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his speech by talking about the controversy around illegal migration. specifically the row within the conservative party about rishi sunak�*s new legislation that is coming up later today for about in the house of commons. he criticised the government two one double ahead of a crucial vote ahead of the bill today.— of the bill today. there are wonder dealers a perfect _ of the bill today. there are wonder dealers a perfect example, - of the bill today. there are wonder dealers a perfect example, a - of the bill today. there are wonder| dealers a perfect example, a policy that he would never work and get the shroud continues to hundred £90 million of taxpayers money, your money spent on an exercise and a failed one at that. not a single person has been sent and even if you did sane people, we would pay for their hotels and upkeep and we would have to resettle refugees from rwanda in exchange. that is a deal that they are voting on today. that was a speech by the labour leader_ that was a speech by the labour leader and — that was a speech by the labour leader and just _ that was a speech by the labour leader and just an— that was a speech by the labour leader and just an update, - that was a speech by the labour leader and just an update, in. that was a speech by the labouri leader and just an update, injust an hour_ leader and just an update, injust an hour or— leader and just an update, in just an hourorso, _ leader and just an update, injust an hour or so, the _ leader and just an update, injust an hour or so, the house - leader and just an update, injust an hour or so, the house of- leader and just an update, in just - an hour or so, the house of commons will start— an hour or so, the house of commons will start debating _ an hour or so, the house of commons will start debating this _ an hour or so, the house of commons will start debating this new— an hour or so, the house of commons will start debating this new updated . will start debating this new updated legislation— will start debating this new updated legislation from _ will start debating this new updated legislation from the _ will start debating this new updated legislation from the government. will start debating this new updated legislation from the government onj legislation from the government on this effort_ legislation from the government on this effort to — legislation from the government on this effort to send _ legislation from the government on this effort to send some _ legislation from the government on this effort to send some asylum - this effort to send some asylum seekers— this effort to send some asylum seekers from _ this effort to send some asylum seekers from the _ this effort to send some asylum seekers from the uk _ this effort to send some asylum seekers from the uk to - this effort to send some asylum seekers from the uk to rwanda | this effort to send some asylum i seekers from the uk to rwanda for processing — seekers from the uk to rwanda for ”rocessin. �* seekers from the uk to rwanda for processing-— seekers from the uk to rwanda for ”rocessin. �* ~ , , processing. and prime minister rishi sunak had been _ processing. and prime minister rishi sunak had been hosting _ processing. and prime minister rishi sunak had been hosting a _ processing. and prime minister rishi sunak had been hosting a breakfast. sunak had been hosting a breakfast this morning for mps at downing street as he tries to convince them to back his plan to send asylum seekers to rwanda and prevent a damaging rebellion. so the bill toughens previous left —— legislation when lawyers for migrants have used human rights legislation to block their removal. the new legislation does not go as far as overriding the european convention on human rights, right—wing conservatives however are not happy about this and say mr sunak�*s plan is too weak. there is a vote as we mentioned in the house of commons today, but even if the government wins that, the legislation risks being watered down at a later date. rishi sunak will need the backing of nearly all his mps to stand a chance of getting his plan to send asylum seekers to rwanda for processing and resettlement into law. so let's take a look at some of the different factions he needs to persuade. so firstly, there is the one nation conservatives, which is perceived as the more centrist and moderate wing of the party. they have said they would recommend backing the bill. they are the largest single group within the party, numbering around 100 mp5. but the within the party, numbering around 100 mps. but the chair here you can see, damian green, has warned his mps would oppose any amendments that would risk the uk breaching the law, the rule of law and its international obligations. next, we have the european research group. 0nce have the european research group. once the most powerful grouping of tory mps who played a key part in influencing brexit has yet to decide if they will back the bill. its legal team criticised the legislation for not going far enough in ensuring flights to rwanda take off. in the group known as the new conservatives, they mostly consist of mps elected in 2019, many in marginal traditional labour or what is known as red wall seats. the new conservatives have called for radical measures to cut migration by unpicking many of the uk's many international obligations. launched international obligations. launched in 2020 and with around 30 members, the so—called common sense group is led by sirjohn hayes. a close ally of the former home secretary suella braverman. and there is the northern research group, thought to number more than 50 mps, and this was formed in 2019 to press for greater investment in red wall areas in the north of england, wales and the scottish borders. it's chairjohn stevenson believed the bill would be overwhelmingly supported by mps. and then there is the conservative growth group, which was set up in the aftermath of liz truss's short tenure at number 10 and you can see an image of her, they advocate for economic, libertarian policies and is thought to number around 50 mps. so what is the rwanda vote, why is this happening now and what happens if it is defeated? the bbc�*s analysis editor razak in his answers those key questions.— those key questions. there is an important _ those key questions. there is an important vote _ those key questions. there is an important vote coming - those key questions. there is an important vote coming up - those key questions. there is an important vote coming up in - important vote coming up in westminster with the prime minister looking to deter people arising —— arriving by boat. first, what is the rwanda vote? it is about rishi sunak�*s plan to send some asylum seekers to rwanda. this vote is specifically a new legislation designed to overcome certain legal obligations the plan has met. the opposition parties say they will vote against, but rishi sunak has a decent majority. his issue is some tory mps don't like this bill. what are their concerns? they come from two directions really. some reassurances this will respect international law, others say the bill doesn't go far enough in avoiding further legal challenges. why is this happening now? last month, the uk supreme court ruled the africa scheme is unlawful, it cited concerns that rwanda could send asylum seekers to places where they could come to harm. what does they could come to harm. what does the bill say, it says through is a safe country for asylum seekers, it prevents judges from concluding otherwise. and to do that, it bypasses certain existing uk laws, including parts of the human rights act. what happens if it is defeated? this would be a blow for rishi sunak, he has made this plan a priority and if there is a defeat, it will come in part because of the actions of his own conservative mps. what happens if it passes? better news of course for number 10, but not the end of the story. after the initial vote, there could still be amendments to this bill and there may be further legal challenges, too. ., may be further legal challenges, too. . . , may be further legal challenges, too. . too. that was the bbc's analysis ednon too. that was the bbc's analysis editor. if too. that was the bbc's analysis editor- if we _ too. that was the bbc's analysis editor. if we have _ too. that was the bbc's analysis editor. if we have been - too. that was the bbc's analysis editor. if we have been coveringj editor. if we have been covering over the past hour, the speech by the labour leader sir keir starmer, our correspondent was there. the issues around the rwanda legislation were a key focus for him, even though he is miles away in silverstone.— though he is miles away in silverstone. ,~ ., ., ., ., silverstone. yes. we are an hour or so north of— silverstone. yes. we are an hour or so north of london _ silverstone. yes. we are an hour or so north of london and _ silverstone. yes. we are an hour or so north of london and you're - silverstone. yes. we are an hour or| so north of london and you're right, yes, it was part of that speech, but it was the focus of most of the questions that sir keir got because of the political significance of the day. labour had planned this event because of a different political significance, because we are four years on exactly from the 2019 election and this was meant to be speech all about how sir keir starmer wanted to say he has taken a party on and transformed it and changed it from that election defeat. and he talked about that in his speech. but it comes on the day when of course, the rwanda bill is being debated in parliament. and so, that they had presented an opportunity for him to say, well, the conservatives while they are bound up in their infighting and you werejust talking about bound up in their infighting and you were just talking about the different factions were different groups in the conservative party, they are bound up in infighting and positioning and pursuing a policy that won't work, he has been busy transforming labour, he wants to say, into a different party from 2019, one that is about values and about delivering for working people. so for him, this is a convenient political timing and the rwanda issueis political timing and the rwanda issue is playing into the message he wants to send. you issue is playing into the message he wants to send.— wants to send. you say is a convenient _ wants to send. you say is a convenient time _ wants to send. you say is a convenient time for - wants to send. you say is a convenient time for him . wants to send. you say is a | convenient time for him and wants to send. you say is a - convenient time for him and he can possibly take advantage of the rail happening within the conservative party, but there are also key questions for labour itself, what does it offer in terms of immigration policy? to does it offer in terms of immigration policy? does it offer in terms of immiu-rationoli ? ., , immigration policy? to focus, he said, on immigration policy? to focus, he said. on the _ immigration policy? to focus, he said, on the focus _ immigration policy? to focus, he said, on the focus that _ immigration policy? to focus, he said, on the focus that his - immigration policy? to focus, he said, on the focus that his idea l said, on the focus that his idea would be to scrap the rwanda plan. he said nobody has been sent, 200 plus million pounds spent four not a single person removed. that money he said should have been spent already on a crime—fighting effort, a police effort to stop the movement of people, the smuggling of people across the channel. also, policies to process more people, more asylum seekers, to get rid of the backlog. and to deal with the huge number of cases, tens of thousands still waiting to have their applications processed. so that is where he says the focus should be on a policy that works. but questions for him about whether he would do away with the policy entirely, whether he would scrap the treaty. his focus was on saying that he wanted a policy that is practical, not one that he thinks, which he believes is all about internal conservative party positioning. a, about internal conservative party positioning-— positioning. a lot of the speech reall is positioning. a lot of the speech really is focused _ positioning. a lot of the speech really is focused on _ positioning. a lot of the speech really is focused on the - positioning. a lot of the speech l really is focused on the upcoming elections. what do you think his big pitch to voters is and do think will resonate? == pitch to voters is and do think will resonate? ., , ., ~' resonate? -- do you think it will resonate- _ resonate? -- do you think it will resonate- he — resonate? -- do you think it will resonate. he was _ resonate? -- do you think it will resonate. he was clearly - resonate? -- do you think it will i resonate. he was clearly signalling that in the speech he gave earlier, where he wanted to say that the conservatives, after four election successes, have essentially in his view run out of steam and that they do not promise change, he said. and he said he wanted to focus on while people are struggling with the cost—of—living crisis, while they are worried about going out to do their christmas shopping and wondering if they can afford it, he wants to focus on the fact he says if you want change, he has change the labour party and that is the party that would deliver something new, something different, renewal, that was part of his speech here. that is essentially his pitch. then he was talking about securing the borders and securing the economy, securing the country. so that is the heart of his message. will it work? we know that labour is 15, 20 points ahead of —— in the polls, but he pointed out today in a speech that to go from the position labour was less time in the 2019 election, loss it suffered to a simple majority will have to have an enormous swing, bigger than tony blair achieved in his historic first election. so it is a huge electoral mountain to climb. thank you very much. that is our political correspondent damian grammaticas in silverstone. it our political correspondent damian grammaticas in silverstone.- grammaticas in silverstone. it was mentioned that _ grammaticas in silverstone. it was mentioned that today's _ grammaticas in silverstone. it was mentioned that today's big - grammaticas in silverstone. it was mentioned that today's big story . grammaticas in silverstone. it was mentioned that today's big story is the vote happening at the house of commons and the government has emergency legislation to be able to send some asylum seekers to rwanda. live now to our political correspondent hannah miller at the houses of parliament. just describe the atmosphere there. it is certainly — the atmosphere there. it is certainly a _ the atmosphere there. it is certainly a tense _ the atmosphere there. it is certainly a tense day - the atmosphere there. it is certainly a tense day in - certainly a tense day in westminster. it is not every day the prime minister has backbench mps ran for breakfast to try to convince them that his is the right policy and allay concerns. we understand he is also probably coming over to parliament to meet with a separate faction of conservative mps, the one nation group, who have indicated that they are likely to back the bill tonight. they want reassurances that he won't go any further. he won't do the things that some other groups in their own party are asking the prime minister to do. so there is a real tension here. the debate will be getting under way in the house of commons shortly, where we might get some indication perhaps of how individual mps plan to vote this evening. but until seven o'clock, we won't know for certain and it is clearly a day where a lot of conversations are going on behind closed doors about the technicalities of the bill, about what happens if it is voted down, about the best course of action if you do or don't like it. there are a lot of uncertainties, a lot of conversations and quite a lot of tension, a lot more than would normally be expected at this time in the passage of the bill, for certain. �* ,., the passage of the bill, for certain. . , ., certain. and some people have mentioned _ certain. and some people have mentioned the _ certain. and some people have mentioned the possibility - certain. and some people have mentioned the possibility of. certain. and some people have | mentioned the possibility of not holding the votes this evening, how realistic is that, is that a conversation you are hearing? the speculation _ conversation you are hearing? the speculation is _ conversation you are hearing? ira: speculation is that conversation you are hearing? “11s: speculation is that if conversation you are hearing? 11's: speculation is that if the prime minister thought he was going to lose, he would probably prefer to pull the vote than to lose. but the message from downing street is very clear that this vote is going ahead, so that is certainly why this conversation is happening, because it is so on a knife edge, but that is not something coming from number 10 at the moment. they are saying very clearly they will go ahead with the vote. they think they have got the vote. they think they have got the right bill, they want to put it to the test, they think that this is the only way to get planes off the ground and going to rwanda before a general election, they say. so as things stand at the moment, we are expecting the vote to go ahead at seven o'clock, the debate is getting under way as i say very shortly. but we have heard that noise, i would say at the moment it is only noise. and before we came to you, we had been carrying the speech by the leader of labour, sir keir starmer. he told journalists he thought the legislation would

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