of that? one thing the return of david cameron does not - of that? one thing the return of david cameron does not signall of that? one thing the return ofl david cameron does not signal is change. you can't fix the problems rishi sunak is facing with personnel changes. you can only fix them with policy changes and the tory party can't do that. the only way to get real change is to get rid of the tory government, have a general election and have a new labour government in its place. flat government in its place. pat mcfadden. _ government in its place. pat mcfadden, the _ government in its place. pat mcfadden, the shadow cabinet office minister who is going to be running the labour party's general election campaign. every time i say goodbye to henry, someone leaves! we are timing it badly. henry zeffman, chief political correspondent is still with us. we saw laura trott leaving and she's been confirmed as the new chief secretary to the treasury. quite an importantjob, especially with this cost of living crisis. , , ., ., especially with this cost of living crisis. , _, ., ., , crisis. very important “ob, effectivelyfi crisis. very important “ob, effectively number i crisis. very important job, effectively number two . crisis. very important job, effectively number two to | crisis. very important job, i effectively number two to the chancellor but sitting around the cabinet table, sometimes in the past they have been quite prominent. i probably don't need to remind you, that was rishi sunak�*s first cabinet job and very quickly he was chancellor. one slightly odd thing about that, john glen, until that announcement, was the chief secretary to the treasury. we have not been told of any newjob for him, we have not seen him announce a resignation or that he has been sacked. as we discussed earlier, the same with richard holden, the new conservative party chairman, we have not seen what is happening to greg hands, previously cut the conservative party chairman, so still a few odds and ends of the reshuffle to be tied up. perhaps some suggestion that some cabinet ministers may be resisting a move to an ostensibly more junior position. but laura trott, rising star of the conservative party, she's been an mp since 2019 but she's been around for much longer. she worked in that some cabinet ministers may be resisting the move to an ostensibly more junior position. but laura trott, rising star of the conservative party, she's been an mp since 2019 but she's been around for much longer. she worked in the building there is what is called a special adviser for a there is what is called a special adviserfor a prime minister you might remember called david cameron and she is now sitting around the cabinet table.— and she is now sitting around the. cabinet table._ it cabinet table. there is a theme. it is worth noting _ cabinet table. there is a theme. it is worth noting she _ cabinet table. there is a theme. it is worth noting she worked - cabinet table. there is a theme. it is worth noting she worked for- cabinet table. there is a theme. it i is worth noting she worked for david cameron, now sitting around the cabinet table, richard holden, the new conservative party chairman was also an advisor in the cameron era, now sitting around the table with him, the deputy prime minister oliver dowden was deputy chief of staff for david cameron so there is a bit of a retro vibe to this reshuffle, for those of us sad enough to have known these before they became mps. but rishi sunak will also want to project a fresh image to the public will be learning, many of them, but laura trott and richard holden for the first time right now. the trott and richard holden for the first time right now.— first time right now. the other thing about — first time right now. the other thing about these _ first time right now. the other. thing about these appointments, first time right now. the other- thing about these appointments, and you touched upon it when you mentioned rishi sunak, when he was chief secretary to the treasury, as it will give laura trott a very new kind of exposure which could set her up kind of exposure which could set her up as a potential leadership candidate, orany up as a potential leadership candidate, or any of the others who are suddenly now going to get a much bigger national platform. rishi sunak will be _ bigger national platform. rishi sunak will be thinking - bigger national platform. t m sunak will be thinking this is bigger national platform. t 3t sunak will be thinking this is the team he hopes he can take in to a general election, who can help him turn around the dismal, and it really is dismal polling, the conservative party has at the moment, secure that unprecedented fifth consecutive term in office. if he doesn't, though, he is absolutely assembling a cast for the leadership election of the future, that goes from top to bottom. i'm not saying david cameron will run for the leadership again, although at this morning, who knows? james cleverly, the home secretary, we know he has leadership ambitions, he ran in 2019 when he hadn't been in government, now he will have been foreign secretary and home secretary, that's quite some cv, claire coutinho, anotherformer quite some cv, claire coutinho, another former adviser, who worked for rishi sunak, she got promoted, a huge promotion to be energy secretary recently, she could be a leader of the future. all these are the people we have seen coming up the people we have seen coming up the street, absolutely, they are the conservative party of the future, whether that be in government or opposition. but also of course, suella braverman, who it feels like 12 years ago, but i don't know, six hours ago, she was sacked as home secretary. i don't think that's the last we'll hear of suella braverman and i'm sure rishi sunak knows that's not the last we'll hear of suella braverman. all sorts of future politics playing out here as well as the sense of what is actually going on in cabinet right now. ., , , ., now. you just reminded me, this all ha--ened now. you just reminded me, this all happened at — now. you just reminded me, this all happened at nine — now. you just reminded me, this all happened at nine in _ now. you just reminded me, this all happened at nine in the _ now. you just reminded me, this all happened at nine in the morning - now. you just reminded me, this all| happened at nine in the morning and it is 2:50pm. it's been a long day, henry! you will have to stay with us. we will be back with henry in a bit but now i'm joined byjo—anne nadler, who is a conservative commentator and of course a former adviser at conservative central office. thank you forjoining us. it has been quite a big day to digest. the headline remains the return to front line politics of david cameron. so i will have to begin again by asking you for your reaction on that.— again by asking you for your reaction on that. well, it feels depressingly _ reaction on that. well, it feels depressingly like _ reaction on that. well, it feels depressingly like a _ reaction on that. well, it feels depressingly like a sort - reaction on that. well, it feels depressingly like a sort of - reaction on that. well, it feels. depressingly like a sort of tactic to avoid — depressingly like a sort of tactic to avoid discussing the reasons that suella _ to avoid discussing the reasons that suella braverman has left the cabinet. _ suella braverman has left the cabinet, and the underlying failures, _ cabinet, and the underlying failures, i think of the conservative party, to really live up conservative party, to really live up to— conservative party, to really live up to the — conservative party, to really live up to the democratic mandate that they received in 2019. sol up to the democratic mandate that they received in 2019. so i think superficially one can say david cameron — superficially one can say david cameron is a big hitter, is a well—known politician cameron is a big hitter, is a well— known politician who has contacts — well— known politician who has contacts on the international stage, but i contacts on the international stage, but i find _ contacts on the international stage, but i find this a pretty depressing move _ but i find this a pretty depressing move and — but i find this a pretty depressing move. and i think it will be very controversial within the conservative party. the only thing that seems to make sense to me about this move _ that seems to make sense to me about this move is _ that seems to make sense to me about this move is that it suggests an electorat— this move is that it suggests an electoral strategy which is pivoting very electoral strategy which is pivoting verv much— electoral strategy which is pivoting very much from the red wall seats, it essentially is giving up on those people _ it essentially is giving up on those people that the tory party has betrayed an office, and it is pivoting _ betrayed an office, and it is pivoting back to what might be called — pivoting back to what might be called blue wall seats which are those _ called blue wall seats which are those seats the conservative party is in danger of losing to the liberat— is in danger of losing to the liberal democrats in the south of the country. all in all, i am less than _ the country. all in all, i am less than impressed by this. we the country. all in all, i am less than impressed by this.- the country. all in all, i am less than impressed by this. we had a ollster than impressed by this. we had a pollster on _ than impressed by this. we had a pollster on earlier _ than impressed by this. we had a pollster on earlier who _ than impressed by this. we had a pollster on earlier who didn't - than impressed by this. we had a| pollster on earlier who didn't think the return of david cameron to the foreign office would make that much of a difference. in terms of wooing back voters who may feel a bit disillusioned with the conservative party if the polls are to be believed. t party if the polls are to be ioelieved-_ party if the polls are to be believed. ., ., ., , believed. i agree with him. that was joe tvaman — believed. i agree with him. that was joe tvaman a _ believed. i agree with him. that was joe tvaman a few — believed. i agree with him. that was joe twyman a few minutes _ believed. i agree with him. that was joe twyman a few minutes ago. - believed. i agree with him. that was joe twyman a few minutes ago. i - joe twyman a few minutes ago. i agree _ joe twyman a few minutes ago. i agree that — joe twyman a few minutes ago. i agree that he probably won't make much _ agree that he probably won't make much of— agree that he probably won't make much of a — agree that he probably won't make much of a difference but i expect this is— much of a difference but i expect this is part — much of a difference but i expect this is part of the thinking behind this is part of the thinking behind this move — this is part of the thinking behind this move. and as i say, it really can't _ this move. and as i say, it really can't make — this move. and as i say, it really can't make a _ this move. and as i say, it really can't make a difference because there _ can't make a difference because there is— can't make a difference because there is a — can't make a difference because there is a whole sort of element of there is a whole sort of element of the populace that turned to the conservative party at the last election — conservative party at the last election with high hopes that it would — election with high hopes that it would be able to deliver on their vote for— would be able to deliver on their vote for brexit, and then of course they were — vote for brexit, and then of course they were promised levelling up. and those _ they were promised levelling up. and those people, as i say, have been betrayed — those people, as i say, have been betrayed and there is nothing in this reshuffle that suggests the conservative party is in any way interested — conservative party is in any way interested in reaching their particular needs. the idea that suddenly— particular needs. the idea that suddenly you can seduce those people that are _ suddenly you can seduce those people that are turning back to the liberal democrats — that are turning back to the liberal democrats again, or worse the labour party. _ democrats again, or worse the labour party. seems— democrats again, or worse the labour party, seems to be a way to the fairies— party, seems to be a way to the fairies but— party, seems to be a way to the fairies but i_ party, seems to be a way to the fairies but i suspect that is what lies behind the logic on this. what do ou lies behind the logic on this. what do you make _ lies behind the logic on this. what do you make about _ lies behind the logic on this. what do you make about the _ lies behind the logic on this. tarngt do you make about the other lies behind the logic on this. mat do you make about the other changes today? in particular the departure of suella braverman from the home office. she does have support amongst a certain constituency in the conservative party, notjust in parliament, but amongst rank—and—file members. parliament, but amongst rank-and-file members. more importantly. — rank-and-file members. more importantly, she _ rank-and-file members. more importantly, she does - rank-and-file members. more importantly, she does speak. rank-and-file members. more. importantly, she does speak for rank—and—file members. more importantly, she does speak for many people _ importantly, she does speak for many people in_ importantly, she does speak for many people in the country who feel nohody— people in the country who feel nobody speaks for them. some of those _ nobody speaks for them. some of those are — nobody speaks for them. some of those are the people who lent the conservative party they vote in 2019 — conservative party they vote in 2019 i— conservative party they vote in 2019. i think there is also a wider population— 2019. i think there is also a wider population that feel on immigration and on _ population that feel on immigration and on law— population that feel on immigration and on law and order, they are very reasonable — and on law and order, they are very reasonable fears are not being articulated in the mainstream political— articulated in the mainstream political narratives. that's not to say suella — political narratives. that's not to say suella braverman didn't put rishi _ say suella braverman didn't put rishi sunak in an awkward position because _ rishi sunak in an awkward position because she does appear to have directly— because she does appear to have directly flouted his authority in ignoring — directly flouted his authority in ignoring some of the point is that number— ignoring some of the point is that number 10 made ignoring some of the point is that numberio made in terms ignoring some of the point is that number 10 made in terms of slightly finessing _ number 10 made in terms of slightly finessing her article. number 10 made in terms of slightly finessing herarticle. ithink number 10 made in terms of slightly finessing her article. i think it is very— finessing her article. i think it is very difficult for a prime minister to have _ very difficult for a prime minister to have somebody in a major office of state _ to have somebody in a major office of state who appears not to be listening — of state who appears not to be listening to him. but that is a very technical— listening to him. but that is a very technical reason for getting rid of her. technical reason for getting rid of her~ i_ technical reason for getting rid of her~ ithink— technical reason for getting rid of her. i think very, shall we say, an imaginative — her. i think very, shall we say, an imaginative one. because far greater political— imaginative one. because far greater political gain could have been had by keeping suella braverman in place and allowing her, if not in more temperate _ and allowing her, if not in more temperate language, to appeal to that really concerned element of the populace _ that really concerned element of the populace who don't feel they are being _ populace who don't feel they are being spoken for. suella braverman sometimes has been her own worst enemy _ sometimes has been her own worst enemy her— sometimes has been her own worst enemy. her language is not always as diplomatic— enemy. her language is not always as diplomatic as it might be. if you look— diplomatic as it might be. if you look at — diplomatic as it might be. if you look at the substance of what she has said. — look at the substance of what she has said. in— look at the substance of what she has said, in many cases it is not particularly _ has said, in many cases it is not particularly controversial, and the type of— particularly controversial, and the type of thing people down the pub will be _ type of thing people down the pub will be discussing amongst themselves and at the school gate and on _ themselves and at the school gate and on the — themselves and at the school gate and on the football pitch, watching the children play football, whatever it might _ the children play football, whatever it might be and ijust feel nobody speaking — it might be and ijust feel nobody speaking for them.— it might be and ijust feel nobody speaking for them. jo-anne nadler, let me ask you _ speaking for them. jo-anne nadler, let me ask you this _ speaking for them. jo-anne nadler, let me ask you this as _ speaking for them. jo-anne nadler, let me ask you this as well - speaking for them. jo-anne nadler, let me ask you this as well briefly. l let me ask you this as well briefly. what do you think suella braverman is going to be like on the backbenches? do you think she will continue to vocalise that particular viewpoint? $5 continue to vocalise that particular viewoint? �* , ., , , viewpoint? as we have seen, she hasn't been _ viewpoint? as we have seen, she hasn't been afraid _ viewpoint? as we have seen, she hasn't been afraid of— viewpoint? as we have seen, she hasn't been afraid of vocalising i viewpoint? as we have seen, she hasn't been afraid of vocalising it| hasn't been afraid of vocalising it apparently under the pressure of collective — apparently under the pressure of collective responsibility. now to a large _ collective responsibility. now to a large extent she is shorn of that responsibility and i think we can expect— responsibility and i think we can expect to — responsibility and i think we can expect to hear a great deal more from _ expect to hear a great deal more from her~ — expect to hear a great deal more from her. but i think she has also -ot from her. but i think she has also got to— from her. but i think she has also got to be — from her. but i think she has also got to be quite tactical about this because — got to be quite tactical about this because no doubt she has been positioning herself as a leader of the conservative party, and certainly— the conservative party, and certainly as a leader of the right. she is— certainly as a leader of the right. she is not— certainly as a leader of the right. she is not the only person in the conservative party that will run on that ticket — conservative party that will run on that ticket should they lose the next _ that ticket should they lose the next election. she will have very strong _ next election. she will have very strong competition from somebody like badenoch for instance, who has been _ like badenoch for instance, who has been demonstrably more loyal whilst in government, so i think suella braverman _ in government, so i think suella braverman has to pick your fights and has _ braverman has to pick your fights and has to— braverman has to pick your fights and has to be quite tactical about them _ and has to be quite tactical about them. just— and has to be quite tactical about them. just in terms of democratic accountability, somebody in the house _ accountability, somebody in the house of— accountability, somebody in the house of commons needs to be talking about these issues. quite frankly, reshuffle — about these issues. quite frankly, reshuffle is because a great deal of excitement to people in the westminster bubble but they are pretty— westminster bubble but they are pretty insignificant once you get outside — pretty insignificant once you get outside 5— pretty insignificant once you get outside 5 w one, as indeed they should _ outside 5 w one, as indeed they should be — outside 5 w one, as indeed they should be. people have real lives to be getting _ should be. people have real lives to be getting on with, and this is all something of a pantomime. gk, something of a pantomime. ok, jo-anne nadler, _ something of a pantomime. ok, jo-anne nadler, a _ something of a pantomime. qt, jo—anne nadler, a conservative writer and commentator who used to be at conservative party headquarters, thank you forjoining us on bbc news. we are still in downing street, it has been a busy morning since just before 9am when it was announced suella braverman had been sacked by the prime minister rishi sunak will stop then we saw david cameron stroll up the street back in number 10. he is now backin street back in number 10. he is now back in the foreign office where he is the new foreign secretary. james cleverly has moved from the foreign office to the home office. this of course marks the end of suella braverman's time in front line politics and in government. as we were discussing, she remains an mp and could be vocal on the backbenches. my colleague helen catt takes a look back at her political career so far. the daughter of migrants who put taking a tough line on immigration at the centre of her agenda as home secretary. suella braverman inherited the government's flagship policy of sending illegal arrivals to rwanda, but it is one she wholeheartedly embraced. she was also a leading voice pushing for curbs on all migration and was prepared to say bluntly what she believed. ~ ., , ., believed. where individuals are beinu believed. where individuals are being persecuted, _ believed. where individuals are being persecuted, it— believed. where individuals are being persecuted, it is- believed. where individuals are being persecuted, it is right - believed. where individuals are | being persecuted, it is right that we offer sanctuary. but we will not be able to sustain an asylum system if, in effect, simply being gay or a woman orfearful of if, in effect, simply being gay or a woman or fearful of discrimination in your country of origin is sufficient to qualify for protection.— sufficient to qualify for rotection. ., , sufficient to qualify for rotection. . , ., , protection. originally given the “0b of home secretary d protection. originally given the “0b of home secretary by d protection. originally given the “0b of home secretary by liz i protection. originally given the job of home secretary by liz truss, i protection. originally given the job| of home secretary by liz truss, six weeks later miss braverman was out of the picture. she had broken the ministerial code by e—mailing a document to someone who shouldn't have seen it and she resigned. when the new prime minister rishi sunak reappointed herjust a week later it was controversial. mas reappointed herjust a week later it was controversial.— was controversial. was his home secretary right — was controversial. was his home secretary right to resign - was controversial. was his home secretary right to resign last - was controversial. was his home. secretary right to resign last week for breach of security? the secretary right to resign last week for breach of security?— for breach of security? the home secretary made _ for breach of security? the home secretary made an _ for breach of security? the home secretary made an error- for breach of security? the home secretary made an error of- for breach of security? the home . secretary made an error ofjudgment but recognised that, she raised the matter— but recognised that, she raised the matter and — but recognised that, she raised the matter and she accepted her mistake. ms braverman stayed, popular with the right of the party. but there were increasing concerns about her choice of language. the were increasing concerns about her choice of language.— choice of language. the wind of chance choice of language. the wind of change that _ choice of language. the wind of change that carried _ choice of language. the wind of change that carried my - choice of language. the wind of change that carried my own - choice of language. the wind of - change that carried my own parents across the globe in the 20th century, was a mere gust compared to the hurricane that is coming. she clashed with _ the hurricane that is coming. she clashed with the metropolitan police commissioner sir mark rowley over pro—palestine protests in london and caused a backlash when she said sleeping rough in tents was sometimes a lifestyle choice. it was in 2015 that ms braverman, then suella fernandes, first entered the commons, a brexiteer, she quit as brexit minister over concerns about theresa may's version of the withdrawal agreement, but later joined the cabinet as boris johnson's attorney general. in 2021 she became the first cabinet minister to take maternity leave after a change in the law was rushed through to allow it. she never hid her ambition for the top job. when she was asked if she would run for leader here before her boss resigned. t leader here before her boss resigned-— resigned. i will be straight, robert, resigned. i will be straight, robert. yes. _ resigned. i will be straight, robert. yes. i— resigned. i will be straight, robert, yes, i will. - resigned. i will be straight, robert, yes, i will. in - resigned. i will be straight, robert, yes, i will. in the l robert, yes, i will. in the resulting _ robert, yes, i will. in the resulting contest - robert, yes, i will. in the resulting contest she - robert, yes, i will. in the i resulting contest she came robert, yes, i will. in the - resulting contest she came sixth robert, yes, i will. in the _ resulting contest she came sixth but suspicion swirled that her punchy style was in part about setting the ground for another run. tt style was in part about setting the ground for another run. t is style was in part about setting the ground for another run.— ground for another run. it is the guardian reading, _ ground for another run. it is the guardian reading, tofu - ground for another run. it is the guardian reading, tofu eating, l guardian reading, tofu eating, wokerati. dare i say the anti—growth coalition that we have