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Putin threatens war. As starmer meets biden to discuss ukraine, what would 3 harris or Trump Victory mean for the west . And its succession for real as the Murdochs Head to court over what happens after Rupert Murdochs death. Hello and welcome to newsnight, the place to be this Friday Night for insight and illuminating interviews on a day when tensions between russia and the west appear to be escalating. As we speak, sir keir starmer� s meeting with President Biden to discuss the next steps in the war in ukraine. So, what does the future looks like, for ukraine and the west, after the us election in november . On our transatlantic panel tonight, were joined by the Journalist Michael Wolff whose Book Fire and fury inside the trump White House is seen by many as the definitive work on the former president. Alison phillips, who was the Mirrors Editor in chief until earlier this year is here. And also with us, john ryley, editor of Sky News for 17 years. Welcome to you all and john, in terms of this meeting going on right now, how significant do you think it is that Starmer And Biden are meeting and what are they trying to project . I meeting and what are they trying to roect . ~ � ,. Meeting and what are they trying to roect . ~ 3. , meeting and what are they trying to roect . ~ � ,. ,. , project . I think its a big deal. The ukrainian project . I think its a big deal. The ukrainian Conflict Project . I think its a big deal. The Ukrainian Conflict Has project . I think its a big deal. The Ukrainian Conflict Has entered a period of missile diplomacy. I have been struck in the last 2a hours or so by the number of Armchair Generals saying the comments from Putin Last Night our empty rhetoric. The very same Armchair Generals who said Russia Wouldnt invade ukraine two and a half years ago. I think it is serious. And we will look at those pictures in a few years and say that it was a defining moment. And lets be really clear, Putin Will profligate the war in ukraine until he and it may be a first phase and there will be a pause and in two or three years he will go again. He will pursue the war while he remains alive. � , will pursue the war while he remains alive. � ,. ,. , alive. Ok, lets play that clip of president alive. Ok, lets play that clip of President Putin, alive. Ok, lets play that clip of President Putin, the alive. Ok, lets play that clip of President Putin, the russian i President Putin, the russian president , what he said yesterday, what would happen if the us or its nato allies allowed ukraine to use western supplied long Range Missiles. Translation if this decision is made, it will mean nothing other than direct participation of nato countries, the united states, european countries, in the war in ukraine. It is their direct participation and this of course significantly changes the very essence of the conflict. This will mean that nato countries, the united states, european countries, are fighting with russia. That was President Putin, we will come back to talk about this with our panel in a moment. Were also joined by evelyn farkas, a recognised authority on us National Security and former Deputy Assistant Secretary of defence for russia and ukraine. Shes now Executive Director of the mccain institute. Thank you for coming on the show. The us and uk leaders, as we said, are gathering in the Oval Office put in a few months, that office will be occupied either by Kamala Harris or Donald Trump so just spell out what are the stakes for the west depending on who wins . Are the stakes for the West Deendin on who wins . ~. , depending on who wins . Thank you for havin me depending on who wins . Thank you for having Me On depending on who wins . Thank you for having Me On i depending on who wins . Thank you for having Me On. I want depending on who wins . Thank you for having Me On. I want to depending on who wins . Thank you for having Me On. I want to say depending on who wins . Thank you for having Me On. I want to say one having Me On. I want to say one quick thing because on one of those im one of those Armchair Policy people who said putin would invade and i remain convinced he will not escalate so he is directly at war with nato and the west so we can talk about that later but i think there are good reasons, a lot of Data Points to lead us to that conclusion. We have already provided these missiles to the ukrainians so setting rules about how they should use them really shouldnt be much of an escalation at all. But to answer your question, yes, there will be a huge difference depending on how the american people vote on november five and as they tally the votes beyond that. The president , former President Trump has made it clear he will solve the war over night, he has refused to say he wants ukraine to be victorious so that is like saying he might be ok with russia and this aggressive Foreign Policy Prevailing Pud Whereas Vice President Kamala Harris has been very clear that Ukraines Victory is required in order to make sure that ukrainian sovereignty is maintained and victory is a sovereignty. You can negotiate the terms of that but so long as ukrainian sovereignty is maintained, and frankly the international order is restored. And that annexation is no longer considered normal. Just going to Interru T considered normal. Just going to interrupt because considered normal. Just going to interrupt because we considered normal. Just going to interrupt because we have considered normal. Just going to interrupt because we have a considered normal. Just going to interrupt because we have a clip| interrupt because we have a clip from the debate last week, earlier this week, of Donald Trump talking, as you said, about ukraine and we can have a listen. Just to clarify the question, do you believe it is in the us Best Interests for ukraine to win this War Yes or no . I think its the us Best Interests to get this war finished and just get it done. Negotiate a deal not because we have to stop all of these Human Lives from being destroyed. Why do you think Donald Trump appears so reluctant to say he wants ukraine to win the war . Ukraine to win the war . Because he has this inexplicable ukraine to win the war . Because he has this inexplicable Desire Ukraine to win the war . Because he has this inexplicable desire to has this inexplicable desire to maintain a friendly Relationship And Rhetoric with vladimir putin. He thinks, and he said, i can talk to him and convincing. That is not how diplomacy works and it works with carrots and sticks backing up the words you use to describe to a leader that his Foreign Policy, his Military Strategy, is failing. We need more carrots and sticks because russia is not there right now. I agree with President Trump and i think Vice President harris would agree we want to bring this war to a swift end to end suffering but we cannot Do It on russian terms. Another thing he said was that there were no wars when he was president. This war clearly began on bidens watch so it would Kamala Harris realistically offer a different path to victory for ukraine if she got in . ,. ,. ,. ,. , to victory for ukraine if she got in . ,. ,. ,. , in . First of all, i have to say this war started in . First of all, i have to say this war started in in . First of all, i have to say this war started in 2014. In . First of all, i have to say this war started in 2014. True, in . First of all, i have to say this war started in 2014. 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But the point about whether Kamala Count on one Hand. But the point about whether Kamala Harris count on one Hand. But the point i about whether Kamala Harris would take it to a different place . I think she would because she would look for how she can reinforce our diplomacy to convince vladimir putin that his strategy is not winning, forced him to the negotiation table, and shes tough. We dont know much about exactly what she would do, i have to be honest because she has not spelt it out but we know shes a prosecutor. I have a sense she would be perhaps even tougher than President Biden. You be perhaps even tougher than President Biden. ,. , President Biden. You mentioned these Storm Shadow President Biden. You mentioned these Storm Shadow missiles President Biden. You mentioned these Storm Shadow missiles we President Biden. You mentioned these Storm Shadow missiles we were Storm Shadow missiles we were talking about at the beginning, these long Range Missile the uk wants to use but how competent, why are you so confident that using them will not escalate things . Will not escalate things . Because vladimir Putin Will not escalate things . Because vladimir putin first will not escalate things . Because vladimir putin First Double will not escalate things . Because vladimir putin First Double does l will not escalate things . Because l vladimir putin First Double does not want war with nato. He can barely defend, barely conquer ukraine. Second, he has shown time and again when he has made this kind of threat that he does not back it up with anything. Its that he does not back it up with an hina. � ,. That he does not back it up with an him. 3. , that he does not back it up with an hina. � ,. , that he does not back it up with an hini. ,. , anything. Its a big risk to take, isnt it . Ukrainians anything. Its a big risk to take, isnt it . Ukrainians already anything. Its a big risk to take, J Isnt it . Ukrainians already took that risk when isnt it . Ukrainians already took that risk when they isnt it . Ukrainians already took that risk when they used isnt it . Ukrainians already took that risk when they used their. That risk when they used their weapons against crimea. Vladimir putin said the same thing to then and they crossed into a nuclear armed state on their two legs and theyre using their vehicles into russia and occupying kursk. All of those are red lines where putin dangled the nuclear dagger. I dont think that vladimir couldnt wants to go to Nuclear War with us. He may escalate some other way and of course you cannot rule out the nuclear escalation entirely but you have to think about what is at risk here, what we want . We want the war to be bring to a swift end and these weapons would help thank my british colleagues for sending them. Thank ou so colleagues for sending them. Thank you so much. Colleagues for sending them. Thank you so much. I colleagues for sending them. Thank you so much, i want colleagues for sending them. Thank you so much, i want to colleagues for sending them. Thank you so much, i want to bring colleagues for sending them. Thank you so much, i want to bring in you so much, i want to bring in michael wolff, thank you so much for coming on, you spent a huge amount of time in trumps White House for your books at that time and got incredible access. What would you say is trumps thinking right now when it comes to Ukraine And Russia . I will make two points. Donald trump does not i will make two points. 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I have seen Donald Trump in meetings in which have seen Donald Trump in meetings in which Military Strategy is being discussed in which Military Strategy is being discussed and he leaves the room. Military discussed and he leaves the room. Military strategy at this point is a kind of. Military strategy at this point is a kind of. A Military Strategy at this point is a kind of, a kind of, involves a lot of Mckenzie Language and Power Points of Mckenzie Language and Power Points and Donald Trump last 90 seconds points and Donald Trump last 90 seconds in points and Donald Trump last 90 seconds in that type of discussion. It is seconds in that type of discussion. It isjust seconds in that type of discussion. 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Just to interrupt, sorry, Attention Off of me. Just to interrupt, sorry, but Attention Off of me. Just to interrupt, sorry, but when| Attention Off of me. Just to l interrupt, sorry, but when it Attention Off of me. Just to interrupt, sorry, but when it came to how he responds to the military and the military respond to him, that was one of the Attack Lines from Kamala Harris in the debate and we also had another section from that, the clip of him talking, being very reluctant to say he wants ukraine to win but you think he does Want Ukraine to win the war . I think that if ukraine Want Ukraine to win the war . I think that if ukraine could Want Ukraine to win the war . I think that if ukraine could win Want Ukraine to win the war . I think that if ukraine could win this Want Ukraine to win the war . 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Please stick with us but i want to bring in allison us but i want to bring in allison and john. Alison phillips, we had the clip from President Putin earlier in the programme and it feels a moment, john talked about it being significant, what is happening right now so how big a concern do you think this Building Rhetoric is with putin clearly raising the stakes . It with putin clearly raising the stakes . ,. ,. ,. , stakes . It is a big moment and i think any next stakes . It is a big moment and i think any next steps stakes . It is a big moment and i think any next steps have stakes . It is a big moment and i think any next steps have to stakes . 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We will know in future years how we look back. In future years how we look back at these time, but it feels historic. Something completely different what happens when one of the worlds most influential Media Figures decides he wants to lock in the direction of his global Media Empire after his death . On monday, an intriguing Court Battle begins in nevada, pitting Rupert Murdoch and his eldest Son Lachlan against three of his other children. The family had kept it confidential until the New York Times revealed that 93 year old murdoch was trying to cement Lachlans Control and Decision Making Powers after his death. So for all you fans of dynastic succession dramas, heres the story so far. Its not the most original observation, but the Murdoch Family is now vibing so much like Hbos Succession we might as well accept theyre merging into one. Having spent decades playing favourites, Rupert Murdoch now wants to Hand control of his empire to favoured Child Lachlan after his death. But he cant, because he signed an irrevocable trust after his Divorce Number two, sharing power after his he has gone with all his four kids at the time. Now the 93 year old has gone to court to try to change the trust. It is thought he is arguing News Corp must stay Editorially Conservative, in the financial interests of all his children, and that lachlan is the only one who will deliver on that. But james and Elizabeth Murdoch are experienced Media Executives and are fighting this change, along with their half sister prudence. Our panels still here. Including michael wolff, perfect casting for this, not only a trump expert, but also a murdoch expert. You have written two books about Rupert Murdoch, Lay Ute the Back Story to Trt Case and the Family Dynamics. Story to Trt Case and the family Dynamics Story to Trt Case and the Family D namics, 4 ,. , story to Trt Case and the Family D namics. ~ , , dynamics. Some key points, the Trust Has, after murdoch dynamics. 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I will make a couple of, another interesting point and i think it will be argued by the three other children is that actually the idea of maintaining fox as a conservative station or as any kind of cable station, is. Will result in a diminution of the value of the trust, because it is Cable Television. So in the most probably responsible Business-plan'>Business Plan they would get out of Cable Television Business altogether. Get out of Cable Television Business altotether. ~. ,. , get out of Cable Television Business altotether. A. ,. , get out of Cable Television Business altotether. A. ,. , the Uk Media is braced for a different Courtroom Drama playing out On Monday in london when Huw Edwards, the disgraced Ex Presenter of Bbc-news'>Bbc News at ten, will be sentenced for making indecent images of children. He admitted viewing 41 images of Child Abuse sent to him on whatsapp by a now convicted sex offender, including seven of the most serious Category A images. 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