very long 2a hours. james cleverly who i mentioned just then replaced... i mentioned david cameron... james cleverly replaced her as home secretary and you can see a picture ofjames her as home secretary and you can see a picture of james cleverly now... and i am being told, i keep hearing david cameron in my year... but i can't see david cameron in the street so i'm just going to focus on reminding you all of this reshuffle. let me start from the top to keep it simple. suella braverman was sacked yesterday, she was replaced byjames cleverly who is now the home secretary, we saw him coming up the street a few moments ago, james cleverly was foreign secretary, he's now been replaced by former british prime minister david cameron who isn't here yet despite what people were telling me. in the health brief was steve barclay but he's no longer in health, he's been moved to environment secretary replacing coffey. the new health secretary is victoria atkins, another key move, important given the cost of living crisis, is laura trott who replaces john glenn as chief secretary to the treasury. another big move, given that we are in the year ahead before a likely general election is that the conservative party now has a new chairman, richard holden, replacing greg hands. a bit of a mouthful but we got through all of the main moves in yesterday's reshuffle, and i think the big blockbuster move was the return of former prime minister david cameron to the top table. that cabinet is going to be meeting this morning. a lot of reporters eagerly awaiting for mr cameron to make the short walk, the foreign office is just over my shoulder past the cameras. it is not a very long walk to get to number 10 downing st. lots of people waiting to get that photo of people waiting to get that photo of mr cameron making his political comeback as foreign secretary. let's take a broader look at all the events of the last 2a hours or so with this report from our political correspondent hannah miller. rishi sunak reaching out for help from a former prime minister. david cameron back in the corridors of power and already keeping busy, meeting the indian foreign minister on his first day in the newjob, and speaking to his us counterpart, secretary blinken. morning, sir. do you have any regrets about the greensill lobbying? but his private meetings since leaving the office of prime minister have led some to raise questions, lobbying the government on behalf of collapsed finance firm greensill capital, showing a significant lack ofjudgement, according to a parliamentary committee, a matter david cameron insists is in the past. as far as i'm concerned, that is all dealt with and in the past and i now have onejob as britain's foreign secretary, as part of rishi sunak�*s team to try and make sure this country can be as secure and as prosperous in a difficult and dangerous world. at the lord mayor's banquet, always a forum for foreign policy, the prime minister said his new foreign secretary will build on the achievements of the past year. these are deeply challenging times for our world. events far beyond our shores echo here at home, with implications for our security, our economy, and our very social fabric. it falls to us to do everything we can to shape these events. we will shortly be heading to buckingham palace to see her majesty the queen, where i'll tender my resignation as prime minister. opposition parties have been quick to ask whether bringing back a prime minister who left office seven years ago, is really the fresh start rishi sunak claims to offer. the prime minister promised change, and one thing this reshuffle isn't is change. it won't change the fundamental problems of the country. it won't do anything to fix the cost of living, or nhs waiting lists. and the only way to get real change is to get rid of this failed tory government. well, it doesn't sound like change that rishi sunak told us— he's going to give, - it sounds like desperation. and frankly, he really can't appoint someone to the house _ of lords quite that easily. but there are a number of other ministers in new roles at the cabinet table this morning. the former foreign secretary, james cleverly, is now home secretary, replacing suella braverman. victoria atkins becomes health secretary, replacing steve barclay, who's been moved to environment secretary. and so, with a new team in place, rishi sunak is making his mark on downing street. but as he tilts slightly towards the centre in what he hopes will be an appeal to the country, will his party unite behind him? hannah miller, bbc news. sarah, a busy day ahead as well. maybe not as frenetic as yesterday morning because it was about 2k hours ago that my colleague chief political correspondent henry zeffman created a viral moment, didn't you? you were incredibly shocked to see mr cameron walk up the street. i think most people in westminster were. we are waiting for him to walk up again, maybe you will not be a shock today.— not be a shock today. certainly not as shocked- _ not be a shock today. certainly not as shocked. we _ not be a shock today. certainly not as shocked. we have _ not be a shock today. certainly not as shocked. we have been - not be a shock today. certainly not as shocked. we have been hearingj as shocked. we have been hearing more about _ as shocked. we have been hearing more about the _ as shocked. we have been hearing more about the circumstances - as shocked. we have been hearing more about the circumstances andj as shocked. we have been hearing - more about the circumstances and the chats and conversations that going back into the cabinet. tell us about that. ~ . , back into the cabinet. tell us about that. ., , ., that. what is fascinating as will end overnight, _ that. what is fascinating as will end overnight, widely - that. what is fascinating as will end overnight, widely reported | that. what is fascinating as will. end overnight, widely reported this morning, is the first conversations took place in the flat above there were david cameron used to live. victoria atkins was the new health secretary... here he is, we will pause for a second. the secretary... here he is, we will pause for a second.— secretary... here he is, we will pause for a second. the new health secretary there. _ pause for a second. the new health secretary there. will _ pause for a second. the new health secretary there. will you _ pause for a second. the new health secretary there. will you cut - secretary there. will you cut waitinu secretary there. will you cut waiting lists, _ secretary there. will you cut waiting lists, victoria - secretary there. will you cut | waiting lists, victoria atkins? there isn't much in her binder yet. there isn't much in her binder yet. there isn't much in her binder yet. there is plenty in her intro politically because health care will be part of the election campaign and that's one of the reasons why that import demic appointment is fascinating, she's been around a long time and a ministerfor a long time but has not been in the cabinet before and rishi sunak clearly thinks she's the person who in a general election campaign in the year or so we have beforehand, can convince the public that the conservative party can get waiting lists under control and begin to sort out the nhs in england. back to the question — sort out the nhs in england. back to the question we _ sort out the nhs in england. back to the question we were _ sort out the nhs in england. back to the question we were talking - sort out the nhs in england. back to the question we were talking about, | the question we were talking about, the question we were talking about, the circumstances around mr cameron's return. we have more details now. we cameron's return. we have more details now-— cameron's return. we have more details now. ~ ., ., ., ., details now. we hear lord cameron me er not details now. we hear lord cameron meyer got to _ details now. we hear lord cameron meyer got to saying _ details now. we hear lord cameron meyer got to saying that, _ details now. we hear lord cameron meyer got to saying that, he - details now. we hear lord cameron meyer got to saying that, he had i details now. we hear lord cameron | meyer got to saying that, he had his first conversations with rishi sunak in the flat where rishi sunak lives and david cameron used to live last tuesday. that is only a week or so ago, so quite a fast turnaround. but nevertheless it's crucially before suella braverman defied number 10 batsman authority to place a controversial article in the times. many people assumed that was the reason she was sacked as home secretary sparking this reshuffle. it appears downing street had lost patience with her and began thinking about this reshuffle and a sensational return of a former pm before that article. mas sensational return of a former pm before that article.— before that article. was suella braverman _ before that article. was suella braverman the _ before that article. was suella braverman the trigger - before that article. was suella braverman the trigger even i before that article. was suella - braverman the trigger even before then, or was thisjust braverman the trigger even before then, or was this just about mr sunak making a kind of defining reshuffle ahead of a general election? it reshuffle ahead of a general election? , . ., , reshuffle ahead of a general election? ,. ., , ,, .,~ election? it is clear rishi sunak, downin: election? it is clear rishi sunak, downing street, _ election? it is clear rishi sunak, downing street, the _ election? it is clear rishi sunak, | downing street, the government election? it is clear rishi sunak, - downing street, the government had just got fed up with suella braverman. because last thursday wasn't the first time that cabinet ministers going on the airwaves to talk about whatever the policy of the day was, had been sidetracked by having to explain whether they agreed with all onto to distance themselves from the latest controversial thing suella braverman said. a couple of days before that times article she made an incendiary claim that for some homeless people being homeless was a lifestyle choice, welsh secretary stays in place. suella braverman claimed last week that for some people have been homeless was a lifestyle choice and that drove lots of conservative mps of the it is fair to say, and there was complaint after complaint going into the chief whip from all rungs of the conservative party and a lot of the conservative party and a lot of wings of the conservative party archaeologically saying you have to give the home secretary under control, rishi sunak did so by appointing a new home secretary. it is a big day in cabinet because it is a big day in cabinet because it is a big day in cabinet because it is a reset, claire coutinho going on now... big reset. how do you think it will be having a former prime minister at the cabinet table? it’s minister at the cabinet table? it's a stranue minister at the cabinet table? it�*s a strange combination. claire coutinho has not been the energy secretary long. when she was appointed she was the first member of the 2019 intake, the first mp elected in 2019 to join the cabinet. you have this strange dual thing, she hasjoined now, other 2019 intake, laura trott, energy secretary, richard holden... here we io, secretary, richard holden... here we no, there secretary, richard holden... here we go. there is— secretary, richard holden... here we go, there is mr cameron. _ secretary, richard holden... here we go, there is mr cameron. are - secretary, richard holden... here we go, there is mr cameron. are you - go, there is mr cameron. are you lookin: go, there is mr cameron. are you looking forward _ go, there is mr cameron. are you looking forward to _ go, there is mr cameron. are you looking forward to your— looking forward to your first cabinet _ looking forward to your first cabinet meeting? can looking forward to your first cabinet meeting?— looking forward to your first cabinet meetin: ? ., , ,, ., ~ cabinet meeting? can rishi sunak turn it around, _ cabinet meeting? can rishi sunak turn it around, lord _ cabinet meeting? can rishi sunak turn it around, lord cameron? - cabinet meeting? can rishi sunak. turn it around, lord cameron? good to have the old boss back andrew mitchell? laughter henry, it is quite funny, because for our viewers will stand here and shout these questions and the odds of the questions actually being answered are very slim, aren't they? we have had one answer so far today, esther mcvey, the minister without portfolio, was asked as she came in, are you going to bring common sense to the cabinet and she said yes, that's because, though this was not in the official government rubric, not every civil service term, she was reported to be the minister for common sense, she embraced it walking to cabinet this morning. what was interesting was the laughter, we saw mr cameron, lord cameron, chuckle a bit because of course he probably didn't even expect to be back here if you asked him six months ago.— him six months ago. certainly, and interestin: him six months ago. certainly, and interesting that _ him six months ago. certainly, and interesting that he _ him six months ago. certainly, and interesting that he walked - him six months ago. certainly, and interesting that he walked in - him six months ago. certainly, and interesting that he walked in with l interesting that he walked in with andrew mitchell. andrew mitchell attends cabinet, he is not a full secretary of state, is effectively the number two in the foreign office, he has the development portfolio. andrew mitchell 13 years ago was international development secretary when it was a separate department when david cameron was prime minister. now they are working closely together again in circumstances i guess neither of them ever anticipated, but in the same department this time. it is also fascinating because when he was plain old david cameron, a private citizen, he was very critical of the government's decision on the boris johnson to wind—up the department for international development and fold it into the foreign office, now is lord cameron, is foreign and development secretary he has responsibility for the sprawling portfolio. responsibility for the sprawling ortfolio. , portfolio. interesting he went in with andrew _ portfolio. interesting he went in with andrew mitchell _ portfolio. interesting he went in with andrew mitchell as - portfolio. interesting he went in with andrew mitchell as well. i portfolio. interesting he went in i with andrew mitchell as well. yeah that's right, andrew mitchell will be his deputy. he will have to do lots of stuff in the house of commons that lord cameron because he is lord, will not be able to do and we will see a lot more of andrew mitchell as the parliamentary face of the government's foreign policy. will have to release you to go to bbc radio 5 live, so there is a plug, if you can't get enough henry you can turn on your radio but do stay with us because we would rather you did and henry will be with us throughout the morning. i'm joined by sir alan throughout the morning. i'm joined by siralan duncan, throughout the morning. i'm joined by sir alan duncan, a former conservative mp. morning. good morninu. conservative mp. morning. good morning- how — conservative mp. morning. good morning. how are _ conservative mp. morning. good morning. how are you _ conservative mp. morning. good morning. how are you today? i conservative mp. morning. good l morning. how are you today? very well, morning. how are you today? very well. thank — morning. how are you today? very well, thank you, _ morning. how are you today? very well, thank you, and _ morning. how are you today? very well, thank you, and buoyed i morning. how are you today? very well, thank you, and buoyed by. morning. how are you today? very| well, thank you, and buoyed by the shuffle yesterday which i think we'll lend extra authority and competence to the government, overall very good news. you have worked in — overall very good news. you have worked in the _ overall very good news. you have worked in the foreign _ overall very good news. you have worked in the foreign office, i overall very good news. you have worked in the foreign office, you| worked in the foreign office, you have been a minister there, so you know a thing or two about how it works. if you had to give advice to mr cameron, what would it be? lard mr cameron, what would it be? lord cameron, mr cameron, what would it be? lord cameron. no — mr cameron, what would it be? lord cameron, no longer— mr cameron, what would it be? ii_;r'7"i cameron, no longer minister. mr cameron, what would it be? lord cameron, no longer minister. i- cameron, no longer minister. i apologise, siralan. cameron, no longer minister. i apologise, sir alan. i'm - cameron, no longer minister. i apologise, sir alan. i'm not. cameron, no longer minister. i. apologise, sir alan. i'm not fussy about these _ apologise, sir alan. i'm not fussy about these things, _ apologise, sir alan. i'm not fussy about these things, personally, l apologise, sir alan. i'm not fussy l about these things, personally, but let's get it right. i was andrew mitchell's deputy, and as henry said he'll be the main spokesman on foreign affairs in the commons because david cameron in the lords. you have a good team there. i think my advice is, david cameron has to stop and think for a second about the fact he is not prime minister. he's never been a minister beneath the prime minister before. so the role is subordinate to the prime minister. i think he will handle that very well. personally i don't think it will be a problem. but it does mean that he is there notjust at the top of the pile saying i want it this way, he is part of the broader team. it this way, he is part of the broaderteam. i it this way, he is part of the broader team. i think he strengthens that team. as a former prime minister he is going to be a known and respected figure on the world stage. by the way, let me say something aboutjames stage. by the way, let me say something about james cleverly. i think he earned a good reputation of the world stage for his impeccable good manners, his nice personality, and having followed some difficult foreign secretaries, if i could put it that way, he actually i think did a lot to heal the relationships which had been strained by his predecessors. sojames which had been strained by his predecessors. so james cleverly, i think, deserves a lot of praise for his conduct as foreign secretary, which by the way was very difficult in one sense which is that a lot of the foreign policy was just sort of set perhaps too rapidly by number 10, often freezing out the proper processes in the foreign office. now that david cameron is there, i hope that david cameron is there, i hope that the foreign and development office will be re—empowered and will be restored to its proper position of influence, knowledge and advice within the wider government system. you mention that the idea that now lord cameron has to be a subordinate around the cabinet table. sir alan, how do you think other members of cabinet are going to take to him being back in thejob, back in the house, i should say, this morning around the table? i house, i should say, this morning around the table?— around the table? i think they are auoin to around the table? i think they are going to like _ around the table? i think they are going to like it. _ around the table? i think they are going to like it. some _ around the table? i think they are | going to like it. some experience, and as i say, authority, being injected into the cabinet will be quite invigorating. i think it will be very well received. one little tiny aspect of this is, how will he as a member of the lords mix with members of parliament? because obviously the commons is the dominant power in our parliamentary system. as a former member of parliament, although in the lords, he can go into some of those rooms in the commons like the members supposed to dining room and what is called the smoking room, although there is no longer any smoking, which will allow him to mix with members of the commons on a social basis. if he was just a member of the house of lords and had not been a member of the house of commons, you don't have access to those rooms in the same way. i would recommend that he uses that access to mix with members of the commons so that they feel settled about his position as foreign secretary in the lords. sir alan duncan says david cameron needs to visit the smoking room more. there is no smoking, honest! laughter let me ask about the nitty—gritty of foreign policy. there is a conflict raging in the middle east. there is also a war continuing in ukraine. how do you think lord cameron will handle the uk's position on these? i think on ukraine there is a clear policy on that and i think he will be able to strike up a good relationship very quickly with president zelensky, and with any other members of the ukrainian government. of course he's had experience in dealing with russians in the past. so i think i would say he has quite a strong hand to play in the interactions that are inevitably going to emerge further on ukraine. on the middle east, i think it is going to need a lot of thinking because he, having dealt with netanyahu in the past, i think he has to accept that netanyahu government became very, very extreme and was very, very unpopular in israel. and i suspect that until october the 7th majority opinion in israel was far more moderate and liberal than the netanyahu liberal than the meta nyahu government's liberal than the netanyahu government's image was. so i think he has to tuning to that and appreciate that although, of course, there has to be a vigorous response to what hamas did on october the 7th, there is a very long—standing in the middle east which is decades old which has its origin in the israelis are illegally trying to take their neighbours' land, that's the starting point which i think all politicians and i would urge commentators as well to return, and please always ask someone when giving an interview with them, do you accept that actually un resolutions saying that taking palestinians' land is illegal is something you accept? and if you don't, then you can then realise you are dealing with an extremist in our midst. ,, ~ ., , ., ., midst. 0k. sir alan 'ust moving away from foreign _ midst. ok. sir alan 'ust moving away from foreign office i midst. ok. sir alan just moving away from foreign office politics, - midst. ok. sir alan just moving away from foreign office politics, do i midst. ok. sir alan just moving away from foreign office politics, do you l from foreign office politics, do you think lord cameron coming back to the top team is going to make a difference in the next general election campaign? i difference in the next general election campaign?— difference in the next general election campaign? i think so, it will. the question _ election campaign? i think so, it will. the question is _ election campaign? i think so, it will. the question is whether i election campaign? i think so, it will. the question is whether it i will. the question is whether it will. the question is whether it will be marginal or can it really lead to some kind of seismic recovery, as the conservatives are way behind in the polls at the moment. and i think it will be helpful in contrast, inasmuch as the labour front bench has some very weak personalities. it doesn't really have many people of substance. the thing about david cameron coming back is he does have substance, as i think many other members of the cabinet do. i don't see that in the opposition. i think the main tone of politics in the uk at the moment is they have fallen out of love with the conservatives but they have not fallen in love with labour. that means there is quite a lot to play for and i think pitching personalities against each other will put us in a better light compared with labour. sir other will put us in a better light compared with labour.— compared with labour. sir alan duncan, thank _ compared with labour. sir alan duncan, thank you _ compared with labour. sir alan duncan, thank you for - compared with labour. sir alan duncan, thank you for sharing | compared with labour. sir alan i duncan, thank you for sharing your insights, giving your experience in the foreign office. good to have you this morning on bbc news. while i was talking to sir alan duncan, many more members of the cabinet were walking through the back door behind me. it is a big day because it is the first cabinet meeting since rishi sunak�*s major reshuffle yesterday. yesterday everyone was talking about the return of david, now lord, cameron to the cabinet table and we saw him earlier walking into downing street with andrew mitchell. i'mjoined into downing street with andrew mitchell. i'm joined now by lucy fisher, the whitehall editor for the financial times, very good to have you with us, lucy. a cast of old and new faces walking through the door this morning. new faces walking through the door this morning-— this morning. interesting and i thou~ht this morning. interesting and i thought it _ this morning. interesting and i thought it was _ this morning. interesting and i thought it was striking - this morning. interesting and i thought it was striking that i this morning. interesting and i l thought it was striking that lord cameron, as he now is, was accompanied by andrew mitchell who will be the most senior foreign minister in the commons to be representing the government. they will clearly be something of a double act given lord cameron will not be able to answer questions on his brief in the commons from the elected representatives in our democracy. it is worth reminding our view that that is because david cameron effectively retired from front—line cameron effectively retired from front-line politics— cameron effectively retired from front-line politics when he left his home here _ front-line politics when he left his home here a _ front-line politics when he left his home here a number— front-line politics when he left his home here a number of _ front-line politics when he left his home here a number of years i front-line politics when he left his home here a number of years ago| front-line politics when he left his i home here a number of years ago and therefore doesn't sit in the house of commons. he was made a lord yesterday but when you don't sit in the house of commons you can't answer questions from mps and can't be held to account in the same way that an mp who is in the cabinet would. as you say, andrew mitchell is sort of his de facto other half politically, isn't he? i is sort of his de facto other half politically, isn't he?— is sort of his de facto other half politically, isn't he? i suppose it is like a political _ politically, isn't he? i suppose it is like a political marriage i politically, isn't he? i suppose it is like a political marriage of- is like a political marriage of sorts. i think we will see them interacting very closely. i think also interesting with david cameron, that's only one of many concerns that's only one of many concerns that tory mps have been airing in the past 2a hours. a lot of scrutiny on his lobbying activity since he left office, including the greensill lobbying scandal which led the treasury select committee to accuse him of a serious lack ofjudgment, quite harsh criticism from a former prime minister and one he hasn't really answered yet. he was asked by the bbc�*s chris mason yesterday about that criticism. he simply sought to draw a line under it and said that was all dealt with at the time. i think that will come back. a third aspect to this is he will now be inheriting a set of foreign policy stances that are markedly different from those that he pursued when he was prime minister, notably on europe when he of course try to renegotiate britain's cosmic relationship with the eu and of course on china where he was the architect of the golden era of anglo chinese relations. that is a source of great concern to many tory mps, sino sceptics, who believe that was a mistake to make a misstep in the uk's and foreign policy of the past decade or so. all eyes will be on him to see how he handles that now he's in charge of the uk's foreign policy. he's in charge of the uk's foreign oli . �* , . .. he's in charge of the uk's foreign policy. let's talk about some of those differences. _ policy. let's talk about some of those differences. you - policy. let's talk about some of i those differences. you mentioned china but the most obvious one is the differences when it comes to europe because when we last saw mr cameron here when he left office it was because he was a remainer prime minister campaigning in the referendum which his side lost. that's one of the reasons he's been so keen to make a comeback. i spoke to a number of his close friends and allies yesterday off the record, who said he and george osborne, his then chancellor, left office, in some ways, at the height of their powers. there is a sense of unfinished business. not in terms of brexit and reprising that argument, i think thatis reprising that argument, i think that is firmly settled and i'm sure he has made clear his views on that before taking up the role and indeed being offered by rishi sunak. but it is a sore spot for the right who feel they faced a purge with the exit of suella braverman from the cabinet. we saw rishi sunak appoint esther mcvey, a right—winger, part of the blue—collar tory tradition, in this minister without portfolio role, what has been dubbed minister for common sense. she was one of the first to turn up this morning looking happy to be back attending cabinet. herappointment looking happy to be back attending cabinet. her appointment hasn't assuaged the right who feel they have been routed in this reshuffle. it has been 2a hours since suella braverman was sacked. where do you think her next moves might be? we have not heard much more. there was a brief statement that said they will be more to come. we are waiting for that. irate will be more to come. we are waiting for that. ~ ., ,, ., . ., , for that. we are. she made clear she will say more — for that. we are. she made clear she will say more in _ for that. we are. she made clear she will say more in due _ for that. we are. she made clear she will say more in due course. - for that. we are. she made clear she will say more in due course. people | will say more in due course. people around her say that there is now a grade of the right—wingers. there will be more interventions this week. the key moment will come tomorrow when we hear from the supreme court, its verdict on the romantic deportation policy of the government. romantic deportation policy of the government-— romantic deportation policy of the rovernment. ., ,, , ., _ , government. thank you, lucy fisher. as i was government. thank you, lucy fisher. as i was talking _ government. thank you, lucy fisher. as i was talking to _ government. thank you, lucy fisher. as i was talking to lucy _ government. thank you, lucy fisher. as i was talking to lucy more - as i was talking to lucy more members of the cabinet entered downing street. steve barclay who moved from health to environment. david, lord, cameron, going to the cabinet meeting as well to discuss his return to front line politics and joined by alistair burt, a former conservative mp who worked in the foreign office during lord cameron's premiership. how do you feel about this new cabinet? bier? feel about this new cabinet? very leased feel about this new cabinet? very pleased david _ feel about this new cabinet? , pleased david cameron is back. feel about this new cabinet? very i pleased david cameron is back. what will he do differently? there has been lots of talk about how he will been lots of talk about how he will be a continuity foreign secretary in most senses. what do you think he will do differently? i most senses. what do you think he will do differently?— will do differently? i share the views of alan _ will do differently? i share the views of alan duncan - will do differently? i share the views of alan duncan who i will do differently? i share the i views of alan duncan who answered your questions extremely well. david cameron brings a great deal of experience into a specialised role as foreign secretary. it is not your normal partisan party political role. the foreign affairs world is very hierarchical. you only have to go to the conferences to see the huddles that take place between the senior members. you have diplomats, ambassadors and others who gather and help make decisions. the key work is done by a small group of senior players. a former prime minister carries a great deal of weight. david cameron particularly. he will be able to engage in those conversations just as james cleverly did. i agreed with alan, james was an excellent foreign secretary and will be a good home secretary in what is an extremely difficult brief. david cameron will bring world experience which he had in the past. he comes into office at a time of maximum crisis for the united kingdom. the ripples of what is happening in the middle east will not go down very quickly. this is a situation which has changed the middle east quite profoundly. it is not going back to where it was. david cameron will be heavily involved in that.— involved in that. indeed. lucy mentioned — involved in that. indeed. lucy mentioned some _ involved in that. indeed. lucy mentioned some of _ involved in that. indeed. lucy mentioned some of the i involved in that. indeed. lucy mentioned some of the key i mentioned some of the key differences, in particular his position on china when he was prime minister, and of course the most obvious one, the fact he campaigned to remain in the european union in a referendum that ended up with the leeds campaign winning. that referendum that ended up with the leeds campaign winning.— leeds campaign winning. that was seven years _ leeds campaign winning. that was seven years ago- _ leeds campaign winning. that was seven years ago. the _ leeds campaign winning. that was seven years ago. the fact - leeds campaign winning. that was seven years ago. the fact that i leeds campaign winning. that was seven years ago. the fact that the | seven years ago. the fact that the country has moved on and politics has moved on is important. —— the leeds campaign. the prime minister understands this is a party has long been an issue, and having had somebody who was at the heart of the campaign to remain in the eu but who like virtually everybody else accepts the situation where we are is quite important. it is also important because the relationship to be built with the european community is something david cameron will be good at because people know how he campaigned to remain in the eu, they will know he appreciates what the eu stands for and what it does and he can work with it. it is essential for the uk does and he can work with it. it is essentialfor the uk moving forward that it does, so he brings that element. ., ., , ., , ., element. you say it was a number of ears aro element. you say it was a number of years ago and _ element. you say it was a number of years ago and people _ element. you say it was a number of years ago and people moved - element. you say it was a number of years ago and people moved on. i element. you say it was a number of l years ago and people moved on. there are clearly lots of conversations that continue in the country and in the conservative party and there will be brexiteers who want to ensure that lord cameron delivers that promise to the letter of what they want. that promise to the letter of what the want. ~ , ., they want. the prime minister and foreian they want. the prime minister and foreign secretary _ they want. the prime minister and foreign secretary will _ they want. the prime minister and foreign secretary will set - they want. the prime minister and foreign secretary will set the i foreign secretary will set the policy for brexit. you are trying to stir up the old in and out argument i don't think you will be very successful. there is no political drive to reopen the referendum or anything like that. the labour party isn't campaigning for it. we deal with the consequences of the vote by the british people. david cameron didn't vote for it and nor did i. we now have a situation where we are working with our partners on the continent and need to continue to do so. bringing him back into a conservative government gives the conservative government gives the conservative party a clear hint that anyone who does want to keep the embers alive of the argument should really recognise that it is in the country's interest that we move into a position of working closely with our partners from a position outside the eu. david cameron will represent that position perfectly well. you obviously worked with him and he were in the foreign office when you did that. what is he like to work with? what advice would you give to members around the cabinet table who have not had close contact with him in this way? he is fluent and pick things up very quickly but he is a sharply analytical. i worked with him during the arab spring crisis when of course the foreign office's major guide was william hague, another first—rate foreign secretary. but david cameron is collegiate, he knows his own mind. he is able to make decisions. i have sat with him in some situations where the uk was facing some good choices and he is good at that. he listens to people and i think he will be very collegial member of cabinet. when people want an opinion, they will get it, which is quite right, but they will get it in