Winter fuel. Whether starmer is right on winterfuel. Eat in Winter Fuel. Eat in southampton, winterfuel. Eat in southampton, good morning, morandi and st ives, susan in congleton, Swindon And Room for you as well so get in touch. Peter, what would you like to say . It peter, what would you like to sa . ,. ,. , say . It is out there online about a say . It is out there online about a video say . It is out there online about a Video Of say . It is out there online about a Video Of keir say . It is out there online. About a Video OfKeir Starmer talking about an 84 year old pensioner, just before the election she said she couldnt get out of bed in the morning because she didnt want to turn the heating on. He stood there and told her lies and said this will not happen on my watch. He lied, he stood there and lied. Are they going to lose their allowance . Are they going to turn the heating off in the House Of Commons . Are they going to claim thousands of pounds of expenses on top of the £90,000 salaries . Of course they are. Starmer is a liar. Starmer is a liar. They are. Starmer is a liar. Starmer is a liar. We have free Seech Starmer is a liar. We have free speech in starmer is a liar. We have free speech in this starmer is a liar. We have free speech in this Country Starmer is a liar. We have free speech in this Country And Starmer is a liar. We have free speech in this country and you | speech in this country and you have exercised it. Miranda in st ives, what do you think about them implementing this policy when they were so avidly accusing the conservatives of planning the very same thing, miranda . ~ ,. , miranda . Well, let me start this by saying miranda . Well, let me start this by saying that miranda . Well, let me start this by saying that i miranda . Well, let me start this by saying that i will miranda . Well, let me start this by saying that i will be l this by saying that i will be 70 next this by saying that i will be 70 next year so this will affect 70 next year so this will affect me. I didnt vote laboun affect me. I didnt vote labour. But im delighted with everything they have done since they have everything they have done since they have come in. I think this is absolutely necessary. We havent is absolutely necessary. We havent seen what they are planning to do in the budget yet planning to do in the budget yet. They have barely had a chance yet. They have barely had a chance to yet. They have barely had a chance to get their feet under the table. And yet in the short time the table. And yet in the short time that the table. And yet in the short time that they have been in office. Time that they have been in office, Keir Starmer has been building office, Keir Starmer has been building bridges with all the European Leaders that we had lost friendships and alliances with lost friendships and alliances with because brexit. The Bigger Icture is with because brexit. The bigger picture is positive . With because brexit. The bigger picture is positive . You with because brexit. The bigger picture is positive . You think i picture is positive . You think the bigger picture is positive . And he settled with the doctors here. He told us it would be tough. The country was broken, the country is broken. I have never seen before an election in a party like the Tory Party try so very hard to lose an election. They let labour have this win because they dont want to clear up their own mess. Starmer is attempting to do that. Can we notjust hold off a little while at least until we have had the budget, at least until we have seen what is in the budget . I hear ou, what is in the budget . I hear you, miranda, what is in the budget . I hear you, miranda, many what is in the budget . I hear you, miranda, many people. What is in the budget . I hear. You, miranda, many people will hear you and perhaps be standing up now and applauding you and others not so much. Im you and others not so much. Im sure the you and others not so much. Im sure the nature you and others not so much. Im sure the nature of you and others not so much. Im sure the nature of it. You and others not so much. Im sure the nature of it. Thank sure the nature of it. Thank ou so sure the nature of it. Thank you so much sure the nature of it. Thank you so much for sure the nature of it. Thank you so much for getting sure the nature of it. Thank you so much for getting in i you so much for getting in touch. Susan in congleton, for you it isnt a matter of waiting and giving them the benefit of the doubt. Remind us of your situation, susan. Benefit of the doubt. Remind us of yoursituation, susan. Im of your situation, susan. Im speaking of your situation, susan. Im speaking on of your situation, susan. In speaking on behalf of all of the many carers who are caring for their Loved Ones at home. My for their Loved Ones at home. My husband wanted to be at home. We brought him out of hospital and he is in a hospital and he is in a Hospital Bed in the lounge. He has an Oxygen Machine keeping him alive, he has an electric Bed Charger on all the time for the hoist. He is also son downing dementia so hes awake all night and the lights are on all night and the lights are on all night and the lights are on all night as well. My Heating Bill is enormous and also the power. The power that is going out of this home just to keep him comfortable and safe and comfortable is horrendous. The allowance is not means tested, it was brought in and based on need. So my argument is Heating And Powerfor somebody in need like this is a medical need. I want to ask your adviser, can you advise me what i should economise on . Should it be the oxygen, should it be the electric bed . Should it be his diet . Should it be the lighting all night to keep him happy . Should you be in a room with Keir Starmer and Rachel Reeves and Angela Rayner and others, what would yOu Say . I and Angela Rayner and others, what would yOu Say . And Angela Rayner and others, what would yOu Say . I would ask him, ou what would yOu Say . I would ask him, you tell what would yOu Say . I would ask him, you Tell Me what would yOu Say . I would ask him, you Tell Me what what would yOu Say . I would ask him, you Tell Me what i what would yOu Say . I would ask him, you Tell Me what i can him, you Tell Me what i can economise on. We dont have Pension Credit, we are one of the many a few pounds over, and i mean a few pounds. The Social Worker advised me there is nothing there for us. Im just saying im saving the country a lot of money caring for my husband which is what we want to do. I dont get the Carer Allowance because i have the State Pension. It isnt a full one but its enough to get me away from any care allowance. The Attendance Allowance is taken away from us because it goes towards the carers coming in plus more money will have to pay towards it. Im not complaining because this is the life we want. The last weeks or months we have together this is our choice. But please, let my husband have the last weeks or months in some degree of Comfort And Dignity by this government. I Comfort And Dignity by this government. Comfort and dignity by this government. I think the Point Ou government. I think the point you make government. I think the point you make about government. I think the point you make about so government. I think the point you make about so many government. I think the point i you make about so many home carers, people caring for their Loved Ones, and in effect saving the State Money is a point well made and its a point well made and its a point a lot of people do make, and thank you, susan. Andy in swindon, mike in fareham, and anne in the wirral, merseyside. Difficult to follow susan, what an extra ordinary call. What would you like to say, good morning, anne . It would you like to say, good morning, anne . Would you like to say, good morning, anne . It is strange listenin morning, anne . It is strange listening to morning, anne . It is strange listening to that morning, anne . It is strange listening to that call morning, anne . It is strange listening to that call because j listening to that call because ive been in that situation up until ive been in that situation up until february this year when my husband died. Ive been home caring my husband died. Ive been home caring for my husband died. Ive been home caring for him and like that Lady Caring for him and like that lady im caring for him and like that lady im on a reduced personal Pension Lady im on a reduced personal pension of lady im on a reduced personal pension of my own because i have pension of my own because i have brought up children and i didnt have brought up children and i didnt have enough credits. And we didnt didnt have enough credits. And we didnt have carers because i did all we didnt have carers because i did all the we didnt have carers because i did all the caring for him. Since did all the caring for him. Since his did all the caring for him. Since his death my income has halved since his death my income has halved because he had a pension from halved because he had a pension from his halved because he had a pension from his work and he had a full state from his work and he had a full State Pension and we had my small State Pension and we had my small pension plus the Attendance Allowance. So in actual Attendance Allowance. So in actual fact, Attendance Allowance. So in actualfact, my Attendance Allowance. So in actual fact, my income now is half actual fact, my income now is half of actual fact, my income now is half of what it was when he was alive half of what it was when he was alive and half of what it was when he was alive. And my point is that i dont alive. And my point is that i dont qualify for Pension Credits dont qualify for Pension Credits because im just one of those credits because im just one of those People Thatjust miss Out On It those people that ust miss Out On It. , , those people that ust miss Out On It. ,. , those people that ust miss Out On It� yeah. Those people that ust miss Out On It. � yeah. I i on it. Just miss out . Yeah. I think the on it. Just miss out . Yeah. I think the lady on it. Just miss out . Yeah. I think the lady who on it. Just miss out . Yeah. I think the lady who made on it. Just miss out . Yeah. I j think the lady who made the point think the lady who made the point before, thats what i text point before, thats what i text in point before, thats what i text in about, i agree it shouldnt go to everybody. Lots of people shouldnt go to everybody. Lots of people dont need it and donate of people dont need it and donate it to Food Banks and things donate it to Food Banks and things like that, but i do think things like that, but i do think the Pension Credit level should think the Pension Credit level should be raised so that people who are should be raised so that people who are on a low income come into who are on a low income come into it who are on a low income come into it and who are on a low income come into it and also you get your Television Licence and things like that Television Licence and things like that whereas i have to pay all the like that whereas i have to pay all the running of a house which all the running of a house which i all the running of a house which i had for both of us On Half which i had for both of us On Half the which i had for both of us On Half the money. That was my point half the money. That was my point i half the money. That was my point. I think the Pension Credit point. I think the Pension Credit level should be raised and i Credit Level should be raised and i think, really, how did they and i think, really, how did they come to this decision so quick . They come to this decision so quick . They knew they were going quick . They knew they were going to quick . They knew they were going to do it before, didnt they . Going to do it before, didnt the . Going to do it before, didnt they . They i they . Do you reckon . They wouldnt they . Do you reckon . They wouldnt have they . Do you reckon . They wouldnt have suddenly they . Do you reckon . They wouldnt have suddenly sat| they . Do you reckon . They wouldnt have suddenly sat down in the wouldnt have suddenly sat down in the first wouldnt have suddenly sat down in the first few weeks and say, i in the first few weeks and say, i know in the first few weeks and say, i know what we will do, we will stop i know what we will do, we will stop the i know what we will do, we will stop the Pension Credit. They must stop the Pension Credit. They must have had that in their discussions beforehand. But they discussions beforehand. But they wouldnt have said it before they wouldnt have said it before the election. Too toxic . That is deceitful. Before the election. Too toxic . That is deceitful. I before the election. Too toxic . That is deceitful. I voted before the election. Too toxic . That is deceitful. I voted for i that is deceitful. I voted for labour that is deceitful. I voted for labour and i support Keir Starmer, i think he will make a good starmer, i think he will make a good joh starmer, i think he will make a good job of things. But ijust think good job of things. But ijust think this is the wrong, terribly think this is the wrong, terribly wrong way to start. Why terribly wrong way to start. Why would you look for such A Bil why would you look for such a big Fight Why would you look for such a big Fight Right at the beginning . Who is advising them . Beginning . Who is advising them . , beginning . Who is advising them . , them . People say this is the time to do them . People say this is the time to do stuff them . People say this is the time to do stuff when them . People say this is the time to do stuff when there l them . People say this is the l time to do stuff when there is the wind in your sails, time to make those difficult decisions, those hard choices. Many think thatis those hard choices. Many think that is the political reality of it, anne, you know . But i think it is of it, anne, you know . But i think it is the of it, anne, you know . But i think it is the wrong of it, anne, you know . But i think it is the wrong choice. | of it, anne, you know . But i| think it is the wrong choice. I just think it is the wrong choice. I just think think it is the wrong choice. I just think its the wrong choice just think its the wrong choice. Why would you do that . I choice. Why would you do that . I can choice. Why would you do that . I can totally understand, if they i can totally understand, if they had i can totally understand, if they had turned around and said. They had turned around and said. We they had turned around and said, we are going to look at winter said, we are going to look at Winter Fuel allowance. We think there Winter Fuel allowance. We think there are Winter Fuel allowance. We think there are so people that dont need there are so people that dont need it there are so people that dont need it. Like the money expert fellow, need it. Like the money expert fellow, he need it. Like the money expert fellow, he said when we got the extra fellow, he said when we got the extra money it was like it went on the extra money it was like it went on the Council Tax bands of your on the Council Tax bands of your house, so i think if you are your house, so i think if you are up your house, so i think if you are up to your house, so i think if you are up to Band C or a band your house, so i think if you are up to Band C ora band d, then are up to Band C ora band d, thenyou are up to Band C ora band d, then you got the extra money but then you got the extra Money Hut if then you got the extra money but if you then you got the extra money but if you got higher than that then but if you got higher than that then you but if you got higher than that then you didnt end there was no outcry then you didnt end there was no outcry about that, nobody complained, did they . Because most complained, did they . Because most leaders low income people that live most leaders low income people that live in Lower Band Houses and flats that live in Lower Band Houses and flats across the board. The last government did that, you know last government did that, you know when they gave the extra £66 a know when they gave the extra £66 a month . So there are other ways £66 a month . So there are other ways of £66 a month . So there are other ways of doing this, i think. I think ways of doing this, i think. I think it ways of doing this, i think. I think it is ways of doing this, i think. I think it is a ways of doing this, i think. I think it is a real misstep. Why set everybodys back up, even your set everybodys back up, even your own set everybodys back up, even your own mp5 . It set everybodys back up, even your own mps . Set everybodys back up, even your own mps . It is interesting Ou Sa your own mps . It is interesting yOu Say that your own mps . It is interesting yOu Say that this your own mps . It is interesting yOu Say that this one your own mps . It is interesting yOu Say that this one was your own mps . It is interesting | yOu Say that this one was under the sofa, they knew it was under the sofa and then one won the election. Some people are saying what a surprise, look at the black hole. 0ther surprise, look at the black hole. Other people are saying it is dire, they have to find the pennies from under the sofa. Thank you so much. Kenneth in huddersfield, what you think about what you are hearing so far, kenneth . Good Morning Hearing so far, kenneth . Good morning. Good hearing so far, kenneth . Good morning. Good morning, hearing so far, kenneth . Good morning. Good morning, sir. L morning. Good morning, sir. Very interesting morning. Good morning, sir. Very interesting debate morning. Good morning, sir. Very interesting debate so i morning. Good morning, sir. I very interesting debate so far. My very interesting debate so far. My point regarding this is, the Labour Government say they need to do this to grow the economy. How are they going to grow the economy when millions of pensioners are going to be £500 a year worse off . We are not going to be spending it in the local community. All our money is going to Go On each of our homes. I think it is a misnomer and they are trying to mislead people. Ijust cant believe that a Labour Government have done this will stop its just incredible. Done this will stop its Ust Incrediblei done this will stop its ust incredible. How will you be affected. Incredible. How will you be affected, kenneth . Incredible. How will you be affected, kenneth . Im incredible. How will you be i affected, kenneth . Im going incredible. How will you be affected, kenneth . Im going to be affected affected, kenneth . Im going to be affected. I affected, kenneth . Im going to be affected. I live affected, kenneth . Im going to be affected. I live on affected, kenneth . Im going to be affected. I live on my affected, kenneth . Im going to be affected. I live on my own, i be affected. I live on my own, sadly i lost my wife a couple of years ago but i live on my own. Im going to put more jumpers on, i will not put the heating on because im terrified of high energy bills. Because the cost of energy is ever increasing, its going To Go ever increasing, its going to 9 up ever increasing, its going To Go up 10 . So thats what is going to happen. It is going to be a great inconvenience. People will die because some people will be terrified of putting the heating on at all. They will literally freeze to death. I voted they will literally freeze to death. Ivoted labour they will literally freeze to death. I voted labour in every single general election since i first voted in 1970 and im ashamed of the fact that i voted labour on the Lith Ofjuly after they have done this. The very wealthy have not been touched so far. Very wealthy have not been touched so far. Absolutely not. We have a touched so far. Absolutely not. We have a budget touched so far. Absolutely not. We have a budget in touched so far. Absolutely not. We have a budget in october, | touched so far. Absolutely not. I we have a budget in october, we dont know what will happen in the budget. Dont know what will happen in the budget the budget. Well, there is aoini the budget. Well, there is going to the budget. Well, there is going to be the budget. Well, there is going to be no the budget. Well, there is going to be no favours the budget. Well, there is going to be no favours for| the budget. Well, there is. Going to be no favours for us, i tell you now, absolutely none. Absolutely no favours whatsoever. I can tell. To me, they are far more right wing than any tory government i have ever known, that includes margaret thatchers, so far anyway. They really have a lot of work to do to earn my vote ever again if i ever get the chance to vote again. Kenneth, I Cant chance to vote again. Kenneth, I Cant thank chance to vote again. Kenneth, I Cant thank you chance to vote again. Kenneth, I Cant thank you enough chance to vote again. Kenneth, I Cant thank you enough for I Cant thank you enough for making the effort to come on the programme this morning, it is so important to hear what you think about this, a real Litmus Test of opinion on this policy. The anger, as you are probably hearing and have gathered, of steam. Good morning, andy, what is your opinion . Morning, andy, what is your oinion . Morning, andy, what is your opinion . Morning, andy, what is your oinion . ,. Opinion . Good morning, nicky. As Ou Opinion . Good morning, nicky. As you may opinion . Good morning, nicky. As you may remember, opinion . Good morning, nicky. As you may remember, i opinion . Good morning, nicky. As you may remember, i am i opinion . Good morning, nicky. I as you may remember, i am more of a bigger picture person, but i wanted to start off with my own situation because i am a pensioner, and just above the limit, im being honest, i can live without the £200. But i am nowhere near well off, not even close to the average wage. That is just step one. Im close to the average wage. That Isjust Step one. Im going to lose that. Step two, the Tax Threshold has frozen, that is a real knock for me, and my State Pension triple yacht is being. Pension triple yacht is being Pension Triple Yacht is being. Pension triple yacht is beini. ~ , being. When yOu Said triple acht, i being. When yOu Said triple yacht. I lost being. When yOu Said triple yacht, i lost sympathy being. When yOu Said triple yacht, i lost sympathy for being. When yOu Said triple yacht, i lost sympathy for a l yacht, i lost sympathy for a second laughter it is parked just outside my mansion should i go and get it for you . Mansion should i go and get it for ou . �. , for you . Im back with you, Go On. Im for you . Im back with you, Go On m also for you . Im back with you, Go On. Im also a for you . Im back with you, Go On. Im also a Social For You . Im back with you, Go On. Im also a social Housing L on. Im also a social housing tenants and on. Im also a social housing tenants and i on. Im also a social housing tenants and i read on. Im also a social housing tenants and i read on on. Im also a social housing tenants and i read on the. On. Im also a social housing | tenants and i read on the Bbc Site that labour are considering raising social housing rents by more than inflation and they are also considering doing away with the 25 single person Council Tax allowance. And if i add all of those things together were talking £1000 a year, not £1000, £1000 a year, which is absolutely horrendous. I worked for 48 years and i have not claimed 1p Of Benefit in that time, paid everything in, and now all of a sudden im being told that, sorry, we are actually not going to give you what you were hoping to get when you retired and were going to take £1000 a year back from you. Im just thinking, excuse me. Basically, pensioners have kept this country going for the last 50 odd years and now they are being told, thanks for that, but no thanks, and were just going to take all this back. Thats how i look at it. The whole bigger picture of this, those with the broadest shoulders should pay more but nobody talks about the other side of the coin, those who dont have the broad shoulders shouldnt take out as much and need to start taking a little bit more responsibility. Maybe some of those bit more responsibility. Maybe some of those shoulders bit more responsibility. Maybe some of those shoulders are i bit more responsibility. Maybe i some of those shoulders are not quite as broad as some of those politicians think. Thank you. Let me move it. Great contribution, if i may say so. Martin in anglesey. Contribution, if i may say so. Martin in anglesey. How are you doin , martin in anglesey. How are you doing. Nicky . Martin in anglesey. How are you doing. Nicky . Very martin in anglesey. How are you doing, nicky . Very well. Martin in anglesey. How are you doing, nicky . Very well. What i doing, nicky . Very well. What ou think doing, nicky . Very well. What you think about doing, nicky . Very well. What you think about this doing, nicky . Very well. What you think about this policy . I you think about this policy . Keep the opinions coming, so important to hear what you think. �. ,. , think. Im not such a Political E of think. Im not such a political type of person think. Im not such a political type of person but think. Im not such a political type of person but it think. Im not such a political type of Person But Itjust type of Person But Itjust strikes me that we havent got enough money in the pot in the country. Clearly we need to claw some country some money back. There is a Cash Flow Problem there. It strikes me that there is a lot of pensioners out there, there is a lot of rich pensioners out there. I was having a look at there. I was having a look at the times richest Person List thing, and there are actually quite a lot of pensioners there who are some of the richest people in the country. I dont know if robert people in the country. I dont know if robert plant, people in the country. I dont know if robert plant, paul. Know if robert plant, Paul Mccartney and mickjagger are Mccartney And Mick jagger are necessarily Mccartney And Mickjagger are necessarily claiming this. I wouldnt imagine Paul Mccartney will be huddled around a candle trying to keep warm. But you know, the Bottom Line is, i guess people who need it, people with the most need should get it. And those who dont need it shouldnt get it, simple. Means test it. I dont see the problem. Simple. Means test it. I dont see the problem. Peter, means testin , see the problem. Peter, Means Testing. In see the problem. Peter, Means Testing, in wellingborough . Testing, in wellingborough . Hello, nicky. Im a 69. Ive had hello, nicky. Im a 69. Ive had this hello, nicky. Im a 69. Ive had this Winter Fuel allowance two years running and when i first two years running and when i first received it, i said to my wife first received it, i said to my wife, whatever is the government doing paying me this Money Government doing paying me this money without any knowledge of whether money without any knowledge of whether i money without any knowledge of whether i need it or not . And for the whether i need it or not . And for the last whether i need it or not . And for the last two years ive gone for the last two years ive gone straight down the local supermarket and spent every Penny Supermarket and spent every penny on supermarket and spent every penny on food for the local Food Penny on food for the local food bank. And ijust think, i agree food bank. And ijust think, i agree with what the government have agree with what the government have done in taking away the winter have done in taking away the Winter Fuel allowance because following on from the other caller. Following on from the other caller, the previous caller, many caller, the previous caller, many pensioners have no mortgage, they have no debt, they mortgage, they have no debt, they have mortgage, they have no debt, they have Money In The Bank and they have Money In The Bank and they are they have Money In The Bank and they are in they have Money In The Bank and they are in receipt of a second pension they are in receipt of a second pension. Just go down any garden pension. Just go down any Garden Centre in the week and see all Garden Centre in the week and see all the Pensioners Lunching Outi see all the pensioners lunching out, those pensioners should not receive the Winter Fuel allowance. The government pays out allowances for social Need And Theyve quite frankly dont Need And Theyve quite frankly dont need it. And theyve quite frankly dont need it, and i dont need it. Im need it, and i dont need it. Im not need it, and i dont need it. Im not rich need it, and i dont need it. Im not rich but i dont need it. Im not rich but i dont need it i im not rich but i dont need it ithink im not rich but i dont need it. I think the difficulty of the it. I think the difficulty of the government has got itself into is the government has got itself into is many pensioners at the lower into is many pensioners at the lower end into is many pensioners at the lower end of the range who do need lower end of the range who do need it lower end of the range who do need it and they are not in receipt need it and they are not in receipt of it. Receipt of it. The Garden Centre lunching receipt of it. The Garden Centre lunching out receipt of it. The Garden Centre lunching out argument. They are packed, the Garden Centres they are packed, the Garden Centres are packed with pensioners who lunch out in the week pensioners who lunch out in the week and pensioners who lunch out in the week. And good luck to them. But dont week. And good luck to them. But dont Tell Me they need the winter but dont Tell Me they need the Winter Fuel allowance. Winter fuel allowance. Thats what ou Winter Fuel allowance. Thats what you think, Winter Fuel allowance. Thats what you think, martin, Winter Fuel allowance. Thats what you think, martin, isntl what you think, martin, isnt it . ,. , ~ , what you think, martin, isnt it . ,. , ~ y what you think, martin, isnt it . ,. , y. It . Yeah. Thank you very much. No bother it . Yeah. Thank you very much. No bother. Its it . Yeah. Thank you very much. No bother. Its a it . Yeah. Thank you very much. No bother. Its a pleasure it . Yeah. Thank you very much. No bother. Its a pleasure leti no bother. Its a pleasure let me come no bother. Its a pleasure let me come to no bother. Its a pleasure let me come to some no bother. Its a pleasure let me come to some of no bother. Its a pleasure let me come to some of the no bother. Its a pleasure let| me come to some of the texts, and keep the thoughts coming in. I would say its pretty evenly split on the texts. Scientific as the Text Reaction may or may not be. I think they are pretty balanced. As from this is appalling to this is appealing, this is the right thing to do. I think the Winterfuel Idea is Winter Fuel idea is disgusting , Winterfuel Idea is disgusting, says this text. To only give it to people in Pension Credit is wrong, it doesnt encourage people to have a pension or save for old Age I. Have a pension or save for old age. Thats from nicola in beverley in east yorkshire. Nicola, thank you. Thank you, all, for putting the trouble for putting fingers to phone on this and pens to paper. Its an absolute disgrace, frankly, says this one, im sorry, but if robbing pensioners of Warmth And Robbing children of a private education is the best labour can do, i dread to think what will happen come the budget. Thats from tom in galashiels. This one. Good morning, just to save from being a nurse in the nhs, which we all know is on its knees, to the government not know that stopping the Winter Fuel allowance will only increase the Winter Pressures on Hospital Beds because people will become very ill, if not already . That is from cheryl in blackpool. Ill give you one on the other side as well. Because there is a variety. Good morning, nicky. While not a Labour Supporter or a fan of Keir Starmer, i do agree that the Winter Fuel payment should be means tested. Lets go with jane in loughborough. Hello, jane. Good morning. Jane. Good morning. Good morning. Jane. Good morning. Good morning, how jane. Good morning. Good morning, how are jane. Good morning. Good morning, how are you . I jane. Good morning. Goodl morning, how are you . Are jane. Good morning. Good morning, how are you . Are you all right . Morning, how are you . Are you all riiht . ,. , i. ,. , all right . How are you and what is aioin all right . How are you and what is going to all right . How are you and what is going to happen all right . How are you and what is going to happen when all right . How are you and what is going to happen when it all right . How are you and what is going to happen when it gets| is going to happen when it gets cold, jane . I is going to happen when it gets cold. Jane . Cold, jane . I told the lady i soke cold, jane . I told the lady i spoke to cold, jane . I told the lady i spoke to earlier cold, jane . I told the lady i spoke to earlier last cold, jane . I told the lady i spoke to earlier last winter| cold, jane . I told the lady i | spoke to earlier last winter i was wrapped up in blankets sitting on the server afraid to put the heating on and thats when i had the fuel allowance. So it is going to be a bit of the same. I think im going to be going to bed at about six oclock at night and watching telly in bed. I think thats what im going to be doing. Im not poverty stricken. Im not. But my income is probablyjust above the threshold. I do have some money saved. I dont want to spend that, though, because thats there in case my car breaks down or my roof falls off. Thats what ive got it for. I dont want it dwindled down to nothing so that I Cant pay anything that needs paying for in an emergency. But im not rich. So i think, you know, i think the conservatives, the conservative voters are largely pensioners and thats why we are clobbered because they dont care about us. Are clobbered because they dont care about us. That is a bit of political dont care about us. That is a bit of political cynicism, bit of political cynicism, dont you think . Bit of political cynicism, dont you think . Well, who doesnt dont you think . Well, who doesnt make dont you think . Well, who doesnt make any dont you think . Well, who l doesnt make any difference dont you think . Well, who doesnt make any difference to our votes . Lets club at the pensioners. He made a promise he wouldnt scrap the Winter Fuel allowance when they were leading up to the election, so i think it is a little bit rich now what they have done. But i dont think the richest pensioners should get it. I dont. But i think the Council Tax banding idea is a good idea, a good way of measuring who should get it and he shouldnt. Who should get it and he shouldnt. ~. ,. ,. , shouldnt. What do you think about the shouldnt. What do you think about the argument, shouldnt. What do you think about the argument, well, i shouldnt. What do you think i about the argument, well, the phrase articulated earlier, or the image that was portrayed. Going to the Garden Centre . I willjust remind people if they have Justjoined Willjust remind people if they havejustjoined us, hold fire a second, one of our callers said, providing a colourful image, a vivid one, go to the Garden Centres and they are packed with pensioners having lunch. Carry on, jane. Iiiii lunch. Carry on, jane. Ill tell you lunch. Carry on, jane. Ill tell you what, lunch. Carry on, jane. Ill tell you what, to lunch. Carry on, jane. I� ii. Tell you what, to the alzheimers society, they say that you should socialise as a way of warding off alzheimers and dementia, you shouldnt sit in your house all by yourself you should get out and socialise with other people. Are we meant to sit in our houses and not go out for lunch with our friends because we should be putting that towards our heating and just be lonely . Maybe they are not having quiche and salad, may be just a Cup Of Tea . Quiche and salad, may be Ust A Cup of Mi Cup of tea . Ive got a friend who is older Cup Of Tea . Ive got a friend who is older than Cup Of Tea . Ive got a friend who is older than me, Cup Of Tea . Ive got a friend who is older than me, im i Cup Of Tea . Ive got a friend i who is older than me, im 71, i keep myself very fit as well, i go jogging keep myself very fit as well, i gojogging in the mornings, it isnt very attractive to look at but i go out and do a littlejog in the morning. I little jog in the morning. I take my hat off to you, amazing. Take my hat off to you, amazing take my hat off to you, amazini. ,. , amazing. That is the lovely late doctor amazing. That is the lovely late Doctor Michael amazing. That is the lovely i late Doctor Michael mosleys advice, to get out early and do advice, to get out early and do a brisk walk or a jog so i do it. A brisk walk or a 0g so i do it. ,. , a brisk walk or a 0g so i do it. ,. , a brisk walk or a jog so i do it. ,. ,. , just a brisk walk or a jog so i do it just a a brisk walk or a jog so i do it. Just a mile, | it. Great man. Just a mile, thats it. Great man. Just a mile, thats all it. Great man. Just a mile, thats all. Just . It. Great man. Just a mile, thats all. Just . Im it. Great man. Just a mile, thats all. Just . Im trying | it. Great man. Just a mile, i thats all. Just . Im trying to keep myself thats all. Just . Im trying to keep myself fit thats all. Just . Im trying to keep myself fit so thats all. Just . Im trying to keep myself fit so i thats all. Just . Im trying to keep myself fit so i save thats all. Just . Im trying to keep myself fit so i save the j keep myself fit so i save the Health Service Money because im hopefully not going to need their help in the near future. But i have a friend who is 80 who i meet and she likes To Go to the Garden Centre for lunch and i go there to meet her because thats where she likes To Go. I because thats where she likes to no. , � , because thats where she likes to no. , v. , because thats where she likes to no. , � ,. , To Go. I think its a very important To Go. I think its a very important point To Go. I think its a very important point and To Go. I think its a very| important point and you To Go. I think its a very important point and you have account of the Garden Centre point very well because its about people meeting with each other. Thank you very much indeed. So impressed with the running. Ross in telford. Good morning, ross. Should Keir StarmerU Turn on this . I morning, ross. Should Keir Starmer uturn on this . I dont have a problem Starmer Uturn on this . I dont have a problem with Starmer Uturn on this . I dont have a problem with people have a problem with people Means Testing any benefit, really. I dont want to make this into a generational thing because at the end of the day i think we should tax multimillionaires and billionaires and then we wouldnt have this problem. The fact of the matter is the generation that now receives pension, they may argue this point, but they had it easy, they have a cheap fuel and cheap housing, lots of housing was bought at discounted rates because of right to buy and things and they had a good run when my generation at people who may be under li0 did not command a lot of these people are sitting in big houses that are sitting in big houses that are worth a lot of money and maybe they complain that they Cant Heat them. Yes, i understand that that house is not cash but that house can be sold, it can be borrowed against. I know people from the pub, distant Family Members and staff, they live in big houses on their own and these houses are worth small fortunes and they plead poverty whenever they plead poverty whenever they see the headlines on the pensions and fuel payments, but going back to the Garden Centre staff, they will go out of the Garden Centre, so more power to them, they have earned that money, go and enjoy it. But by the same token when my generation complain we cant get on the Housing Ladder we are told to stop buying avocado on toast. If you cant afford to heat your house, maybe dont buy the ornate duck from the Garden Centre. The whole Tax System is flawed but i dont have a problem Means Testing any benefit because it makes sense. ,. , any benefit because it makes sense. ,. ,. , sense. There was a bit of political sense. There was a bit of political cynicism sense. There was a bit of political cynicism early i sense. There was a bit of| political cynicism early on that they dont give an ornate duck about pensioners because they are not their core voters. Ive heard it said and ive read it as well. We have Rosie in surrey. We are going to Carry On this for the next hour on Bbc Radio 5 live. It is busy, it is significant, it is important and highly relevant to so many of you. Good morning, Rosie. To so many of you. Good morning, Rosie. Hi, how are ou . Morning, Rosie. Hi, how are you . What morning, Rosie. Hi, how are you . What you morning, Rosie. Hi, how are you . What you think morning, Rosie. Hi, how are you . What you think about i morning, Rosie. Hi, how are you . What you think about this . I think is you . What you think about this . I think is be you . What you think about this . I think is be means you . What you think about this . I think is be means tested. You . What you think about this . I think is be means tested. Im i i think is be means tested. Im a mother and i work in the Public Sector it should be means tested. The cost of childcare is astronomical, my mortgage is going up £450 a month, we get no help, we are above the threshold, i havent had a Pay Rise in ten years, i work long hours and it causes me to have tears because it is so frustrating because the Baby Boomer Generation with their big houses, and good pensions. Im not going to get the pension that my mum, for example, has i will not get the pension my grandma has and we are really struggling financially. Protect the most vulnerable and guess. I dont expect to have more money. I own more than people on benefits you get that help, i wouldnt begrudge people having help at all, they deserve it, they need it to survive, but i do begrudge people in big houses who have assets, who have had the best Everything And Pleading poverty in their big giant £700,000 houses, it really upsets me. Really upsets me. They would sa the really upsets me. They would say they have really upsets me. They would say they have paid really upsets me. They would say they have paid in, really upsets me. They would j say they have paid in, theyve paid in, they done their dues, they have left the right way, they have left the right way, they have left the right way, they have lived a decent life and helped others. And they have contributed to society. And what about your grandma . Rosie has gone. And it was such a trenchant question. What is the time . A trenchant question. What is the time . ~. ,. , the time . We are running out of it. Sta the time . We are running out of it stay there. The time . We are running out of it. Stay there, mike. The time . We are running out of it. Stay there, mike. Are the time . We are running out of it. Stay there, mike. Are you it. Stay there, mike. Are you there . Let me check in with you. I there . Let me check in with ou. , there . Let me check in with you 0k. There . Let me check in with. You. 0k, michael, there . Let me check in with you. 0k, michael, we you. I am here. 0k, michael, we are coming you. I am here. 0k, michael, we are coming to you. I am here. 0k, michael, we are coming to you you. I am here. 0k, michael, we are coming to you after you. I am here. 0k, michael, we are coming to you after the are coming to you after the news because i know you have a brilliant point to make. So many. He says bashing the microphone. So many brilliant points this morning. I knew it would be a great gallop around as we gather Winter Fuel payment opinions. Bbc News And Bbc two viewers, thank you for watching. A Special Report from inside afghanistan, where malnutrition grips the country. The healthcare grips the country. The Healthca Re System grips the country. The Healthcare System is on its knees. We are at one hospital by 700 children have died in six months. You can hear the statistics, but this is what it looks like on the frontline. A baby dies, a couple of hours later, another sick baby, brought in. Two of the uks major Trade Unions are calling on the government to scrap plans to cut Winter Fuel payments for millions of pensioners. An exclusive report from the strategically important city of pokrovsk where ukrainian troops try to hold russia back. The pope is in Timor Leste a for his First Papal visit to the predominately catholic country since independence. For the First Papal visit. Hello, First Pa pal visit. Hello, thanks First Papal visit. Hello, thanks for being with us. We are going To Go to that report on afghanistan, but first of all, let me take you to demolish to, used to be known as east timor