young. it has been pretty good so far in terms of understanding where both leaders come from, hasn't it? yes, they have been getting to some of the _ yes, they have been getting to some of the topics you would expect. tax was the _ of the topics you would expect. tax was the latest. there was a good moment— was the latest. there was a good moment when they were asked to put up moment when they were asked to put up their— moment when they were asked to put up their hands if there was something that wasn't true and they said they're like naughty schoolboys, thinking, what is going on here? _ schoolboys, thinking, what is going on here? the big ideas on tax, they agreed _ on here? the big ideas on tax, they agreed on — on here? the big ideas on tax, they agreed on. they have both ruled out putting _ agreed on. they have both ruled out putting up— agreed on. they have both ruled out putting up income tax and vat and national— putting up income tax and vat and national insurance. they do agree on that _ national insurance. they do agree on that what _ national insurance. they do agree on that. what has been striking is that from the _ that. what has been striking is that from the very beginning rishi sunak has been _ from the very beginning rishi sunak has been talking about labour putting — has been talking about labour putting up people's taxes by £2000 per family. putting up people's taxes by £2000 perfamily. i putting up people's taxes by £2000 per family. i was wondering why sir keir starmer was not denying this or getting _ keir starmer was not denying this or getting back on that. he didn't have it 25 minutes, and then when we got an attack— it 25 minutes, and then when we got an attack section, he said: this is nonsense. — an attack section, he said: this is nonsense, the tories have been putting — nonsense, the tories have been putting false policies in non—labour's behalf and trying to -et non—labour's behalf and trying to get officials to cost them. they were _