Wealthy, at that level, so concerned about that. Rachel maskell is with me now. She is a Labour Mp. Why did you abstain and why did you not back the measure . I abstain and why did you not back the measure . Abstain and why did you not back the measure . I could not Su Ort back the measure . I could not support a back the measure . I could not support a measure back the measure . I could not support a measure which i cannot have this on my conscience. I have to look my constituents in the eye as i have constituents in the eye as i have over constituents in the eye as i have over the last few weeks, and they have over the last few weeks, and they have been pleading with and they have been pleading with me and they have been pleading with me to do something to protect with me to do something to protect them, and i will continue to do this, that is why continue to do this, that is why i continue to do this, that is why i have abstain, to maintain the whip why i have abstain, to maintain the whip and to make sure i fight the whip and to make sure i fight on the whip and to make sure i fight on for the litigations which fight on for the litigations which did not come today but Will He Which did not come today but will be coming because we cannot will be coming because we cannot Go On without keeping People-cannot'>People Cannot Go On without keeping People at risk so we have got to put People at risk so we have got to put the Mitigation Measures in piace~ to put the Mitigation Measures in lace. ,. , to put the Mitigation Measures in lace. , ,. , in place. There was no sense to date really in place. There was no sense to date really that in place. There was no sense to date really that the in place. There was no sense to | date really that the government thinks it is going to make a u turn, and Liz Kendall was talking about encouraging more pensioners to take up the pensioners to take up the pension credit. Absolutely. There was pension credit. Absolutely. There was not pension credit. Absolutely. There was not anything pension credit. Absolutely. I there was not anything which has been there was not anything which has been given so far but we continue has been given so far but we continue to campaign and that is what continue to campaign and that is what the role is, to have the is what the role is, to have the discussions, because it is about the discussions, because it is about housing costs, which pensioners are also having to wrestle pensioners are also having to wrestle with and the price of food wrestle with and the price of food as wrestle with and the price of food as well. We need to make sure food as well. We need to make sure People are warm and sheltered and fed this Winter and putting support in for older and putting support in for older People and protecting them, older People and protecting them, it is notjust older pe0ple them, it is notjust older People and we know across society, People and we know across society, i People and we know across society, i have had babies in in a85 society, i have had babies in in a85 as society, i have had babies in in A E as well. Winter bites hard in A E as well. Winter bites hard and in A E as well. Winter bites hard and that is why they were not get hard and that is why they were not get through the Winter without not get through the Winter without additional support, and i without additional support, and isay without additional support, and i say gently to ministers that they i say gently to ministers that they need to do serious thinking. Social prescribing has been proven to be very effective has been proven to be very effective elsewhere. Has been proven to be very effective elsewhere. That would mean lower effective elsewhere. That would mean lower energy effective elsewhere. That would mean lower Energy Bills effective elsewhere. That would mean lower Energy Bills for mean lower Energy Bills for those with low incomes . The ener those with low incomes . The energy companies those with low incomes . The energy companies could make a greater energy companies could make a greater contribution and it does greater contribution and it does not have to be all on the state does not have to be all on the state because they are making Nrillions State because they are making millions of pounds of profit and millions of pounds of profit and they can contribute to keeping and they can contribute to keeping those People wrapped in theirjumpers and duvets warm. What theirjumpers and duvets warm. What about the principle of Means Testing, are you against that completely . The argument for Liz Kendall is that theres not much money to go round therefore we have to target it at those who really need it and there are very wealthy pensioners who do not need this money, so where do you stand on the principle . The principle . There are many eole the principle . There are many peeple who the principle . There are many People who receive the principle . There are many People who receive the the principle . There are manyj People who receive the Winter-fuel'>Winter Fuel People who receive the Winter-fuel'>Winter Fuel payment that do not need it but Fuel Payment that do not need it but the Fuel Payment that do not need it but the more progressive way of dealing with this would be putting of dealing with this would be putting this into taxation so those putting this into taxation so those with the broader shoulders pay more but also looking shoulders pay more but also looking at how you can schedule and target more support around People and target more support around People on and target more support around People on low incomes, with tiasic People on low incomes, with basic pensions, because it is an opt basic pensions, because it is an opt in basic pensions, because it is an opt in scheme, and it is hard an opt in scheme, and it is hard to an opt in scheme, and it is hard to capture all of those People hard to capture all of those People that need it, and that is why People that need it, and that is why the Winter-fuel'>Winter Fuel payment provides is why the Winter-fuel'>Winter Fuel payment provides the protection for everyone and we should be bringing everyone and we should be bringing back a bit more for those bringing back a bit more for those People. Is bringing back a bit more for those People. Bringing back a bit more for those People. Is there credible wa to those People. Is there credible way to encourage those People. Is there credible way to encourage more those People. Is there credible way to encourage more of those People. Is there credible. Way to encourage more of those hard to reach People to actually claim what they are entitled to because other governments have talked about this but it seems quite difficult, do you think Liz Kendall has come up with a solution . Kendall has come up with a solution . ,. , solution . You will increase the numbers during solution . You will increase the numbers during the solution . You will increase the numbers during the Uplift Solution . You will increase the numbers during the uplift of i numbers during the uplift of the Housing Benefit so we are targeting more People, and i think targeting more People, and i think that will be successful but we think that will be successful but we will not get to 100 , and but we will not get to 100 , and there are complex reasons, and there are complex reasons, and i and there are complex reasons, and i mention People with dementia, People have pride about dementia, People have pride about applying for these things, as well, so the principle of universalism is important but then how we distribute the wealth of the country distribute the wealth of the country is even more important. And the country is even more important. And the huge inequalities have ot and the huge inequalities have got to and the huge inequalities have got to he and the huge inequalities have got to be addressed. We have ot got to be addressed. We have got to got to be addressed. We have got to he got to be addressed. We have got to be on a mission to address got to be on a mission to address the People in poverty, we have address the People in poverty, we have a address the People in poverty, we have a job of work to do and im determined to be part of the Labour Team which puts a solution the Labour Team which puts a solution in place to do that. Are solution in place to do that. Are you solution in place to do that. Are you disappointed that all of these years without a Labour Government, Theirfirst Act of these years without a Labour Government, their First Act was to bring this in . Were you surprised, disappointed . A, surprised, disappointed . A surprised, disappointed . A surprise because it was not in the manifesto and then concerned because i could see where concerned because i could see where this would go for The Party, where this would go for The Party, and we have not put the country party, and we have not put the country before party and that is what country before party and that is what we committed to do. I hope is what we committed to do. I hope there is hard thinking going hope there is hard thinking going on in Downing Street so that in going on in Downing Street so that in future we make sure that that in future we make sure that we that in future we make sure that we understand the risks of policies that we understand the risks of policies and consult heavily and policies and consult heavily and ultimately protect People that really need a Labour Government to protect them. T Hat Government to protect them. That is government to protect them. That is one of the other criticisms, this came out of the blue, the Impact Assessment and a lot of conservatives say, where is the Impact Assessment, bringing something in where we do not know the consequences. They should have been an Impact Assessment published so we could assessment published so we could scrutinise it and also the could scrutinise it and also the Social Security Advisory Committee should have done diligence on the measures before diligence on the measures before they came up for debate, so bring before they came up for debate, so bring this forward when the committee is going to be sitting committee is going to be sitting tomorrow is premature. The debate continues because it will he the debate continues because it will he in the debate continues because it will be in the house of Lords Tomorrow will be in the house of Lords Tomorrow and there will be an interesting debate in that place. Interesting debate in that place, may be more People are tuned place, may be more People are tuned to place, may be more People are tuned to where pensioners are, but also tuned to where pensioners are, but also making sure that the scrutiny but also making sure that the scrutiny is on these measures as Well Scrutiny is on these measures as well and there is much work to he as well and there is much work to he done as well and there is much work to be done but we have to be conscious to be done but we have to be conscious that those People who are missing out now on the protection do need the government to step in and provide government to step in and provide the resilience which they provide the resilience which they will need to keep them warm they will need to keep them warm this Winter. They will need to keep them warm this Winter. One internal a warm this Winter. One internal party question. Warm this Winter. One internal party question. You warm this Winter. One internal party question, you abstained | party question, you abstained on this, have you been told that you will not be suspended from The Party . Have you been giving reassurance . Giving reassurance . Normally Eo Le giving reassurance . Normally People have giving reassurance . Normally People have conversations. Giving reassurance . Normally People have conversations ifl People have conversations if that People have conversations if that is People have conversations if that is the direction going but i that is the direction going but i have that is the direction going but i have not had any of those conversations and i have been clear conversations and i have been clear about my perspective, and i clear about my perspective, and i have clear about my perspective, and i have set clear about my perspective, and i have set out this as a matter of conscience, keeping People warm of conscience, keeping People warm is of conscience, keeping People warm is what the Labour Party was warm is what the Labour Party was elected to do but also it is what was elected to do but also it is what we are here to do as politicians, speak truth to power politicians, speak truth to power without Fear Or Favour and power without Fear Or Favour and i power without Fear Or Favour and i have done it over this issue and i have done it over this issue and and i have done it over this issue and i trust i will not have issue and i trust i will not have to issue and i trust i will not have to have those conversations again. Rachel maskell, conversations again. Rachel maskell, thanks conversations again. Rachel maskell, thanks for conversations again. Rachel maskell, Thanks Forjoiningl conversations again. Rachel i maskell, Thanks Forjoining us. The view there from one Labour Mp who felt she could not back this proposal and they will have been others. We will try to find out but as it stands the measure has gone through and so one of the first policy announcements made by this government has gone through, and for the wider approach to the economy we have got to wait to The End of october and the First Budget from Rachel Reeves. , w , First Budget from Rachel Reeves. , w ,. , First Budget from Rachel Reeves. ,. , ~. , reeves. Quickly, we do know that one mp reeves. Quickly, we do know that one mp did reeves. Quickly, we do know that one mp did vote reeves. Quickly, we do know that one mp did vote against| that one mp did vote against the government on these Winter-fuel'>Winter Fuel payments, one Labour Mp with 53 People not abstaining, although some of those could have been away on official business, but the official Working Majority has gone down. How long would it take to find out how many are actively abstained and how many were unable to vote . Haste abstained and how many were unable to vote . Unable to vote . We have to seak unable to vote . We have to speak to unable to vote . We have to speak to all unable to vote . We have to speak to all of unable to vote . We have to speak to all of them unable to vote . We have to speak to all of them to unable to vote . We have to speak to all of them to find | speak to all of them to find out, that is the truth when it comes to looking through the numbers, because the government has such a huge majority, even if several have not supported it, it has still gone through in big numbers, but it then it becomes about the atmosphere in The Party and the Run Up to the budget, that will be a huge moment for Rachel Reeves, and the keir starmer, some of the other measures they will want to bring in, so there is a lot of pressure being put on Them Ijy of pressure being put on them by the unions and by Labour Mps and i think because the proposal was announced in isolation and it was the first big announcement that was made, it has got a lot of attention over the summer and now into the autumn and it affects millions of People. So that is why it has drawn so much attention and that is alongside the fact that the government can pretty much get through what it wants, it is not like when we had these wafer thin majority is, but there will be concern in Downing Street about the strong feelings that People like Rachel Maskell have. Iuticki like Rachel Maskell have. Vicki younu , like Rachel Maskell have. Vicki young. Thanks like Rachel Maskell have. Vicki young, thanks for like Rachel Maskell have. Vicki young, Thanks Forjoining us. We will get more reaction from you later. Another piece of breaking news, a coroner said there is no Causal Link between there is no Causal Link between the appearance of the portsmouth man Steve Diamond on the Jeremy Kyle Show and portsmouth man Steve Diamond on theJeremy Kyle Show and his death, at the coroner ruled out his treatment on the Talk Show as a Contributory Factor. Steve diamond was found dead in May 2019, week after a Lie Detector Test during a recording which showed he had lied about cheating on his partner, seemingly. Duncan, can you explain what the coroner has said. ,. ,. , said. He put into context the whole story. Said. He put into context the whole story, and said. He put into context the whole story, and he said. He put into context the whole story, and he went. Whole story, and he went through fax of the week long inquest begin with the events that took place in May 2019 when Steve Diamond appeared on thejeremy when Steve Diamond appeared on the Jeremy Kyle when Steve Diamond appeared on theJeremy Kyle Show in order to take a Lie Detector Test to prove he was not cheating on his partner. The show was never broadcast and we have played clips of it during the course of the evidence here and it showed Steve Diamond failed the Lie Detector Test and became very emotional, so to his partner, and Jeremy Kyle was doing his presenting, accusing Steve Diamond of lying, it was all very emotional. And then we also heard that a week after taking part in this programme, Steve Diamond was found dead at his home in portsmouth. The coroner to date has effectively ruled out a link between Steve Diamonds appearance on the Jeremy Kyle Show any subsequent death and he made clear that Steve Diamond had a long history of Mental Health Problems and he said we heard during the evidence that he had taken a Drug Overdose on at least four occasions and had been sectioned at least once. His appearance on the show was not a Contributory Factor to his death, and the coroner said Steve Diamond new theJeremy Kyle Show and knew what the style of presenting was like. The coroner said, there is an absence of reliable evidence that demonstrates that Steve Diamonds appearance on the Jeremy Kyle Show probably caused or contributed to his death, and to do so would be speculative, and he went on to say, im not satisfied that events on theJeremy Kyle Show gave rise to a clear link that caused or contributed to the death of Steve Diamond, such that i should be recording this is a Contributory Factor. So essentially, he is separating the programme from the events that happened after that when within a week of the recording of the tragic death of Steve Diamond took place at Up Reaction from Jeremy Kyle, and a representative on his behalf has said, he is now exonerated of the ill informed accusation and his name has been finally cleared. Lawyers for the family of Steve Diamond came out and gave a short statement on their main point was, the only good thing to come out of all of this is that theJeremy Kyle Show was cancelled. Itv cancelled the show in the wake of the death of Steve Diamond, just a few days later after he died, and it never came back after a Ia Year Run and Jeremy Kyle works for Talk Television and so far this afternoon his only reaction has been put out the saying he was glad it is all over and that his name has been finally cleared. Than . All over and that his name has been finally cleared. Any more otential been finally cleared. Any more potential legal been finally cleared. Any more potential legal proceedings potential legal proceedings linked to this case or does this draw a line under it . I think this draws a line under it insofar as anybody watching this in terms of legal matters might have been looking for queues taken from of the coroner, it was within his powers and gift to make criticism, but he essentially said that the right process was followed by itv and Steve Diamond knew what he was getting into when he appeared on theJeremy Kyle Show. He had a long history of mental Health Illness and as far as the coroner is concerned, that is The End of the matter and there was no Causal Link between what happened to Steve Diamond and his appearance on theJeremy Kyle Show. During the course of the inquest which has lasted the inquest which has lasted the last week or so, members of Steve Diamonds family said he was very unhappy about appearing on the show and his son gave evidence saying that his father felt he had been grown under a bus by his appearance on the show. But the coroner was very clear to saying there was no Causal Link between Steve Diamonds appearance on the show, and his dad, and it was more down to his pre existing mental Health Condition which went back many years and which was extremely serious no Causal Link between Steve Diamonds appearance on the show and his death. ,. ,. , tony and myself will be Travelling To Kyiv this week, the firstjoint Travelling To Kyiv this week, the first joint visit of this kind for over a decade. We are the closest of allies so im delighted that we will travel together, demonstrating our commitment to ukraine. And on the middle east, we are completely aligned on the need to secure that ceasefire. Completely aligned on the need to get the region onto a path to get the region onto a path to peace and reconciliation. With a two State Solution at its heart. And completely aligned on the need to tackle irans malign activity in the region and beyond. We are seeing a disturbing pattern of greater iranian support for the kremlins illegal war, and we discussed today our shared commitment to holding iran to account for their undermining of global stability. Last month we also saw a historic breakthrough in Defence And Innovation between our countries, the so called exemption is a landmark of Export Control Change which will benefit the us and aukus Partners Worth many billions per year. Partners worth many Billions Er ear. ~. , Partners Worth many billions per year Partners Worth many Billions Er ear. ~. ,. , per year. We can now listen to antony blinken. Per year. We can now listen to antony blinken. We per year. We can now listen to antony blinken. We will per year. We can now listen to antony blinken. We will travel| antony blinken. We will travel to. Ether antony blinken. We will travel together to antony blinken. We will travel together to kyiv antony blinken. We will travel together to kyiv this antony blinken. We will travel together to kyiv this week antony blinken. We will travelj together to kyiv this week and it is a together to kyiv this week and it is a critical moment for ukraine, it is a critical moment for ukraine, and in the midst of what ukraine, and in the midst of what is ukraine, and in the midst of what isan ukraine, and in the midst of what is an intense Fighting Season what is an intense Fighting Season with russia continue to escalate season with russia continue to escalate its aggression against civilians escalate its aggression against civilians and critical infrastructure and against ukrainian forces, and we see it ranrping ukrainian forces, and we see it ramping up attacks on cities and ramping up attacks on cities and People, in particular targeting the energy infrastructure. Electricity, all in infrastructure. Electricity, all in advance of the coldest months all in advance of the coldest months will top vladimir putins months will top vladimir Winter-play'>Putins Winter Play book of weapon Winter-play'>Putins Winter Play book of weapon rising energy and electricity. Thisjoint weapon rising energy and electricity. This joint trip reflects electricity. This joint trip reflects strong transatlantic support and aligned with our Nato Support and aligned with our nato allies and Indo Pacific partners nato allies and Indo Pacific partners and with more than 50 countries partners and with more than 50 countries that continue to strongly support ukraine and together we are working to make sure that together we are working to make sure that ukraine can defend its territory against the ongoing aggression and that it will he ongoing aggression and that it will be able to stand strongly on its will be able to stand strongly on its own two feet militarily, economically, democratically. And that economically, democratically. And that it will remain on the path and that it will remain on the path that and that it will remain on the path that the ukrainian People so desire path that the ukrainian People so desire it to be on, close integration with europe and transatlantic institutions, and ukraine transatlantic institutions, and ukraine is clearly on the path together ukraine is clearly on the path together and we are going to help together and we are going to help it together and we are going to help it move along that path. Antony blinken and David Lammy also talked about the war in gaza. The hamas run Health Ministry in gaza says 19 palestinians have been killed in an israeli strike on a designated humanitarian zone. Local reports say at least 60 more who were sheltering in the Displacement Camp at Al Mawasi, in the South West of the strip, were injured. Israels military says it targeted what it called a Hamas Command centre. Mike thompson reports. Not long past midnight, devastation came from the sky. Eyewitnesses say at least four israeli missiles struck this sprawling, overcrowded Tent Camp along the gaza coast. Around 20 tents were obliterated, burying many who had been sleeping beneath sand and rubble. It wasnt until dawn that the scale of the destruction at Al Mawasi began to become clear. Deep craters, some as much as nine metres across, Bear Witness to what for many had been a night of horror. Translation we saw women and children cut in pieces. Many died. There are still People missing. Al mawasi is a designated humanitarian safe zone but that seems a meaningless term there today. This woman is the mother of ten children. Translation death surrounds us in every place and we dont know where to go. We are dying slowly. Israelis, please just kill us. Finish us off. We are not living. The Israeli Military insists it successfully targeted a Hamas Command and Control Centre at Al Mawasi. Every effort, the army also said, had been taken to minimise civilian casualties, using extensive intelligence, precise munitions and aerial surveillance. But thats not reflected in the many haunted faces there. Translation the israelis told us to come here. We believed them and came. But everything i had is now gone. Please find us a solution. We are peaceful People. We dont have anything to do with the hamas resistance. L with little sign yet of a gaza ceasefire deal, the suffering of these People and others all Over Gaza goes on. Mike thompson, bbc news, jerusalem. The Public Inquiry into the trial of Lucy Letby has opened in liverpool. It will look at the circumstances around the killings and how the hospital responded to concerns around the neonatal nurse. Lucy letby is serving 15 whole Life Orders after being found guilty of murdering seven babies and attempting to murder seven more. Studio we have got to come out of that report because of a technical issue. Let me update you on information on the Winter-fuel'>Winter Fuel payments. The vote happened after a pretty heated debate in the House Of Commons that began at around 130. The government was never expected to lose because they have a huge majority and they won by 3a8 votes against 228 with a Government Majority of 120. That is less than the full Working Majority. No vote recorded a53 Labour Mps and one voted against for 53. Some other mps would have been on official business so not able to vote, including hilary benn, Stephen Doughty and Nick Thomas amongst others. The breakdown of the votes is coming into us all the time. Vicky young is in westminster. Getting more reaction . Westminster. Getting more reaction . , ~ , westminster. Getting more reaction . ,. ,. , reaction . That is right. Why do contested reaction . That is right. Why do contested Debate Reaction . That is right. Why do contested debate actually, reaction . That is right. Why do contested debate actually, on | contested debate actually, on both sides with People making the case for Means Testing, Sofa Targeting resources at those who need it most and then others talking about how having a universal benefit is a much better approach because that means you do not then have People who do not claim the right benefits but who desperately need the money. We can talk to Stephen Flynn of the snp. Your party was against the snp. Your party was against the idea of Means Testing the Winter-fuel'>Winter Fuel allowance, so what about the argument from the government, that there is not enough money to go around so that those who need it most should be the ones targeted . I should be the ones targeted . I have come from the House Of Commons have come from the house of Commons Chamber where the labour Commons Chamber where the Labour Party have voted to take away Labour Party have voted to take away the Labour Party have voted to take away the Winter-fuel'>Winter Fuel payment from away the Winter-fuel'>Winter Fuel payment from People with an income of 12000 from People with an income of 12000 and 13,000, £14,000 per year. 12000 and 13,000, £14,000 per year, 50 12000 and 13,000, £14,000 per year, so they are not wealthy, they year, so they are not wealthy, they are year, so they are not wealthy, they are having vital financial support they are having vital financial support removed when The Cost Of Living support removed when The Cost Of Living crisis is still fighting and this is in stark Contrast Fighting and this is in stark contrast to the Change Message which contrast to the Change Message which the contrast to the Change Message which the Labour Party delivered in advance of the election delivered in advance of the election and in scotland we were election and in scotland we were promised by the leader of the scottish Labour Party that they the scottish Labour Party that they would be no austerity and no cuts, they would be no austerity and no cuts, but what we have seen today no cuts, but what we have seen today is no cuts, but what we have seen today is an no cuts, but what we have seen today is an abdication of that Promise Today is an abdication of that promise that the Labour Party made promise that the Labour Party made to promise that the Labour Party made to the People of scotland and this made to the People of scotland and this has happened just a few weeks after the election. Others few weeks after the election. Others would argue that if you look at the total amount of money being given to pensioners, there has been a significant rise in the State Pension and they had the Triple Lock which protects pensioners up lock which protects pensioners up to a point and that will rise again next year, so if you look at the overall amount, that does not amount to austerity. That does not amount to austerity that does not amount to austeri. ,. ,. , austerity. The Labour Party are sa in austerity. The Labour Party are saying you austerity. The Labour Party are saying you can austerity. The Labour Party are saying you can give austerity. The Labour Party are saying you can give money austerity. The Labour Party are | saying you can give money with one hand saying you can give money with one hand but then take with another one hand but then take with another but that is a problem for each another but that is a problem for each and every person who has contacted me and other mp5 who Have Has contacted me and other mp5 who have now found they cannot afford who have now found they cannot afford to who have now found they cannot afford to pay their energy tfills afford to pay their Energy Bills this Winter because they are not bills this Winter because they are not wealthy. Earning £13,000 per year, and are not wealthy. Earning £13,000 peryear, and in scotland £13,000 peryear, and in scotland it is a bit colder and darker scotland it is a bit colder and darker so scotland it is a bit colder and darker so the bills are a bit higher. Darker so the bills are a bit higher, so every little helps. The higher, so every little helps. The Labour Party have chosen to take the Labour Party have chosen to take money away from those individuals will top i was listening to the arguments from the Secretary Of State and she said it the Secretary Of State and she said it was Crocodile Tears but this is said it was Crocodile Tears but this is not said it was Crocodile Tears but this is not faux outrage, this is anger, this is not faux outrage, this is anger, palpable anger from the public that the fact the labour the public that the fact the Labour Party are choosing to follow Labour Party are choosing to follow Tory Fiscal Rules in terms follow Tory Fiscal Rules in terms of balancing the books on the poorest in society. George osborne the poorest in society. George osborne did it before and Rachel Osborne did it before and Rachel Reeves is following that Rachel Reeves is following that. � Rachel Reeves is following that. , that. Are you comfortable with the money that. Are you comfortable with the money going that. Are you comfortable with the money going to that. Are you comfortable with | the money going to pensioners who many People would consider wealthy, People who really do not need that money . The argument not need that money . The argument is not need that money . The argument is not not need that money . The argument is not about not need that money . The argument is not about them but about argument is not about them but about the argument is not about them but about the People who earn 12, 13, about the People who earn 12, 13. 14, about the People who earn 12, 13,14, £15,000. Lf about the People who earn12, 13, 14, £15,000. 13, 14, £15,000. If you dont have universal 13, 14, £15,000. If you dont have universal benefit, 13, 14, £15,000. If you dont have universal benefit, whatj 13, 14, £15,000. If you dont i have universal benefit, what do you do . Have universal benefit, what do ou do . , you do . The government is an uinu you do . The government is arguing that you do . The government is arguing that People you do . The government is arguing that People who i you do . The government is l arguing that People who have you do . The government is arguing that People who have an Income Arguing that People who have an income of arguing that People who have an income of 12, 13, £14,000 per income of12,13, £14,000 per year income of12,13, £14,000 per Yearare Income of 12, 13, £14,000 per year are equally as wealthy as Someone Year are equally as wealthy as someone who owns £250,000 per year, someone who owns £250,000 per year, and someone who owns £250,000 per year, and quite frankly that is not the year, and quite frankly that is not the argument that the labour not the argument that the Labour Party is putting forward, and they are saying someone forward, and they are saying someone has less than £14,000 per year. Someone has less than £14,000 per year, they do not deserve this, per year, they do not deserve this, and per year, they do not deserve this, and that is not acceptable, especially in a country acceptable, especially in a country like scotland which is energy rich and nine out of ten Pensioners Energy rich and nine out of ten pensioners in scotland are going pensioners in scotland are going to pensioners in scotland are going to lose the Winter-fuel'>Winter Fuel payment. The Labour Party have chosen payment. The Labour Party have chosen to payment. The Labour Party have chosen to do that, this is a choice chosen to do that, this is a choice they have made to follow tory fiscal choice they have made to follow Tory Fiscal Rules and before the election myself and others warned the election myself and others warned the public of the fact the Labour Party and the conservatives were not being honest conservatives were not being honest about public finances, the conspiracy of silence, they said the conspiracy of silence, they said they the conspiracy of silence, they said they would be no austerity, but here we are, broken austerity, but here we are, broken promises right at the Start Broken Promises right at the start of broken promises right at the start of their time in Office And Start of their time in office and the start of their time in office and the public were promised better and the public were promised better and they deserve better but this better and they deserve better but this is not change. But this is not change. Steven finn but this is not change. Steven firm of the but this is not change. Steven firm of the snp, but this is not change. Steven firm of the snp, thanks but this is not change. Steven firm of the snp, thanks for i finn of the snp, thanks for joining us. Stephen flynn. The argument that the Labour Party were not honest about the fact that this was coming and there are some Labour Mps who would agree with that and some who will have abstained today and they will say they were not told it was coming and it was not in the Party Manifesto and so they hope that means they will not be suspended from the parliamentary Labour Party but we have to wait and see how many decided not to back this. Thanks forjoining us. Jon trickett was the only sitting Labour Mp to explicitly back the tory motion and he posted on Social Media saying he could not support the government in good conscience and he says he will sleep well tonight knowing he supported his constituents. 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