that's one area. another is economic growth, because it's true to say, at the start of 2024, there was economic growth. but when you come further along, that was after the uk entered recession. and if you look at the last couple of years as a whole, the picture is a lot less positive. certainly when compared with other major economies, like the us. so this, and the skepticism about some of these claims, keep all of that in your head when you hear the debate tonight. we'll have a look a bit more of what's said later and we'll bring you more of it tomorrow morning on breakfast. i think bbc verifier likes more than claims flying around. let's speak to dr nick anstead, associate professor in the department of media and communications at london school of economics who has researched tv election debates. you have researched election debates and you are a good person to talk to about. firstly, these are two men talking to the public. but our

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