time with the collapse of the banks, including the two scottish banks, he had to deal with the international ramifications of the crisis by talking to finance ministers across the world and i think router that, he gain the respect of people internationally and nationally in the way that he handled the difficulties but something that we came through partly as a result of the tremendous work that he has actually done. the tremendous work that he has actually done-— the tremendous work that he has actually done. the tremendous work that he has actuall done. ~ . ,, ., actually done. when he went back to the backbenches _ actually done. when he went back to the backbenches in _ actually done. when he went back to the backbenches in 2010, _ actually done. when he went back to the backbenches in 2010, that - actually done. when he went back to the backbenches in 2010, that may l the backbenches in 2010, that may have been— the backbenches in 2010, that may have been an assumption that was his political— have been an assumption that was his political career over. but he was back_ political career over. but he was back in— political career over. but he was back in there in the referendum. | back in there in the referendum. i don't back in there in the referendum. don't think back in there in the referendum. i don't think he was desperate to do thejob the better don't think he was desperate to do the job the better together but he was the obvious choice because he could bring people together, he was also respected by his opponents, people and other side and of course, he had to do the big debates, he had to lead a campaign that had to get all parties involved. it wasn'tjust all parties involved. it wasn'tjust a one party campaign. i think you came out with people's faith in his judgment. i think he himself would have said that this is one of the most important thing is that he did. i think we have also got to remember he was a great family man. his partnership with maggie is something that was quite a wonderful thing to see and he has huge pride in the achievements of his son callum and his daughter and my thoughts are with his family. they are suffering very much today. he with his family. they are suffering very much today-— with his family. they are suffering very much today. he touched on, what was he like the — very much today. he touched on, what was he like the man _ very much today. he touched on, what was he like the man to _ very much today. he touched on, what was he like the man to work _ very much today. he touched on, what was he like the man to work with? - very much today. he touched on, what was he like the man to work with? he | was he like the man to work with? he had was he like the man to work with? he�*. had a was he like the man to work with? had a very dry was he like the man to work with? he: had a very dry sense of humour. so he looked incredibly serious sometimes but he always had something that was quite humorous to say. that's why he gain the respect of so many people that you enjoyed being in his company. he obviously was very talented, great expertise, he had trained as a lawyer and an advocate but he's always experience, fans as a councillor in edinburgh then as a member of parliament for one of the edinburgh seats and then at the same time, becoming a government minister and he said the whole 13 years of the labour government. i think people will remember a life of huge achievement that was based on a profound and strong sense of was right and wrong and compassion for people and difficulty that he showed when he was at work and pensions but also as chancellor of the exchequer. live now to ian murray, the shadow scotland secretary. you now to ian murray, the shadow scotland secretary.— scotland secretary. you knew alistair darling _ scotland secretary. you knew alistair darling personally. i scotland secretary. you knew. alistair darling personally. tell scotland secretary. you knew - alistair darling personally. tell us what he was like? i alistair darling personally. tell us what he was like?— what he was like? i think gordon brown summed _ what he was like? i think gordon brown summed him _ what he was like? i think gordon brown summed him up - what he was like? i think gordon brown summed him up there - what he was like? i think gordon | brown summed him up there with what he was like? i think gordon - brown summed him up there with his wry humour. he came with his wife maggie, that sense of humour, that sense of encouragement and that sense of encouragement and that sense of encouragement and that sense ofjust being a thoroughly decent human being will be some in that i'm sure most people will remember alistair buy. he was in the neighbouring seat of edinburgh south—west and i was in edinburgh sell. i remember he was the first person to congratulate me in 2010. he couldn't quite believe that there was a hint that we may have held on in south edinburgh and he was the first person to congratulate me and for every second a moment beyond that, he has been hugely supportive and encouraging.— that, he has been hugely supportive and encouraging. woody described him as a auide and encouraging. woody described him as a guide or— and encouraging. woody described him as a guide or mental? _ and encouraging. woody described him as a guide or mental? -- _ and encouraging. woody described him as a guide or mental? -- guide - and encouraging. woody described him as a guide or mental? -- guide or- as a guide or mental? -- guide or mental? at _ as a guide or mental? -- guide or mental? at city. _ as a guide or mental? -- guide or mental? at city. we _ as a guide or mental? -- guide or mental? at city. we would - as a guide or mental? -- guide or| mental? at city. we would resolve all the world's problems and he was certainly a guide. he was thoroughly decent and professional but he was also just a decent and professional but he was alsojust a nice person decent and professional but he was also just a nice person to decent and professional but he was alsojust a nice person to be decent and professional but he was also just a nice person to be around and his public persona and private personas were very different and when he got to know him as a person, he was certainly a giant of the labour movement and a giant of public service but he was also just a very decent person and a close friend. he a very decent person and a close friend. , ., friend. he led the better together cam aiun friend. he led the better together campaign and _ friend. he led the better together campaign and 2014. _ friend. he led the better together campaign and 2014. how - friend. he led the better together campaign and 2014. how will - friend. he led the better together campaign and 2014. how will he l friend. he led the better together. campaign and 2014. how will he be remembered in scotland, do you think? i remembered in scotland, do you think? ~' remembered in scotland, do you think? ~ �* , , think? i think you'll be remembered for his lifetime _ think? i think you'll be remembered for his lifetime of _ think? i think you'll be remembered for his lifetime of public _ think? i think you'll be remembered for his lifetime of public service - for his lifetime of public service to the councillor in edinburgh and then as an mp for decades, both in opposition and in government. he will be remembered for what he did as chancellor during the global banking crash of 2008. he not only saved the economy of the night —— of the uk but he led the way in the world's response that particular global crisis. he will be remembered and respected for that right across the financial community. he was the best person to lead a better together campaign at that time and really put the case, notjust in financial terms for why scotland should be part of the uk, but the passionate case for why scotland should stay part of the uk and the public really want that and i'm sure when he was on television debates, he and alex salmond, they had a grudging respect for each other. there was no better person at that time and i'm not sure there was any is a better person now. i time and i'm not sure there was any is a better person now.— is a better person now. i think we may forget _ is a better person now. i think we may forget so _ is a better person now. i think we may forget so many _ is a better person now. i think we may forget so many years - is a better person now. i think we may forget so many years on - is a better person now. i think we may forget so many years on just| is a better person now. i think we - may forget so many years on just how passionate all those debates were. how important was it to him that scotland remained part of the uk? it was fundamentally part of his values, he did the better together campaign because he wanted to do it for the benefit of his country and he wasted up and represented people in scotland. he was a big figure both in the uk labour government but he was calm and measured and golden brown described him as having impeachable integrity and i think that sums him up. when he was in number 11 as chancellor, i think maggie's baking helped a little bit to make sure he was the most popular chancellor for a long time.— chancellor for a long time. and he referenced — chancellor for a long time. and he referenced there, _ chancellor for a long time. and he referenced there, talked - chancellor for a long time. and he referenced there, talked about. chancellor for a long time. and he l referenced there, talked about how he was chancellor during the 2008 financial crisis in the years afterwards, he said looking back, he said the scariest moment was when the rollback and —— royal bank of scotland called him to tell him they would run out money that afternoon. that he talk about those days at all and how it was to be chancellor at that time? he and how it was to be chancellor at that time? ., and how it was to be chancellor at that time? . ., ~ that time? he did and he talked about the tremendous - that time? he did and he talked - about the tremendous responsibility but he also talks about how difficult it was —— how difficult things were at that time. he was getting calls from notjust the royal bank of scotland, it would have taken the whole world's finance with it. this wasn'tjust about the banking sector in that sort of way, it was about people being able to goad the cashpoint and getting cash, people accessing their wages, this was about the entirety of how people live. he made sure that ordinary people did not suffer. we live. he made sure that ordinary people did not suffer.— people did not suffer. we do appreciate — people did not suffer. we do appreciate your _ people did not suffer. we do appreciate your time. - people did not suffer. we do appreciate your time. thank| people did not suffer. we do - appreciate your time. thank you for coming out and talking to us about your guide, alistair darling. i’m your guide, alistair darling. i'm deel your guide, alistair darling. i“n deeply saddened and shocked at the sad passing of alistair darling. i want to give my condolences to his wife margaret and of course his children and friends. he was a giant of scottish politics, uk politics andindeed of scottish politics, uk politics and indeed of the labour movement and indeed of the labour movement and i know everybody who knew him will not forget his big intellect but also his courteous, respectful character and manner as well. he was a big adversary. _ character and manner as well. he was a big adversary. of— character and manner as well. he was a big adversary, of course _ character and manner as well. he was a big adversary, of course during - a big adversary, of course during the referendum campaign. what was he like to— the referendum campaign. what was he like to deal_ the referendum campaign. what was he like to deal with as an adversary was? _ like to deal with as an adversary was? he— like to deal with as an adversary was? ., ., like to deal with as an adversary was? . ., ,., ., like to deal with as an adversary was? . ., ., , ., , , ., was? he made a point of stopping to congratulate — was? he made a point of stopping to congratulate me, _ was? he made a point of stopping to congratulate me, even _ was? he made a point of stopping to congratulate me, even though - was? he made a point of stopping to congratulate me, even though we i was? he made a point of stopping to| congratulate me, even though we are from different political parties. he also said to me discreetly, if you want to pick up the phone and you want to pick up the phone and you want a chat about a bit of advice, i will always treat that with confidence and give you the best advice when i can. i think a mark of his character. even though we were from different parties, if it was in the best interest of scotland and the best interest of scotland and the country, he was away willing to help. he was involved in some that debates, he was one of the leading voices of the better together campaign. i have spoken some of my colleagues who were involved in that campaign. the one thing they always comment on is the fact that he was always respectful, courteous, even during those sometimes heated exchanges. during those sometimes heated exchanges-— exchanges. what you think is olitical exchanges. what you think is political legacy _ exchanges. what you think is political legacy will _ exchanges. what you think is political legacy will be? i i exchanges. what you think is. political legacy will be? i think ou'll be political legacy will be? i think you'll be remembered - political legacy will be? i think you'll be remembered for i political legacy will be? i think i you'll be remembered for ensuring there was a level of stability after there was a level of stability after the financial crash. i think he is a big piece of scottish and uk politics and has a long and distinguished career, particularly of presenting the city he loved. just before we take you back to the covid inquiry. the former health secretary told the inquiry that in hindsight, the uk should have locked down earlier. imilli hindsight, the uk should have locked down earlier-— down earlier. with hindsight, italy havin: down earlier. with hindsight, italy having lockdown _ down earlier. with hindsight, italy having lockdown initially _ down earlier. with hindsight, italy having lockdown initially locally i down earlier. with hindsight, italyj having lockdown initially locally on the 21st of january and then nationally lockdown around also the 28th of february, if at that moment, having seen the sage assumptions, which they didn't properly adopt but you have had this scientists on that. if at that moment, we had realised that it was definitely coming and the reasonable worst case scenario was thus awful as it was, that was the moment that we should have acted and if we had had the doctrine that i propose which was as soon as you knew you had to lock down, you had to lock down as soon as possible, then we would have had it done that weekend, 2nd of march, three weeks earlier. we would have been six doubling is ahead of where we were which means that fewer of the tenth of the people would have died in the first wave. at the time, there was still enormous uncertainty. the number of cases was still very low. there were only 12 cases reported. the cost of what i am proposing were and huge. so i defend the action that were taken by the government at the time, knowing what we did but with hindsight, that's the moment we should have done it, three weeks earlier and it would have saved many lives. matt hancock is still _ would have saved many lives. matt hancock is still giving evidence at the inquiry. let's listen back in. if you accept that proposition. the uk government— if you accept that proposition. the uk government wasn't _ if you accept that proposition. the uk government wasn't planning i if you accept that proposition. thel uk government wasn't planning its response _ uk government wasn't planning its response between— uk government wasn't planning its response betweenjanuary, - uk government wasn't planning its i response betweenjanuary, february response between january, february march _ response between january, february march on _ response between january, february march on what — response betweenjanuary, february march on what italy— response betweenjanuary, february march on what italy was _ response betweenjanuary, february march on what italy was doing. if. response betweenjanuary, february march on what italy was doing. if i l march on what italy was doing. if i can march on what italy was doing. can explain, if you think that you've only got a limited period of lockdown you can put in place, the timing of that lockdown matters and watching the italian curve was the best way of thinking what would happen here and so the italy data were important in that sense. and then he had to date, compared to italy, when two bring in lockdown. my italy, when two bring in lockdown. my point is not about whether or not it is right to base yourself off italy, my point is the whole doctrine of waiting, allowing it to come towards you and hold and now we 90, come towards you and hold and now we go, that was wrong. the moment you need a lockdown, you need to lockdown. i need a lockdown, you need to lockdown-— need a lockdown, you need to lockdown. .,~ ., ., lockdown. i was making a point for the absence _ lockdown. i was making a point for the absence of— lockdown. i was making a point for the absence of any _ lockdown. i was making a point for the absence of any confusional- the absence of any confusional doubt — the absence of any confusional doubt there _ the absence of any confusional doubt. there was _ the absence of any confusional doubt. there was no _ the absence of any confusional doubt. there was no approach| the absence of any confusional- doubt. there was no approach taken by the _ doubt. there was no approach taken by the uk _ doubt. there was no approach taken by the uk government _ doubt. there was no approach taken by the uk government necessarily . by the uk government necessarily based _ by the uk government necessarily based on — by the uk government necessarily based on the _ by the uk government necessarily based on the italian _ by the uk government necessarily based on the italian approach. i by the uk government necessarily| based on the italian approach. ho, based on the italian approach. no, it was that italy _ based on the italian approach. it was that italy was an example. the second point is this, that the clinical— the second point is this, that the clinical advice _ the second point is this, that the clinical advice as _ the second point is this, that the clinical advice as you _ the second point is this, that the clinical advice as you describe i the second point is this, that the clinical advice as you describe it. clinical advice as you describe it yourself, — clinical advice as you describe it yourself, that's— clinical advice as you describe it yourself, that's going _ clinical advice as you describe it yourself, that's going early- clinical advice as you describe it i yourself, that's going early would limit effectiveness. _ yourself, that's going early would limit effectiveness. that - yourself, that's going early would limit effectiveness. that is - limit effectiveness. that is obviously _ limit effectiveness. that is obviously and _ limit effectiveness. that is obviously and plainly i limit effectiveness. that is obviously and plainly an i limit effectiveness. that is i obviously and plainly an issue relevant — obviously and plainly an issue relevant to _ obviously and plainly an issue relevant to a _ obviously and plainly an issue relevant to a lockdown - obviously and plainly an issue i relevant to a lockdown decision, obviously and plainly an issue - relevant to a lockdown decision, and mandatory _ relevant to a lockdown decision, and mandatory stay _ relevant to a lockdown decision, and mandatory stay at _ relevant to a lockdown decision, and mandatory stay at home _ relevant to a lockdown decision, and mandatory stay at home order - relevant to a lockdown decision, and i mandatory stay at home order because that is— mandatory stay at home order because that is obviously— mandatory stay at home order because that is obviously the _ mandatory stay at home order because that is obviously the ultimate - that is obviously the ultimate decision _ that is obviously the ultimate decision. it's _ that is obviously the ultimate decision. it's a _ that is obviously the ultimate decision. it's a stay _ that is obviously the ultimate decision. it's a stay at - that is obviously the ultimate decision. it's a stay at homel that is obviously the ultimate - decision. it's a stay at home backed by force _ decision. it's a stay at home backed by force of— decision. it's a stay at home backed by force of law _ decision. it's a stay at home backed by force of law. to _ decision. it's a stay at home backed by force of law. to what _ decision. it's a stay at home backed by force of law. to what extent i decision. it's a stay at home backed| by force of law. to what extent does that behavioural _ by force of law. to what extent does that behavioural fatigue _ by force of law. to what extent does that behavioural fatigue notion i that behavioural fatigue notion explain — that behavioural fatigue notion explain or— that behavioural fatigue notion explain or mitigate _ that behavioural fatigue notion explain or mitigate either- that behavioural fatigue notion i explain or mitigate either delays in the system — explain or mitigate either delays in the system of— explain or mitigate either delays in the system of operation _ explain or mitigate either delays in the system of operation of - the system of operation of government. _ the system of operation of government, or— the system of operation of government, or in - the system of operation of government, or in the i the system of operation of - government, or in the promulgation of plans, _ government, or in the promulgation of plans, or— government, or in the promulgation of plans, or in— government, or in the promulgation of plans. or in any— government, or in the promulgation of plans, or in any failure _ government, or in the promulgation of plans, or in any failure just- government, or in the promulgation of plans, or in any failure just to i of plans, or in any failure just to say how— of plans, or in any failure just to say how it — of plans, or in any failure just to say how it was, _ of plans, or in any failure just to say how it was, control- of plans, or in any failure just to say how it was, control is - of plans, or in any failure just to say how it was, control is lost, i of plans, or in any failure just to i say how it was, control is lost, the wave _ say how it was, control is lost, the wave is— say how it was, control is lost, the wave is coming, _ say how it was, control is lost, the wave is coming, we— say how it was, control is lost, the wave is coming, we must- say how it was, control is lost, the. wave is coming, we must practically act now _ wave is coming, we must practically act now where _ wave is coming, we must practically act now. where do _ wave is coming, we must practically act now. where do we _ wave is coming, we must practically act now. where do we put _ wave is coming, we must practically act now. where do we put the i act now. where do we put the behavioural— act now. where do we put the behavioural fatigue _ act now. where do we put the behavioural fatigue fallacy i act now. where do we put thel behavioural fatigue fallacy into act now. where do we put the i behavioural fatigue fallacy into the general— behavioural fatigue fallacy into the general picture? _ it had an impact on this it —— on the decision both to recommend actions to the public, which is an mpi, because communications are an mpi. and the mandatory decisions which came thereafter. notably, the

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