start to develop down through eastern scotland, eastern england, fewer showers out to the west, here is where we are likely to see the best of the sunshine, just like today. top temperatures around 17, which is still below par for this point injune. as we move into wednesday, the driest day of the week, and we are killing off the showers with a ridge of high pressure building from the west. temperatures again peaking at around 13-17 but temperatures again peaking at around 13—17 but a temperatures again peaking at around 13-17 but a bit temperatures again peaking at around 13—17 but a bit like the football results, look away now if you don't want to see what is coming thursday, it turns increasingly wet once again and yes, we close out the week with more showers and longer spells of rain i'm afraid. you will have to do better than that, louise! and that's bbc news at ten. newsnight is just getting under way on bbc two with kirsty wark. on bbc one, it's time tojoin our colleagues is there any big surprise in tomorrow's tory party manifesto that could take the heat off rishi sunak, after what many see as the biggest blunder in recent political history? good evening and welcome to newsnight — the week—night cocktail of effervescent election interviews and insight. no sooner had rishi called an election despite a series of disastrous opinion polls, than emmanual macron follows suit after populists seize the day in the eu—wide vote. something is in the air. on the sofa, two mps who are throwing in the towel — the tories' paul scully, and the greens' caroline lucas, and christian calgie, senior political correspondent of the daily express. we begin with nick, though, who has been waving his divining rod over tomorrow's tory manifesto. is there a big zinger coming? this is the last big set piece events before the general election that rishi sunak can control, there are more set piece events, the television debates but he does have complete command over that and this matters because every seat piece event to be bad from rishi sunak in the last few months has not shifted the last few months has not shifted the dial, so we had two successive cuts of national insurance in two successive fiscal events, did not shift the dial, his party conference speech, i'm the change candidate after 13 years of failure, and we know that did not work because he brought back david cameron who was responsible for 20% of those 13 years of failure, so he will pledge tax cuts tomorrow, he will say that he is the heir to margaret thatcher and nigel lawson and just to get an idea of that let's see this exchange earlier this evening between the prime minister and nick robinson. endless promises of more and more money from the conservatives. have you found the magic money tree? no, every single one of those promises i that you've just been through, i is fully funded and costed, as is explained in every single one - of those press releases, as indeed, when we set out our manifesto - tomorrow, people will be able to see all the details behind it even further. - and tomorrow you'll promise more tax cuts? we will have a manifesto tomorrow that builds on i all the things that . you've gone through, announced in this campaign, but yes, it does _ continue to cut people's taxes, because i believe in a country where people's hard work is rewarded. - in the last few minutes what we have heard is what the prime minister will announce tomorrow is that he is going to bring back, to revive, the help to buy scheme to help first—time buyers, and he's going to say that he is going to make it better. if you managed to raise a 5% deposit for your property, and the prime minister in that interview says how difficult it is to raise that deposit, if you can get a 5% deposit the government will help you take that to 25%, say what you will get is a government loan they say on favourable terms, that will be 15% of the value, then the developers, then this is the new bit, will do a 5% favourable loan, and we will also see the third successive 2p cut in employing national insurance rate that will allow the government to say that we have halved it in the last year. we will also see that there will be no stamp duty for first—time buyers buying a property up first—time buyers buying a property up to the value of £105,000. that is the current position in england. that is due to go next year, and they will keep that if they win the election. but d—day still there, the prime minister apologised for missing the international event and today he went further and said that he hopes that veterans will find it in their hearts to forgive him, which shows that he knows that it is still an issue.— still an issue. christian calgie, what is your — still an issue. christian calgie, what is your telephone - still an issue. christian calgie, what is your telephone telling | still an issue. christian calgie, - what is your telephone telling you about tomorrow? hick what is your telephone telling you about tomorrow?— what is your telephone telling you about tomorrow? nick has outlined one of the key _ about tomorrow? nick has outlined one of the key offers, _ about tomorrow? nick has outlined one of the key offers, which - about tomorrow? nick has outlined one of the key offers, which is - one of the key offers, which is clearly — one of the key offers, which is clearly aimed _ one of the key offers, which is clearly aimed at _ one of the key offers, which is clearly aimed at trying - one of the key offers, which is clearly aimed at trying to - one of the key offers, which is - clearly aimed at trying to rebalance some _ clearly aimed at trying to rebalance some of— clearly aimed at trying to rebalance some of the — clearly aimed at trying to rebalance some of the narrative _ clearly aimed at trying to rebalance some of the narrative from - clearly aimed at trying to rebalance| some of the narrative from what we heard _ some of the narrative from what we heard at _ some of the narrative from what we heard at the — some of the narrative from what we heard at the start _ some of the narrative from what we heard at the start of the _ some of the narrative from what we heard at the start of the campaign i heard at the start of the campaign which _ heard at the start of the campaign which will— heard at the start of the campaign which will remember— heard at the start of the campaign which will remember with - heard at the start of the campaign which will remember with the - which will remember with the national_ which will remember with the national service _ which will remember with the national service policy- which will remember with the national service policy and i which will remember with thel national service policy and the quadruple _ national service policy and the quadruple lock, _ national service policy and the quadruple lock, felt— national service policy and the quadruple lock, felt like - national service policy and the quadruple lock, felt like the i national service policy and the - quadruple lock, felt like the tories were trying — quadruple lock, felt like the tories were trying to _ quadruple lock, felt like the tories were trying to recognise _ quadruple lock, felt like the tories were trying to recognise older- were trying to recognise older voters — were trying to recognise older voters against _ were trying to recognise older voters against younger- were trying to recognise older voters against younger voters | were trying to recognise older- voters against younger voters and i think— voters against younger voters and i think what— voters against younger voters and i think what we — voters against younger voters and i think what we will— voters against younger voters and i think what we will get _ voters against younger voters and i think what we will get tomorrow. voters against younger voters and i think what we will get tomorrow is| voters against younger voters and i l think what we will get tomorrow is a focus _ think what we will get tomorrow is a focus on _ think what we will get tomorrow is a focus on a _ think what we will get tomorrow is a focus on a workers' _ think what we will get tomorrow is a focus on a workers' tax _ think what we will get tomorrow is a focus on a workers' tax cut, - think what we will get tomorrow is a focus on a workers' tax cut, and - think what we will get tomorrow is a focus on a workers' tax cut, and an. focus on a workers' tax cut, and an offer— focus on a workers' tax cut, and an offer to— focus on a workers' tax cut, and an offer to young _ focus on a workers' tax cut, and an offer to young people _ focus on a workers' tax cut, and an offer to young people who - focus on a workers' tax cut, and an offer to young people who want. focus on a workers' tax cut, and an offer to young people who want to| offer to young people who want to buy the _ offer to young people who want to buy the rundown, _ offer to young people who want to buy the rundown, trying _ offer to young people who want to buy the rundown, trying to - offer to young people who want to| buy the rundown, trying to redress the balance — buy the rundown, trying to redress the balance. do _ buy the rundown, trying to redress the balance. do i _ buy the rundown, trying to redress the balance. do i think— buy the rundown, trying to redress the balance. do i think it _ the balance. do i think it will work? — the balance. do i think it will work? no, _ the balance. do i think it will work? no, i_ the balance. do i think it will work? no, i don't, _ the balance. do i think it will work? no, idon't, but- the balance. do i think it will work? no, i don't, but the l the balance. do i think it will- work? no, i don't, but the crucial thing _ work? no, i don't, but the crucial thing is _ work? no, idon't, but the crucial thing is that— work? no, i don't, but the crucial thing is that things _ work? no, i don't, but the crucial thing is that things could - work? no, i don't, but the crucial thing is that things could be - work? no, i don't, but the crucial thing is that things could be fatal| thing is that things could be fatal for the _ thing is that things could be fatal for the conservatives— thing is that things could be fatal for the conservatives unless - thing is that things could be fatal for the conservatives unless they win back — for the conservatives unless they win back more _ for the conservatives unless they win back more younger— for the conservatives unless they win back more younger voters. . for the conservatives unless they- win back more younger voters. young people _ win back more younger voters. young people are, _ win back more younger voters. young people are. you — win back more younger voters. young people are, you know, _ win back more younger voters. young people are, you know, the _ win back more younger voters. young people are, you know, the voters - win back more younger voters. young people are, you know, the voters of i people are, you know, the voters of tomorrow. — people are, you know, the voters of tomorrow. and _ people are, you know, the voters of tomorrow, and at _ people are, you know, the voters of tomorrow, and at the _ people are, you know, the voters of tomorrow, and at the moment - people are, you know, the voters of tomorrow, and at the moment the i tomorrow, and at the moment the tories _ tomorrow, and at the moment the tories are — tomorrow, and at the moment the tories are pulling _ tomorrow, and at the moment the tories are pulling fifth, _ tomorrow, and at the moment the tories are pulling fifth, with - tomorrow, and at the moment thej tories are pulling fifth, with young people. _ tories are pulling fifth, with young people. and — tories are pulling fifth, with young people. and that _ tories are pulling fifth, with young people, and that is _ tories are pulling fifth, with young people, and that is absolutely - people, and that is absolutely crucial. — people, and that is absolutely crucial. you _ people, and that is absolutely crucial, you cannot _ people, and that is absolutely crucial, you cannot have - people, and that is absolutely crucial, you cannot have the l crucial, you cannot have the outgoing _ crucial, you cannot have the outgoing legacy— crucial, you cannot have the outgoing legacy of - crucial, you cannot have the outgoing legacy of the - crucial, you cannot have the outgoing legacy of the party crucial, you cannot have the . outgoing legacy of the party at crucial, you cannot have the - outgoing legacy of the party at the selection. — outgoing legacy of the party at the selection. if— outgoing legacy of the party at the selection, if that _ outgoing legacy of the party at the selection, if that is _ outgoing legacy of the party at the selection, if that is the _ outgoing legacy of the party at the selection, if that is the way- outgoing legacy of the party at the selection, if that is the way the - selection, if that is the way the opinion— selection, if that is the way the opinion polls _ selection, if that is the way the opinion polls are _ selection, if that is the way the opinion polls are doing, - selection, if that is the way the opinion polls are doing, being. opinion polls are doing, being anti-old — opinion polls are doing, being anti—old people, _ opinion polls are doing, being anti—old people, so— opinion polls are doing, being anti—old people, so part- opinion polls are doing, being anti—old people, so part of. opinion polls are doing, being anti—old people, so part of iti opinion polls are doing, being. anti—old people, so part of it is surely— anti—old people, so part of it is surely things— anti—old people, so part of it is surely things up _ anti—old people, so part of it is surely things up for— anti—old people, so part of it is surely things up for tomorrow. | anti—old people, so part of it is - surely things up for tomorrow. paul scull , surely things up for tomorrow. paul scully, talking _ surely things up for tomorrow. scully, talking about the surely things up for tomorrow. mill scully, talking about the mess surely things up for tomorrow. scully, talking about the mess of the campaign, what is your whatsapp telling you? the the campaign, what is your whatsapp tellin: ou? . . x ,, , the campaign, what is your whatsapp tellin: ou? . . , ~ , telling you? the whatsapp is likely re telling you? the whatsapp is likely pretty disciplined. _ telling you? the whatsapp is likely pretty disciplined, people - telling you? the whatsapp is likely pretty disciplined, people are - pretty disciplined, people are showing — pretty disciplined, people are showing them selves campaigning on the patch, _ showing them selves campaigning on the patch, because people realise that they— the patch, because people realise that they are hunkering down in their— that they are hunkering down in their own — that they are hunkering down in their own constituencies thinking, we have _ their own constituencies thinking, we have got a job to do, i frankly wish _ we have got a job to do, i frankly wish we — we have got a job to do, i frankly wish we had done that about a year or so— wish we had done that about a year or so ago. — wish we had done that about a year or so ago, everyone staying in their lane rather— or so ago, everyone staying in their lane rather than chipping in on everyone — lane rather than chipping in on everyone else's work, but what is good _ everyone else's work, but what is good about — everyone else's work, but what is good about these suggestions of tomorrow is that we are starting to -et tomorrow is that we are starting to get out _ tomorrow is that we are starting to get out of— tomorrow is that we are starting to get out of core vote messaging, because — get out of core vote messaging, because frankly, only run a core vote _ because frankly, only run a core vote campaign don't be surprised if you only— vote campaign don't be surprised if you only get your core vote and that is it. _ you only get your core vote and that is it. so— you only get your core vote and that is it, so starting to talk to young people _ is it, so starting to talk to young people is— is it, so starting to talk to young people is really important, for that aspiration. — people is really important, for that aspiration, and that vision.- aspiration, and that vision. talking about the notion of _ aspiration, and that vision. talking about the notion of staying - aspiration, and that vision. talking about the notion of staying in - aspiration, and that vision. talking about the notion of staying in your| about the notion of staying in your lane, to believe some colleagues had been getting out of their lane? for the last few years it has been a very— the last few years it has been a very difficult party to manage. but we now _ very difficult party to manage. but we now need for the last few weeks are real. _ we now need for the last few weeks are real, clear focus on what matters. _ are real, clear focus on what matters, the people that are actually _ matters, the people that are actually there.— matters, the people that are actuall there. ., ., actually there. what you are saying, christian, is — actually there. what you are saying, christian, is that _ actually there. what you are saying, christian, is that the _ actually there. what you are saying, christian, is that the tories - actually there. what you are saying, christian, is that the tories are - christian, is that the tories are fifth, with 18—24 —year—old voters, do you really think that the house buying property —— policy will bring that back? it is buying property -- policy will bring that back? . . buying property -- policy will bring that back? , ., , ., ,, , g that back? it is a start. in quebec we need to _ that back? it is a start. in quebec we need to talk— that back? it is a start. in quebec we need to talk about _ that back? it is a start. in quebec we need to talk about demand, . we need to talk about demand, planning, housing, how you talk about stamp duty for first—time buyers and what about older people, how you free up when people want to downsize. find how you free up when people want to downsize. �* ., , , , downsize. and developers, but that will not be, — downsize. and developers, but that will not be. if _ downsize. and developers, but that will not be, if it _ downsize. and developers, but that will not be, if it is _ downsize. and developers, but that will not be, if it is not _ downsize. and developers, but that will not be, if it is not new - downsize. and developers, but that will not be, if it is not new homes. | will not be, if it is not new homes. i thought it was interesting when he had that— i thought it was interesting when he had that exchange with nick robinson that he _ had that exchange with nick robinson that he didn't even get the idea that he didn't even get the idea that people could be talking about renting _ that people could be talking about renting as well. nick robinson actually— renting as well. nick robinson actually said to him it is notjust the deposit. and he said yes it is. a load _ the deposit. and he said yes it is. a load of— the deposit. and he said yes it is. a load of young people are on their parents' _ a load of young people are on their parents' homes because they cannot even afford — parents' homes because they cannot even afford to rent. you parents' homes because they cannot even afford to rent.— even afford to rent. you make a bid to rent now. _ even afford to rent. you make a bid to rent now. it _ even afford to rent. you make a bid to rent now, it is _ even afford to rent. you make a bid to rent now, it is not _ even afford to rent. you make a bid to rent now, it is not a _ even afford to rent. you make a bid to rent now, it is not a fixed - to rent now, it is not a fixed thing. it to rent now, it is not a fixed thin. . . to rent now, it is not a fixed thing. it is an absolute nightmare. just one thing. _ thing. it is an absolute nightmare. just one thing, paul _ thing. it is an absolute nightmare. just one thing, paul scully, - thing. it is an absolute nightmare. just one thing, paul scully, about| just one thing, paul scully, about the campaign mess, he went a bit further tonight and made more apologies but why, on the day, did he notjust override his officials in normandy and say, i can't go back. i in normandy and say, i can't go back. . in normandy and say, i can't go back. , ., in normandy and say, i can't go back. .. , ., ., ., back. i can see how the antennae could have _ back. i can see how the antennae could have worked _ back. i can see how the antennae could have worked that _ back. i can see how the antennae could have worked that way, - back. i can see how the antennae i could have worked that way, but not only does _ could have worked that way, but not only does it — could have worked that way, but not only does it not _ could have worked that way, but not only does it not look _ could have worked that way, but not only does it not look good _ could have worked that way, but not only does it not look good as - could have worked that way, but not only does it not look good as they i only does it not look good as they say in _ only does it not look good as they say in politics. _ only does it not look good as they say in politics, the optics- only does it not look good as they say in politics, the optics of- only does it not look good as they say in politics, the optics of it - say in politics, the optics of it but it— say in politics, the optics of it but it is— say in politics, the optics of it but it is more _ say in politics, the optics of it but it is more than— say in politics, the optics of it but it is more than that, it- say in politics, the optics of it but it is more than that, it isi but it is more than that, it is healing _ but it is more than that, it is healing the _ but it is more than that, it is healing the heart, _ but it is more than that, it is healing the heart, this - but it is more than that, it is healing the heart, this is - but it is more than that, it isj healing the heart, this is the but it is more than that, it is- healing the heart, this is the last d-day_ healing the heart, this is the last may that— healing the heart, this is the last d—day that some _ healing the heart, this is the last d—day that some of _ healing the heart, this is the last d—day that some of these - healing the heart, this is the last| d—day that some of these people healing the heart, this is the last- d—day that some of these people are going _ d—day that some of these people are going to _ d—day that some of these people are going to he _ d—day that some of these people are going to be able _ d—day that some of these people are going to be able to— d—day that some of these people are going to be able to attend, _ d—day that some of these people are going to be able to attend, so - d—day that some of these people are going to be able to attend, so this i going to be able to attend, so this actually— going to be able to attend, so this actually matters. _ going to be able to attend, so this actually matters. i’m“ _ going to be able to attend, so this actually matters.— actually matters. i'm going to ask ou actually matters. i'm going to ask you questions- — actually matters. i'm going to ask you questions. do _ actually matters. i'm going to ask you questions. do you _ actually matters. i'm going to ask you questions. do you think - actually matters. i'm going to ask you questions. do you think that. you questions. do you think that rishi sunak has got political instincts? i rishi sunak has got political instincts? ~ rishi sunak has got political instincts?— rishi sunak has got political instincts? ~ . ., , instincts? i think it was clearly left wanting — instincts? i think it was clearly left wanting at _ instincts? i think it was clearly left wanting at that _ instincts? i think it was clearly left wanting at that point - instincts? i think it was clearly left wanting at that point and l instincts? i think it was clearly i left wanting at that point and are happy— left wanting at that point and are happy moments _ left wanting at that point and are happy moments the _ left wanting at that point and are happy moments the campaign, l left wanting at that point and arej happy moments the campaign, it left wanting at that point and are . happy moments the campaign, it is notjust— happy moments the campaign, it is not just about — happy moments the campaign, it is notjust about rishi _ happy moments the campaign, it is not just about rishi sunak - happy moments the campaign, it is not just about rishi sunak but - notjust about rishi sunak but people — notjust about rishi sunak but people around _ notjust about rishi sunak but people around him, _ notjust about rishi sunak but people around him, prime - not just about rishi sunak but - people around him, prime minister take a _ people around him, prime minister take a lot _ people around him, prime minister take a lot of— people around him, prime minister take a lot of advice _ people around him, prime minister take a lot of advice and _ people around him, prime minister take a lot of advice and there - people around him, prime minister take a lot of advice and there are l people around him, prime minister take a lot of advice and there are a j take a lot of advice and there are a lot of— take a lot of advice and there are a lot of moving — take a lot of advice and there are a lot of moving pieces, _ take a lot of advice and there are a lot of moving pieces, but- take a lot of advice and there are a lot of moving pieces, but we - take a lot of advice and there are a lot of moving pieces, but we have i lot of moving pieces, but we have -ot lot of moving pieces, but we have got to— lot of moving pieces, but we have got to be — lot of moving pieces, but we have got to be fleet _ lot of moving pieces, but we have got to be fleet of _ lot of moving pieces, but we have got to be fleet of foot, _ lot of moving pieces, but we have got to be fleet of foot, and - lot of moving pieces, but we have got to be fleet of foot, and to - lot of moving pieces, but we havel got to be fleet of foot, and to lead from _ got to be fleet of foot, and to lead from the _ got to be fleet of foot, and to lead from the front. _ got to be fleet of foot, and to lead from the front.— from the front. talking about the greens, from the front. talking about the greens. we _ from the front. talking about the greens, we have _ from the front. talking about the greens, we have been _ from the front. talking about the greens, we have been talking - from the front. talking about the i greens, we have been talking about the rise of populism in europe, and populism here, and a common theme is there is a kind of clash between the cost of living crisis in europe and the green policies. theyjust do not meld. the green policies. they 'ust do not meld. , , , ., , meld. depends how you implement them, ou meld. depends how you implement them. you can _ meld. depends how you implement them. you can if— meld. depends how you implement them, you can if the _ meld. depends how you implement them, you can if the funding - meld. depends how you implement them, you can if the funding is - meld. depends how you implement them, you can if the funding is put| them, you can if the funding is put into that _ them, you can if the funding is put into that transition to a greener society, — into that transition to a greener society, and i have worked hard with a number— society, and i have worked hard with a number of— society, and i have worked hard with a number of different groups, like the ippr_ a number of different groups, like the ippr and others to make sure that it _ the ippr and others to make sure that it is — the ippr and others to make sure that it is not a pool of people having — that it is not a pool of people having the cost of taking their boilers— having the cost of taking their boilers out of their homes or anything _ boilers out of their homes or anything else, there has got to be something that is properly funded otherwise we are just giving ammunition to the right to bash us on the _ ammunition to the right to bash us on the head — ammunition to the right to bash us on the head with. but the point is, if you _ on the head with. but the point is, if you look— on the head with. but the point is, if you look at the green policies, insulating — if you look at the green policies, insulating every home for example, that we _ insulating every home for example, that we get energy bills down, get climate _ that we get energy bills down, get climate emissions down but also create _ climate emissions down but also create hundreds of thousands ofjobs so in fact— create hundreds of thousands ofjobs so in fact it _ create hundreds of thousands ofjobs so in fact it is the poorest people in society— so in fact it is the poorest people in society you generally gain from green _ in society you generally gain from green policies so we just need to be a lot more _ green policies so we just need to be a lot more robust and not let rishi sunak— a lot more robust and not let rishi sunak get— a lot more robust and not let rishi sunak get away with presenting a green _ sunak get away with presenting a green agenda as somehow being against _ green agenda as somehow being against people on low incomes because — against people on low incomes because the opposite is the truth. webo _ because the opposite is the truth. webo talk— because the opposite is the truth. webo talk a bit more about populism as injected by suella braverman and nigel farage. tom pursglovejoins us. he's had the pleasure of a clutch of ministerial roles in the last two years — most recently, "legal migration and borders". before we engage, let's have a look at a clip of home secretary james cleverly�*s response to a question about the threat posed by nigel farage to the conservative party. the truth is that the people we will come into the conservative party are people who want us to be elected and what a conservative government. nigel farage has opposed those things. and of course what people need to understand is that a vote for reform will give keir starmer a blank cheque. is james cleverly underestimating nigel farage? i have worked with nigel during the referendum campaign, i was involved in the grass—roots campaign and calmed —— campaign very strongly for a leave vote, nigel is in a different party, he does not want to see conservatives elected but the irony is that the position that he is taking to feel that these candidates puts at risk all of the things that he and reform voters would want to see. we do not want backsliding on brexit, we want to see taxes cut and we want to see legal migration fall and we want to stop the boats but a vote for reform is that all of those things are much less likely to happen.— less likely to happen. there may have to be _ less likely to happen. there may have to be an — less likely to happen. there may have to be an injection _ less likely to happen. there may have to be an injection of - have to be an injection of pragmatism after the election towards farage, suella braverman wants to inject populism to the party by welcoming nigel farage. i think we are in different parties and they would be happy for conservative candidates to lose their seats at this election. 50 their seats at this election. so suella their seats at this election. 50 suella braverman is actually their seats at this election. so suella braverman is actually happy for conservative candidates... i think people want to see is not backsliding on brexit, they want to see migration cut, stopping the boats and taxes building, they should be in the conservative party, thatis should be in the conservative party, that is the natural home for those policies, they are our values, and a vote for the conservatives is about to deliver those things and a vote for reform will simply read to the wrong outcome and get a labour government that would not deliver on any of that. government that would not deliver on an of that. �* . government that would not deliver on an of that. v . government that would not deliver on an ofthat. �*, , . ., any of that. let's be clear, then, suella braverman _ any of that. let's be clear, then, suella braverman says _ any of that. let's be clear, then, suella braverman says we - any of that. let's be clear, then, suella braverman says we need l any of that. let's be clear, then, l suella braverman says we need to find a way of working with nigel farage, and she would welcome him into the party, is she wrong? it is obviously for _ into the party, is she wrong? it 3 obviously for suella braverman to justify her... she is a valued colleague, we have worked together on issues, i was a home office minister when she was there as home secretary. i respect her. i respect her views on these issues. but we are united conservative colleagues in wanting to get on them and deliver that. in wanting to get on them and deliverthat. nigel in wanting to get on them and deliver that. nigel farage is in a different political party. i deliver that. nigel farage is in a different political party.- different political party. i don't think ou different political party. i don't think you and _ different political party. i don't think you and suella _ different political party. i don't| think you and suella braverman different political party. i don't - think you and suella braverman are united in the way that you want to progress conservatism, if she wants nigel farage at a party and you don't. if nigel farage at a party and you don't. , ., , ., nigel farage at a party and you don't. , .,, ., ., nigel farage at a party and you don't. , ., ., ., don't. if people want to 'oin the conservative * don't. if people want to 'oin the conservative party, _ don't. if people want to join the conservative party, who - don't. if people want to join the conservative party, who are - don't. if people want to join the conservative party, who are all| conservative party, who are all about getting conservatives elected, and they sign up to our values, that is something that i will come. there have been members of reform and the brexit party people that have become members of the conservative party, we are have a wide breadth of opinion within the conservative family. we want to get conservatives elected and want to put the work and to make that happen and to make the country a better place. if to make that happen and to make the country a better place.— country a better place. if nigel farare country a better place. if nigel farage turns — country a better place. if nigel farage turns turtle _ country a better place. if nigel farage turns turtle after - country a better place. if nigel farage turns turtle after this i farage turns turtle after this election and says i change my mind, if he says i now think my being part of the conservative party will enhance the conservative party, and would lead to us getting back into power, what would you say to nigel farage then? i power, what would you say to nigel farage then?— farage then? i would not ob'ect to eo - le farage then? i would not ob'ect to people who — farage then? i would not ob'ect to people who fl farage then? i would not ob'ect to people who are members h farage then? i would not object to people who are members of- farage then? i would not object to | people who are members of reform coming across to the conservative party and saying we buy into conservative values and support getting conservatives elected. i think that is a common—sense approach. and over the years we have seen people taking that position and coming and joining the conservatives, someone like craig mckinlay, who was a ukip member, a brilliant colleague who stood up for the things he's believed in, supported conservative values, stood as a conservative candidate and help deliver our agenda and i'm sorry that he's not standing in the selection because of health condition, we wish him well, but he shows that people can join the conservatives' fold, and help deliver on our vision. including niel deliver on our vision. including nigel farage? _ deliver on our vision. including nigel farage? if— deliver on our vision. including nigel farage? if nigel- deliver on our vision. including nigel farage? if nigel wants . deliver on our vision. including | nigel farage? if nigel wants to su oort nigel farage? if nigel wants to support conservative _ nigel farage? if nigel wants to support conservative has - nigel farage? if nigel wants to support conservative has been| support conservative has been elected and subscribe to our values, then we should consider any application from him to be a member but that is not where he's at, the fact is he's campaigning to stop conservatives being elected at the selection and that is not compatible with conservative party membership. we have a difference of opinion here, because suella braverman actually welcoming him in, and you saying to my will you know, if he shows conservative values we would consider him, in a post—election scenario where you lose,... if nigel farage says that he has something with which to regenerate the conservative party, bringing a whole slew of votes, look at the polling, he brings a whole slew of people to the party and re—energise the party, what if nigel farage is the man to lead you out of this mess? lode what if nigel farage is the man to lead you out of this mess? we have a leader putting — lead you out of this mess? we have a leader putting forward a _ lead you out of this mess? we have a leader putting forward a compelling l leader putting forward a compelling vision to the country. we talked about in the early part of your package, these changes in relation to housing for young people, we talked about the position around the triple lock, we are the ones who can be trusted to cut immigration, both illegal and legal, but we are the only ones who can deliver this in the selection, nigel farage is standing against us and putting all of that at risk. that is the situation we are in today and we got to fight this election hard, and thatis to fight this election hard, and that is what we're doing on doorsteps up and the country. teong first love, thank _ doorsteps up and the country. teong first love, thank you _ doorsteps up and the country. teong first love, thank you very _ doorsteps up and the country. teong first love, thank you very much. -- l first love, thank you very much. —— tom first love. nick, what do you make of what tom pursglove has been saying? he is saying nigel farage cannot just walk into the conservative party. if you want to sign up to conservative values, of course you can join. conservative values, of course you canjoin. the point about conservative values, of course you can join. the point about tom pursglove, nobody can doubt his brexit credentials and the future nigel farage and whether he can join the conservative party on his terms depends on what conservative mps are elected after the next election. if there are lots like suella braverman, in he comes. if it is lots like tom pursglove, it will be some hurdle for nigel farage to clear. ., ., , ., ., ., some hurdle for nigel farage to clear. ., ., ., ., , clear. caroline, you have not been without your _ clear. caroline, you have not been without your own _ clear. caroline, you have not been without your own issues _ clear. caroline, you have not been without your own issues in - clear. caroline, you have not been without your own issues in the - clear. caroline, you have not been i without your own issues in the green party, charges of anti—semitism, four candidates and outstanding and we understand from the times there were investigations of several others. also some process votes of gaza being hoovered up. what you make of the issues of anti—semitism that does seem to follow the greens at the moment?— that does seem to follow the greens at the moment? first, anti-semitism is absolutely — at the moment? first, anti-semitism is absolutely appalling _ at the moment? first, anti-semitism is absolutely appalling and _ at the moment? first, anti-semitism is absolutely appalling and we - at the moment? first, anti-semitism is absolutely appalling and we do - is absolutely appalling and we do not tolerate it and it should have not tolerate it and it should have no place — not tolerate it and it should have no place in — not tolerate it and it should have no place in our society or any political— no place in our society or any political party. i would dispute the idea the _ political party. i would dispute the idea the green party is particularly afflicted _ idea the green party is particularly afflicted by this. four cases is four— afflicted by this. four cases is four too— afflicted by this. four cases is four too many and i absolutely agree to that _ four too many and i absolutely agree to that and _ four too many and i absolutely agree to that and four candidates are no longer— to that and four candidates are no longer candidates. the process has been _ longer candidates. the process has been thorough? i believe our vetting process— been thorough? i believe our vetting process was thorough when these cases— process was thorough when these cases were brought to our attention. four candidates on a logo candidates, we have things in place like training on anti—semitism and encountering —— and encountering anti—semitism. we are working closely— anti—semitism. we are working closely withjewish anti—semitism. we are working closely with jewish organisations to help with _ closely with jewish organisations to help with this. unfortunately, anti—semitism is in our society and we all— anti—semitism is in our society and we all need — anti—semitism is in our society and we all need to fight it as hard as we all need to fight it as hard as we can— we all need to fight it as hard as we can wherever we find it. before i finish on this. _ we can wherever we find it. before i finish on this, just _ we can wherever we find it. before i finish on this, just to _ we can wherever we find it. before i finish on this, just to say _ we can wherever we find it. before i finish on this, just to say you - we can wherever we find it. before i finish on this, just to say you are . finish on this, just to say you are leaving. you have been here since 2010. you have talked about the arrogance he felt among some mps, particular sections of mps? you arrogance he felt among some mps, particular sections of mps?_ particular sections of mps? you are tem outin particular sections of mps? you are tempting me! _ particular sections of mps? you are tempting me! well, _ particular sections of mps? you are tempting me! well, i— particular sections of mps? you are tempting me! well, i suppose - particular sections of mps? you are tempting me! well, i suppose i - tempting me! well, i suppose i experienced as a sole green party mp, experienced as a sole green party mp. i_ experienced as a sole green party mp. i am — experienced as a sole green party mp, lam most experienced as a sole green party mp, i am most likely to be interlocking with government ministers. yes, by and large, i'm afraid _ ministers. yes, by and large, i'm afraid most— ministers. yes, by and large, i'm afraid most of them are very arrogant— afraid most of them are very arrogant and one of the things that makes _ arrogant and one of the things that makes me — arrogant and one of the things that makes me most angry is you sit through— makes me most angry is you sit through an _ makes me most angry is you sit through an entire debate and perhaps you are _ through an entire debate and perhaps you are sometimes the only person who has— you are sometimes the only person who has raised a serious level of challenge — who has raised a serious level of challenge and the ministerjust simply— challenge and the ministerjust simply ignores you. i think that is 'ust simply ignores you. i think that is just downright rude, apart from anything — just downright rude, apart from anything else. yes, there is arrogance _ anything else. yes, there is arrogance and also dysfunctionality and that _ arrogance and also dysfunctionality and that is — arrogance and also dysfunctionality and that is a bigger problem. parliament does not work properly, we need _ parliament does not work properly, we need to— parliament does not work properly, we need to look at the way in which those _ we need to look at the way in which those processes should be updated, it simply— those processes should be updated, it simply doesn't make sense any more _ it simply doesn't make sense any more we — it simply doesn't make sense any more we spend so long walking around those _ more we spend so long walking around those voting lobbies for example, lots of— those voting lobbies for example, lots of reform is needed.- lots of reform is needed. thanks very much _ lots of reform is needed. thanks very much for— lots of reform is needed. thanks very much for that. _ lots of reform is needed. thanks very much for that. nick, - lots of reform is needed. thanks very much for that. nick, you . lots of reform is needed. thanks| very much for that. nick, you are lots of reform is needed. thanks i very much for that. nick, you are at the adult lawn —— you were at the launch of the liberal democrats today. when you inflate or on the ground with ed davey?— ground with ed davey? there was sadl no ground with ed davey? there was sadly no ed _ ground with ed davey? there was sadly no ed davey _ ground with ed davey? there was sadly no ed davey paddle - ground with ed davey? there was sadly no ed davey paddle board, | ground with ed davey? there was i sadly no ed davey paddle board, but i wanted to ask about the eu because their manifesto had on the front page at the last election, stop brexit. you had to go right to the back and what you find? a three—point journey to take back and what you find? a three—pointjourney to take us closer. the stage, let's have closer relations. second stage, join the single market. third stage, possibly join the eu again. i asked, what about the jack —— the gap between following the single market when you have to polish the rules and membership where you have a say over those rules? —— to follow the rules. are you saying that we would go into the single market as a rule—taker, before we have a chance of being a rule—maker as a member? on your point of rule—taker, we're a rule—taker now. we're a rule—taker now! you know, the conservatives try to make out that, you know, they've somehow got out of that. they haven't. you know, not for once, they've not quite told the full truth. ed davey. we arejoined in a minute by christine jardine. i think you'rejoining us i think you're joining us from glasgow today. you are in edinburgh. good evening to you. you haven't been on any roller—coaster is in the last two weeks? ida. been on any roller-coaster is in the last two weeks?— last two weeks? no, i managed to avoid the roller-coaster _ last two weeks? no, i managed to avoid the roller-coaster today. - last two weeks? no, i managed to avoid the roller-coaster today. it | avoid the roller—coaster today. it looked like fun. but i have never been a fan, unfortunately. i don't think i would have enjoyed it. let’s think i would have en'oyed it. let's aet think i would have en'oyed it. let's net to the think i would have en'oyed it. let's get to the serious _ think i would have enjoyed it. let's get to the serious stuff _ think i would have enjoyed it. let's get to the serious stuff and your manifesto and deal with the nhs. you talk about giving patients in england the right to see a gp or member of staff in seven days or indeed, 2a hours if it is urgent. is this not a false perspective? you cannot enforce this in any way, you say it is down to the secretary of state for help, you cannot enforce this, so you are giving people false hope. this, so you are giving people false ho -e. ., this, so you are giving people false ho .e_ ., ., this, so you are giving people false ho -e. ., ., ., this, so you are giving people false hoe. ., ., ., ., this, so you are giving people false hoe. ., . . ., ., ., , hope. no, what we are going to do is we are going — hope. no, what we are going to do is we are going to _ hope. no, what we are going to do is we are going to increase _ hope. no, what we are going to do is we are going to increase the number| we are going to increase the number of gps. we want to recruit another 8,000 gps, increase the number of primary care gps in the service. but we also want to invest in introducing free personal care for those who accompany —— you are currently in hospital because they cannot get a package at home, so they can move out of hospital and can get down the waiting list. once you start to do that, you begin to get people to get the treatments they are waiting for, the operations they are waiting for, the operations they are waiting for, the operations they are waiting for and you begin to move people through. what we really want to do is to break the backlog by introducing these 8,000 new gps and lots more social care workers. , ,., ., .., new gps and lots more social care workers. , ,., ., .. . new gps and lots more social care workers. , ., . workers. the personal care which has been in scotland _ workers. the personal care which has been in scotland for _ workers. the personal care which has been in scotland for the _ workers. the personal care which has been in scotland for the last - workers. the personal care which has been in scotland for the last 20 - been in scotland for the last 20 years and is not cheap. in fact, already, the nuffield trust has done some number crunching with you and your sums on health, particularly in terms of pre—personal care, they are inadequate. terms of pre-personal care, they are inadequate-— inadequate. they 'ust simply won't work. we inadequate. they 'ust simply won't work. we — inadequate. they just simply won't work. we are quite _ inadequate. they just simply won't work. we are quite confident - inadequate. they just simply won't work. we are quite confident we i inadequate. they just simply won't i work. we are quite confident we have done our sums and we have done them properly. what we have done is we have taken a very care —— cautious approach in all our sums in the manifesto because we recognise that we don't want to overpromise. and we have funded things properly. and we have funded things properly. and we have built in things like behavioural change and the impact. so we stand by our figures and we think they are probably for good and they will work. let think they are probably for good and they will work-— think they are probably for good and they will work. let me give you more fioures they will work. let me give you more figures now- — they will work. let me give you more figures now. you _ they will work. let me give you more figures now. you want _ they will work. let me give you more figures now. you want to _ they will work. let me give you more figures now. you want to ban - figures now. you want to ban short—haulflights figures now. you want to ban short—haul flights under 2.5 hours within the uk. wejust looked short—haul flights under 2.5 hours within the uk. we just looked at the time tables tomorrow morning. 6:20am flight from london to manchester, 131 p. 6:30am train from london to manchester, £131. are you going to subsidise the train? —— £131. or will they have country —— complete control of the market so the train fares will rise? lode control of the market so the train fares will rise?— control of the market so the train fares will rise? we will look at the ta . s on fares will rise? we will look at the tags on flights _ fares will rise? we will look at the tags on flights and _ fares will rise? we will look at the tags on flights and if— fares will rise? we will look at the tags on flights and if you - fares will rise? we will look at the tags on flights and if you can - fares will rise? we will look at the tags on flights and if you can get l fares will rise? we will look at the j tags on flights and if you can get a train for less than 2.5 hours travelling, people affected will be from glasgow or edinburgh or inverness to london, whatever your journey if it is less than 2.5 hours, you should pay more tax on those flights to discourage. lode those flights to discourage. we understand you will introduce a ban on flights less than 2.5 hours within the uk if there is a similar train service. i5 within the uk if there is a similar train service.— train service. is the manifesto wron: ? train service. is the manifesto wrong? it _ train service. is the manifesto wrong? it would _ train service. is the manifesto wrong? it would be _ train service. is the manifesto wrong? it would be a - train service. is the manifesto wrong? it would be a tax - train service. is the manifesto wrong? it would be a tax on l train service. is the manifesto - wrong? it would be a tax on these flights so we would be taking more trains. for example, we would also want to see more sustainable air fuel used in short—haul flights. want to see more sustainable air fuel used in short—haulflights. so fuel used in short-haul flights. so let's fuel used in short—haul flights. so let's be quite clear, it is not a ban as it says on the manifesto. one more, the policy to increase council tax for second homes up to 500%. how is that going to go down in seats where you are marginal with the conservatives, is that going to win you a lot of conservative votes? lode you a lot of conservative votes? we are you a lot of conservative votes? - are looking at a situation where we have a housing crisis in this country and we are concerned and what people tell us up and down the country is they are concerned about the way a lot of housing has been taken out of the market. that we need to be building more houses, we need to be building more houses, we need to be improving the supply of housing, affordable housing in the right place, at the right price for people. so yes, i think people will recognise that what we want to do is increase the number of houses and the access to the number of houses. and incentivise people to get houses and properties back into the market. i think that works for people in every part of the country. thank you ve much every part of the country. thank you very much indeed. _ let's take a quick look at a few of the stories on the front pages. the times, tories offer lower taxes and help for home—buyers, in an election pitch as the air to margaret thatcher. tax breaks to landlords offered by rishi sunak. nigel farage saying what we said to tom pursglove. iwill nigel farage saying what we said to tom pursglove. i will notjoin the tories, they willjoin us. and the bottom, the boys 12 are the youngest murder there james bolger. —— the killing ofjames holger. rishi sunak pins hopes on cuts to rescue tory stricken campaign. and the daily express, christian's paper. the worker, pm promises to p cut in national insurance. and on to the daily mail. britain's12—year—old machete murderers, the youngest killers after an unprovoked horrific attack on an innocent teenager. that's all from us tonight. we will have a quick word to finish with you guys. what are you going to do next? i with you guys. what are you going to do next? ., ., ., _, , ., do next? i have got a couple of boards i am — do next? i have got a couple of boards i am going _ do next? i have got a couple of boards i am going to _ do next? i have got a couple of boards i am going to start - do next? i have got a couple of boards i am going to start up i boards i am going to start up companies and i will get involved in, an insurance company and another energy company. but i also want to keep involved in london politics, starting to come up with ideas for politics for london from a centre—right point of view. politics for london from a centre-right point of view. when you look back at — centre-right point of view. when you look back at what _ centre-right point of view. when you look back at what is _ centre-right point of view. when you look back at what is happening - look back at what is happening during this campaign and what you have to do over the next three weeks, although you are standing down, you are campaigning. what is a key thing? we hear some of the senior people in the party say that if the manifesto false flat tomorrow, there will have to be a change of tack.— change of tack. yes, i think it's important _ change of tack. yes, i think it's important not _ change of tack. yes, i think it's important not just _ change of tack. yes, i think it's important not just for - change of tack. yes, i think it's important notjust for who - change of tack. yes, i think it's important not just for who is i change of tack. yes, i think it's . important notjust for who is going to be prime minister, rishi said, but what happens over the next few years. if we are in opposition, how credible can we be and how we got the right people and can we reconstruct a great vibrant conservative party that you can lead? at the moment, the labour party are holding the ming vase. we should be bold and what we are talking about.— talking about. this is the key thin , talking about. this is the key thing, tories _ talking about. this is the key thing, tories are _ talking about. this is the key | thing, tories are transitioning talking about. this is the key - thing, tories are transitioning away from _ thing, tories are transitioning away from any— thing, tories are transitioning away from any hope of winning to just trying _ from any hope of winning to just trying to— from any hope of winning to just trying to be a credible opposition. they are — trying to be a credible opposition. they are trying to avoid canada 1993 and turn _ they are trying to avoid canada 1993 and turn britain 1997 into somewhat of a respectable result. and that is the thing _ of a respectable result. and that is the thing we saw with the liberal democrats. the risk nigel farage is taking _ democrats. the risk nigel farage is taking is— democrats. the risk nigel farage is taking is he — democrats. the risk nigel farage is taking is he thinks the opposition choice _ taking is he thinks the opposition choice is — taking is he thinks the opposition choice is between the tories and reform — choice is between the tories and reform. the way the vote is splitting _ reform. the way the vote is splitting at the moment because some polls even— splitting at the moment because some polls even suggest the lib dems could _ polls even suggest the lib dems could be — polls even suggest the lib dems could be the official opposition and that would be a disaster for the rate in— that would be a disaster for the rate in this country. | that would be a disaster for the rate in this country.— that would be a disaster for the rate in this country. i want to pick u . rate in this country. i want to pick u- on rate in this country. i want to pick up on a couple — rate in this country. i want to pick up on a couple of _ rate in this country. i want to pick up on a couple of things, - rate in this country. i want to pick up on a couple of things, we - rate in this country. i want to pick up on a couple of things, we have this question of more cuts in the country and the idea that there will be a move on sunak to change tack. just the right in this country. is it the tail wagging the dog in terms of what nigel farage is doing? the tories will come to me, i will not go to the tories. i tories will come to me, i will not go to the tories.— go to the tories. i think it would be very odd _ go to the tories. i think it would be very odd to see _ go to the tories. i think it would be very odd to see the - go to the tories. i think it would be very odd to see the chickens| be very odd to see the chickens welcome — be very odd to see the chickens welcome the fox into the coop. what does that mean _ welcome the fox into the coop. what does that mean for _ welcome the fox into the coop. lg"isgt does that mean for suella braverman? well, you know, she will do what she does _ well, you know, she will do what she does but— well, you know, she will do what she does but i'm — well, you know, she will do what she does. but i'm afraid to say, she doesn't — does. but i'm afraid to say, she doesn't have much power within the party— doesn't have much power within the party any— doesn't have much power within the party any more. and what i have very interested _ party any more. and what i have very interested to — party any more. and what i have very interested to see our prominent right—wing candidates, people like priti patel, disagreeing with her as well and _ priti patel, disagreeing with her as well and i— priti patel, disagreeing with her as well and i think this question of farage — well and i think this question of farage will dog the tory leadership campaign _ farage will dog the tory leadership campaign and i for one cannot necessarily say at this point where the members are on that question. can we _ the members are on that question. can we look— the members are on that question. can we look at the future as well? because _ can we look at the future as well? because i want— can we look at the future as well? because i want to _ can we look at the future as well? because i want to talk _ can we look at the future as well? because i want to talk about - can we look at the future as well? because i want to talk about the l can we look at the future as well? . because i want to talk about the way in which _ because i want to talk about the way in which a labour _ because i want to talk about the way in which a labour government - because i want to talk about the way in which a labour government with a j in which a labour government with a massive _ in which a labour government with a massive majority— in which a labour government with a massive majority actually— in which a labour government with a massive majority actually is - in which a labour government with a massive majority actually is not - massive majority actually is not great _ massive majority actually is not great for — massive majority actually is not great for democracy, _ massive majority actually is not great for democracy, which - massive majority actually is not great for democracy, which is l massive majority actually is notl great for democracy, which is an even _ great for democracy, which is an even stronger— great for democracy, which is an even stronger argument- great for democracy, which is an even stronger argument for-

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