coalition that we have to thank for the disruption we are seeing on our roads today. for the disruption we are seeing on our roads today-— roads today. for now, suella braverman — roads today. for now, suella braverman will _ roads today. for now, suella braverman will return - roads today. for now, suella braverman will return to - roads today. for now, suella braverman will return to the | braverman will return to the backbenches. it seems unlikely, though, she'll do it quietly. helen catt, news, westminster. a day of big moves in westminster, notjust a day of big moves in westminster, not just the departure a day of big moves in westminster, notjust the departure of suella braverman, but david cameron back in front line politics as foreign secretary and home secretary is now james cleverly. they have been a number of other notable moves, not least the departure of steve barclay from the health brief, that's been taken by victoria atkins, and i'm joined by our health editor hugh pym to discuss that particular move. what do you make of vicky atkins being moved to thatjob? there what do you make of vicky atkins being moved to that job? being moved to that “ob? there has been talk about — being moved to that job? there has been talk about steve _ being moved to that job? there has been talk about steve barclay - being moved to that job? there has l been talk about steve barclay moving on, so the health world had thought they might get a new health and social care secretary and they have. victoria atkins, very interesting, she arrives from the treasury, financial secretary to the treasury, now secretary of state for health and social care, largely covering england. and she walked straight into crucial talks with the doctor's union, the british medical association, and officials and ministers over pay, you will remember the strikes causing hundreds of thousands of cancelled operations and appointments. talks have been under way for a while now and there is a possibility of movement and constructive progress with the consultants, the senior doctors. we don't know so much about thejuniors. it is a critical stage of these talks because the last thing the health world wants is this industrial action to continue over the winter. the other thing she arrives to is an in tray with a whole lot of pressure is emerging over winter, whole lot of pressure is emerging overwinter, warnings that it will be difficult. she comes from the treasury at a time when the treasury said no to a £1 billion request by nhs england forfunding to said no to a £1 billion request by nhs england for funding to cover the costs of strikes, covering gaps in rotors during doctors strikes. she will have to cross from one brief to another and actually hear about the potential consequences of those nhs financial questions with nhs england already warning that some nonurgent treatment will have to be slowed down or postponed because of those cost issues. fix, down or postponed because of those cost issues. �* , ~ down or postponed because of those cost issues-— cost issues. a bit like some of the other roles _ cost issues. a bit like some of the other roles we _ cost issues. a bit like some of the other roles we discussed - cost issues. a bit like some of the other roles we discussed this - other roles we discussed this morning. there have been quite a lot of movements in the role of health secretary in the recent years since the covid crisis.— secretary in the recent years since the covid crisis. yes, we had jeremy hunt before — the covid crisis. yes, we had jeremy hunt before the _ the covid crisis. yes, we had jeremy hunt before the covid _ the covid crisis. yes, we had jeremy hunt before the covid crisis, - the covid crisis. yes, we had jeremy hunt before the covid crisis, matt i hunt before the covid crisis, matt hancock arrived in 2018 and he was health secretary for much of the pandemic. then a sajid javid and then steve barclay briefly. then he stood down in a change of leadership under liz truss, therese coffey took over the brief, then she was replaced by steve barclay coming back to help. it is a very difficult job. there are more than i back to help. it is a very difficult job. there are more thani million employees in the nhs. in england it has a very large budget, £150 billion. there is always this debate about whether it needs more money, whether it has the ability to be more efficient. she will have to get up more efficient. she will have to get up to speed on that quickly. the other issue is prevention and the obesity strategy which has been basically stalled in england for the last couple of years. measures to cut back on the promotion of unhealthy foods in supermarkets and on tv and online have been put on hold effectively. she will have to walk into that agenda. her husband has a senior role in the sugar industry. she will have to tread carefully there.— carefully there. that is a useful bit of information. _ carefully there. that is a useful bit of information. just - carefully there. that is a useful bit of information. just briefly, | bit of information. just briefly, this all comes ahead of a general election, likely at some point next year, we don't know when exactly. health is a key issue on the doorstep. health is a key issue on the doorstep-— health is a key issue on the doorstep. health is a key issue on the doorste. , ., doorstep. absolutely. if you look at ollin: doorstep. absolutely. if you look at polling about _ doorstep. absolutely. if you look at polling about what _ doorstep. absolutely. if you look at polling about what people - doorstep. absolutely. if you look at polling about what people consider| polling about what people consider to be the most important issue for them, polling of voters, cost of living is very high up there. but the state of the nhs is always not far behind. the big question is how much can be done ahead of an election to change things. the waiting lists for planned surgery and appointments keeps rising, 7.77 million the last time we got the figures. the pledge by rishi sunak is to reduce the waiting list. the predictions are it will carry on rising until next summer. again, something victoria atkins will have to look hard at to see if there is anything that can be done. 0pponents anything that can be done. opponents of the conservatives will say it is lack of funding and several issues going back many years that have contributed to these problems. hugh . m, contributed to these problems. hugh ' m, thank contributed to these problems. hugh pym. thank you _ contributed to these problems. hugh pym. thank you for _ contributed to these problems. hugh pym, thank you for the _ contributed to these problems. hugh pym, thank you for the update. we just discussed the role of the new health secretary and the challenges they face. the real blockbuster move todayis they face. the real blockbuster move today is the return of former pm david cameron to one of the great offices of state. in case you hadn't noticed, he is now foreign secretary. we have been getting more reaction to that point. this is what sir lindsay hoyle had to say. i don't usually discuss urgent questions but today i received one, rather than discuss the matter in the chamber i thought it would be better for me to set out my thoughts on the particular issue involving the procedures of this house. the house will be aware that the prime minister today has appointed the right honourable david cameron, secretary of state for foreign and commonwealth development affairs. this is not the first time in recent years that a cabinet minister has been appointed in the house of lords. but given the gravity of the current international situation, this is especially important that this is especially important that this house is able to scrutinise the work of the foreign, commonwealth & development office effectively. i have therefore commissioned advice from the clerks about possible options for announcing security of the work of the foreign secretary when that post is filled by a member of the other house. i also look forward to hearing the government's proposals of how the foreign secretary will be properly accountable to this house. i do not propose to respond to points of order on this subject today until the advice i have referred to has been received, till i have heard the government's proposals. i can assure the house i am fully aware of the need for the honourable and right honourable members to be able to hold the government to account, especially at the current time. i shall do everything i can to ensure we are able to do so. aha, shall do everything i can to ensure we are able to do so.— we are able to do so. a lot of reaction _ we are able to do so. a lot of reaction coming _ we are able to do so. a lot of reaction coming in _ we are able to do so. a lot of reaction coming in on - we are able to do so. a lot of reaction coming in on the - reaction coming in on the appointment of david cameron to the foreign office. snp mp ian blackford says this is a critical point at any time but especially during conflict in ukraine in the middle east. mps are sent to westminster to scrutinise and hold the government to account. we cannot do that if the foreign secretary is not accountable to the commons. it is called democracy. and of course, let's not forget david cameron who has had a back seat in political life since leaving number 10, back seat in political life since leaving number10, he back seat in political life since leaving number 10, he isn't an mp, but in orderfor him to have some kind of accountability, rishi sunak made him a lord today so he will now sit in the house of lords. but there are some including ian blackford who feel that doesn't really make him as accountable as if he was a member of parliament, which of course he no longer is. there will probably be more reaction on that as the afternoon progresses but let's listen to mark harper, transport secretary, for his reaction to david cameron's appointment. i secretary, for his reaction to david cameron's appointment.— cameron's appointment. i was in david cameron's _ cameron's appointment. i was in david cameron's government, i l cameron's appointment. i was in i david cameron's government, i was chief whip, he is a team player, the pm has brought him in to strengthen the team mad at a time when foreign affairs are incredibly important with what is going on in ukraine, the conflict in the middle east, having a really experienced player at the top table is a good move and i look forward to working with him in the months to come.— in the months to come. suella itraverman — in the months to come. suella braverman sacked _ in the months to come. suella braverman sacked as - in the months to come. suella braverman sacked as home i in the months to come. suella - braverman sacked as home secretary this morning, as was possibly expected, again, what is your reaction — expected, again, what is your reaction to that? lots of people on the right— reaction to that? lots of people on the right of— reaction to that? lots of people on the right of the conservative party are not— the right of the conservative party are not happy now. rishi sunak will have a _ are not happy now. rishi sunak will have a problem keeping the right of the party— have a problem keeping the right of the party on site. the have a problem keeping the right of the party on site-— the party on site. the pm today is strengthening _ the party on site. the pm today is strengthening his _ the party on site. the pm today is strengthening his team. - the party on site. the pm today is strengthening his team. the - strengthening his team. the important thing is to focus on working as a teen in government delivering the pm's agenda and priorities. those are the country's priorities. those are the country's priorities and it's important we all work together. those are the changes he is making today and i welcome the appointments he has announced. we will see more of them later on today. it is about strengthening the team and delivering the pm's priorities, and i'm sure the conservative parliamentary party will rally behind, make the arguments in the months to come and make the arguments for the country. some positive reaction they're from mark harper, the transport secretary about the appointment of david cameron to the foreign office. of course, shock in many ways to return for the former pm who is back front line politics. i'm stilljoined by henry zeffman, a political correspondent. ijust henry zeffman, a political correspondent. i just looked henry zeffman, a political correspondent. ijust looked at what ian blackford had to say. it was interesting. he feels david cameron as foreign secretary sitting in the lords rather than commons cannot be held to account in the same way. given he is foreign secretary, presiding over loss of crises, including ukraine and middle east, he does not think being abroad is enough. do you think that is a widely held view across politics? it is a widely held concern. we saw in the house of commons sir lindsay hoyle, the common speaker, asking that question, looking into how the house of commons can hold david cameron to account because with the crisis in the middle east and ukraine and other places besides, james cleverly, david cameron's predecessor as foreign secretary, coming to the house of commons dispatch box regularly to face questions from mps. we should note, this is not the first time this has happened. in the grand sweep of the british constitution there have been plenty of secretaries of state from the house of lords. it hasn't been the house of lords. it hasn't been the done thing recently but you don't have to go that far back to see peter mandelson, lord, ishould say, brought back into government by gordon brown in 2008, put in the house of lords instantly in order to do so, just like rishi sunak with david cameron today. he was business secretary and effectively deputy pm. there is precedent, albeit the first time there has been a foreign secretary from the lords since lord carrington, margaret thatcher's first foreign secretary. it is a concern mps will hold. i will be fascinated by who ends up being deputy foreign secretary because i'm sure rishi sunak will want to give david cameron a strong deputy because they will be handling a lot of those house of commons moments that otherwise david cameron, lord cameron, as i should probably soon be calling him once the king has sealed his letters page potent, whatever it is called. i sealed his letters page potent, whatever it is called.— sealed his letters page potent, whatever it is called. i thought you called him the _ whatever it is called. i thought you called him the king! _ whatever it is called. i thought you called him the king! vasin - whatever it is called. i thought you called him the king! vasin about i called him the king! vasin about seven years _ called him the king! vasin about seven years' time _ called him the king! vasin about seven years' time at _ called him the king! vasin about seven years' time at this - called him the king! vasin about seven years' time at this rate! i called him the king! vasin about. seven years' time at this rate! we talked to hugh pym about steve barclay leaving the health brief, victoria atkins is there now, and some of the challenges and one of the things that struck me in my conversation with him was how key after the cost of living crisis the nhs is when it comes to an election. there is no election where the nhs isn't at the heart of things. this election probably more so than ever. it will be the first election since the coronavirus pandemic. it threw up the coronavirus pandemic. it threw up all sorts of interesting public policy questions about how the government handled that and perhaps how the government should have handled it. rishi sunak at the start of the year made cutting waiting lists, there is a big backlog in operations after covid, cutting waiting lists a test of his government. it is a test he is failing, they have gone up. victoria atkins will have to come up with a way to get them down, but also to get the public feeling at a general election like they can trust her to get them down after a general election, much easier said than done. steve barclay struggled with that. it will be a big political issue going forward and rishi sunak has put a lot of trust in her. hew? has put a lot of trust in her. henry zeffman, thank _ has put a lot of trust in her. henry zeffman, thank you. _ has put a lot of trust in her. henry zeffman, thank you. we _ has put a lot of trust in her. henry zeffman, thank you. we are - has put a lot of trust in her. henry zeffman, thank you. we are going has put a lot of trust in her. henry i zeffman, thank you. we are going to move from downing street for a bit and cross to the funeral of the manchester united and england legend sir bobby charlton who died a few weeks ago. let'sjoin my sir bobby charlton who died a few weeks ago. let's join my colleague 0lly foster. ma ny 0lly foster. many thanks indeed. 0ver 0lly foster. many thanks indeed. over the last hour we have had the memorial service for sir bobby charlton here at manchester cathedral. the guests are just beginning to leave now. i've just seen some of the manchester united first team including harry maguire, leave by the north entrance here at manchester cathedral. prince william, the president of the football association, left a couple of minutes ago. it was a short, fairly simple service. russell watson, the opera singer, was one of those contributing. david gill, the former chief executive, was one of those giving a reading and eulogy. sir bobby charlton's wife, lady noel malcolm and andrea were here and the cortege is making its way from the other side of the cathedral and leaving the cathedral. there will be awake at old trafford. and a private committal, sir bobby charlton's burial tomorrow closer to the family home in cheshire. 0ver burial tomorrow closer to the family home in cheshire. over 1000 burial tomorrow closer to the family home in cheshire. 0ver1000 guests were in here, former team—mates from that great united side of the 60s, former colleagues across the years of manchester united where he was a director of the club as well, an association with manchester united of 70 years when he signed amateur forms with manchester united at the age ofjust 15, when they spotted his talent is playing for northumberland schools. he signed as a 15—year—old and now the funeral procession is making its way from manchester cathedral passing 0ld manchester cathedral passing old trafford on the way here. there was a guard of honourfrom the under 18s and under 21s manchester united sides and it paused in front of the famous united at trinity statute symbolising the great three players that symbolised that great manchester united all conquering team of the 60s george best denis law and sir bobby himself, that over the past three weeks or so has become such a focal point, a shrine for people to go and pay their condolences, to give floral tributes, signed the book of condolences, over 80,000 signatures over condolences, over 80 , 000 signatures over the condolences, over 80,000 signatures over the past few weeks after the passing of sir bobby charlton at the age of 86just passing of sir bobby charlton at the age of 86 just a few days after he suffered a fall and the complications that came from that at a nursing home in knutsford in cheshire a few miles away from here. a wonderful array of guests including gareth southgate, amongst others. sir alex ferguson. others. siralex ferguson. former team—mates from the european cup winning side, 1968, alec stepney, we spoke to the goalkeeper before he in talking about what a wonderful player sir bobby charlton was. and of course the numbers and statistics bear that out. 758 appearances for manchester united, 249 goals, records that stood for decades. 106 caps for england, 49 goals as well. despite all his successes with manchester united, which is why he is so revered in this city by the red half of the city, his england achievements as well. 1966, winning the world cup in that home world cup. we will see if we can get one of the guests in here, my colleague gary lineker. you are live on bbc news. you have come out from the memorial service. news. you have come out from the memorialservice. such news. you have come out from the memorial service. such a sad a few weeks since sir bobby charlton left us, but also a chance to celebrate what a wonderful man and a player he was. ~ , ,., y what a wonderful man and a player he was. ~ , ,., , ., , what a wonderful man and a player he was. n, , ., what a wonderful man and a player he was. �* , ., ., was. absolutely. he was more than 'ust a was. absolutely. he was more than just a footballer _ was. absolutely. he was more than just a footballer in _ was. absolutely. he was more than just a footballer in many _ was. absolutely. he was more than just a footballer in many ways. - just a footballer in many ways. 0bviously brought us a lot of success as a country under tremendous amount of success as football club. but i think it was perhaps how he was as a person that he will be remembered as much as anything else. he was a kind, generous, lovely human being. he is synonymous with the word football. you could go anywhere in the world, in places where they don't speak english, and perhaps they would say one thing to you and that was bobby charlton. that shows his fame and also how much respect and love he has around the world. the congregation _ has around the world. the congregation today, - has around the world. the congregation today, can you talk us through elements of the service that stood out? �* ., , through elements of the service that stood out? �* ._ , , , stood out? always with these things, the are stood out? always with these things, they are quite — stood out? always with these things, they are quite emotive, _ stood out? always with these things, they are quite emotive, meaningful, | they are quite emotive, meaningful, and a chance for everyone to pay their respects. just to see the turnout and the people from the world of football is testament to the man. ., ., , ., the man. the generations today will look at lionel— the man. the generations today will look at lionel messi _ the man. the generations today will look at lionel messi and _ the man. the generations today will look at lionel messi and cristiano i look at lionel messi and cristiano ronaldo, these icons of the game, but his numbers and stats stood the test of time. from that grainy footage most of us have seen. just an enormous talent. what he brought to a football field. he is probably england's greatest ever footballer. looking back, obviously the unique achievement of winning a world cup, european championships, many titles for manchester united in a record england goal—scorerfor for manchester united in a record england goal—scorer for a for manchester united in a record england goal—scorerfor a long time, record scorerfor england goal—scorerfor a long time, record scorer for manchester united for a long time. he is probably our best player. you are one of those chasing his records at one point for a goal scoring. i chasing his records at one point for a goal scoring-— a goal scoring. i got quite close. i almost feel— a goal scoring. i got quite close. i almost feel out _ a goal scoring. i got quite close. i almost feel out of _ a goal scoring. i got quite close. i almost feel out of respect - a goal scoring. i got quite close. i almost feel out of respect it - a goal scoring. i got quite close. i almost feel out of respect it was l almost feel out of respect it was better i didn't beat him! itruihat almost feel out of respect it was better i didn't beat him! what does he mean to — better i didn't beat him! what does he mean to manchester— better i didn't beat him! what does he mean to manchester united? i better i didn't beat him! what does| he mean to manchester united? his association lasted 70 years. signing amateur forms as a 15—year—old. going through the tragedy, surviving the munich air disaster, helping them rebuild around him. and being a director of the club. he was a constant thread that ran through this manchester united for decades. remarkable career, one club man. not just during his career, it was after it, you would see in games on the television screens, and what he achieved for this club, to play 700 odd games, scoring well over 200 goals. just an extraordinary footballer. for both club and country. footballer. for both club and count . . ~ footballer. for both club and count . ., ,, ., footballer. for both club and count . ., ., , ., country. thank you for sharing your thou~hts. country. thank you for sharing your thoughts- gary _ country. thank you for sharing your thoughts. gary lineker _ country. thank you for sharing your thoughts. gary lineker who, - country. thank you for sharing your thoughts. gary lineker who, as - country. thank you for sharing your thoughts. gary lineker who, as he | thoughts. gary lineker who, as he was saying, was one of those players chasing sir bobby charlton's all scoring record with england and falling just short. many guests are just leaving now. lou macari's manchester united career crossed over with sir bobby charlton's towards the end. your thoughts on the service?— the service? brilliant, 'ust like sir bobby charlton _ the service? brilliant, just like sir bobby charlton who - the service? brilliant, just like sir bobby charlton who was i sir bobby charlton who was brilliant. i did cross over, came to old trafford at 24 and sir bobby charlton was 36 and i couldn't believe what he had. he had everything. i have played at celtic and i knew all about manchester united. when i came to united, he knew everything about me, i was a nobody and he knew i had played for celtic, he knew the manager of celtic, he knew the manager of celtic and what he stood for, discipline and everything. the players that had won the european cup, he reeled them off and told me how many games they have played. never spoke about himself, but i did. i said you have been here a number of years. just remarkable, 17 years at old trafford —— 70 years at old trafford. years at old trafford -- 70 years at old trafford-_ old trafford. longer than that reall , old trafford. longer than that really, because _ old trafford. longer than that really, because it _ old trafford. longer than that really, because it was - old trafford. longer than that really, because it was an - really, because it was an association that didn't just start association that didn't just start as a 15—year—old. we spoke to bryan robson before the service and just like you touched on, how bobby charlton had a word for all the new signings to make sure they knew what manchester united was about. i signings to make sure they knew what manchester united was about.- manchester united was about. i came from scotland — manchester united was about. i came from scotland to _ manchester united was about. i came from scotland to try _ manchester united was about. i came from scotland to try and _ manchester united was about. i came from scotland to try and make - manchester united was about. i came from scotland to try and make a - manchester united was about. i came | from scotland to try and make a name for myself at manchester united and trying to take his place in the team. i was treading carefully in what i was saying and everything. what i got from him was encouragement. his days were over, he said but he wished me all the best and i asked him how you succeed at manchester united and he said trying to do what i have done. i said i will never do what you have done! you have been coming 17 years in and out of training every day and you are still running and still going strong. everything about him was remarkable. fitness levels. a bit embarrassing because i was young and i could run but he could run better than me, he was the first out at training every day, the last in, and after a long career that doesn't normally happen. and after a long career that doesn't normally happen-— normally happen. huge influence across the club _ normally happen. huge influence across the club and _ normally happen. huge influence across the club and continue - normally happen. huge influence across the club and continue to l normally happen. huge influencel across the club and continue to be until not many years ago. all the more extraordinary when you consider the munich air disaster of the 6th of february, 1958, a moment that defined manchester united and perhaps defined him as a man as well. ~ .,, perhaps defined him as a man as well. ~ ., ., , well. most of them that were still alive bounced _ well. most of them that were still alive bounced back _ well. most of them that were still alive bounced back and _ well. most of them that were still alive bounced back and the - well. most of them that were still i alive bounced back and the manager got another manchester united team on the pitch which was a massive achievement. what sir bobby charlton did was find his way back to good health, get in the team and get back training again and he did it. what was most interesting was when i used to go with united from abroad and people would ask where you are from and you'd say manchester, and they would say bobby charlton, everywhere in the world. denis law, george best, still people mentioned bobby charlton. , ' . ., charlton. very difficult to compare different areas _ charlton. very difficult to compare different areas were _ charlton. very difficult to compare different areas were different - different areas were different generations of players but here was sir bobby charlton who was playing in that area of destefano, you say beer, pele, push cash, unbelievable players. but he held his own amongst that company. he players. but he held his own amongst that company-— that company. he did and to be in a time when — that company. he did and to be in a time when football _ that company. he did and to be in a time when football wasn't - that company. he did and to be in a time when football wasn't on - that company. he did and to be in a time when football wasn't on the i time when football wasn't on the television that much, to be the sort of name that he got, wherever you went in the world people talking about him, you realise this man has done it all, notjust played in the world cup final, european cup final but he's done it all. people all over the world would admire him and what he'd done in the game of football, and that's what we have donein football, and that's what we have done in there today, i admired him once again. the service was fantastic. bobby was fantastic. find fantastic. bobby was fantastic. and he will continue _ fantastic. bobby was fantastic. and he will continue to be in everybody�*s thoughts. lou macari, thank you for sharing your thoughts. former manchester united team—mate of sir bobby charlton. the guests continue to leave manchester cathedral where we have had a one hour memorial service to the life of sir bobby charlton. probably england's greatest player, manchester united's greatest player. three times a championship winner, won the fa cup, a european cup winner in 1968 with manchester united, the first english team to win it, and coming back from that tragedy of the munich air disaster as well. this was the order of service. sir bobby charlton cbe, a service to celebrate the life of 1937-2023. he died service to celebrate the life of 1937—2023. he died just over three weeks ago at the age of 86, sir bobby charlton. we will continue to gather reaction. there will be a committal service just for friends and family tomorrow, a wake at old trafford. the great and the good of the game of the city of manchester have come here today to manchester cathedral to pay their final respects and tributes and farewell to sir bobby charlton. thank you very much, from the service of sir bobby charlton. we are back at downing street because we have the umbrellas up because we have the umbrellas up because the rain is starting to fall on what continues to be a very big day of political movement. to discuss it further i'm joined by the bbc�*s polling guru sirjohn curtice from the university of strathclyde. always good to talk to you. what do you make of the news in terms of an election strategy for the conservatives?- election strategy for the conservatives? ., , ., , ., conservatives? one has to question whether it is — conservatives? one has to question whether it is an _ conservatives? one has to question whether it is an election _ conservatives? one has to question whether it is an election strategy. i whether it is an election strategy. in terms of its likely impact and in terms of its motivation, in terms of its likely impact, we should remember that the role of foreign secretary is one where the post—holder spends a lot of time abroad rather than engaging in partisan argument at home, and much of foreign policy including most recently the uk's response to hostilities between israel and hamas, and above all the russian invasion of ukraine. that has been pursued on a bipartisan basis. to that extent we should not necessarily assume that lord cameron's presence in the uk cabinet is one that will necessarily have that much impact at home. insofar as what are mr sunak�*s motivations, above all his motivation, which was essentially to remove suella braverman out of the home office and put james cleverly there, who shall we say is rather more careful with his words than his predecessor, he was struggling to deal with a minister who was willing to flout his authority, and a minister who, whatever her support on the backbenches, was pretty much being left high and dry by her ministerial colleagues. the last few days have been full of interviews with a minister after minister refusing either implicitly or explicitly to give ms braverman their