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Welcome back to grenfell, im annita mcveigh. Were continuing our coverage ands final report from the investigation into thIs tragedy in which 72 people died. We are continuing to look at reaction to what was said in that report. That the bereaved families and the survivors Fight Forjustice while the deputy prime minIster Angela Rayner has said it Is completely unacceptable that people are still living in homes covered with dangerous parting of the type that was on Grenfell Tower seven years after the fire. Yesterdays final report into the dIsaster Is said all toto 72 deaths were avoidable. The government also wants police and prosecutors to take action as quickly as possible. At criminal charges could include corporate manslaughter. Survivors and relatives of those of diet have now said they have had apologies but carry no Fight Forjustice goes on. Antonio and miguel managed to escape the fire. And tony and hIs wife knocked on the doors of other flats on the 13th Floor Warning friends and neighbours to get out. I friends and neighbours to get out. ~ ,. , out. I knew there Is a fire in the building. Out. I knew there Is a fire in the building, the out. I knew there Is a fire in the building, the small out. I knew there Is a fire in | the building, the small thing out. I knew there Is a Fire In L the building, the small thing i can do Is to give advice to my neighbours. Can do Is to give advice to my neighbours can do Is to give advice to my neighbours. Now the inquiry Is finIshed and neighbours. Now the inquiry Is finIshed and the neighbours. Now the inquiry Is finIshed and the second neighbours. Now the inquiry Is l finIshed and the second chapter begins finIshed and the second chapter begins Is-imported'>OtIs Imported the government takes only board the recommendation. But government takes only board the recommendation. Recommendation. But families and survivors recommendation. But families and survivors may recommendation. But families and survivors may need recommendation. But families and survivors may need to recommendation. But families | and survivors may need to wait until 2026 were a decIsion on potential criminal charges over the fire. Here are some of the reports key findings in 2001 before the dIsaster the warning was raIsed about cladding related fires. But despite concerns, flammable cutting wasnt a banned. The report also found that tests found that the Cladding Or Concern burned violently although the government did not tighten any rules. In 2010, the Coalition Government was intent on cutting regulations. Inquiry found that even matters affecting the safety of life were ignored, delayed or dIsregarded. Of the inquiry also found there had been systematic dIshonesty from manufacturers with one country liberally concealing the true extent of the danger of its product. The report also found that Fire Fighters from the Lodge And Fire brigade that went into Grenfell Place were not properly prepared. Prime minIster Kier Starmer vIsited grenfell and apologIsed yesterday for the systematic failings that led to the deaths, all of weights, the report found, were avoidable. But the government says it wont be easy to make peoples homes safer even though £5 billion Is available to correct the work needed. Billion Is available to correct the work needed. There Is no excuse not the work needed. There Is no excuse not to the work needed. There Is no excuse not to do the work needed. There Is no excuse not to do thIs the work needed. There Is no excuse not to do thIs work i the work needed. There Is no i excuse not to do thIs work now and are still some buildings that we leave have been identified, weve identified 4630 identified, weve identified a630 and only 6 of them are currently in remediation. But it Is completely unacceptable that the remediation Is taking as long as it Is. As long as it Is. Around the country. As long as it Is. Around the country. Peeple as long as it Is. Around the country, people are as long as it Is. Around the | country, people are fighting as long as it Is. Around the country, people are fighting to get Safety Improvements made to carry homes. ThIs woman lives in leeds city centre, building checks by that urgent changes needed to be made here. Alongside Timber Cladding on the outside of the building we have also been told that thIs Polycarbonate Sheeting should never have been used on a residential building because its likely to melt if the temperature got very high. The other problem Is that thIs Is the insulation thats used behind the outer wall of our building and thats basically just polystyrene, Is that also would melt and be toxic in the event of a fire. Event of a fire. New fire Alarms Event of a fire. New Fire Alarms have event of a fire. New Fire Alarms have feted event of a fire. New Fire Alarms have feted and L Event of a fire. New Fire Alarms have feted and residents took the owners of the building took the owners of the building to Court But Work Is not expected to begin until november next year. The developers say thats reasonable given the Nature And Complexity of the works in question. Seven years on, Grenfell Tower remains in place of remembrance and are warning that urgent changes are needed to dangerous homes. The government says speeding up the process of identifying those and getting that work done Is now its priority. Our Home Editor Is with me. You been reflecting how the community here at grenfell were ignored and dIsmIssed as we heard from the inquiry as they raIsed concerns over various aspects of safety in the wake of the fire, having pulled together to fight for their own, to Fight Forjustice . I fight for their own, to Fight Forjustice . Fight for their own, to fight for ustice . ,. , forjustice . I remember those Da S so forjustice . I remember those days so clearly. Forjustice . I remember those days so clearly. I forjustice . I remember those days so clearly. I met forjustice . I remember those days so clearly. I met A Forjustice . I remember those | days so clearly. I met a woman early in the morning on that first, terrible day, around 9am in the morning and asked her about the bag of clothes she had with her, she such she rose to people had lost everything and the fire, she took a rail have own clothes and took them down to grenfell. That was absolutely classic of what was going on in notjust that first day, that first week or two weeks. Were mountains of clothes that are ripe for people. There was a need to for many people, notjust locally many people, not just locally but many people, notjust locally but around the country to feel that they could do something as a consequence of thIs awful tragedy and the effect it has in the local community here. One of those effects Is a lack of trust in politics. Weve seen surveys more broadly, not just here in thIs part of london but elsewhere around the uk where trust in politics Is going down. Uk where trust in politics Is going down uk where trust in politics Is going down. Its important to remember going down. Its important to remember that going down. Its important to remember that the going down. Its important to remember that the prime remember that the prime minIster at the time Theresa May said that people who lived in thIs blog lived a fundamentally different lives, they dont feel theyre connected to the state and therefore mIstrustful of it, to set the legacy of thIs awful tragedy was that people were not to be forgotten. So right from the beginning that there was a sense of what needed to happen was that communities that didnt perhaps feel connected to power or that Democracy Work for them, that their Voice Wasnt being heard would somehow be included in the national conversation in a way that it hadnt been. And i was a poll done during the election that showed the Trust And Confidence in our election but by our politics has never been lower so thatjob still has to be completed. Been lower so that job still has to be completed. Has to be completed. How important has to be completed. How important that has to be completed. How important that Is has to be completed. How important that Is that has to be completed. How important that Is that among the many otherjobs that labour says it has to do as a result of thIs inquiry and the recommendations as to promIse to report back on within six months, how important a Issue-trust'>Set Issue Trust Building Notjust within thIs community but more broadly . Within thIs community but more broadl . ,. ,. ,. , broadly . Hugely important. For societies to broadly . Hugely important. For societies to function broadly . Hugely important. For societies to function well, broadly . Hugely important. For societies to function well, be i societies to function well, be are to believe they have a stake in it. Okori outside society or feel they are outside society, they wont behave in ways that are pro social, or may not. So it Is absolutely fundamental for any government, if you can convince people that politicians are lIstening, that they are connected to power. I think for the government, theres another Issue here just on the challenge of how you deal with the post grenfell effect. Will see how thIs final Inquiry Report has created a new momentum around that. There will be calls for more controls, more Islation-and-regulation'>LegIslation And Regulation to deal with city and the management of residential blocks and so on. We have heard today Angela Rayner saying they she wants more to be done by changes cladding. At the same time, the government saying it Is going to build 1. 5 million new homes within the parliament. Not seen thIs level of Home Building since the second World War if everin since the second World War if ever in thIs country. And i think there will be a balance to be struck here because what are developers and builders need Is confidence that there Isnt going to be some additional cost and when you start talking about safety and regulation, if that comes in, i think weve seen that already with the Building Safety Act as a consequence of grenfell, it put a squeeze on House Boating in thIs country. We have seen very low numbers of new belting in the last few years in part because of new regulation that has made investors feel nervous. Itself are labour there Is a difficult balance here to absolutely do what Is required to keep the buildings are safe, to make sure there can never be another grenfell, but not do anything that Is going to dampen down the figure they need to have to get the house was built that britain it needs. , ~ ,. , house was built that britain it needs. ,,. , needs. Thank you. DIscussing not only the needs. Thank you. DIscussing not only the Issues needs. Thank you. DIscussing not only the Issues that needs. Thank you. DIscussing| not only the Issues that affect Grenfell Play but the wide are questions that thIs tragedy throws open. Churning me Is the Housing Ombudsman for england who will take up thIs conversation. Thank you for joining us. Explain it to me what it Is that you do . Good afternoon what it Is that you do . Good afternoon. And what it Is that you do . Good afternoon. And Ombudsman J what it Is that you do . Good l afternoon. And ombudsman Is there to independently and impartially resolve dIsputes after the landlord has considered it. Once arresting complaints about servers, lets say, orfor a complaints about servers, lets say, Orfora Repairto be complaints about servers, lets say, orfor a repair to be done or repair has not been done in the way it should be, you can paint a landlord, you should get a response from your landlords, if youre not happy, you can bring that to the ombudsman. Its a free to access alternative to the courts. ,. ,. , courts. You and your team, when oure courts. You and your team, when youre dealing courts. You and your team, when youre dealing with courts. You and your team, when youre dealing with complaints, l youre dealing with complaints, youre dealing with complaints, youre looking at a Point In which the relationship between a tenant and the Isation'>Management OrganIsation Is not in a good place. But when you look at the comments from the Inquiry Yesterday that the tenant Isation'>Management OrganIsation for the council here, some of the criticIsms were a chronic and systematic failure in management regarding fire safety, a difficult relationship with residents, defensive to criticIsm from residents just along what do you make of those criticIsms and how typical Is a more broadly . And how typical Is a more broadl . , broadly . Those are comments which are broadly . Those are comments which are in broadly . Those are comments which are in the broadly . Those are comments which are in the report broadly . Those are comments which are in the report i broadly . Those are comments which are in the report i think| which are in the report i think vitalfor all which are in the report i think vital for all social landlords to reflect on. We have seen some positive improvements, i think, since the tragic events of grenfell. We now have, for example, a statutory code of practice to make sure that complaints are dealt with in a fair and effective way and there Is no longer a Postcode Lottery around the country where different landlords may have different approaches or processes. But nonetheless, when you look at that report, those experiences of residents at grenfell art, im afraid, the kind of things we can see elsewhere. Yes, well see some constructive and positive relationships between residents and landlords, even when things are going wrong, but will also see those a breakdown in relationships and trust and landlords just bring a Culture And Behaviour that Is too defensive, too focused on reputation and not focused enough on redress, putting things right and learning from it except those mIstakes arent Made Again. ThIs it except those mIstakes arent Made Again Made Again. As a result. Sor , Made Again. As a result. Sorry. As Made Again. As a result. Sorry. As a Made Again. As a result. Sorry, as a result Made Again. As a result. Sorry, as a result of Made Again. As a result. Sorry, as a result of the i sorry, as a result of the grenfell inquiry, then, when you were looking to resolve dIsputes, will you be expecting landlords and Isation'>Management OrganIsations to meet a higher threshold . Because i would assume you would want them to be taking a look at the findings of thIs inquiry and have a renewed understanding about how they should behave in about how they should behave in a Ispute-situation'>DIspute Situation . A Ispute-situation'>DIspute Situation . Youre riaht, a Ispute-situation'>DIspute Situation . Youre right. The a Ispute-situation'>DIspute Situation . Youre right, the right a Ispute-situation'>DIspute Situation . Youre right, the right culture a Ispute-situation'>DIspute Situation . Youre right, the right culture and| right, the right Culture And Behaviour around complaints Is going to be a key test no for us. ThIs year we have a statutory code of practice brought in last year, referenced in the act, the axIs referenced in the act, the axIs referenced in the grenfell report. And will expect every landlords regardless whether we are seeing complaints involving that landlord or not how they are implementing it. And we will test that a gaze that will be a key test rolled out thIs year to make sure that when residents raIse a complaint, that first of the know how to, secondly, they have confidence it will be taken seriously and that it will make a difference. And are that things will be put right when theyve gone wrong. And we will be asking every social landlords in england to make sure that they can convince us that theyve got the right processes and systems in place to deliver that. Shes really interesting to hear those details from you, thank you. We hope to be back with ou a you. We hope to be back with you a little you. We hope to be back with you a little later you. We hope to be back with you a little later thIs you a little later thIs afternoon with reaction to the Grenfell Place inquiry and the bereaved families and survivors of� Fight Forjustice. Back bereaved families and survivors of� fight for justice. Back to lucy in the studio. The minIstry of defence says a member of the Royal Navy has died after a Merlin Helicopter ditched in the channel during a night time operation with the Hms Queen Elizabeth aircraft carrier. Our defence corresponded Is following the story and has the latest. ThIs happened last night but we have her only now been told that one of the crew, that there were three crew on boards, has died as a result of thIs incident. The other two were rescued matter but they are safe, taken to hospital. It happened around 7 a5pm local time, so would have been getting dark. It Is normalfor Royal Navy helicopters to carry out exercIses, thIs was an exercIse at night time to keep their hours up, because that Is how they have to operate often in combat situations, so to make sure they are qualified to do that. Their adjustment helicopters involved, one of them came down, one of the merlins, and we dont know why it came down. We dont know if thIs was a mechanical problem, Human Effort or the weather. We dont have a clear idea and will not until the have completed an investigation, which has now started. Three people on boards, all crew. It Is a Troop Carrier or it can carry heavy loads. Another version of the same helicopter tours anti Submarine Warfare but thIs one could carry troops. There werent marines on board at the time, just the three crew taking part in thIs exercIse along with that other helicopter when it ditched into the Ish-channeljust'>EnglIsh Channeljust off the Ish-channeljust'>EnglIsh Channeljust off the coast of dorset. Other helicopters from Air Sea Rescue nearby came to help in the recovery operation. They did manage to rescue two of the crew and the third, they recovered the body. We dont know whether it Is a man or a woman, which of the crewjust along the pilot or the navigator, for example its a survive. ThIs Is a very, very sad news, news thIs Is a very, very sad news, News That thIs Is a very, very sad news, News That everyone connected with News That everyone connected wilh our News That everyone connected with our Armed Forces dreads and all with our Armed Forces dreads and all my thoughts are with the family and friends and the colleagues today. Ive been able colleagues today. Ive been able to colleagues today. Ive been able to share my condolences with able to share my condolences with navy able to share my condolences with navy personnel and im here with navy personnel and im here with with navy personnel and im here with the first Sea Lord Is. Here with the first Sea Lord Is a here with the first Sea Lord Is a fult here with the first Sea Lord Is. A full investigation has already Is. A full investigation has already started and that will be one already started and that will be one of its first priority Is. ~. , be one of its first priority Is. , be one of its first priority Is. What appears to have happened. Is. What appears to have happened, exactly . Is. What appears to have j happened, exactly . That Is. What appears to have happened, exactly . That will be for the investigation. Happened, exactly . That will be for the investigation. Today happened, exactly . That will be for the investigation. Today Is l for the investigation. Today Is a day for the investigation. Today Is a day to for the investigation. Today Is a day to mourn the loss of valued a day to mourn the loss of valued navy personnel and to think valued navy personnel and to think about hIs family, hIs friends think about hIs family, hIs friends and hIs colleagues. Not ust friends and hIs colleagues. Not just on friends and hIs colleagues. Not just on the helicopter and back at base just on the helicopter and back at base but the wider Naval Service at base but the wider Naval Service feels hIs laws acutely, like we service feels hIs laws acutely, like we all do. For anyone connected with the Armed Forces, connected with the Armed Forces, thIs sort of news Is news forces, thIs sort of news Is News That forces, thIs sort of news Is News That people dread. The Defence Secretary there. You can follow the latest updates on thIs, there Is a live page up and running on the Bbc News Website or the Bbc News app. The ugandan marathon runner, Rebecca Cheptegei has died four days after being set on fire in an alleged attack by her boyfriend. The olympic athlete was reportedly doused with petrol at her home in Western Kenya, where she had been training. Cheptegei, who was 33, sustained burns on more than 70 of her body. The alleged attacker was also injured. Heres out deputy africa editor, anne soy. CheptegeIs family in mourning. ThIs was their daughter on the international stage, carrying her countrys flag high across the world. But once back home, rebecca became the victim of Domestic Violence, its reported. Herfamily Is demanding justice. Translation we urge the government to provide protection to her children and property at thIs time. The 33 year old athlete was rushed to the main hospital in Western Kenya after her former boyfriend allegedly poured petrol on her and set her on fire at her home during an altercation over a land dIspute. Weve done all that we could for her. She had a severe percentage of burns, which unfortunately led to multi organ failure. In 2021, kenyan athlete Agnes Tirop was found dead in the same region with multiple Stab Wounds in the neck and abdomen. Her husband Is facing murder charges, which he denies. A year later, Is-mutua'>DamarIs Mutua was killed and her partner identified as a suspect. He Is still at large. The loss of three elite female athletes to Domestic Violence in as many years in kenya has raIsed serious concerns and dIscussions about their safety. The eus former brexit negotiator, Michel Barnier has been appointed as the new prime minIster of france. Hes been asked by President Macron to form a new government in an attempt to end weeks of deadlocked negotiations between rival parties. Mr macron called Snap Elections nearly two months ago that failed to produce a clear winner. The French Parliament could still veto mr Macrons Choice with a vote of no confidence. Prime minIster sir Kier Starmer has congratulated Mr Barnier, whittingham also does the best in hIs newjob. Mr barnier Is more familiar in the uk than he Is in france. As he will be able to form a new government Is, how long it lasts Is another matter. There Is an Arithmetic Fact that there are three bloc in parliament, represents one of them, there Is a new government, how long it lasts another matter. There Is an Arithmetic Fact that there are three bloc in parliament, represents one of them, there Is the Centre And Centre right with macroi Is the Centre And Centre right with macro1 and the old goal Is to consider two or other equivalent groups, the letter and the populIst right and the left and the populIst right are in no mood to do any favours to macroi or in no mood to do any favours to macro1 or Mr Barnier and kurt at the top of the had to bring him down. The slim chances as he has of surviving are based around the fact that Mullane Repent and the populus are slightly more ambiguous towards him that they were two other potential nominees and it could be they keep hanging on and give him a stay of execution for some weeks or months the fact Is they are the kind of deciders in all of thIs if Marine Le Pen and her party decide theyve had enough of him, he will go. They heard who will always vote against him because they are furious, saying that they won the election and the dates as lights get the biggest number of seats in parliament, so they say they should have the prime minIstership. Instead, they have a man from the establIshments, at the centre right, so the left will always vote against him. It Is the far right Ist-group'>PopulIst Group that may just give him a stay of execution. The Chief Prosecutor of the international criminal court, has told the Bbc Justice must be seen to be done, after seeking an Arrest Warrant in may for Israels prime Ister-and-defence'>MinIster And Defence minIster and for three hamas leaders, two of whom have since been killed. Karim khan made the comments when speaking to Nick Robinson on the political thinking podcast. What could i have done . If one could have applied for warrants for hamas and not against that looked at the evidence and the evidence compels action in Israel when at the time around a0,000 people had been killed in gaza as long and say thIs Is a weak court that has influenced a weak prosecutor in france by power dynamics. If one had applied for warrants in relation to Israeli officials and not for gaza, theyd say, thIs Is an obscenity, how on earth Is a possible . I think we did what Is right. I think we had evidence. You need to apply the law and you cant have one approach for countries where there Is to see supports, Theres Nato supports, european supports, other countries behind you and a clear approach where you have jurIsdiction because a store may result. The competition and Markets Authority has launched an investigation into Ticketmaster Uk over the sale of oasIs tickets for the bands upcoming reunion tour, including how so called Dynamic Pricing might have been used, where a business adjusts its prices according to changing market conditions, including high demand. The cma Is looking at whether Consumer Protection Law was breached and asking fans to submit evidence from their experience to the purchase or attempted purchase of tickets. The Crown Prosecution Service said it has dIscontinued two Indecent Assault charges brought in 2022 against former Hollywood Producer harvey weinstein. The assault Is alleged to have taken place in August 1996, in london, with police saying it involved a woman now aged in her 50s. The cps said the case had been dropped because there Is no longer a realIstic prospect of conviction. In 2022, a court in la convicted him of raping an actress in the city. A man was shot and killed during the Exchange And Gunfire were and are mIssing close to the german consulate. Is be named as an 18 year old austrian. The bavarian State Premier previously suggested it may be connected to the anniversary of the 1972 Munich Olympics attack. Jeremy kyle has begun giving evidence at an inquest into the death of a man who had appeared on hIs Tv Chat Show in 2019. Steve dymond, from portsmouth, failed a Lie Detector Test he took on air. He was accused of cheating on hIs ex fiancee. Seven days after filming, he Is believed to have taken hIs own life. Itv axed the Jeremy Kyle show in May 2019 following dymonds death. The winner of the Mercury Prize Is being announced tonight at the Abbey Road Studios in london. There are many female fronted bands in the nominees, a record high. Charli xcx Is nominated for her album brats, which caught the public attention at the summer. No chance of flooding here, beautiful, sunny day. Across southern beautiful, sunny day. Across southern england, beautiful, sunny day. Across southern england, the beautiful, sunny day. Across southern england, the Rain L beautiful, sunny day. Across l southern england, The Rain Set to get a lot heavier over the next few hours because thIs area of Rain Across Northern France has brought 2amm mesh of rain in the next hour and that sound of rain Is rotating in across southern England Soccer Star Pozzo so sick, Isle of wight, hampshire, into parts of wiltshire, somerset and gloucestershire as well, these areas were most concerned about with the potential rain bringing localIsed, Flash Flooding where we see that intense rain over the space of the few hours. Some rain across parts of Southern Wales too. For the northwest, where scotland and Northern Ireland, staying beautiful, fine, settled and on. Brightening up across East Anglia through the Afternoon But Underneath that rain in the south, temperatures around 1a new. Overnight, more Rain Forecast across southern areas. Elsewhere turning humid with that Humidity Building in areas of local cloud, some Ist-and-fog'>MIst And Fog patches. So in areas of the ease, market tomorrow, so improvements through the day. Venture, many of seeing sunshine but not in the south. Here, there are outbreaks of rain which Is set to be heavy and potentially thundery. Away from the far south, overall, a warmer day tomorrow. Temperatures widely between 22 and 27 celsius. The weekend, same air of low pressure, still on our charts. ThIs system Is weakening so rather than the prIson rain, were looking at showers which could be heavy and thundery and notjust affecting southern portions of the uk, the rIsk extends across the uk, the rIsk extends across the midlands, wales and northern england. Scotland and Northern Ireland probably having the dries and the brightest of the weather, both through saturday and sunday but most of us will see it be some sunshine at times but still have hefty Town Pause Run for england and wales into sunday. Watch out for the heavy rain in the south. A slowdown in hiring in the us, promoting a slowdown in hiring in the us, prompting concerns about the health of the worlds largest economy. A steely move Joe Biden Is close to blocking the japanese takeover of us steel, according to reports, putting thousands of us jobs at rIsk. The eastern promIse of trade russias Vladmir Putin meets chinese leaders in vladivostok. Welcome to business today. The us Labour Market has continued to cool in August. 99,000 jobs were added in the private sector, indicating a downward trend for the fifth straight month. Its the lowest number since january 2021, and well below forecasts of 1a5,000. And lets Take A Look at pay. Wages grew steadily by a. 8 in the 12 months to the end of August