Unrwa said the strike was carried out despite the centres location being given to israeli forces. One of the main leaders vying for power in haiti has rejected an agreement that led to the resignation of the Prime Minister, ariel henry, on monday. Guy philippe, who served a Prison Sentence in the us for drug trafficking, says hes planning peaceful protests against the deal. Far right dutch politician, geert wilders, has failed in his bid to become the countrys Prime Minister. His anti migrant Freedom Party emerged as the biggest after elections in november but Coalition Talks have repeatedly broken down. The European Parliament has approved what it calls trailblazing new rules on the use of artificial intelligence. The ai act regulates the technology according to risk. Theres one more step to go before the eu formally adopts the legislation later this year. For some time now the governments in europe and the United States have identified. Tiktok as a threat to their National Security. It is owned by bytedance, a company in beijing. And in theory, like any other Chinese Company it is obliged to turn over any personal data relevant to china s National Security. Today the us House Of Representatives took an unprecedented decion. By an overwhelming majority they voted for a ban. Strictly speaking it is a forced sale. If the bill is approved by the senate, then tiktok will need to be under new ownership within 180 days. But then how easy will it be to find a buyer, for a social media that has 170m users. And if this is about protecting american data when what sort of precedent does this set. This is really about controlling americas data. And if we cared about americans data then we would stop the sale of a americans data universally. Notjust with china. Tiktok is a threat to our National Security because its its owned security because its owned by bytedance which start the bidding of the Chinese Communist party. We know this because bytedance leadership says so and because chinese law requires it. This bill therefore forces tiktok to break up with the Chinese Communist party. It does not apply to American Companies. It only applies to companies subject to the control of foreign adversaries as defined by congress. The bill is written so broadly that the president could abuse that discretion and include other companies that are just social Media Companies. This is not an attempt to ban tiktok. Its an attempt to make tiktok better. Tic tac toe, a winner. A winner. If the legislation is passed, it could make the sale price cheaper. But matchmaking on acquisitions is not quick, or straightforward. The anti trust rules are much tougher since facebook bought instagram, similar buy outs have been successfully challenged. And that is presuming the chinese would go along with a sale. Heres how the Chinese Foreign ministry reacted after the vote. Translation this kind of conduct of resorting to bullying and failures of winning and fair competition disrupts business operation, frustrates internationals investors and undermines the normal International Economic and trade order in the end it is bound to come back to bite the us itself. Caitlin chin rothmann, is a Tech Policy Researcher at the centre for strategic and international studies. Thank you for being with us. Lawmakers went into a private briefing and emerged saying that it all felt a little thin. What evidence is using that tick tock does pose a threat to National Security . Does pose a threat to National Securi . ~. , ~ does pose a threat to National Securi . ~ ~ does pose a threat to National Securi . ~ ~. ,. , security . Tiktok. We have not been presented security . Tiktok. We have not been presented with security . Tiktok. We have not been presented with very security . Tiktok. 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But there isnt any direct substitute for tiktok in the short term. Tiktok occupies a unique niche in our culture. I do think that if tiktok were to be banned tiktok users would either have to find another way to express themselves or many tiktok posters will stop posting online or videos the same way they were using tiktok in the past. Lets bring in our panel now paul waugh and elise labott. I thought it was interesting that joe biden said he would sign if its passed by the senate. If you look at What Maggio World is that of the last week model trump said he didnt want more power being handed to use zuckerberg and that we have kelly and conway is former adviser who is lobbying for tiktok on the hill. If you look at the boat is quite interesting who voted against the bill. ,. , bill. There is this whole conglomerate bill. There is this whole conglomerate of bill. There is this whole i conglomerate of alliances. Bill. There is this whole conglomerate of alliances. You bill. 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Im just saying there is a lot of speculation. There is a reason that hes leaning speculation. There is a reason that hes leaning very forward. I did sa the hes leaning very forward. I did say the other hes leaning very forward. I did say the other night hes leaning very forward. I did say the other night he hes leaning very forward. I c c say the other night he has a Hedge Fund Manager that has a 30 billion stake in tiktok. Shortly after that they seem to have a different opinion about it. I dont know whether that is behind it but it might seem to reason. Elise is right, the way politicians use it is fascinating. Youve Gotjoe Biden Standing his kitchen on tiktok for that weve got grant shops in kyiv using tiktok. Michelle donald r sign secretary who is using it, appearing in an american style yearbook. And yet all say it should be banned from governments computers and tablets. Inaudible. Are you muted, paul . 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However, we also see lawmakers accusing the Chinese Government of controlling this algorithm to target propaganda. We havent seen any specific public evidence of that happening yet. Given how many young people use this app given how many young people use this app it is a brave party that advocates banning tiktok. Particularly in an election year. Let particularly in an election year. Let me particularly in an election year. Let me quickly say, the kids will be upset let me quickly say, the kids will be upset for let me quickly say, the kids will be upset for a let me quickly say, the kids will be upset for a little while and then theyll upset for a little while and then theyll be upset for a little while and then theyll be another app. People are already theyll be another app. People are already working on it here in the united already working on it here in the United States. There will be a new app United States. There will be a new app and United States. 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Very good reason because they can get you a key audience. Get you a key audience. Caitlin, thank you get you a key audience. Caitlin, thank you for get you a key audience. Caitlin, thank you for your get you a key audience. Caitlin, thank you for your thoughts. I get you a key audience. Caitlin, i thank you for your thoughts. Have you on the program. On this side, the Prime Minister and leader of the opposition spent their Afternoon Trading blows over which of their respective parties was more racist, anti semitic or anti muslim. Rishi sunak is facing calls to return a £10 million donation to the businessman frank hester, who in 2019 told a Business Meeting that when labours diane abbott appeared on tv it made him want to hate All Black Women. She should be shot, he allegedly said. The mayor of the west midlands, andy street, and the leader of the Scottish Conservatives douglas ross have now called for the money to be returned to mr hester. The labour party asked why it had taken the Prime Minister so long yesterday, to finally call it out as racist. Two weeks ago, the Prime Minister invited himself into everyones living room at 6 00 on a friday evening. No one asked him to give that speech. He chose to do it. He chose to anoint himself as the great healer and pose as some kind of unifier. But when the man bankrolling his election, says the member for hackney, north should be shot, he suddenly finds himself tongue tied, shrinking in sophistry, hoping he can deflect for long enough that will all go away. What does the Prime Minister think . It was about the hundreds of millions of pounds of nhs contracts given to frank hester by his government. The first attracted him to giving £10 million to the tory party in the first place . £10 million to the tory party Prime Minister. £10 million to the tory party mr £10 million to the tory party speaker, im absolutely not going to take any lectures from somebody, from somebody and somebody who chose to represent an anti semitic terrorist group, hizb ut tahrir, who chose to serve a leader who Let Anti Semitism Run Rife in this labour party. Those are his actions, those are his values, and thats how he should be judged. Very angry exchanges. In what became very angry exchanges sir keir kept the pressure up. Is the premise or proud to be bankrolled by someone using racist and misogynist language, when he says the member for Hackney North and Stoke Newington makes you want to hate All Black Women . Mr speaker, the alleged comments were wrong, they were racist, and he has now. As i said, the comments were wrong and they were racist, he has rightly apologised for them and that remorse should be accepted. Througout Prime Ministers questions dianne abbot was in the Chamber Bobbing as it is known, trying to attract the speakers attention. Chris mason said she was on her feet 37 times. Tonight on twitter she said. Keir starmer was leaning into your scared of your party for the inrush tale of what you are part somewhat undermined that . Undermined that . There is no ruestion undermined that . There is no question that undermined that . There is no question that both undermined that . There is no question that both parties undermined that . There is no | question that both parties have undermined that . There is no question that both parties have had difficulties when it comes to dealing with extremist views that have been exposed by other people when it comes to their candidates. The key and all this is to act quickly and decisively. As soon as an allegation like this is made you immediately suspend someone pending a full investigation. Because these remarks are so extreme, they are frankly intraoral of both. For the public to hear that language is so self evidently racist. It took more than 2a hours for the Prime Minister to realise it. Which really strange about this he seems to have bounced into that description that those remarks were racist by his own ministers for the candidate or not, the Trade Secretary was the one who tweeted it 1st. Kapi baden. Effectively forcing the Prime Minister stand for the other ministers going public. The scottish tory parties saying him the money back. Its is if the pm isnt actually in control of events. I can back to the actually in control of events. I can back to the issue actually in control of events. I can back to the issue of actually in control of events. I can back to the issue of labour back to the issue of Labour Candidate at the time in rochdale, it was an anti semitic thing that he said. The labour party knew about it. It took keir starmer i think several days to come out and properly make his point that he couldnt stand as a Labour Candidate. I want to understand why both leaders are getting this wrong. Why are they so afraid as calling it out as racist or anti semitic . I think the most important thing is to act quickly and decisively. Sometimes its bit worried about how it looks with that when it came to rochdale they didnt act quickly enough. I5 rochdale they didnt act quickly enou. H. ,. ,. , rochdale they didnt act quickly enou h, ,. ,. ,. , enough. Is it the stigma that if you call somebody enough. Is it the stigma that if you call somebody a enough. Is it the stigma that if you call somebody a racist enough. Is it the stigma that if you call somebody a racist you get call somebody a racist you get cancelled these days . So they dont want to voice that on someone . I dont think it is that for them in rochdale dont forget, keir starmer eventually did withdraw support from the candidate which is unprecedented for a by election. You had an unopposed by election when George Galloway won there. He took a big decision and he should have done it quickly but i think what it comes to this today it seems so obvious as it was with as our alley of making an anti semitic remark, grossly offensive racist remark. You just have to act quickly. It shows the merit of doing that. Its have to act quickly. It shows the merit of doing that. Merit of doing that. Its a very live issue merit of doing that. Its a very live issue in merit of doing that. Its a very live issue in the merit of doing that. Its a very live issue in the united merit of doing that. Its a very live issue in the United States| merit of doing that. Its a very i live issue in the United States at the moment. We it for hundred percent increase in anti semitism and a lot of hatred for muslims and Arab Americans as well. Ill read you what the Attorney General said for hundred back for the seeking to fracture our society to isolate us from one another to put communities against community. Its definitely become a greater problem since the events in the middle east. Its huge. The thing here is there is talk its huge. The thing here is there is talk about, obviously evident reading is talk about, obviously evident reading up about whats happening in the uk reading up about whats happening in the uk and reading up about whats happening in the uk and they say we need more politics the uk and they say we need more politics which is more empathetic and kind politics which is more empathetic and kind and understanding in our polarisation. You know the polarisation. You know the polarisation were finding here where polarisation were finding here where Marjorie Taylor green on one minute where Marjorie Taylor green on one minute shes costing up with aoc in the neck minute shes costing up with aoc in the neck shes talking about jewish death the neck shes talking about jewish death lasers and saying such anti semitic language. Its really ~~ anti semitic language. Its really. People are so used to it here really. People are so used to it here that really. People are so used to it here that they roll it off your back here that they roll it off your back. Thats what the us, the Intelligence Community is very concerned about. Because the political concerned about. Because the political discourse is so polarising and so political discourse is so polarising and so normal that that is seeping its way and so normal that that is seeping its way into and so normal that that is seeping its way into the public. So people ust its way into the public. So people just dont its way into the public. So people just dont think that there anything wrong just dont think that there anything wrong with violence. It is not condemned, when you shoot someone who is condemned, when you shoot someone who is black condemned, when you shoot someone who is black because youre scared of them, who is black because youre scared ofthem. Its who is black because youre scared of them, its not condemned, is not considered of them, its not condemned, is not considered a of them, its not condemned, is not considered a hate crime or a racist crime considered a hate crime or a racist crime for considered a hate crime or a racist crime for them everything here is steeped crime for them everything here is steeped in crime for them everything here is steeped in this polarisation. Its ust steeped in this polarisation. Its just becoming commonplace and normal just becoming commonplace and normal. That is what the threat is. This hatem normal. That is what the threat is. This hate. We normal. That is what the threat is. This hate this hate. We had two mps killed here. In this hate. We had two mps killed here in the this hate. We had two mps killed here. In the aftermath this hate. We had two mps killed here. In the aftermath of here. In the aftermath of the politicians say that they are going to debate more kindly and think about one another but then itjust deteriorates again. Tomorrow the governments going to present new counter extremism strategy. It is changing its official definition of extremism to more clearly identify those groups that would use race, religion or hate to divide us. This afternoon Stephen Flynn the snp leader In Westminster said this. On monday, the number ten said we have seen an unacceptable rise in extremist activity, which is seeking to divide our society and hijack our democratic institutions. Isnt the extremism that we should all be worried about, the views of those tory donors that we have read about this week . It does make it more difficult, doesnt it for the Prime Minister and michael gove tomorrow to stand up and michael gove tomorrow to stand up weve got to call out the bigotry that divide us when theyve had this problem this week . Problem this week . Certainly true number ten problem this week . Certainly true number ten immediately problem this week . Certainly true number ten immediately after problem this week . Certainly true number ten immediately after pm j number ten immediately after pm hughes today really struggled to answer the question when asked a simple question which is, with this tory donor frank hester be classed as an extreme and its under your new guidance and they couldnt answer the question. Thats quite damaging. In the uk we dont have the same problems in the us when it comes to donations really dictating policy for that we like to think we dont. I think thats a real problem here, this isntjust a politician this is a donor. You have to ask yourself, if an ordinary member of the tory party and said something so outrageous and races you would assume to be kicked out straightaway. What seems to be the case here is they need his money. That surely is quite worrying. We will take a quick break. We will be right back. Hello, Thanks Forjoining me. Its been quite a cloudy day across most of the uk today, some rain too, but its been mild. And if anything, the temperatures are expected to rise a little further as we head into thursday quite breezy too, particularly in scotland. Weve had some gales here. Anyway, heres the satellite picture, and you can see the Rain Bearing Cloud Streaming across the uk. That cloud produced the heavier rain around snowdonia, the north west of england. And through the course of the evening, the Weather Front will be moving northwards. So where we had the clearer skies in the north, well, its going to turn cloudy through the night. The outbreaks of rain will reach Northern Ireland, parts of southern scotland, too. But to the north, it will stay clear and chilly. So northern scotland, only around five degrees underneath the clear skies. Further south, its closer to about 8 10 celsius, and of course, weve got that rain, too. So lets have a look at the forecast for thursday mild south westerlies, that rain continues to make its journey northward, so quite a soggy picture here in scotland. Out towards the west, weve got showers, and given some lengthy spells of sunshine, which are just about possible across eastern england, east anglia and the south east, well, temperatures here could reach 16 or even 17 degrees celsius. And then through tomorrow evening, its a case of hit and miss showers across england and wales, but more wet and more, i think, substantial rain there for Northern Ireland and also scotland. That takes us into friday. As this low pressure pulls away towards the east, on its western flank here, we have winds coming in from the norwegian sea. So its slightly colder air. If you look at the arrows, blowing in from the north, so that cooler air sliding across the uk, the temperatures will take a bit of a dip. Single figures, i think, typically for scotland, for the north of england, but still relatively mild in east anglia 1a. And i think therell be some showers around too, but also some decent spells of sunshine. And then friday night into saturday, its going to be pretty cold. A frost will develop, and i suspect in some spots out of town, temperatures could be as low as 4 Celsius Early On saturday morning. Thats not going to last very long. That sun is strong now this time of the year. Heres the outlook, then from thursday onwards its a bit of a mixed bag. Rain at times, a bit of sunshine, but actually staying relatively mild for most of us. Bye bye. Hello, im christian fraser. Youre watching the context on bbc news. A president ial rematch. Joe biden and donald trump become presumptive nominees, for novembers election. Welcome back, overnight, joe biden and donald trump officially, became the presumptive nominees for president , setting up a rematch of the 2020 election. Tuesdays primaries, confirmed what we have known for months. But both now have the necessary delegates required. They remain presumptive because they do not officially become the nominees until the conventions this summer. But it kicks off what will surely be the most important stretch of campaigning the country has witnessed in years. First stop, joe biden headed to wisconsin today open a new campaign headquarters. We can do it. Within your have power to do it