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fairly. _ need, if you think work should pay fairly. that — need, if you think work should pay fairly, that practices like zero—hour contracts and fire or rehire — zero—hour contracts and fire or rehire should be scrapped, and that we need _ rehire should be scrapped, and that we need a _ rehire should be scrapped, and that we need a solution for sectors like care that _ we need a solution for sectors like care that isn'tjust we need a solution for sectors like care that isn't just exploiting immigrants on lupe, if in short, you want— immigrants on lupe, if in short, you want tower— immigrants on lupe, if in short, you want lower migration and higher wages. — want lower migration and higher wages. or— want lower migration and higher wages, or even if you just want a government committed to economics to ability, _ government committed to economics to ability, the _ government committed to economics to ability, the rule of law, good public— ability, the rule of law, good public services, restoring britain's standing. — public services, restoring britain's standing, making family life more secure _ standing, making family life more secure and putting the country first, _ secure and putting the country first, then i say again, this is what — first, then i say again, this is what a — first, then i say again, this is what a changed labour party will deliver — what a changed labour party will deliver. you won't get it from a tory— deliver. you won't get it from a tory fifth — deliver. you won't get it from a tory fifth term, only a change of government can bring change to our country _ applause so, join us on this mission, because whether you are conservative who is thinkin: of whether you are conservative who is thinking of voting _ whether you are conservative who is thinking of voting labour _ whether you are conservative who is thinking of voting labour for - whether you are conservative who is thinking of voting labour for the - thinking of voting labour for the first time — thinking of voting labour for the first time or a conservative who has occasionally— first time or a conservative who has occasionally trusted as before, whether— occasionally trusted as before, whether you have always voted labour or have _ whether you have always voted labour or have absolutely no intention of voting _ or have absolutely no intention of voting labour, we will serve you. but i _ voting labour, we will serve you. but i also — voting labour, we will serve you. but i also say this, and i mean it. look— but i also say this, and i mean it. look around _ but i also say this, and i mean it. look around your country. we need you _ look around your country. we need you~ britain— look around your country. we need you. britain must come together. i believe _ you. britain must come together. i believe in — you. britain must come together. i believe in this country, i believe in it spirit. — believe in this country, i believe in it spirit. i— believe in this country, i believe in it spirit, i believe in its people. _ in it spirit, i believe in its people, in its businesses, its communities, but most of all i believe — communities, but most of all i believe that if british people see respect — believe that if british people see respect and service in their politics. _ respect and service in their politics, they will commit to the nationat— politics, they will commit to the national mission of renewal. applause so if we are privileged enough to win the _ so if we are privileged enough to win the next election, if we earn your— win the next election, if we earn your trust. — win the next election, if we earn your trust, we will set the direction, we will give britain hope. — direction, we will give britain hope, will walk together towards national— hope, will walk together towards national renewal revenue mission, to -et national renewal revenue mission, to get britain _ national renewal revenue mission, to get britain building again, take back— get britain building again, take back our— get britain building again, take back our streets, switch on great british— back our streets, switch on great british energy, get the nhs back on its feet— british energy, get the nhs back on its feet and tear down the barriers to opportunity, a britain where hard work is _ to opportunity, a britain where hard work is rewarded, aspiration is back, — work is rewarded, aspiration is back, communities have more control, politics— back, communities have more control, politics serve _ back, communities have more control, politics serve your interest and together— politics serve your interest and together we can say, in a cry of defiance — together we can say, in a cry of defiance to— together we can say, in a cry of defiance to those who write our country — defiance to those who write our country off, britain can, britain must, _ country off, britain can, britain must, britain will get its future back _ must, britain will get its future back. thank you very much. applause. thank you. thank you. thank you very nruch _ thank you. thank you. thank you very nruch thank— thank you. thank you. thank you very much. thank you. thank you all very nruch _ much. thank you. thank you all very nruch thank— much. thank you. thank you all very much. thank you. thank you all very much. thank you. we are now going to take a _ much. thank you. we are now going to take a number— much. thank you. we are now going to take a number of questions from the media _ take a number of questions from the media and _ take a number of questions from the media and let me start, if i may, with— media and let me start, if i may, with damien from the bbc.- media and let me start, if i may, with damien from the bbc. yes, your seech has with damien from the bbc. yes, your speech has been _ with damien from the bbc. yes, your speech has been all— with damien from the bbc. yes, your speech has been all about _ with damien from the bbc. yes, your speech has been all about vision - with damien from the bbc. yes, your speech has been all about vision and | speech has been all about vision and values. we have a debate today about zero under policy. can i ask you to just give us clarity on that, please? is your opposition to it practical because qsa in your speech that it won't work and will be a waste of money. or is it based on values and your moral vision? this bill will mean people that come here without authorisation seeking asylum, victims of torture, people fleeing persecution and the like, will in all likelihood be sent to rwanda and have to claim there. in your vision you are laying out the labour party's position, should those people be having those claims heard here and given sanctuary in the uk if they are found to have merit? ~ ., , ,. merit? we will oppose the scheme this evening _ merit? we will oppose the scheme this evening for _ merit? we will oppose the scheme this evening for a _ merit? we will oppose the scheme this evening for a number - merit? we will oppose the scheme this evening for a number of - this evening for a number of reasons _ this evening for a number of reasons. it will not work. it will cost _ reasons. it will not work. it will cost a — reasons. it will not work. it will cost a fortune, to hundred £90 bittion— cost a fortune, to hundred £90 billion already without a single person— billion already without a single person having gone. —— £290 million. that does— person having gone. —— £290 million. that does not— person having gone. —— £290 million. that does not mean we do not recognise _ that does not mean we do not recognise the challenge that there is with— recognise the challenge that there is with people crossing in small boats _ is with people crossing in small boats across the channel. we must stop that _ boats across the channel. we must stop that and have duty to stop it. but that _ stop that and have duty to stop it. but that does not mean gimmicks, but rotting _ but that does not mean gimmicks, but rotting our— but that does not mean gimmicks, but rolling our sleeves up with a practical— rolling our sleeves up with a practical plan that does actual work — practical plan that does actual work for— practical plan that does actual work. for me that is three parts. firstty— work. for me that is three parts. firstly smashing the criminal gangs that are _ firstly smashing the criminal gangs that are running this vile trade in the first— that are running this vile trade in the first place. people are notjust arriving, _ the first place. people are notjust arriving, there are criminal gangs and we _ arriving, there are criminal gangs and we must smash them. as chief prosecutor— and we must smash them. as chief prosecutor for england and wales, i have done _ prosecutor for england and wales, i have done this before with terrorist gangs. _ have done this before with terrorist gangs, people smugglers, it can be done _ gangs, people smugglers, it can be done that — gangs, people smugglers, it can be done. that stops people arriving in the first _ done. that stops people arriving in the first place. secondly, we must process— the first place. secondly, we must process the claims. it is astonishing that 1% of those who arrive _ astonishing that 1% of those who arrive try— astonishing that 1% of those who arrive by small boat in the last year _ arrive by small boat in the last year also — arrive by small boat in the last year also had their claims processed. 1%. the third thing is where _ processed. 1%. the third thing is where people's claims fail, we must return— where people's claims fail, we must return them — where people's claims fail, we must return them swiftly to the country they came form. that is mundane, practical. — they came form. that is mundane, practical, that will make a difference. the gimmick that is going _ difference. the gimmick that is going on— difference. the gimmick that is going on in westminster today is not going _ going on in westminster today is not going to _ going on in westminster today is not going to make the difference. never forget _ going to make the difference. never forget when the last legislation was proposed, they said it was the silver— proposed, they said it was the silver bullet and the difference and then it _ silver bullet and the difference and then it was cast out as unlawful a few months ago. we will not vote for it this _ few months ago. we will not vote for it this afternoon. now tamara from sky. it this afternoon. now tamara from s . ., it this afternoon. now tamara from s . ., " , it this afternoon. now tamara from sky. you keep telling us your party has changed _ sky. you keep telling us your party has changed fundamentally, - sky. you keep telling us your party has changed fundamentally, had i sky. you keep telling us your party has changed fundamentally, had a | has changed fundamentally, had a complete — has changed fundamentally, had a complete overhaul, _ has changed fundamentally, had a complete overhaul, voters- has changed fundamentally, had a complete overhaul, voters might i has changed fundamentally, had a i complete overhaul, voters might like to know _ complete overhaul, voters might like to know at _ complete overhaul, voters might like to know at what _ complete overhaul, voters might like to know at what point _ complete overhaul, voters might like to know at what point under - complete overhaul, voters might like to know at what point underjeremyi to know at what point underjeremy corhyn's _ to know at what point underjeremy corbyn's leadership— to know at what point underjeremy corbyn's leadership did _ to know at what point underjeremy corbyn's leadership did you - to know at what point underjeremy corbyn's leadership did you realisei corbyn's leadership did you realise your party— corbyn's leadership did you realise your party was _ corbyn's leadership did you realise your party was on _ corbyn's leadership did you realise your party was on the _ corbyn's leadership did you realise your party was on the wrong - corbyn's leadership did you realise your party was on the wrong track| your party was on the wrong track and do _ your party was on the wrong track and do you — your party was on the wrong track and do you regret _ your party was on the wrong track and do you regret staying - your party was on the wrong track and do you regret staying in- your party was on the wrong track and do you regret staying in his . and do you regret staying in his shadow— and do you regret staying in his shadow cabinet— and do you regret staying in his shadow cabinet until— and do you regret staying in his shadow cabinet until the - and do you regret staying in his shadow cabinet until the bitter| and do you regret staying in his - shadow cabinet until the bitter end? and may— shadow cabinet until the bitter end? and may i _ shadow cabinet until the bitter end? and may i also — shadow cabinet until the bitter end? and may i also asked _ shadow cabinet until the bitter end? and may i also asked on— shadow cabinet until the bitter end? and may i also asked on illegal- and may i also asked on illegal migration, _ and may i also asked on illegal migration, you _ and may i also asked on illegal migration, you have _ and may i also asked on illegal migration, you have set- and may i also asked on illegal migration, you have set out- and may i also asked on illegal migration, you have set out a i migration, you have set out a different— migration, you have set out a different approach— migration, you have set out a different approach from - migration, you have set out a different approach from the l different approach from the government's, _ different approach from the government's, do- different approach from the government's, do you - different approach from the . government's, do you believe different approach from the - government's, do you believe that approach — government's, do you believe that approach will _ government's, do you believe that approach will actually— government's, do you believe that approach will actually stop - government's, do you believe that approach will actually stop the - approach will actually stop the boats — approach will actually stop the boats or — approach will actually stop the boats or do _ approach will actually stop the boats or do you _ approach will actually stop the boats or do you think - approach will actually stop the i boats or do you think politicians shoutd — boats or do you think politicians should make _ boats or do you think politicians should make promises - boats or do you think politicians should make promises —— - boats or do you think politiciansi should make promises —— should boats or do you think politicians - should make promises —— should not make _ should make promises —— should not make promises— should make promises —— should not make promises of— should make promises —— should not make promises of that _ should make promises —— should not make promises of that nature? - should make promises —— should noti make promises of that nature? thank ou to ou make promises of that nature? thank you to you for— make promises of that nature? thank you to you for getting _ make promises of that nature? thank you to you for getting two _ make promises of that nature? you to you for getting two questions done instead of one. on the labour party. _ done instead of one. on the labour party. i— done instead of one. on the labour party, i think it's important to remember— party, i think it's important to remember i did not vote forjeremy corhyn _ remember i did not vote forjeremy corhyn to— remember i did not vote forjeremy corbyn to be leader in 2015 or 2016. i corbyn to be leader in 2015 or 2016. i resigned _ corbyn to be leader in 2015 or 2016. i resigned in— corbyn to be leader in 2015 or 2016. i resigned in 2016. i did consider that when, — i resigned in 2016. i did consider that when, as a country, we were grappting — that when, as a country, we were grappling with brexit, i had a responsibility to be an effective person— responsibility to be an effective person on the front bench for my party— person on the front bench for my party and — person on the front bench for my party and for the official opposition. along with others who are on— opposition. along with others who are on backbenchers making the argument — are on backbenchers making the argument as well, this was a huge issue _ argument as well, this was a huge issue for— argument as well, this was a huge issue for our— argument as well, this was a huge issue for our country. but we lost our way _ issue for our country. but we lost our way into _ issue for our country. but we lost our way into that 2019 election four years— our way into that 2019 election four years ago— our way into that 2019 election four years ago today, and when you lose an election — years ago today, and when you lose an election that badly, you do not look an election that badly, you do not took at _ an election that badly, you do not took at the — an election that badly, you do not look at the electorate and ask, what were you _ look at the electorate and ask, what were you thinking? you change your party _ were you thinking? you change your party. evidence of how far we have changed _ party. evidence of how far we have changed our party is that jeremy corbyn _ changed our party is that jeremy corbyn will not even stand as a candidate, _ corbyn will not even stand as a candidate, a labour candidate, at the next — candidate, a labour candidate, at the next general election. that is the next general election. that is the size _ the next general election. that is the size of— the next general election. that is the size of change we have brought about _ the size of change we have brought about in— the size of change we have brought about in this party. that is why say the current— about in this party. that is why say the current labour party is unrecognisable from the labour party put before _ unrecognisable from the labour party put before the electorate exactly four years ago today. on the second bastion~ _ four years ago today. on the second bastion~ we — four years ago today. on the second bastion. we do all one is to stop the boats — bastion. we do all one is to stop the boats i_ bastion. we do all one is to stop the boats. i do not want anybody making _ the boats. i do not want anybody making that journey across the channel, — making that journey across the channel, it is a treacherous journey, _ channel, it is a treacherous journey, evidence of a government tosing _ journey, evidence of a government losing control of our borders. but what _ losing control of our borders. but what i _ losing control of our borders. but what i want — losing control of our borders. but what i want to focus on is the practical— what i want to focus on is the practical ways in which we can achieve — practical ways in which we can achieve that. not what is a gimmick that furthers the cause of some within— that furthers the cause of some within the — that furthers the cause of some within the conservative party to have _ within the conservative party to have a — within the conservative party to have a fight with their own party, because — have a fight with their own party, because that is what is going on. they— because that is what is going on. they are — because that is what is going on. they are fighting themselves, and indulgent— they are fighting themselves, and indulgent vortex they have got themselves into. half of them have one eye _ themselves into. half of them have one eye on — themselves into. half of them have one eye on what is coming next rather— one eye on what is coming next rather than _ one eye on what is coming next rather than the practical answer to the solution. as you saw only yesterday, the permanent secretary of the _ yesterday, the permanent secretary of the home office is not willing to si-n of the home office is not willing to sign this— of the home office is not willing to sign this off for value for money and say— sign this off for value for money and say there is no evidence for deterrence. it is built on sand, not going _ deterrence. it is built on sand, not going to _ deterrence. it is built on sand, not going to wear, but that is not to say nothing will work. i want practical— say nothing will work. i want practical ways, say nothing will work. i want practicalways, based say nothing will work. i want practical ways, based on my own experience — practical ways, based on my own experience of breaking gangs, to solve _ experience of breaking gangs, to solve this— experience of breaking gangs, to solve this issue. itv. gn experience of breaking gangs, to solve this issue. itv.— experience of breaking gangs, to solve this issue. itv. on a wonder, would you — solve this issue. itv. on a wonder, would you really — solve this issue. itv. on a wonder, would you really throw _ solve this issue. itv. on a wonder, would you really throw away - solve this issue. itv. on a wonder, | would you really throw away quarter of £1 would you really throw away quarter of it million— would you really throw away quarter of £1 million of— would you really throw away quarter of £1 million of taxpayer _ would you really throw away quarter of £1 million of taxpayer money - would you really throw away quarterj of £1 million of taxpayer money paid already— of £1 million of taxpayer money paid already to _ of £1 million of taxpayer money paid already to scrap _ of £1 million of taxpayer money paid already to scrap the _ of £1 million of taxpayer money paid already to scrap the scheme - of £1 million of taxpayer money paid. already to scrap the scheme already? given _ already to scrap the scheme already? given we _ already to scrap the scheme already? given we have — already to scrap the scheme already? given we have signed _ already to scrap the scheme already? given we have signed an— given we have signed an international— given we have signed an international treaty, - given we have signed an international treaty, you given we have signed an- international treaty, you not concerned _ international treaty, you not concerned of _ international treaty, you not concerned of the _ international treaty, you not concerned of the impact - international treaty, you not concerned of the impact oni international treaty, you not. concerned of the impact on that international treaty, you not - concerned of the impact on that on our reputation _ concerned of the impact on that on our reputation if _ concerned of the impact on that on our reputation if we _ concerned of the impact on that on our reputation if we start _ concerned of the impact on that on our reputation if we start reneging| our reputation if we start reneging on deals— our reputation if we start reneging on deals like — our reputation if we start reneging on deals like that? _ our reputation if we start reneging on deals like that? and _ our reputation if we start reneging on deals like that? and he - our reputation if we start reneging . on deals like that? and he mentioned that the _ on deals like that? and he mentioned that the tory— on deals like that? and he mentioned that the tory psychodrama _ on deals like that? and he mentioned that the tory psychodrama and - on deals like that? and he mentioned that the tory psychodrama and that l that the tory psychodrama and that we are _ that the tory psychodrama and that we are being — that the tory psychodrama and that we are being dragged _ that the tory psychodrama and that we are being dragged down- that the tory psychodrama and that we are being dragged down to - that the tory psychodrama and that we are being dragged down to theirj we are being dragged down to their level and _ we are being dragged down to their level and people _ we are being dragged down to their level and people are _ we are being dragged down to their level and people are fighting - we are being dragged down to their level and people are fighting like i level and people are fighting like rats, _ level and people are fighting like rats, what — level and people are fighting like rats, what is— level and people are fighting like rats, what is the _ level and people are fighting like rats, what is the way— level and people are fighting like rats, what is the way out - level and people are fighting like rats, what is the way out of- level and people are fighting like rats, what is the way out of thisi rats, what is the way out of this and is _ rats, what is the way out of this and is it— rats, what is the way out of this and is it time _ rats, what is the way out of this and is it time for— rats, what is the way out of this and is it time for you _ rats, what is the way out of this and is it time for you to- rats, what is the way out of this and is it time for you to start i rats, what is the way out of this i and is it time for you to start kong for a _ and is it time for you to start kong for a general— and is it time for you to start kong for a general election— and is it time for you to start kong for a general election more - for a general election more aggressively? _ for a general election more aggressively? —— _ for a general election more aggressively? —— calling. for a general election more| aggressively? —— calling for for a general election more . aggressively? —— calling for a general— aggressively? —— calling for a general election. _ aggressively? —— calling for a general election. the - aggressively? -- calling for a general election.— aggressively? -- calling for a general election. the first part is about the money, _ general election. the first part is about the money, it _ general election. the first part is about the money, it has - general election. the first part is about the money, it has alreadyl general election. the first part is - about the money, it has already been spent, _ about the money, it has already been spent, wasted, it has been spent. hundreds — spent, wasted, it has been spent. hundreds of millions of pounds for nothing _ hundreds of millions of pounds for nothing. that is why i say rwanda saw the _ nothing. that is why i say rwanda saw the prime minister coming. they -ot saw the prime minister coming. they got £140 _ saw the prime minister coming. they got £140 million down payment for nothing _ got £140 million down payment for nothing. that money could have been used to— nothing. that money could have been used to bolster our cross—border used to bolster our cross— border force. _ used to bolster our cross— border force. to — used to bolster our cross—border force. to do _ used to bolster our cross—border force, to do more work to take down the gangs _ force, to do more work to take down the gangs in — force, to do more work to take down the gangs in the first place. and it has already been wasted. as for trust. _ has already been wasted. as for trust. two — has already been wasted. as for trust, two things about that. the rwanda — trust, two things about that. the rwanda treaty does not require us to send people to rwanda, it is enabling _ send people to rwanda, it is enabling that. secondly, there can be no _ enabling that. secondly, there can be no better evidence of a loss of trust _ be no better evidence of a loss of trust in _ be no better evidence of a loss of trust in the — be no better evidence of a loss of trust in the uk than the threats that have — trust in the uk than the threats that have been going on left, right and centre. — that have been going on left, right and centre, particularly in recent weeks. _ and centre, particularly in recent weeks. to— and centre, particularly in recent weeks, to break international law in order— weeks, to break international law in order to _ weeks, to break international law in order to get — weeks, to break international law in order to get this gimmick across the line. order to get this gimmick across the line that— order to get this gimmick across the line that is— order to get this gimmick across the line. that is where the damage has been _ line. that is where the damage has been done — line. that is where the damage has been done. anybody speaking to our international partners knows full well our — international partners knows full well our reputation has been tarnished. i will take you up on your— tarnished. i will take you up on your challenge. they should be a general— your challenge. they should be a general election. leaders of the opposition will always call for a general— opposition will always call for a general election, but people cannot afford _ general election, but people cannot afford to— general election, but people cannot afford to go on like this. while they— afford to go on like this. while they are — afford to go on like this. while they are having an internal party row, _ they are having an internal party row, about — they are having an internal party row, about this rwanda scheme, which is all about— row, about this rwanda scheme, which is all about the position of their party— is all about the position of their party and — is all about the position of their party and the politics of the party, while _ party and the politics of the party, while they— party and the politics of the party, while they are doing that people are doing _ while they are doing that people are doing their christmas shopping, in a cost—of—living crisis and having another — cost—of—living crisis and having another year where they cannot do what _ another year where they cannot do what they— another year where they cannot do what they want at christmas because a simple _ what they want at christmas because a simple cannot afford it. 7.7 million — a simple cannot afford it. 7.7 million people are on nhs waiting list and _ million people are on nhs waiting list and it— million people are on nhs waiting list and it has gone up waiting for operations. next year, 2024, turning into that _ operations. next year, 2024, turning into that new year, 2.3 million people — into that new year, 2.3 million people will come off their fixed mortgage payments and be paying hundreds of pounds more for the damage — hundreds of pounds more for the damage that has been done to the economy — damage that has been done to the economy. it is notjust the self—indulgence of it, it is the complete _ self—indulgence of it, it is the complete lack of governing on the things— complete lack of governing on the things that are affecting working people _ things that are affecting working people up and down the country that is so intolerable. thank you very much _ is so intolerable. thank you very much i'm — is so intolerable. thank you very much. i'm going to paul from channel 4. much. i'm going to paulfrom channel 4. good morning. just the one question- _ 4. good morning. just the one question. you _ 4. good morning. just the one question. you spoke _ 4. good morning. just the one question. you spoke at - 4. good morning. just the one question. you spoke at length | 4. good morning. just the one - question. you spoke at length about what issue _ question. you spoke at length about what issue illegal— question. you spoke at length about what issue illegal migration- question. you spoke at length about what issue illegal migration is. - question. you spoke at length about what issue illegal migration is. but i what issue illegal migration is. but at the _ what issue illegal migration is. but at the beginning _ what issue illegal migration is. but at the beginning of— what issue illegal migration is. but at the beginning of the _ what issue illegal migration is. but at the beginning of the year, - what issue illegal migration is. but at the beginning of the year, you l at the beginning of the year, you went— at the beginning of the year, you went around _ at the beginning of the year, you went around the _ at the beginning of the year, you went around the country, - at the beginning of the year, you went around the country, and - went around the country, and stopping _ went around the country, and stopping the _ went around the country, and stopping the boats _ went around the country, and stopping the boats was - went around the country, and stopping the boats was not. went around the country, and i stopping the boats was not one went around the country, and - stopping the boats was not one of the things— stopping the boats was not one of the things she _ stopping the boats was not one of the things she spoke _ stopping the boats was not one of the things she spoke about. - stopping the boats was not one of the things she spoke about. a- stopping the boats was not one of the things she spoke about. a lot| stopping the boats was not one of. the things she spoke about. a lot of voters _ the things she spoke about. a lot of voters will— the things she spoke about. a lot of voters will save _ the things she spoke about. a lot of voters will save you _ the things she spoke about. a lot of voters will save you don't _ the things she spoke about. a lot of voters will save you don't take - the things she spoke about. a lot of voters will save you don't take this. voters will save you don't take this seriously— voters will save you don't take this seriously and — voters will save you don't take this seriously and they _ voters will save you don't take this seriously and they would _ voters will save you don't take this seriously and they would have - voters will save you don't take this seriously and they would have a i seriously and they would have a point, _ seriously and they would have a point, wouldn't _ seriously and they would have a point, wouldn't they? _ seriously and they would have a point, wouldn't they?— seriously and they would have a point, wouldn't they? know, they wouldn't, because _ point, wouldn't they? know, they wouldn't, because as _ point, wouldn't they? know, they wouldn't, because as i _ point, wouldn't they? know, they wouldn't, because as i made - point, wouldn't they? know, they| wouldn't, because as i made clear point, wouldn't they? know, they i wouldn't, because as i made clear in their speeches, the five driving missions, — their speeches, the five driving missions, the purpose led government i missions, the purpose led government i intend _ missions, the purpose led government i intend the _ missions, the purpose led government i intend the next labour government to be, _ i intend the next labour government to be, sits _ i intend the next labour government to be, sits on a foundation of the basis _ to be, sits on a foundation of the basis of— to be, sits on a foundation of the basis of securing your borders being the basics — basis of securing your borders being the basics. protecting your country is the _ the basics. protecting your country is the basics. therefore that is the platform _ is the basics. therefore that is the platform on— is the basics. therefore that is the platform on which these missions stand _ platform on which these missions stand. that is why i have said i have _ stand. that is why i have said i have a — stand. that is why i have said i have a practical plan based on my experience — have a practical plan based on my experience of how we can actually deal with — experience of how we can actually deal with the challenge that is before — deal with the challenge that is before us. the driving missions are about— before us. the driving missions are about the _ before us. the driving missions are about the change we must bring to our country, the most important of those _ our country, the most important of those is _ our country, the most important of those is about wealth creation, growth, — those is about wealth creation, growth, because we have been flatlining — growth, because we have been flatlining for 13 years, and i think as people — flatlining for 13 years, and i think as people go into the ballot box at the next _ as people go into the ballot box at the next general election, they are entitled _ the next general election, they are entitled to — the next general election, they are entitled to ask themselves, do i feel any— entitled to ask themselves, do i feel any better off now than i did 13 years — feel any better off now than i did 13 years ago when this lot came into government? i think there will be millions— government? i think there will be millions of— government? i think there will be millions of people up and down the country— millions of people up and down the country who say if you ask that question. _ country who say if you ask that question, no. martina. given you have— question, no. martina. given you have once — question, no. martina. given you have once again said this morning that you _ have once again said this morning that you would scrap the have once again said this morning that you would scrap— have once again said this morning that you would scrap the rwanda plan even if it works, _ that you would scrap the rwanda plan even if it works, and _ that you would scrap the rwanda plan even if it works, and given _ that you would scrap the rwanda plan even if it works, and given the - that you would scrap the rwanda plan even if it works, and given the fact i even if it works, and given the fact other— even if it works, and given the fact other european _ even if it works, and given the fact other european countries - even if it works, and given the fact other european countries such - even if it works, and given the fact other european countries such as i other european countries such as germany— other european countries such as germany are _ other european countries such as germany are currently— other european countries such as germany are currently looking i other european countries such as germany are currently looking at| germany are currently looking at outsourcing _ germany are currently looking at outsourcing asylum _ germany are currently looking at outsourcing asylum applicationsi germany are currently looking at i outsourcing asylum applications to further _ outsourcing asylum applications to further countries, _ outsourcing asylum applications to further countries, are _ outsourcing asylum applications to further countries, are you - outsourcing asylum applications to further countries, are you againsti further countries, are you against the rwanda — further countries, are you against the rwanda scheme _ further countries, are you against the rwanda scheme in _ further countries, are you against the rwanda scheme in particulari the rwanda scheme in particular awkward — the rwanda scheme in particular awkward a — the rwanda scheme in particular awkward a labour— the rwanda scheme in particular awkward a labour government i the rwanda scheme in particular. awkward a labour government ever consider— awkward a labour government ever consider processing _ awkward a labour government ever consider processing asylum - awkward a labour government ever| consider processing asylum seekers in third _ consider processing asylum seekers in third countries? _ consider processing asylum seekers in third countries?— in third countries? thank you. firstl , in third countries? thank you. firstly. it _ in third countries? thank you. firstly. it is — in third countries? thank you. firstly, it is not _ in third countries? thank you. firstly, it is not going - in third countries? thank you. firstly, it is not going to - in third countries? thank you. | firstly, it is not going to work. in third countries? thank you. - firstly, it is not going to work. we were _ firstly, it is not going to work. we were told — firstly, it is not going to work. we were told last year the passing of the legislation would be enough for it to work— the legislation would be enough for it to work and that is what we were told _ it to work and that is what we were told i_ it to work and that is what we were told. i clearly has not happened. also. _ told. i clearly has not happened. also. when — told. i clearly has not happened. also, when asked if it works, i would — also, when asked if it works, i would like _ also, when asked if it works, i would like to find somebody who knows _ would like to find somebody who knows what that means. what does it mean? _ knows what that means. what does it mean? that— knows what that means. what does it mean? that nobody is crossing? that nobody _ mean? that nobody is crossing? that nobody comes to this country? what does it— nobody comes to this country? what does it even— nobody comes to this country? what does it even mean on the government's own terms. the direct answer— government's own terms. the direct answer to— government's own terms. the direct answer to your question is very important _ answer to your question is very important because there are various schemes— important because there are various schemes around the world where individuals are processed, usually en route — individuals are processed, usually en route to — individuals are processed, usually en route to their country of destination elsewhere. the rwanda scheme _ destination elsewhere. the rwanda scheme is _ destination elsewhere. the rwanda scheme is not one of those. this is a straight — scheme is not one of those. this is a straight deportation scheme in relation — a straight deportation scheme in relation to people who have already arrived _ relation to people who have already arrived. other countries who have schemes — arrived. other countries who have schemes where they divert people away and — schemes where they divert people away and process them elsewhere. that is _ away and process them elsewhere. that is a _ away and process them elsewhere. that is a different kind of scheme. iwill— that is a different kind of scheme. i will look— that is a different kind of scheme. i will look at any scheme that might work _ i will look at any scheme that might work i_ i will look at any scheme that might work i am — i will look at any scheme that might work. i am actually pretty clear in my own _ work. i am actually pretty clear in my own mind that unless and until we are more _ my own mind that unless and until we are more serious about smashing gangs. _ are more serious about smashing gangs, trying to deal with the other end of— gangs, trying to deal with the other end of the — gangs, trying to deal with the other end of the problem when people are already— end of the problem when people are already here is looking at it through— already here is looking at it through the wrong side, the wrong end of— through the wrong side, the wrong end of the — through the wrong side, the wrong end of the telescope. what we have at the _ end of the telescope. what we have at the moment is the government has lost control— at the moment is the government has lost control of borders, thousands of people — lost control of borders, thousands of people coming here and now saying. — of people coming here and now saying, we mightjust, very expensively, send 100 people to rwanda. — expensively, send 100 people to rwanda, that is the current capacity _ rwanda, that is the current capacity. that is looking at the wrong — capacity. that is looking at the wrong end of the telescope. i have peter _ wrong end of the telescope. i have peter from — wrong end of the telescope. i have peter from the guardian. ifi wrong end of the telescope. i have peter from the guardian.— peter from the guardian. if i can sliuhtl peter from the guardian. if i can slightly pin _ peter from the guardian. if i can slightly pin you _ peter from the guardian. if i can slightly pin you down _ peter from the guardian. if i can slightly pin you down to - peter from the guardian. if i can slightly pin you down to one - peter from the guardian. if i can slightly pin you down to one of. peter from the guardian. if i can i slightly pin you down to one of the questions — slightly pin you down to one of the questions earlier— slightly pin you down to one of the questions earlier asked. _ slightly pin you down to one of the questions earlier asked. do- slightly pin you down to one of the questions earlier asked. do you i questions earlier asked. do you think— questions earlier asked. do you think i— questions earlier asked. do you think i rwanda _ questions earlier asked. do you think i rwanda style _ questions earlier asked. do you think i rwanda style scheme i questions earlier asked. do you think i rwanda style scheme in| questions earlier asked. do you i think i rwanda style scheme in which people _ think i rwanda style scheme in which people can _ think i rwanda style scheme in which people can nod — think i rwanda style scheme in which people can nod only— think i rwanda style scheme in which people can nod only be _ think i rwanda style scheme in which people can nod only be processed i think i rwanda style scheme in which people can nod only be processed ini people can nod only be processed in another— people can nod only be processed in another country _ people can nod only be processed in another country but _ people can nod only be processed in another country but are _ people can nod only be processed in another country but are sent - people can nod only be processed in another country but are sent to i another country but are sent to another— another country but are sent to another country _ another country but are sent to another country with _ another country but are sent to another country with no - another country but are sent to i another country with no prospect of coming _ another country with no prospect of coming back— another country with no prospect of coming back is— another country with no prospect of coming back is not— another country with no prospect of coming back is not only— another country with no prospect of coming back is not only impractical| coming back is not only impractical but also _ coming back is not only impractical but also morally _ coming back is not only impractical but also morally the _ coming back is not only impractical but also morally the wrong - coming back is not only impractical but also morally the wrong thing . coming back is not only impractical| but also morally the wrong thing to do? i— but also morally the wrong thing to do? ., ., “ but also morally the wrong thing to do? ., ., 4' ., “ do? i do not think it will work, it is very expensive _ do? i do not think it will work, it is very expensive and _ do? i do not think it will work, it is very expensive and along i do? i do not think it will work, it| is very expensive and along thing do? i do not think it will work, it i is very expensive and along thing to do. is very expensive and along thing to do it— is very expensive and along thing to do it is— is very expensive and along thing to do. it is also, looking at problem at the _ do. it is also, looking at problem at the wrong end, because the question— at the wrong end, because the question is, how will you deal with trade _ question is, how will you deal with trade in _ question is, how will you deal with trade in people across the world? i would _ trade in people across the world? i would say— trade in people across the world? i would say one other thing, peter. because _ would say one other thing, peter. because there has been a lot of discussion— because there has been a lot of discussion today about cop28. if we are serious— discussion today about cop28. if we are serious about dealing with this issue. _ are serious about dealing with this issue. this — are serious about dealing with this issue, this problem, we must recognise _ issue, this problem, we must recognise that we have a responsibility to do something about what is _ responsibility to do something about what is driving people across borders _ what is driving people across borders in the first place. one of the biggest drivers is climate change _ the biggest drivers is climate change. we have an obligation to ensure _ change. we have an obligation to ensure that we do everything we can leading _ ensure that we do everything we can leading on— ensure that we do everything we can leading on the world's stage, to meet _ leading on the world's stage, to meet our— leading on the world's stage, to meet our obligations, not just to save _ meet our obligations, not just to save our— meet our obligations, not just to save our planet, but to save millions _ save our planet, but to save millions of people from journeys they might not otherwise make. i was very struck— they might not otherwise make. i was very struck by the absence of the prime _ very struck by the absence of the prime minister last week at cop28, he breezed in in the morning, breezed — he breezed in in the morning, breezed out a few hours later and was hardly— breezed out a few hours later and was hardly noticed. that is not the leadership— was hardly noticed. that is not the leadership we need on that issue, which _ leadership we need on that issue, which is _ leadership we need on that issue, which is not removed from the discussion— which is not removed from the discussion that we're having today. can i_ discussion that we're having today. can i have — discussion that we're having today. can i have sophie from the mirror? not a _ can i have sophie from the mirror? not a single — can i have sophie from the mirror? not a single graduate of the bernie grant _ not a single graduate of the bernie grant leadership— not a single graduate of the bernie grant leadership programme, i not a single graduate of the bernie grant leadership programme, the i grant leadership programme, the labour— grant leadership programme, the labour programme _ grant leadership programme, the labour programme for— grant leadership programme, the| labour programme for developing ethnic— labour programme for developing ethnic talent, _ labour programme for developing ethnic talent, has _ labour programme for developing ethnic talent, has become - labour programme for developing ethnic talent, has become an- labour programme for developing ethnic talent, has become an mp. labour programme for developing i ethnic talent, has become an mp. can i ask ethnic talent, has become an mp. can i ask you _ ethnic talent, has become an mp. can i ask you how— ethnic talent, has become an mp. can i ask you how you _ ethnic talent, has become an mp. can i ask you how you represent _ ethnic talent, has become an mp. can i ask you how you represent the - i ask you how you represent the entire _ i ask you how you represent the entire country— i ask you how you represent the entire country if _ i ask you how you represent the entire country if you _ i ask you how you represent the entire country if you fail- i ask you how you represent the entire country if you fail to i i ask you how you represent the entire country if you fail to havej entire country if you fail to have enough — entire country if you fail to have enough diversity— entire country if you fail to have enough diversity in— entire country if you fail to have enough diversity in your- entire country if you fail to have i enough diversity in your top—ranked? do you _ enough diversity in your top—ranked? do you agree — enough diversity in your top—ranked? do you agree labour— enough diversity in your top—ranked? do you agree labour must _ enough diversity in your top—ranked? do you agree labour must do - enough diversity in your top—ranked? do you agree labour must do more i enough diversity in your top—ranked?| do you agree labour must do more on this? _ do you agree labour must do more on this? we _ do you agree labour must do more on this? we have — do you agree labour must do more on this? we have just— do you agree labour must do more on this? we have just had _ do you agree labour must do more on this? we have just had breaking - do you agree labour must do more on this? we have just had breaking news| this? we have just had breaking news that an _ this? we have just had breaking news that an asylum — this? we have just had breaking news that an asylum seeker— this? we have just had breaking news that an asylum seeker has _ this? we have just had breaking news that an asylum seeker has died - this? we have just had breaking news that an asylum seeker has died on- that an asylum seeker has died on the asylum — that an asylum seeker has died on the asylum boat, _ that an asylum seeker has died on the asylum boat, can _ that an asylum seeker has died on the asylum boat, can get - that an asylum seeker has died on the asylum boat, can get your- the asylum boat, can get your response _ the asylum boat, can get your response especially— the asylum boat, can get your response especially around i the asylum boat, can get yourl response especially around the the asylum boat, can get your- response especially around the moral stance _ response especially around the moral stance on— response especially around the moral stance on the — response especially around the moral stance on the tory— response especially around the moral stance on the tory what _ response especially around the moral stance on the tory what grander- stance on the tory what grander plan~ _ stance on the tory what grander plan~ -- — stance on the tory what grander plan. -- rwanda— stance on the tory what grander plan. —— rwanda plan? - stance on the tory what grander plan. -- rwanda plan?- stance on the tory what grander plan. -- rwanda plan? firstly to representation _ plan. -- rwanda plan? firstly to representation in _ plan. -- rwanda plan? firstly to representation in the _ plan. -- rwanda plan? firstly to representation in the labour- plan. -- rwanda plan? firstly to i representation in the labour party, yes, representation in the labour party, yes. there — representation in the labour party, yes. there is — representation in the labour party, yes, there is always more to do. i want _ yes, there is always more to do. i want a _ yes, there is always more to do. i want a diverse labour party, representing all communities, we seek to _ representing all communities, we seek to serve and there is always more _ seek to serve and there is always more we — seek to serve and there is always more we can do, and the bernie grant scheme _ more we can do, and the bernie grant scheme is _ more we can do, and the bernie grant scheme is a _ more we can do, and the bernie grant scheme is a very good scheme. i am pleased _ scheme is a very good scheme. i am pleased there is good diversity in the candidates we are selecting for the candidates we are selecting for the next _ the candidates we are selecting for the next general election. do we want _ the next general election. do we want to— the next general election. do we want to step up to that challenge? absolutely. that is why we are putting — absolutely. that is why we are putting so much effort into recruiting candidates in that general— recruiting candidates in that general election. on your second point. _ general election. on your second point. i_ general election. on your second point. i am — general election. on your second point, i am afraid i simply had not seen _ point, i am afraid i simply had not seen this— point, i am afraid i simply had not seen this breaking news so i do not know— seen this breaking news so i do not know the _ seen this breaking news so i do not know the details. first and foremost, my heart goes out to the family— foremost, my heart goes out to the family and — foremost, my heart goes out to the family and friends of an individual who has— family and friends of an individual who has lost their life. i don't know— who has lost their life. i don't know the _ who has lost their life. i don't know the circumstances so i'm not trying _ know the circumstances so i'm not trying to _ know the circumstances so i'm not trying to give a full answer —— i will try— trying to give a full answer —— i will try to — trying to give a full answer —— i will try to give a full answer when i will try to give a full answer when i can _ will try to give a full answer when i can my— will try to give a full answer when i can. my condolences with those who have lost _ i can. my condolences with those who have lost their life and the family and friends will be grieving just as we speak — and friends will be grieving just as we speak. the daily mail, if i may. you said _ we speak. the daily mail, if i may. you said in— we speak. the daily mail, if i may. you said in your speech that voters had a _ you said in your speech that voters had a problem _ you said in your speech that voters had a problem with _ you said in your speech that voters had a problem with the _ you said in your speech that voters had a problem with the journey- you said in your speech that votersi had a problem with the journey your party— had a problem with the journey your party was _ had a problem with the journey your party was taking _ had a problem with the journey your party was taking even _ had a problem with the journey your party was taking even before - had a problem with the journey your party was taking even before the i party was taking even before the leadership— party was taking even before the leadership of— party was taking even before the leadership of gerry _ party was taking even before the leadership of gerry cat _ party was taking even before the leadership of gerry cat —— - party was taking even before the | leadership of gerry cat —— jeremy corbyn _ leadership of gerry cat —— jeremy corbyn 1— leadership of gerry cat -- jeremy corb n. l, , l leadership of gerry cat -- jeremy corb n. l, , a leadership of gerry cat -- jeremy corb n. t, , t w corbyn. i was reflecting the fact that we have — corbyn. i was reflecting the fact that we have lost _ corbyn. i was reflecting the fact that we have lost four _ corbyn. i was reflecting the fact that we have lost four elections| corbyn. i was reflecting the fact l that we have lost four elections in a row _ that we have lost four elections in a row i_ that we have lost four elections in a row. ithink that we have lost four elections in a row. i think it is a mistake for our party— a row. i think it is a mistake for our party to— a row. i think it is a mistake for our party to think that it was simply— our party to think that it was simply what happened four years ago today that _ simply what happened four years ago today that is the sole cause of our problem — today that is the sole cause of our problem i— today that is the sole cause of our problem. i think as a party, this is not about— problem. i think as a party, this is not about an — problem. i think as a party, this is not about an individual, ed miliband is a very— not about an individual, ed miliband is a very good member of my shadow cabinet. _ is a very good member of my shadow cabinet, leading on the climate issue. — cabinet, leading on the climate issue. and _ cabinet, leading on the climate issue, and energy. but as a party, we drifted — issue, and energy. but as a party, we drifted too far from the core function — we drifted too far from the core function of serving working people. we became too interested in debates withih_ we became too interested in debates within the _ we became too interested in debates within the labour party and not interested enough in a debate about the country, about the challenges that they— the country, about the challenges that they were facing. so this is not that they were facing. so this is hot ah— that they were facing. so this is not an attack or comment on an individual, — not an attack or comment on an individual, it is a reflection of the fact— individual, it is a reflection of the fact we have lost four elections in a row— the fact we have lost four elections in a row and — the fact we have lost four elections in a row and i am determined that we are hot— in a row and i am determined that we are not going— in a row and i am determined that we are not going to lose five elections. thank you very much. i have _ elections. thank you very much. i have got— elections. thank you very much. i have got gerry from the times. you have got gerry from the times. you have spoken — have got gerry from the times. you have spoken about your approach to tackling _ have spoken about your approach to tackling the — have spoken about your approach to tackling the migration _ have spoken about your approach to tackling the migration faces - have spoken about your approach to tackling the migration faces today . tackling the migration faces today in terms _ tackling the migration faces today in terms of— tackling the migration faces today in terms of root _ tackling the migration faces today in terms of root causes. _ tackling the migration faces today in terms of root causes. as - tackling the migration faces today in terms of root causes. as he - tackling the migration faces today i in terms of root causes. as he made cleai’, _ in terms of root causes. as he made clear. that _ in terms of root causes. as he made clear. that will — in terms of root causes. as he made clear, that will take _ in terms of root causes. as he made clear, that will take time. _ in terms of root causes. as he made clear, that will take time. rishi - clear, that will take time. rishi sunak— clear, that will take time. rishi sunak has— clear, that will take time. rishi sunak has said _ clear, that will take time. rishi sunak has said the _ clear, that will take time. rishi sunak has said the country- clear, that will take time. rishi sunak has said the country has| clear, that will take time. rishi - sunak has said the country has lost patience _ sunak has said the country has lost patience do— sunak has said the country has lost patience. do you _ sunak has said the country has lost patience. do you think _ sunak has said the country has lost patience. do you think the - sunak has said the country has lost patience. do you think the countryi patience. do you think the country will have _ patience. do you think the country will have patience _ patience. do you think the country will have patience with _ patience. do you think the country will have patience with your - patience. do you think the country will have patience with your plan l will have patience with your plan and will — will have patience with your plan and will they— will have patience with your plan and will they have _ will have patience with your plan and will they have to _ will have patience with your plan and will they have to wait - will have patience with your plan. and will they have to wait longer? let refiect — and will they have to wait longer? let reflect on _ and will they have to wait longer? let reflect on that. _ and will they have to wait longer? let reflect on that. i— and will they have to wait longer? let reflect on that. ido— and will they have to wait longer? let reflect on that. i do not- and will they have to wait longer? | let reflect on that. i do not accept that it _ let reflect on that. i do not accept that it wiii— let reflect on that. i do not accept that it will take time to smash these — that it will take time to smash these gangs. if we were dealing with terrorist _ these gangs. if we were dealing with terrorist gang operating across borders, — terrorist gang operating across borders, we wouldn't be sitting here having _ borders, we wouldn't be sitting here having a _ borders, we wouldn't be sitting here having a discussion saying, it's taking — having a discussion saying, it's taking a — having a discussion saying, it's taking a while, bear with us. we would _ taking a while, bear with us. we would say, — taking a while, bear with us. we would say, get on with it. and that is what _ would say, get on with it. and that is what happened on the operations i was part— is what happened on the operations i was part of— is what happened on the operations i was part of as chief prosecutor. we -ot was part of as chief prosecutor. we got on _ was part of as chief prosecutor. we got on with— was part of as chief prosecutor. we got on with it. we did not say, let's— got on with it. we did not say, let's take _ got on with it. we did not say, let's take our time on this. it was critical— let's take our time on this. it was critical for— let's take our time on this. it was critical for obvious reasons. the same _ critical for obvious reasons. the same human traffickers. we cannot take time _ same human traffickers. we cannot take time for people being moved across— take time for people being moved across borders. we need that urgency, _ across borders. we need that urgency, which means we need prime minister— urgency, which means we need prime minister that is not managing his own party— minister that is not managing his own party with the vote that will go on later— own party with the vote that will go on later on— own party with the vote that will go on later on today. i do not accept that that — on later on today. i do not accept that that taking time is the problem here _ that that taking time is the problem here i_ that that taking time is the problem here. i think we can get on with it. thank— here. i think we can get on with it. thank you — here. i think we can get on with it. thank you i— here. i think we can get on with it. thank you. i have martin from the express — thank you. i have martin from the exress. ., ., �* , ., . express. the home of british formula 1 is 'ust express. the home of british formula 1 isiust over— express. the home of british formula 1 is just over the _ express. the home of british formula 1 is just over the road _ express. the home of british formula 1 isjust over the road there. - iisjust over the road there. excuse _ iisjust over the road there. excuse the _ iisjust over the road there. excuse the pun, _ iisjust over the road there. excuse the pun, but- iisjust over the road there. excuse the pun, but your. iisjust over the road there. . excuse the pun, but your party iisjust over the road there. - excuse the pun, but your party is way ahead — excuse the pun, but your party is way ahead in— excuse the pun, but your party is way ahead in the _ excuse the pun, but your party is way ahead in the polls, - excuse the pun, but your party is way ahead in the polls, putting . excuse the pun, but your party is . way ahead in the polls, putting you in pole _ way ahead in the polls, putting you in pole position _ way ahead in the polls, putting you in pole position for— way ahead in the polls, putting you in pole position for a _ way ahead in the polls, putting you in pole position for a general- in pole position for a general election— in pole position for a general election victory. _ in pole position for a general election victory. is _ in pole position for a general election victory. is the - in pole position for a general election victory. is the race i in pole position for a general. election victory. is the race for number— election victory. is the race for number ten _ election victory. is the race for numberten yours— election victory. is the race for number ten yours to - election victory. is the race for number ten yours to lose - election victory. is the race for number ten yours to lose or. election victory. is the race fori number ten yours to lose or is election victory. is the race for - number ten yours to lose or is this 'ust number ten yours to lose or is this just a _ number ten yours to lose or is this just a lap _ number ten yours to lose or is this just a lap of— number ten yours to lose or is this just a lap of honour? _ number ten yours to lose or is this just a lap of honour? little— number ten yours to lose or is this just a lap of honour?— just a lap of honour? we lost the election four _ just a lap of honour? we lost the election four years _ just a lap of honour? we lost the election four years ago _ just a lap of honour? we lost the election four years ago today - just a lap of honour? we lost the | election four years ago today very badly _ election four years ago today very badly for— election four years ago today very badly. for us to get from where we landed _ badly. for us to get from where we landed to— badly. for us to get from where we landed to a — badly. for us to get from where we landed to a labour majority government will take a bigger swing than tony— government will take a bigger swing than tony blair got in 1997. that's a huge _ than tony blair got in 1997. that's a huge challenge. and i am therefore not complacent in the slightest. we have to _ not complacent in the slightest. we have to earn every single vote, we have _ have to earn every single vote, we have to _ have to earn every single vote, we have to earn — have to earn every single vote, we have to earn back the boats we lost, we have _ have to earn back the boats we lost, we have to _ have to earn back the boats we lost, we have to earn the votes we never -ot we have to earn the votes we never got in _ we have to earn the votes we never got in the _ we have to earn the votes we never got in the first place, and that is a fight _ got in the first place, and that is a fight every step of the way. that is why— a fight every step of the way. that is why every single week, i remind my shadow— is why every single week, i remind my shadow cabinet, absolutely no complacency. fight like we are five points _ complacency. fight like we are five points behind in the polls. we continue — points behind in the polls. we continue to fight are five points behind — continue to fight are five points behind all the way into this election. not for me, not for the shadow— election. not for me, not for the shadow cabinet, not for the labour party. _ shadow cabinet, not for the labour party. but— shadow cabinet, not for the labour party, but for the country. because that is— party, but for the country. because that is why— party, but for the country. because that is why we are doing this, because — that is why we are doing this, because the country cannot afford another _ because the country cannot afford another five years of this. thank you _ you. applause and i have got nick from the telegraph. if and i have got nick from the telegraph-— and i have got nick from the teleu-rah. . . , . ., telegraph. if the rwanda legislation asses, telegraph. if the rwanda legislation passes. how — telegraph. if the rwanda legislation passes, how quickly _ telegraph. if the rwanda legislation passes, how quickly would - telegraph. if the rwanda legislation passes, how quickly would you - telegraph. if the rwanda legislation i passes, how quickly would you commit to repealing _ passes, how quickly would you commit to repealing that — passes, how quickly would you commit to repealing that and _ passes, how quickly would you commit to repealing that and are _ passes, how quickly would you commit to repealing that and are you - passes, how quickly would you commit to repealing that and are you saying i to repealing that and are you saying that whilst — to repealing that and are you saying that whilst you _ to repealing that and are you saying that whilst you would _ to repealing that and are you saying that whilst you would repeal- to repealing that and are you sayingj that whilst you would repeal against it, that whilst you would repeal against it. not _ that whilst you would repeal against it. not a _ that whilst you would repeal against it. not a single _ that whilst you would repeal against it, not a single person— that whilst you would repeal against it, not a single person would - that whilst you would repeal against it, not a single person would be - it, not a single person would be sent— it, not a single person would be sent to — it, not a single person would be sent to rwanda _ it, not a single person would be sent to rwanda under— it, not a single person would be sent to rwanda under a - it, not a single person would be sent to rwanda under a labour| sent to rwanda under a labour government? _ sent to rwanda under a labour government? and _ sent to rwanda under a labour government? and can- sent to rwanda under a labour government? and can i- sent to rwanda under a labour. government? and can i follow—up sent to rwanda under a labour- government? and can i follow—up on the other— government? and can i follow—up on the other question, _ government? and can i follow—up on the other question, if— government? and can i follow—up on the other question, if rishi _ government? and can i follow—up on the other question, if rishi sunak. the other question, if rishi sunak loses _ the other question, if rishi sunak loses the — the other question, if rishi sunak loses the loads _ the other question, if rishi sunak loses the loads tonight, - the other question, if rishi sunak loses the loads tonight, shall - the other question, if rishi sunak loses the loads tonight, shall he i loses the loads tonight, shall he call a _ loses the loads tonight, shall he call a general— loses the loads tonight, shall he call a general election? - loses the loads tonight, shall he call a general election? the- call a general election? the legislation _ call a general election? the legislation is _ call a general election? the legislation is not _ call a general election? tip; legislation is not even call a general election? legislation is not even off call a general election?- legislation is not even off the ground — legislation is not even off the ground yet. it will go through tonight, _ ground yet. it will go through tonight, i_ ground yet. it will go through tonight, i don't doubt, there is a lot tonight, idon't doubt, there is a lot of— tonight, i don't doubt, there is a lot of shouting and screaming but in the end. _ lot of shouting and screaming but in the end. it — lot of shouting and screaming but in the end, it will go through, the prime — the end, it will go through, the prime minister has got an 80 seat majority~ — prime minister has got an 80 seat majority. we should not even be having _ majority. we should not even be having a — majority. we should not even be having a discussion on this. this is a government with a majority, so i don't _ a government with a majority, so i don't think— a government with a majority, so i don't think we should allow the indulgence of pretending it is going to be tight and they have done a brilliant — to be tight and they have done a brilliantjob, but he has an 80 seat majority. _ brilliantjob, but he has an 80 seat majority. it— brilliantjob, but he has an 80 seat majority, it should get over the line easily. then we have the amendments, we don't know what the state of— amendments, we don't know what the state of the _ amendments, we don't know what the state of the legislation will be. whether— state of the legislation will be. whether a lot it will come into effect — whether a lot it will come into effect... we saw the state of the last legislation, and that is why i will focus — last legislation, and that is why i will focus on a better or more effective _ will focus on a better or more effective way of dealing with the problem. if the prime minister loses the vote, _ problem. if the prime minister loses the vote, i_ problem. if the prime minister loses the vote, i think there should be a general— the vote, i think there should be a general election, and as soon as possible — general election, and as soon as possible. we are in the middle of the cost—of—living crisis, worse in this country— the cost—of—living crisis, worse in this country than many other countries _ this country than many other countries. of course i know there was covid — countries. of course i know there was covid and ukraine, but this country— was covid and ukraine, but this country has been hit harder because of the _ country has been hit harder because of the bad _ country has been hit harder because of the bad decisions of successive governments and the weak foundations they put— governments and the weak foundations they put in— governments and the weak foundations they put in place. the sooner we see they put in place. the sooner we see the back— they put in place. the sooner we see the back of— they put in place. the sooner we see the back of them the better. because millions— the back of them the better. because millions of— the back of them the better. because millions of people cannot afford to id millions of people cannot afford to go on _ millions of people cannot afford to go on with— millions of people cannot afford to go on with this government. thank you all— go on with this government. thank you all very— go on with this government. thank you all very much indeed. thank you for coming — you all very much indeed. thank you for coming. nice to see you. applause. studio: that is the conclusion of a speech by the leader of the labour party, sir keir starmer silverstone, and he was answering questions from the press. as you heard during that press conference, there is some news breaking now, which is that an asylum seeker has died on board a barge housing migrants off the south coast of england, according to the press association agency. the death is reported to have taken place on the bibby stockholm, a barge which is moored in dorset and can house around 500 people. a home office spokesperson told the bbc, we are aware of reporting of an incident involving an asylum seeker on the bibby stockholm, it would be inappropriate to comment further at this time. we can cross live now to the bbc newsroom and to our correspondent nickjohnson. nick, tell us what we know so far about this case. . , this case. there is very little we know. this case. there is very little we know- its _ this case. there is very little we know- as you — this case. there is very little we know. as you say, _ this case. there is very little we know. as you say, the - this case. there is very little we know. as you say, the home . this case. there is very little we i know. as you say, the home office had confirmed to us there has been an incident involving an asylum teacher on board bibby stockholm, barge moored off dorset. we understand from the pa news agency at an asylum seeker has died on board that barge, but the home office says it would be inappropriate to comment at this early—stage. to give you some background to that a vast barge which has been moored off the coast of dorset since july, which has been moored off the coast of dorset sincejuly, it is designed to hold around 500 asylum seekers while they are waiting for their asylum applications to be processed. small amount of people were brought on board the bibby stockholm at the end ofjuly at the beginning of august, and then a matter of days later, everyone had to be brought off again because of legionella bacteria found on board. it was then not until october that some of those asylum seekers were brought back onto the bibby stockholm, so really the first silence eager since that legionella outbreak have only been on the bibby stockholm for the past eight weeks or so, and as we are hearing from the pa news agency, they are saying and silence again has died on board that barge. the home office has said it has confirmed that an incident has happened on board the bibby stockholm, but it would be too early this stage, they say, to comment further. �* ., this stage, they say, to comment further. . . , h, further. and we are seeing some imaaes further. and we are seeing some images there _ further. and we are seeing some images there of _ further. and we are seeing some images there of the _ further. and we are seeing some images there of the bibby - further. and we are seeing some - images there of the bibby stockholm, and this is part of the government's plan, housing like this is part of the government's plan to move asylum seekers away from expensive accommodation.— seekers away from expensive accommodation. . , ~ _ accommodation. that is right. asylum seekers are frequently _ accommodation. that is right. asylum seekers are frequently housed - accommodation. that is right. asylum seekers are frequently housed in - seekers are frequently housed in hotels around the country while they are awaiting the outcome of their asylum application. the home office, when it's first came up with this bibby stockholm idea, said it would help relieve pressure on the taxpayer. as you say, claiming that it would be less expensive to accommodate asylum seekers on the barge rather than in hotels. when those asylum seekers were first brought on just before they had to be taken off the beginning of august because of that legionella outbreak, the bbc actually spoke to a number of people being brought on board who described conditions on board the bibby stockholm, one telling the bbc it felt like a prison and felt there was not enough room to accommodate the 500 people it had been designed for. another said they praised the food on board and the accommodation on board and said the barge was quite a nice place with small but tidy rooms. but this is part of government plan to, as it claims, reduce the burden on the taxpayer. so there's asylum seekers staying on the bibby stockholm, which they say would be less expensive than putting them up in hotels, which they are currently doing as well.— them up in hotels, which they are currently doing as well. thank you. that is the — currently doing as well. thank you. that is the bbc's _ currently doing as well. thank you. that is the bbc's nick— currently doing as well. thank you. that is the bbc's nick johnson - currently doing as well. thank you. that is the bbc's nick johnson in i that is the bbc's nickjohnson in our newsroom. sir keir starmer was asked about this reported death in his press conference there in silverstone and he said that even though he did not know much detail about what had happened, as thoughts were with the individual who is reported to have passed away and their family. just a recap of that press conference and that key speech by the leader of the labour party. it was held four years since the previous election in 2019, and it was slated as his pitch to tory voters across the country ahead of the next general election. he began his speech by talking

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