notjust him, mentioning liz truss and her brief time in office, and rishi sunak saying, we will look to the future. which argument do you thick was more compelling tonight? is a harder argument to have to defend — is a harder argument to have to defend 14— is a harder argument to have to defend 14 years, which had lots of problems. — defend 14 years, which had lots of problems, i thick as you say, if you are problems, ! thick as you say, if you are not— problems, i thick as you say, if you are not washing the debate, you just listen _ are not washing the debate, you just listen to— are not washing the debate, you just listen to the name mentions, you might— listen to the name mentions, you might have — listen to the name mentions, you might have thought liz truss was in it. might have thought liz truss was in it keir— might have thought liz truss was in it. keir starmer mentioned her so many— it. keir starmer mentioned her so many times. when rishi sunak said, in the _ many times. when rishi sunak said, in the past, — many times. when rishi sunak said, in the past, you have had 14 years in the past, you have had 14 years in opposition, labour, and where are your ideas? — in opposition, labour, and where are your ideas? that is something they will your ideas? that is something they wiii keep— your ideas? that is something they will keep pushing on, because when you come _ will keep pushing on, because when you come away from that hour, i didn't— you come away from that hour, i didn't really learn that much more about— didn't really learn that much more about what— didn't really learn that much more about what keir starmer plans to us prime _ about what keir starmer plans to us prime minister, perhaps not such a problem _ prime minister, perhaps not such a problem if— prime minister, perhaps not such a problem if they will not have too many _ problem if they will not have too many more of these debates, but something that could be an issue if the manifesto was seen to be dry or nothing _ the manifesto was seen to be dry or nothing new in it. ok, the manifesto was seen to be dry or nothing new in it.— nothing new in it. ok, katy and r an, nothing new in it. ok, katy and ryan. thank— nothing new in it. ok, katy and ryan. thank you _ nothing new in it. ok, katy and ryan, thank you for _ nothing new in it. ok, katy and ryan, thank you for taking - nothing new in it. ok, katy and ryan, thank you for taking us l ryan, thank you for taking us through what the headlines might be tomorrow. as you can see, the spin room is fairly busy! colleagues over there, sky news, we spoke to both of them earlier on on the news channel