the shadow chancellor, rachel reeves, is pledging to invest more than seven billion pounds, to try to unlock further funding from the private sector. meanwhile, the conservatives say labour's policy of banning new licences for oil and gas in the north sea will cost billions in lost tax. labour says its plans to close loopholes in the windfall tax on energy companies, that it says will raise llions. in about an hour, reform uk will release its election manifesto — which the party is calling a "contract" with voters. we'll have more on that in a moment. the liberal democrats are having a day at the beach... while calling for an expansion of fuel duty relief for rural motorists. leader sir ed davey visited a south devon beach — taking off his shoes and socks and building sand castles with children and their parents. as we said, nigel farage will launch reform uk's election manifesto in the next hour — which the party is calling a "contract" with voters. reform is promising a freeze on non—essential immigration and cuts to income tax. the launch will be in south wales — mr farage says he wants to highlight what he described as labour's poor record there. a reform candidate has quit the party after it emerged he'd previously urged people to vote for the extreme—right british national party. grant st—clair armstrong reportedly shared support for the bnp on a blogpost in 2010. he has since walked back the comments, labelling the party �*disgusting'. life to the reform party once, you can see john life to the reform party once, you can seejohn sticking photos of nigel farage, you will be launching the manifesto for the party, it is also something the refund particle a contract with voters. goad contract with voters. good afternoon- _ contract with voters. good afternoon. guess - contract with voters. good afternoon. guess who - contract with voters. good afternoon. guess who is l contract with voters. good - afternoon. guess who is back. back again. cheering i did not for one moment think i would be standing here doing this ever again. would be standing here doing this everagain. but would be standing here doing this ever again. but i am and i have come out of retirement and doing it because i genuinely feel that britain is broken, that nothing actually works any more, we are broken economically as our national debt explodes, our debt repayment is over £90 billion a year, interestingly the same amount as the education budget. it is that generation that will pay for our mistakes for years to come. i feel increasingly be unbroken socially and it doesn't matter what crime statistics the government quotes, we all feel less safe on our streets and we have reached a point where most crime even goes unreported. i am in absolutely no doubt we are in decline culturally, we have begun to forget who we are, what artist that is, what we stand for, we have put up is, what we stand for, we have put up with the minds of our children from a young age right through university being poisoned about what this country is and what it represents. all this would be manageable if there were some clear political solutions. manageable if there were some clear politicalsolutions. i manageable if there were some clear political solutions. i think our politics as perhaps as broken as all the other factors i politics as perhaps as broken as all the otherfactors i have politics as perhaps as broken as all the other factors i have listed and i was very struck over the past couple of weeks i have been involved in debates with party leaders and main representatives, one on the bbc and one on itv which descended into and one on itv which descended into a shouting match between penny mordaunt and angela rayner and yet when you listen to what they were arguing over it seems to me that the more they argued the more they seemed the same. we are going through a breakdown of trust in politics where manifestos one after another can keep making the same promises and no one believes frankly a word that they say. which is why today specifically is not a manifesto launch because if i say to you manifesto you are immediately associating that with a lie and that associating that with a lie and that as holy unsurprising. there are many millions of people notjust disappointed over manifestos but a lot of brexit voters, millions of brexit voters genuinely disappointed, they believe that by voting for brexit and the reason resort the turnout on the scale be dead as we had got a grip of mass migration into britain, we get back proper control of our borders and none of that has happened, the very opposite has happened so that our feelings of disenchantment as well. they also run throughout millions of small businesses, you would have thought at least the regulations will get easier. some people say that as a failure of brexit, it isn't, it is a failure of a sovereign government to implement mural of the and indeed its own manifesto. there is also a complete light of leadership. i am not going to say personally abusive things about keir starmer or rishi sunak, i will leave that to the rest of the establishment to biereth about me because i couldn't care less, it doesn't matter. i have even produced people throwing things at me. there is a lack of leadership, people actually need some sense of being inspired, some sense believing that somebody who believes in what they see and says what they believe and will show a way for want for the country. i do not believe we have any of that either so i have come back into this because i think that is now the most enormous gap that exists between the two big westminster parties and i say westminster parties and i say westminster because it is very much westminster because it is very much westminster and oxford university thinking that dominates these parties, a huge gap between that and the conversations i hear being had by families around the country. i can see it before the brexit referendum this huge gap between our political class and the people and the brexit result, the shock of the result showed us that existed. i believe that gap to be even bigger thanit believe that gap to be even bigger than it was before the referendum in 2016. we have chosen to launch our contract with you. we are not pretending that we were when this general election, we are a very new political party and we would have much preferred the selection to take place in october or november. i personally was a bit crestfallen additionally by what rishi sunak said when he announced july four but we are running very fast to catch up and i genuinely believe our campaign has some momentum around the country, we have seen that in some of the opinion polls and particularly encouraging a rapidly increasing number of young people, 18-24 increasing number of young people, 18—24 age group are coming true reform uk cause. this is not something with which we will govern the country that is not possible and the country that is not possible and the selection although the selection is for our party and me the first important step on the road to 2029. our aim and important step on the road to 2029. 0uraim and ambition important step on the road to 2029. our aim and ambition is to establish a bridgehead in parliament and become a real opposition to a labour government. i say that because i cannot see ed davey providing real opposition because actually i many fundamental policies you liberal democrats and labour do not vary very much. and i cannot see the conservatives providing opposition because they do not agree on anything, they spent most of their days arguing amongst themselves and they are split down the middle when it comes to policy. we are certainly split down the middle and terms of their attitude towards me. suella braverman fluctuate proposing particle manage over the weekend whilst rod cameron they dragged him back, and we had david cameron generally being fairly abusive but that sums up where the conservative party as so br a party that knows what we believe in. we get the fundamental principles of what we are about, we believe in the family, community, country. we know exact what we believe in and our aim is to provide clear and consistent and growing leadership during the course of the next limit, notjust in parliament but around the country as well. it is my aim be turned this into a big genuine mass movement of people and i believe that is actually highly achievable. we have chosen to launch our contract and wheels which seems highly appropriate because labour have been in power here since 1997 so perhaps there are some lessons we can learn from 25 years of labour government and wheels and what we might be looking forward to in a few weeks when sir keir starmer becomes our prime minister. and wales taxes are higher, counciltax prime minister. and wales taxes are higher, council tax is higher on average about £500 per median property than in england. enter listing that when the question is being asked of keir starmer on council tax they have precious little to say. people in wales pay more taxes and spending per capita is higher in wales than in england. there is more money being spent on you on public services than that is on the other side of the bridge. those debates i have been in or anyone seems to talk about is more investment in the nhs and public services but what they really mean is they will spend more of your taxes and perhaps that would not matter effort led to better delivery. the figures and wales are truly astonishing, waiting times and wales on the nhs are exactly 50% longer than they are on the other side of the bridge. education which has drifted and wales rapidly and a left at pc book direction and look at the tables on english and mathematics, you will see wales has fallen further behind england, not personally but i believe angled is very good. a labour government and wheels just as your freedoms and choices and rights to buy and many other schemes which damage aspiration particularly for young people who want to get on. and of course the crowning glory of 25 years of welsh government and wales, the imposition of 20 mph speed lots. it led to one of the most astonishing petitions you have ever seen, the percentage of welsh people that say that petition, i have never seen a petition like it although we are rather used to all of that with london. it gives us some idea that an terms of outright policy labour is not very different to the conservatives. it is just more than competent. itjust waste even more money than conservative governments do but here is the point, about things going so badly wrong and wales over 25 years, there has been no proper clear consistent opposition voice, the conservatives and the senate had been feeble to say the least and that is the argument, wales gives osteopathic example of what i am talking about, we need to have good strong opposition that can mobilise people and very large numbers. we know what we stand for, we are for control of borders and promoting genuine economic growth, we are for helping the little guy. millions of men and women trying to get on to do their own thing and yet a liberal and conservative party that only ever listens to the giant global incorporates. we are about trying to restore trust in politics. you might dislike what we say, you may not want to vote for what we say but at least we do say what we mean. and you want to have an absolutely radical rethink of the way in which our public services are run and that includes the nhs. it has been difficult to have any conversation about the nhs over the 25 years i have been in politics without someone pointing and screaming that you want to privatise it. all we want is an nhs that is fully at the point of delivery that actually works and toby get the i don't think most people could give a damn about. we would like the state to take far less of our money that it is currently doing and will go on taking more and more. i have said from the start of this should be the immigration election. i have a doubt about that, i think the population explosion, the impact it has had on peoples lives as the dominant issue. how can you discuss nhs waiting list without discussing the fact that the population has risen by 6 million people since david cameron came to power in 2010. how can you talk about a shortage of housing permitted to build a new dwelling every two minutes just to cope with current levels of net migration. how can you talk about any of these things shall be believe this is what we should be talking about but the others would rather not discuss it because the conservatives are attempting for a fifth manifesto in attempting for a fifth manifesto in a role to tell us the owl reducing the numbers. but then they told us in 2010 and 2015 and 2017 they would reduce net migration to tens of thousands a year, they promised in 2019 with brexit controls we would mass of otherjust the levels of unskilled labour coming into britain, it is running and getting on knit three quarters of a million a year. when you look at those have come and stayed one and 30 people on the streets of britain today have come here and the last two years alone. never before in history have we ever seen literally anything like it and as for labour, it is extraordinary, they launched their manifesto with a six key priorities, not even mentioning emigration, not even mentioning the impact on peoples lives so we want to have a proper and honest debate about it and we believe an overall freeze or net migration numbers is what we need for a few years to help us at least try to catch up. we also have to say it is only right and proper that you only get benefits in this country once you have been here for five years, 0beid the law and pager taxes. these are policies that are discriminatory in favour of british taxpayers and british people. if you go to what can i still not get benefits or dental care, you will have to pay into the system and obey the law. we are doing what a good sensible country should, recognising that the first duty of the british government as to its own people and not to anybody else and as far as dover is concerned i was going out into the channel 4 years ago filming the small boats and predicting that vast numbers would arrive unless we change policy and deported people, something we used to do until 2010. the last years of the labour government we were deporting up to 40,000 people a year who had come illegally, we have lost our way and part of these and for that as a court and strasberg that has become increasingly activist, even interfered with the swiss government telling them they have an obligation under international law to maintain its zero dollars is. the swiss government have decided to ignore them but we think the only way to fully restore sovereignty to decide who can come in and who can stay is by leaving that european court of human rights. it is completely out of date, not serving the purpose which we signed up to over 70 years ago. there is all leading on to the cost of living crisis, rents are up by an average 20—25% across the whole of the uk since 2021, is it any wonder with an exporting population that rates are going up so a freeze on overall numbers would at least begin to reduce the pressure. and one of the biggest bills families face in the lower your overall income as the bigger this particular bell matters is energy. whether you are filling your car or paying for heating, and we have been following their zero policies championed by today's a enthusiastically embraced by boris johnson and that you copied by the labour party, they are self—destructive, look at what it is doing to industry. what is happening to steel—making in south wales, it is going but somehow government thinks that is good. because we have reduced the amount of carbon a oxide be omitted but to be don't, we just export the production of that co2 as the goods are made someone else in this case by many secondary steel and then be import goods back so we want to get rid of the subsidies that are paid to green energy companies by loading the taxes on the electra city bills of everybody in this country and we have been doing this for the best part of 20 years. we also have to try and find a way people can be better off. national government, opposition, much of the media seems to want to bow down to the god of gdp, it arose last year, isn't that great? if you massively increase the population it is not surprising with more people that the overall size of the economy would grow. but here is the key, coinciding with record levels of migration into britain we have now seen six consecutive quarters of gdp per head falling. we are getting poorer, the mass import of cheap unskilled foreign labour may work for multinational companies who want cheap labour and could not give a damn about the social consequences but it is not working and we very much want to be a party that is on the side of working people. and this is perhaps the most transformative thing, in this document which has been what on for months, richard deserves the credit for this not me, but the most innovative thing policy n here is to raise the level at which people start paying tax to £20,000 a year. why? number one, it would take 7 million people out of the tax system altogether, a devilishly complicated tax system. that would be a good thing for those on low pay, a good thing for many pensioners they have a small private income supplementing their state income supplementing their state income and being dragged into the tax system. not a very good policy for local accountants because they love the complexity, not a good policy possible solvents because we could probably get rid of a few with the suffocation of this but also a huge incentive to get people back to work. i will talk a bit more about that at the end. we also think inheritance tax and it depends where you live and your property values, this is not as relevant as it perhaps as in the home counties, an average detached house in south london is now attracting inheritance tax, this was never designed for people in the middle, it was for those at the upper income scale so we go to £2 million before anybody paid inheritance tax so certification matters to us. it is wealth creation, labour have launched their manifesto talking about wealth creation but identity anything in the out to create wealth. that is because our particle class as stuck in the global corporate mindset. i saw this in brussels with the influence of big businesses lobbying to dominate the way totally that politicians thought, the unholy triumvirate of big business, big banks and big politics and we genuinely are on the side of the 5.5 million men and women running their own small companies and acting as sole traders who feel government as their enemy whatever the cannot of the rosettes. look at these crazy rules, how difficult it is for self employed people across the uk, figure about what they did to corporation tax last year putting it up by 30% and being surprised that many small medium businesses do not have as much capital to reinvest incentive to make profit as they had before. the other group of people who feel betrayed by the likes of brexit delivery was the product population who voted for numbers the business community who genuinely thought and hoped that by getting rid and streamlining so many european union rules that their lives would get easier, they have not. the government blames the pandemic because of that we could not do these things but i could argue that don't have to lock us down repeatedly, once was, with more than enough but we have not and rishi sunak and others promised to get rid of eu was, they have not done it and in some sectors the egg to the authorities in britain have made life for men and women running small businesses even harder than it was during the time of eu membership. we believe that genuine economic growth does not come from having dozen giant multinationals, it comes from simultaneous actions of hundreds of thousands, millions of people deciding they will have a go and these people do not benefit on holiday pay or sickness pay, these economically these men and women at the heels of the country, they deserve encouragement and the more people that are directly greater the wealth we will create and we need wealth. 0ne wealth we will create and we need wealth. one of the areas we need to spend money as defence, i cannot thank you one has been any more perilous place at any point in my lifetime. i was bond after the cuban missile crisis just to clarify. this crazy idea of saying we are going back to national service, we are not, orwe back to national service, we are not, or we will do is take 30,000 young people and at vast expense give them a year of training what we ought to be doing is saying what a thousand people in the army in 2010, there are 72,000 people now, let's not recruit 30,000 part—timers, let's actually recruit 30,000 people full—time to be any services and apes in would apply across the navy and air force and in terms of expenditure we think government should put on to 2.5% and then 3% of gdp as quickly as possible. we have neglected defence very badly. in terms of public services, policing presence on the nhs, there is certainly a radical cultural rethink that needs to go on, i would be fascinated going around the country talking to parents and particularly about the real fear of knife crime. growing fear of knife crime and this is not from the 18 plus, it is right down to the teenage years and we have no doubt an approach to policing such as stop and search and do not worry a few are called prejudiced on doing something wrong actually you will save lives, we have to get much tougher on low—level crime and shoplifting. you can all go out and shoplift, it is fine. to £200 you can nick and no one is going to prosecute you. a different approach culturally across climb and policing and the nhs, what he will campaign on as a genuine radical rethink. we all grew up loving the nhs, being deeply grateful, it was there and a fantastic thing and i have been trying to make these arguments for over a decade that we have to have a rethink and perhaps in 2015 when i led a different party and the general election i was a bit ahead of the curve, perhaps i was saying things people do not want to us in to. i get the sense they are listening now. we are not getting bang for our buck and there is a growing level of disenchantment at the health service simply is not fit for purpose and the way it used to be and the way we wanted to be. let's look at other funding models, how the french do it, let's be radical in our thinking. my my final point on benefits. it is easy for those who work and work damp hard to say lazy scroungers on benefits. a chilly, there are a lot of people on benefits who do not want to be on benefits. they want to go back to work. but the system massively this this because if they work for more than 16 hours a week they start to lose their benefits and they will lose more benefits than they earn, but the system massively descent advises this because not working is not good for people psychologically. we are raising the level at which we start tax to £20,000 a year. that really, really matters. this is something that would make work pay. that would make a massive difference to our societies, a massive difference to nearly every one of our communities. and for those on benefits, who see it as a holiday, quite extraordinary isn't it that you would have an online consultation and be signed off on the sick with depression. i'm not knocking those who genuinely have mental health issues, but i'm saying it is ludicrous that that can happen with the online consultation and we want to make it clear that once people have had two offers of a job, if they don't take those jobs they lose their benefits if they have been declared fit. i think that is something the working people would agree with. that outlines the broad principles of our contracts, as a party we are unashamedly patriotic. as a party we believe that british history is a great thing and should be taught properly and with fairness and with balance, but as a party we are graphical. we are radical in the way we want to change public services. we are radical in the way the education system in this country needs to operate. we are radical in terms of our simplification of the tax system. we are radical on issues such as the electoral system, the house of lords, are right to a referendum. and you can be both. you can be traditional and radical at the same time because we are proud of who we are, but we feel at the moment politics and government is not fit for purpose. you want real, general genuine chain to give us a better and brighter and stronger future. i promise you, this is step one. our real ambition is the 2029 general election. but this is our first big push. i have been back in thisjob for a couple first big push. i have been back in this job for a couple of weeks. i sense that we are doing really rather well. thank you. applause. i was asked to do the easy bit today. i was asked to give you the vision. i am mr nice today. mr nasty is mr tice today who will tell you what taxes will go up and where the savings are going to come from. thank you, nigel. it is great to be here _ thank you, nigel. it is great to be here i_ thank you, nigel. it is great to be here i have — thank you, nigel. it is great to be here. i have rarely been introduced as mr_ here. i have rarely been introduced as mr nasty — here. i have rarely been introduced as mr nasty. so all these bold plans, — as mr nasty. so all these bold plans, and they are exciting and attracting — plans, and they are exciting and attracting huge appeal out on the stump _ attracting huge appeal out on the stump. something is going on out there. _ stump. something is going on out there. it _ stump. something is going on out there. it is — stump. something is going on out there, it is quite remarkable. word is spreading about reform uk and is nigel— is spreading about reform uk and is nigetiust_ is spreading about reform uk and is nigeljust touched on, some of these key policies are really gaining groumt — key policies are really gaining ground. so how do we pay for them? i talked _ ground. so how do we pay for them? i talked about _ ground. so how do we pay for them? i talked about some of it last week, last monday, but here is the thing. lots of— last monday, but here is the thing. lots of people in the media say it is unfunded tax cuts. no, let's get this raii~ _ is unfunded tax cuts. no, let's get this raii~ it— is unfunded tax cuts. no, let's get this raii~ it is— is unfunded tax cuts. no, let's get this rail. it is unfunded spending, that is— this rail. it is unfunded spending, that is what has got us into a right pickia _ that is what has got us into a right pickia 0ur— that is what has got us into a right pickle. 0urfiscal that is what has got us into a right pickle. 0ur fiscal deficit in the last year— pickle. 0ur fiscal deficit in the last year to april, we spent about 120 billion — last year to april, we spent about 120 billion more than we earned. there _ 120 billion more than we earned. there are — 120 billion more than we earned. there are a — 120 billion more than we earned. there are a few key big things here. uhiike _ there are a few key big things here. unlike some of the other people and their plans, — unlike some of the other people and their plans, other parties, they are not their plans, other parties, they are hot honest— their plans, other parties, they are not honest with you about the costs and how _ not honest with you about the costs and how you will pay for it. we are because _ and how you will pay for it. we are because it — and how you will pay for it. we are because it is — and how you will pay for it. we are because it is set out in this contract _ because it is set out in this contract. last week i spoke about this issue — contract. last week i spoke about this issue of the bank of england is paying _ this issue of the bank of england is paying your taxpayer because my cash and att— paying your taxpayer because my cash and all the _ paying your taxpayer because my cash and all the money that was printed. it is and all the money that was printed. it is about— and all the money that was printed. it is about 35 billion a year based on current— it is about 35 billion a year based on current interest rates. it is quite — on current interest rates. it is quite hard _ on current interest rates. it is quite hard to explain, but here is the point — quite hard to explain, but here is the point is, _ quite hard to explain, but here is the point is, it is about £700 per year _ the point is, it is about £700 per year you — the point is, it is about £700 per year. you know you're making progress — year. you know you're making progress when within two hours of finishing _ progress when within two hours of finishing a — progress when within two hours of finishing a press conference last week— finishing a press conference last week i_ finishing a press conference last week i was attacked by none other than the _ week i was attacked by none other than the lobby group for the big banks, — than the lobby group for the big banks, the vested interests, you seem _ banks, the vested interests, you seem to — banks, the vested interests, you seem to think that they have rights, the big _ seem to think that they have rights, the big banks, to make big profits on the _ the big banks, to make big profits on the money that was printed to save _ on the money that was printed to save them — on the money that was printed to save them going bust. really? let me repeat _ save them going bust. really? let me repeat we _ save them going bust. really? let me repeat. we are the real party on the side of— repeat. we are the real party on the side of the _ repeat. we are the real party on the side of the workers, not the labour party. _ side of the workers, not the labour party. what— side of the workers, not the labour party. what i— side of the workers, not the labour party, what i call the cafe latte labour — party, what i call the cafe latte labour party who is on the side of bil labour party who is on the side of big business. that is the first thing — big business. that is the first thing. when they printed all this money— thing. when they printed all this money they didn't tell us that when interest— money they didn't tell us that when interest rates went back up it would cost us _ interest rates went back up it would cost us an— interest rates went back up it would cost us an absolute fortune transferring our money to the big city banks — transferring our money to the big city banks. they didn't tell us that, — city banks. they didn't tell us that, but— city banks. they didn't tell us that, but that is what has happened. unfunded _ that, but that is what has happened. unfunded spending. the second big item of— unfunded spending. the second big item of course is the cost of net zero _ item of course is the cost of net zero so — item of course is the cost of net zero. so when theresa may had a 90 minute _ zero. so when theresa may had a 90 minute debate back in 2019, 90 minutes— minute debate back in 2019, 90 minutes to sign to net zero, put it in legislation, no one said, hang on, in legislation, no one said, hang on. how— in legislation, no one said, hang on, how much is this going to cost, what _ on, how much is this going to cost, what is _ on, how much is this going to cost, what is the — on, how much is this going to cost, what is the spending? even if they have that — what is the spending? even if they have that debate that they wouldn't have that debate that they wouldn't have had _ have that debate that they wouldn't have had a — have that debate that they wouldn't have had a clue. you have people like that— have had a clue. you have people like that climate change committee saying _ like that climate change committee saying it _ like that climate change committee saying it is 1.2 billion. the op are saying _ saying it is 1.2 billion. the op are saying it — saying it is 1.2 billion. the op are saying it is — saying it is 1.2 billion. the op are saying it is 1.4 billion. the national— saying it is 1.4 billion. the national perhaps being a little bit more _ national perhaps being a little bit more honest in saying it is 3 trillion _ more honest in saying it is 3 trillion. sorry, all those numbers were _ trillion. sorry, all those numbers were trillions. is it £100,000 per household? no one talks about the cost to _ household? no one talks about the cost to get — household? no one talks about the cost to get there. apparently it is going _ cost to get there. apparently it is going to — cost to get there. apparently it is going to save the planet therefore the cost _ going to save the planet therefore the cost is — going to save the planet therefore the cost is irrelevant. really? this is real— the cost is irrelevant. really? this is real money, real cash and it is all of— is real money, real cash and it is all of our— is real money, real cash and it is all of our cash. apparently it will be good — all of our cash. apparently it will be good for the environment. i am campaigning to be elected one of the bil campaigning to be elected one of the big debates is the implications, the consequences, which is happening not only for— consequences, which is happening not only for the _ consequences, which is happening not only for the of this drive towards renewable energy, how are we going to trust— renewable energy, how are we going to trust that transmit that electricity? 50 metre pylons going hundreds— electricity? 50 metre pylons going hundreds of miles across the english countryside. how is that good for our environment and who will pay for it? all— our environment and who will pay for it? all of— our environment and who will pay for it? all of those who'd voted for this, _ it? all of those who'd voted for this, they— it? all of those who'd voted for this, they didn't tell us that. how much _ this, they didn't tell us that. how much it— this, they didn't tell us that. how much it will— this, they didn't tell us that. how much it will cost and how much it would _ much it will cost and how much it would blight the english countryside, our environment. how is that good— countryside, our environment. how is that good for— countryside, our environment. how is that good for the environment? we reckon— that good for the environment? we reckon that — that good for the environment? we reckon that if you scrap net zero then _ reckon that if you scrap net zero then the — reckon that if you scrap net zero then the saving to the taxpayer every _ then the saving to the taxpayer every year for the next 25 years would _ every year for the next 25 years would be — every year for the next 25 years would be in the order of £30 billion per year _ would be in the order of £30 billion per year. what is that? that is about — per year. what is that? that is about £600 per adult. 600 quid per adult _ about £600 per adult. 600 quid per adult so— about £600 per adult. 600 quid per adult. so 1200 about £600 per adult. 600 quid per adult. 501200 quid for a two—person household _ adult. 501200 quid for a two—person household every year. after tax. this is _ household every year. after tax. this is real — household every year. after tax. this is real money, your money and they didn't — this is real money, your money and they didn't tell you. they deliberately misled the british people — deliberately misled the british people about the cost implications of net _ people about the cost implications of net zero. all you are doing, you're — of net zero. all you are doing, you're not— of net zero. all you are doing, you're not reducing global c02, you're — you're not reducing global c02, you're just _ you're not reducing global c02, you're just shipping it somewhere else and — you're just shipping it somewhere else and we are the mugs who are paying _ else and we are the mugs who are paying for— else and we are the mugs who are paying for its. we are the only party — paying for its. we are the only party that _ paying for its. we are the only party that has the courage to say this is— party that has the courage to say this is unfunded spending, it is costing — this is unfunded spending, it is costing us— this is unfunded spending, it is costing us a fortune, it will not save _ costing us a fortune, it will not save the — costing us a fortune, it will not save the planet and it has to stop. 30 billion— save the planet and it has to stop. 30 billion a — save the planet and it has to stop. 30 billion a year. the third big item, — 30 billion a year. the third big item, and _ 30 billion a year. the third big item, and again some of the press will attack— item, and again some of the press will attack us, one of the mainstream broadcast news this morning — mainstream broadcast news this morning try to do an analysis of some _ morning try to do an analysis of some of— morning try to do an analysis of some of these costs. the thing was, though. _ some of these costs. the thing was, though, because they didn't want to actually— though, because they didn't want to actually tell us the truth about these — actually tell us the truth about these numbers, theyjust talked about— these numbers, theyjust talked about it — these numbers, theyjust talked about it in — these numbers, theyjust talked about it in generalities. and we all know— about it in generalities. and we all know taxes— about it in generalities. and we all know taxes have gone up to record levels _ know taxes have gone up to record levels and — know taxes have gone up to record levels and yet the quality of the outcome — levels and yet the quality of the outcome of public services has declined — outcome of public services has declined. that could only mean that we are _ declined. that could only mean that we are spending money badly. if taxes _ we are spending money badly. if taxes had — we are spending money badly. if taxes had gone up and the quality of public— taxes had gone up and the quality of public services had improved no end and waiting — public services had improved no end and waiting lists had dropped to zero. _ and waiting lists had dropped to zero. you — and waiting lists had dropped to zero, you might save money is being spent _ zero, you might save money is being spent well~ _ zero, you might save money is being spent well. when i talk about wasting — spent well. when i talk about wasting public services, wasting public— wasting public services, wasting public spending, particularly in things— public spending, particularly in things like the nhs, i get contacted within— things like the nhs, i get contacted within a _ things like the nhs, i get contacted within a couple of days by nurses, i surgeons. — within a couple of days by nurses, i surgeons, doctors, they say thank heavens _ surgeons, doctors, they say thank heavens that someone is telling it as it is _ heavens that someone is telling it as it is the — heavens that someone is telling it as it is. the waste is extraordinary. i have a very simple slogan~ _ extraordinary. i have a very simple slogan~ it— extraordinary. i have a very simple slogan~ it is— extraordinary. i have a very simple slogan. it is what we do in business _ slogan. it is what we do in business. we come from the world of business _ business. we come from the world of business. we come from the world of business. we are fixers, sorters, doers, _ business. we are fixers, sorters, doers, we — business. we are fixers, sorters, doers, we make things happen. you have to _ doers, we make things happen. you have to cut— doers, we make things happen. you have to cut out the waste from the back office — have to cut out the waste from the back office and invested in the front— back office and invested in the front office. that is how you grow a business. _ front office. that is how you grow a business, that is how you improve the surplus— business, that is how you improve the surplus that you make, the quality — the surplus that you make, the quality of — the surplus that you make, the quality of your products is improved. that is what we have to do with the _ improved. that is what we have to do with the public sector. instead, since _ with the public sector. instead, since 2019 there are an extra 600,000 people working in the public sector— 600,000 people working in the public sector productivity has gone down. we have _ sector productivity has gone down. we have to — sector productivity has gone down. we have to be honest with people. in the same _ we have to be honest with people. in the same way that all of us struggling with their bills at home say i struggling with their bills at home say i have — struggling with their bills at home say i have to try and save five quid and a _ say i have to try and save five quid and a hundred, but you still have to pay the _ and a hundred, but you still have to pay the bills, the rent, the mortgage, the foods. you have to buy more _ mortgage, the foods. you have to buy more wisely — mortgage, the foods. you have to buy more wisely. that is what we do in business — more wisely. that is what we do in business. nigeltalked more wisely. that is what we do in business. nigel talked about small businesses. we are all looking at our bills — businesses. we are all looking at our bills in— businesses. we are all looking at our bills. in business you set your spending — our bills. in business you set your spending managers, we have to cut the cost, _ spending managers, we have to cut the cost, but we still have to provide — the cost, but we still have to provide the product. so you have to save five _ provide the product. so you have to save five quid in a hundred and, bluntly. — save five quid in a hundred and, bluntly, that is yourjob, and if you don't. _ bluntly, that is yourjob, and if you don't, you're fired. i know it is tough — you don't, you're fired. i know it is tough but _ you don't, you're fired. i know it is tough but these are tough times and when — is tough but these are tough times and when the going gets tough, guess what, _ and when the going gets tough, guess what. the _ and when the going gets tough, guess what, the tough get going. that is the reality — what, the tough get going. that is the reality. that is what has to happen — the reality. that is what has to happen in _ the reality. that is what has to happen in the public sector. in the introduced — happen in the public sector. in the introduced the equalities act in 2010 _ introduced the equalities act in 2010 and — introduced the equalities act in 2010 and is well meaning things like diversity, _ 2010 and is well meaning things like diversity, inclusion and equality, they never— diversity, inclusion and equality, they never told us about the cost of it. they never told us about the cost of it they— they never told us about the cost of it. they didn't say it was going to cost hundreds of millions every year and productivity is going to go down — and productivity is going to go down as— and productivity is going to go down. as you move towards mediocrity. i simply don't expect the nonsense that is talked by those in the _ the nonsense that is talked by those in the treasury and in the main two parties _ in the treasury and in the main two parties who— in the treasury and in the main two parties who say you can't save any money— parties who say you can't save any money in — parties who say you can't save any money in the public sector. it is utter— money in the public sector. it is utter nonsense. we know it is nonsense _ utter nonsense. we know it is nonsense because of those extra 600.000 — nonsense because of those extra 600,000 people. we know it is nonsense — 600,000 people. we know it is nonsense because of the size of the cake in— nonsense because of the size of the cake in the — nonsense because of the size of the cake in the nhs is up about 11%, yet waiting— cake in the nhs is up about 11%, yet waiting lists have gone down. we can save money— waiting lists have gone down. we can save money on the back office and invested _ save money on the back office and invested in— save money on the back office and invested in the front office. if you say five _ invested in the front office. if you say five quid in a hundred in wasteful— say five quid in a hundred in wasteful public sector spending, the guangos, _ wasteful public sector spending, the quangos, the commissions, the local authorities. — quangos, the commissions, the local authorities, the government departments, it soon adds up. it is 50 billion _ departments, it soon adds up. it is 50 billion quid must plus or minus. per adult— 50 billion quid must plus or minus. per adult it — 50 billion quid must plus or minus. per adult it is about £1000 per head — per adult it is about £1000 per head this— per adult it is about £1000 per head. this is cash with which we can transform _ head. this is cash with which we can transform the way we run our economy _ transform the way we run our economy. the tax cuts that we can make _ economy. the tax cuts that we can make work— economy. the tax cuts that we can make work pay, we can make businesses grow. we can encourage risk-taking — businesses grow. we can encourage risk—taking. let's rememberthe risk—taking. let's remember the biggest — risk—taking. let's rememberthe biggest risk in life is never taking one _ biggest risk in life is never taking one that— biggest risk in life is never taking one that is— biggest risk in life is never taking one. that is what small business folk do — one. that is what small business folk do. those are the big savings. 0n folk do. those are the big savings. on top _ folk do. those are the big savings. on top of— folk do. those are the big savings. on top of that if we get a million people _ on top of that if we get a million people off benefits back into work there _ people off benefits back into work there are — people off benefits back into work there are billions of savings. hsz, there are billions of savings. hsz, the prime — there are billions of savings. hsz, the prime minister scrapped the top end. the prime minister scrapped the top end if— the prime minister scrapped the top end if you — the prime minister scrapped the top end. if you are going to do a job, do it— end. if you are going to do a job, do it properly. just scrap the rest of it _ do it properly. just scrap the rest of it. billions more there. foreign aid. of it. billions more there. foreign aid~ we _ of it. billions more there. foreign aid. we know there are huge amounts of aid _ aid. we know there are huge amounts of aid and _ aid. we know there are huge amounts of aid and foreign aid and we could reduce _ of aid and foreign aid and we could reduce the — of aid and foreign aid and we could reduce the amount we spend on foreign — reduce the amount we spend on foreign aid, saving 6 billion or so every— foreign aid, saving 6 billion or so every year — foreign aid, saving 6 billion or so every year. these are huge savings. this is— every year. these are huge savings. this is a _ every year. these are huge savings. this is a completely different way of running — this is a completely different way of running our economy. i believe it is achievable. we know it is achievable, that is why we put this forward _ achievable, that is why we put this forward. we know the current status quo, forward. we know the current status duo. the _ forward. we know the current status quo, the main two parties tinkering at the _ quo, the main two parties tinkering at the edges, there is no growth, you can _ at the edges, there is no growth, you can tax — at the edges, there is no growth, you can tax your way out of this crisis _ you can tax your way out of this crisis you — you can tax your way out of this crisis you need to go your way out of it _ crisis you need to go your way out of it this— crisis you need to go your way out of it this is— crisis you need to go your way out of it. this is how you pay for it. you've — of it. this is how you pay for it. you've got— of it. this is how you pay for it. you've got to stop paying the interest — you've got to stop paying the interest on the printed money, we have _ interest on the printed money, we have to _ interest on the printed money, we have to scrap net zero and cut out the waste — have to scrap net zero and cut out the waste in — have to scrap net zero and cut out the waste in the back office of the public— the waste in the back office of the public sector and invested in the front— public sector and invested in the front line — public sector and invested in the front line. if we do these things then— front line. if we do these things then we — front line. if we do these things then we can make this country grew again. _ then we can make this country grew again. we _ then we can make this country grew again, we can afford to invest where we need _ again, we can afford to invest where we need to— again, we can afford to invest where we need to invest, and growth, in tax cuts, — we need to invest, and growth, in tax cuts, in — we need to invest, and growth, in tax cuts, in defence and all the other— tax cuts, in defence and all the other things in this great contract. i other things in this great contract. i commend — other things in this great contract. i commend this to you, reform uk commend — i commend this to you, reform uk commend this to you. it can be done. no one _ commend this to you. it can be done. no one is— commend this to you. it can be done. no one is saying it is easy. the tutors— no one is saying it is easy. the tutors life _ no one is saying it is easy. the tutors life isn't easy, but if you are not— tutors life isn't easy, but if you are not prepared to get tough with wasteful— are not prepared to get tough with wasteful spending then we are heading — wasteful spending then we are heading towards a very bad place. that is— heading towards a very bad place. that is what reform uk is about and that is— that is what reform uk is about and that is why— that is what reform uk is about and that is why we are going up in the polls _ that is why we are going up in the polls word — that is why we are going up in the polls. word is spreading. people love common—sense policies and a common—sense approach to what we do. i common—sense approach to what we do. i commend _ common—sense approach to what we do. i commend this contract to you. thank— i commend this contract to you. thank you — i commend this contract to you. thank you very much. you have had a nice bit, the challenging bets, the next plan is we will— challenging bets, the next plan is we will take some questions from the press _ we will take some questions from the press a _ we will take some questions from the press. a contract is not valid unless— press. a contract is not valid unless you _ press. a contract is not valid unless you sign it, so we will be signing — unless you sign it, so we will be signing the _ unless you sign it, so we will be signing the contract in due course. nigel. _ signing the contract in due course. nigel. lets — signing the contract in due course. nigel, lets do some questions. he is first? _ alex forsyth, bbc news. you have 24 pages here. he talked about the costings in the standings. a freeze on immigration, nhs waiting list down to zero, more police officers. you accuse other parties are broken promises, but isn't this really a list of unrealistic promises, i wish list of unrealistic promises, i wish list rather than a serious plan. aren't you doing what you accuse other parties to do? this aren't you doing what you accuse other parties to do?— other parties to do? this is a promise. _ other parties to do? this is a promise, this _ other parties to do? this is a promise, this is _ other parties to do? this is a promise, this is what - other parties to do? this is a promise, this is what we - other parties to do? this is a promise, this is what we willj promise, this is what we will campaign over the next five years. this is what we will campaign for. i sat at the very start, we will not be in government this time around. but we are going to provide a voice of opposition and this outlines where we are going to challenge labour. 0n where we are going to challenge labour. on many of the things that we are discussing in this document, labour don't want to talk about these issues. we have laid out very clearly where we stand philosophically, adding electrically on a number of things. so, no, isee no inconsistency with that whatsoever. very different, isn't it, you will reduce net migration to tens of thousands a year in consecutive manifestos and then not even trying to achieve it. chris hope, gb news. you are here to target _ chris hope, gb news. you are here to target labour— chris hope, gb news. you are here to target labour in merthyr tydfil. why are your _ target labour in merthyr tydfil. why are your policies targeted at tory voters _ are your policies targeted at tory voters to — are your policies targeted at tory voters. to richard tice, you're putting — voters. to richard tice, you're putting up— voters. to richard tice, you're putting up tax more than labour? you talk about putting up tax more than labour? ym. talk about reform members, a very large number of them were members of the labour party. from 2010 on tonight, lee anderson perhaps being a good example of that. what we are talking about here in terms of giving those at the low end of the income scale, or those trapped on benefits, we are trying to find some answers, solutions, thence we can complain for to try to make lives the best they can be for those at the best they can be for those at the bottom of the spectrum. whether you regard that as being a labourer or tory policy, i don't know. we take the view it is the correct policy. what is interesting is immigration, that subject is always considered to be a right of centre debate. increasingly, it is something that parties on the left of politics are talking about as well. i don't think it is sensible to pigeonhole much of what is in there to be labour or conservative. but i think there is a lot of common sense. i think these things will garner a lot of public support. smart tax cuts that create growth pay for themselves over and over and over. if you get higher growth then, guess what? you get higher tax revenues. the compounding effects of that over five, ten, revenues. the compounding effects of that overfive, ten, 15 revenues. the compounding effects of that over five, ten, 15 years revenues. the compounding effects of that overfive, ten, 15 years is massive and there is not enough discussion in this country about the benefits of growth. there is no id in the main two parties about that. if you grow the economy by an extra 1% or 1.5% the extra tax revenues would be about ten billions. we have to talk about growth and the benefits. ,,., ., , to talk about growth and the benefits. ., , , benefits. sam coutts, sky news. niel benefits. sam coutts, sky news. nigel farage. — benefits. sam coutts, sky news. nigel farage. in _ benefits. sam coutts, sky news. nigel farage, in your— benefits. sam coutts, sky news. nigel farage, in your contract . benefits. sam coutts, sky news. | nigel farage, in your contract you are proposing to spend an extra £141 billion— are proposing to spend an extra £141 billion every year. that is about 30 times— billion every year. that is about 30 times the — billion every year. that is about 30 times the amount that labour are going _ times the amount that labour are going to _ times the amount that labour are going to spend, ten times the amount the tories. _ going to spend, ten times the amount the tories, three times the amount that li2— the tories, three times the amount that liz truss managed to spend. the scale _ that liz truss managed to spend. the scale of— that liz truss managed to spend. the scale of this. — that liz truss managed to spend. the scale of this, it is deeply unserious, isn't it? that's right, it's radical. _ unserious, isn't it? that's right, it's radical, it's _ unserious, isn't it? that's right, it's radical, it's fresh _ unserious, isn't it? that's right, it's radical, it's fresh thinking, l it's radical, it's fresh thinking, outside the box. it is not what you will get from the current labour or conservative parties, which are pretty much interest can —— in this —— indistinguishable from each other. as a radical change? yes. britain is broken. it needs reform. that is what we are here for, what we are trying to do. as richard has suggested, there are radical changes to pay for it. we are unashamedly radical. we want change. this isn't working. it is basically more of the same. it is going to be a labour government, we know that. i said that two weeks ago when richard passed me the ball or the hand grenades or whatever it was! i said that two weeks ago. labour are going to win. this is about who the opposition is going to be. there is no rowing back, no apology is firmly on this whatsoever. this would represent a fundamental transformational change within the british economy. to transformational change within the british economy.— british economy. to be clear for those watching _ british economy. to be clear for those watching on _ british economy. to be clear for those watching on the _ british economy. to be clear for those watching on the live - british economy. to be clear for. those watching on the live stream, yes there are a series of spendings, but will also outline all of the savings i havejust touched on there. it is important to look at both sides of the coin. people are getting poorer and unless we change because we are heading towards disaster, that is the point. who is next? ! disaster, that is the point. who is next? . . disaster, that is the point. who is next? ., ., , ., disaster, that is the point. who is next? ., ., ., ~ next? i have a question for mr fara'. next? i have a question for mr faraj- one _ next? i have a question for mr faraj- one of— next? i have a question for mr faraj. one of the _ next? i have a question for mr faraj. one of the main - next? i have a question for mr. faraj. one of the main criticisms next? i have a question for mr- faraj. one of the main criticisms of view— faraj. one of the main criticisms of view is _ faraj. one of the main criticisms of view is that— faraj. one of the main criticisms of view is that it is all well and good being _ view is that it is all well and good being a _ view is that it is all well and good being a protest voice because it is not that— being a protest voice because it is not that hard. leading the opposition is a much more complex thing _ opposition is a much more complex thing rishi — opposition is a much more complex thing. rishi sunak and keir starmer both have _ thing. rishi sunak and keir starmer both have experience running enormous complex organisations that require _ enormous complex organisations that require some of that compromise and negotiation _ require some of that compromise and negotiation. what would you say to people _ negotiation. what would you say to people who might like you and did you talk— people who might like you and did you talk a — people who might like you and did you talk a lot of sense, but don't think— you talk a lot of sense, but don't think you — you talk a lot of sense, but don't think you have the management reguired — think you have the management required to be in opposition rather thanjust_ required to be in opposition rather thanjust a — required to be in opposition rather thanjust a protester? we required to be in opposition rather than just a protester?— than 'ust a protester? we all have our than just a protester? we all have our personalities. _ than just a protester? we all have our personalities. yes, _ than just a protester? we all have our personalities. yes, i'm - than just a protester? we all have our personalities. yes, i'm fairly l our personalities. yes, i'm fairly decisive. i have an opinion, but it doesn't mean i don't respect others or work as part of a team. many people i work with any politics i have worked for many years. i understand the point about compromise. equally, you have to have a vision. you have to have a go. this time of 30 years ago i was campaigning in the eastleigh by—election in hampshire. i didn't know because i wanted a career, far from it. in the end i gave up a good career because i wanted to pursue goals, things that i believed in. i came out of retirement to do this for a similar reason, albeit it is not as some would say at a narrower point of self—government outside the european union this is about the way and with the country is run, the way it is managed, so yes i can compromise if i need to. i also think i have had some long—term use of politics and society that have been right so i am very confident in what i say and what i believe in. to give leadership i think you need to have that. you are here today in one of walesdeprived areas. are you giving people _ walesdeprived areas. are you giving people here hope orjust things to hate in _ people here hope orjust things to hate in terms of immigration and so on. . . hate in terms of immigration and so on. , , ., hate in terms of immigration and so on, , , ., ., hate in terms of immigration and so on. ,, .,, hate in terms of immigration and so on. ,, ., , ., on. this is not a protest vote. i remember _ on. this is not a protest vote. i remember in — on. this is not a protest vote. i remember in 2,000 _ on. this is not a protest vote. i remember in 2,000 and - on. this is not a protest vote. i remember in 2,000 and 12, . on. this is not a protest vote. i j remember in 2,000 and 12, 13. on. this is not a protest vote. i - remember in 2,000 and 12, 13. people think that was a shock result for ukip. the protest vote is growing. it was always a protest vote like people are now suggesting that this is a protest vote. when you pull the people who voted for parties that are led back then or now, when you pull them and asked them if it is a protest vote, they say no, we believe in what they are saying, we think they have positive policy solutions for the future. yes, of course we are in an area that has done relatively badly compared to many others and we genuinely believe the biggest beneficiaries of the ideas we are outlining here will be people, and i repeat the point, trapped on benefits who don't want to be there or are on low incomes or with energy bills that they are struggling to pay. there is a lot more here, far more here for those at the lowest end of the income scale canter is for anybody else. thank you. sky news. you say you want _ thank you. sky news. you say you want to _ thank you. sky news. you say you want to find — thank you. sky news. you say you want to find £50 billion of public sector— want to find £50 billion of public sector waste every year. that is an enormous — sector waste every year. that is an enormous figure. where exactly do you plan— enormous figure. where exactly do you plan to — enormous figure. where exactly do you plan to find those savings or is thisjust _ you plan to find those savings or is thisjust go — you plan to find those savings or is thisjust go to you plan to find those savings or is this just go to catch to public services? _ thisjust go to catch to public services?— thisjust go to catch to public services? , , . , . ., services? cuts to public sector. frankl , services? cuts to public sector. frankly. they — services? cuts to public sector. frankly, they are _ services? cuts to public sector. frankly, they are never - services? cuts to public sector. frankly, they are never in - services? cuts to public sector. frankly, they are never in the l frankly, they are never in the office anyway. pop into white on a couple of days a week. richard has made the point at length eloquently earlier. if you're running a company and things are tight, you say to your manager is middle managers, right, i'm sorry, this is the way it is, you have to cut £5 and a hundred. in tough times it might be £10 and a hundred or £20 and a hundred. you have to find a of doing that without affecting the product that without affecting the product that we are selling to the public. the sheer bloating of the quangos, the bloating of the civil service thatis the bloating of the civil service that is taking place even sense, let alone since 2016, since 2019 is just astonishing. that is what we have had with the conservative government, big government, restriction of individual choices, high taxation, record immigration and we will get with labour is more of the same. so, yes, some of these things were proposing are tough, but the accumulated national debt is now 2.7 trillion. it was just under 1 trillion the tories came to power. we simply cannot go on like this. we are skint. who else would dare say this in this campaign? we are skint. we are in real trouble. and the nuances of economic argument we hear from rachel reeves and jeremy hunt never acknowledges the fact that both of them are expected to be in deficit next year by another hundred billion pounds. we are saying let's face reality, we will have to have a stint on public sector and we will do that whilst maintaining services. itv news. you are proposing in this contract _ itv news. you are proposing in this contract tax — itv news. you are proposing in this contract tax cuts, £88 billion worth. — contract tax cuts, £88 billion worth. on— contract tax cuts, £88 billion worth, on a scale that might even cause _ worth, on a scale that might even cause li2— worth, on a scale that might even cause liz truss to raise her eyebrows _ cause liz truss to raise her eyebrows. the savings that you say will pay _ eyebrows. the savings that you say will pay for — eyebrows. the savings that you say will pay for these are questionable. isn't will pay for these are questionable. isn't this _ will pay for these are questionable. isn't this the kind of economic policy— isn't this the kind of economic policy that will cause financial markets — policy that will cause financial markets to freak outs? no, policy that will cause financial markets to freak outs? no, and to com are markets to freak outs? no, and to compare to _ markets to freak outs? no, and to compare to liz _ markets to freak outs? no, and to compare to liz truss _ markets to freak outs? no, and to compare to liz truss is _ markets to freak outs? no, and to compare to liz truss is wrong. - markets to freak outs? no, and to compare to liz truss is wrong. liz | compare to liz truss is wrong. liz truss wanted to talk about growth, but nowhere in your proposal could we see caps on the one hand to compensate for the giveaways on tax. that was the fundamental mistake made in the budget. i'm sure you can question our numbers, but actually i think a particular word richard has brilliantly illustrated with the interesting pay to the banks, the banks not being my favourite set of organisations, and this is something thatis organisations, and this is something that is now picking up more and more economic approval, former deputy governors at the bank of england and other several judges governors at the bank of england and other severaljudges on the right track with this. in terms of financial markets, the french bond market is very interesting this morning if you look at it. an idea that says we want to regenerate the british economy, an idea that says we want to bring back manufacturing, that we have to accept the fact we will be using oil and gas until 2050, so why not produce our own in this country, all of these things would be quite bullish for financial markets, even if there was initially a bit of a political shock. this is our first this is ourfirst big election but we are well on our way if you believe the polls, etc, to the weekend, we are well on our way to establishing, you know, that bridgehead in the house of commons and those mps that we do
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