and not only the usa and western europe supporting ukraine there, we see the involvement of a lot of other players, turkey, iran, which seems to be helping russia a little, now kimchens recent visit to russia, where there was also talk about a possible military technical cooperation, one way or another reaction to the ukrainian events of everyone, there is a demonstration of the great powers of the developing world, for example, and india, yes, frankly, at the recent g20 summit, such an openly antiukrainian speech is impossible give the floor to zelsky at g20. Not inviting him there, thats what all this means, the conflict was not stopped by the organization that was created in order to prevent these conflicts, the un , after the end of the cold war, not only relaxed, but the un, in fact, we see , has become today the mouthpiece of prowestern ideas, prowestern thought, the un has turned into an instrument of precisely one side, well , today, as colleagues correctly said, in conditions. When this western part begins to lose militarily, which has been playing for a long time this conflict in ukraine cannot be in the active phase of military operations, we see that now ukraine is already moving from military operations directly at the front to actively moving to terror, a terrorist state that is bombing russian territories with its drones, trying to carry out attacks that suit outright terrorist attacks, including attempts. On our territory, as we have seen, yes, he is hiring mercenaries and trying to act, what is this . Method of terror, what does it mean you cannot decide, so to speak, in fairness the question is, you dont have enough strength, so you start doing shit from under the gun, you start striking not at the military infrastructure, but at civilians, sowing chaos, panic, trying to create an unhealthy state of mind, public thoughts, thats all maybe. Page further, its not just russiabelarus there , it will go further and further, when the same terrorist actions begin in the world, the uns task was to prevent all this from happening, they had to start the negotiation process, they should were, perhaps, forced to sit at the table negotiations, it was belarus that started, belarus began inviting to its territory in the very first days of a special military operation, and ukrainian and russian negotiators need such an organization, the question is, do we need it, of course, no one is now saying that we need the un tomorrow, lock it up, hang up the lock, everyone has gone to the front, no , this organization has been created, there are international standards, documents that regulate its activities, but we see that objectively it needs reform, thats how it is since its lost at this session, thats exactly the question, ill try to clarify it, maybe at the moment its missed, we see the beginning of the sunset , we can talk about what, thats what you said correctly, today the un should probably have , a different structure, today the un must take into account the interests of not individual players, not individual states, so we say, the General Assembly makes decisions by a majority vote, in which all un member countries participate. Well, of course , excuse me, but if the voice of india is equal to the voice of some tuvaluan who is leaving to the cart, which has already been completely digitized and they say well, our country will completely disappear as a territory, but we will remain. In the digital world, but this is not entirely correct, where there are 15 billion people, where there is a huge developing economy and the voice of an island state that will soon disappear altogether, the question is right, perhaps now the un should reorient itself towards the interaction of these blocks, structures, yes , there is nato, there is the european union, there is this conditional prowestern bloc, there is the sco, there is the g20, there is the g7, the g20 is already a conventional name, given that there is other organizations there in south america and in asia, in africa, the African Union and so on, that is, this should be the new configuration. We touched on the topic of zelsky at the General Assembly, but we understand, and the media have already reported that there is a meeting with biden ahead , what do you think zelsky and the elder will be about, i think, they will definitely receive further instructions, its quite obvious that the ukrainian the president , he does not act in his own interests, yes, but the instructions are that from the United States of america, that colleagues are here to fight until the end or its time to sit down, we just discussed today what the west is for, which means that we should still go to certain negotiations, but what is the danger here, what i would like to draw attention to, really alternatives to peace negotiations for ukraine, no, yes, but at the same time, the goal of denazification and demilitarization of ukraine must be achieved, otherwise 5, 10 years will simply pass, and this conflict will resume with renewed vigor, in a certain sense , the west needs such a respite so that they can again regroup said , our the task is to saturate ukraine with such weapons that it will be, the economist, now we will just continue, the economist, brings his readers to this conclusion ukraine must win, otherwise we will have to look for those to blame. Also, yes, another option, what was also voiced today, the western elites who actively support ukraine, if they dont get a defeat in ukraine, of course, this is a blow to them, yes, that means they will have to explain where they went these multibillion dollar expenditures, money invested, yes, that means maintaining the combat capability of ukraine, why it ended up being a fiasco, duh. Well, naturally, these things also play a role here, i think that there will, of course, be a certain message, which means the implementation of peace negotiations, but it is understandable that the west would strive to defend its own, to maintain its influence on this ukrainian territory, which means so as not to let go and not completely lose your authority in the eyes of your own population, which means in the international arena, but on the other hand, i emphasize once again, there must be a clear position, definitely, one cannot give in on this, denesification and demilitarization of ukraine, in sochi, two president s of belarus and russia reported on their attitude towards peaceful prospects with ukraine after blinkins recent visit to kiev, this topic has noticeably intensified, let me remind you that the us secretary of state then announced kievs readiness and that moscow should take the initiative, saying it takes two to tango. What do putin and lukashenko think about this . Tan says very well, i think that it is important for ukraine to forget hopakis. An absurd situation on the part of the zelsky ukrainian establishment, well, here it is in general its hard to say that, its literally said, explained, the question is yes ukraine today, the ukrainian leadership zelsky, his entourage, where do they come from when they take their steps, so zelsky went to the un now, this is what he said literally to this at night, he said such a thing that all the truly thinking people in horror grabbed their heads and said lord, thank you for once removing Nuclear Weapons from ukraine, because he, blaming russia, he actually stated that if ukraine now had this weapon, it would have it has already applied, that is, he was ready to unleash a nuclear third world war, based on whose interests it is unclear, not the interests of the ukrainians, because most of the money that comes in today goes to the development of the army, to the military. Business, what they manage to save from theft, yes, from transfer to offshore companies, from hiding in their own pockets, this does not go to social needs, not for ukrainians, it goes to this conflict, which in the end this money is simply with look at this, and the formula for the world is from nato, i quote, stosia must surrender, if president Vladimir Putin russia lays down