to move again in a couple of months�* time. how do you think life will go on for suella braverman's political career? it is not likely she will drift away into insignificance. i it is not likely she will drift away into insignificance.— into insignificance. i think she will not drift _ into insignificance. i think she will not drift away, _ into insignificance. i think she will not drift away, that - into insignificance. i think she will not drift away, that is - into insignificance. i think shei will not drift away, that is one thing we can be pretty sure. if people thought that her rhetoric and i suppose disloyalty at times for rishi sunak was there before, we can only expect that to increase. she is somebody who can be much more vocal on the backbenches, especially when they differ from government. on the backbenches, especially when they differfrom government. there is collective responsibility among the front benches in parliament, among ministers, that means when somebody is a government minister they are generally speaking expected to toe the line, agree with what the prime minister and other cabinet colleagues are saying, at least publicly. she deviated from that on a number of occasions. to an extent she has now been set free to have her views without needing to abide by the collective responsibility. it is likely that her and some of her colleagues on the right of the party will coalesce around some issues they feel strongly about. there has been lots of speculation about whether suella braverman is already posturing herself as another tory leadership candidate if and when there is a future tory leadership contest. rishi sunak isn't going anywhere right now, he is still prime minister and has no intention to stand down, but if the conservatives are doing particularly well at the next election, you are already seeing figures who want to build their rapport with other mps, lining themselves up to be candidate in the future. she did stand for tory leadership at last summer and we know it is something she has ambitions about and that she has a fair support base when it comes to the right of the party. i think we may well see more campaigning around theissue may well see more campaigning around the issue should she feel strongly about, not least view that the uk should be leaving the european convention on human rights. thank ou for convention on human rights. thank you for being _ convention on human rights. thank you for being with _ convention on human rights. thank you for being with us _ convention on human rights. thank you for being with us throughout this morning. it has been quite a remarkable morning here in downing street and in westminster. it began with the sacking of suella braverman. a dismissal that was widely anticipated over the weekend, in many ways it was triggered by an article she had written in the times newspaper in which she was critical of the metropolitan police, an article that downing street was not fully signed off by them before it was published. then the real wow moments was when we saw david cameron, former british prime minister, walking up the street once again, if courses for a number of years, and everybody wondered, why is he here? then we found out that james cleverly was going to be moving from the foreign office to become home secretary, replacing suella braverman. that led the way for david cameron to take up the role of foreign secretary. he has now been appointed lord cameron. he wasn't sitting in parliament, he had been effectively retired from front—line political life, we have not heard much from him like we had from other recent former prime ministers. in many ways this has real shock value. ministers. in many ways this has realshock value. earlier, i ministers. in many ways this has real shock value. earlier, i spoke to the political editor of the observer newspaper. it is to the political editor of the observer newsa er. , , observer newspaper. it is extremely dramatic and — observer newspaper. it is extremely dramatic and interesting. _ observer newspaper. it is extremely dramatic and interesting. on - observer newspaper. it is extremely dramatic and interesting. on the - dramatic and interesting. on the other hand, i think it is quite predictable because i think over the weekends there were signs that rishi sunak was going to have to do this otherwise he would look terribly weak as a prime minister, with the home secretaryjust firing off weak as a prime minister, with the home secretary just firing off when she wanted to at in a very provocative way at a sensitive time. i don't think he had any political option. i don't think he had any political 0 tion. �* ., , i don't think he had any political 0 tion. �* ., _ , i don't think he had any political otion. �* , , �* option. but, toby, this isn't the first time that _ option. but, toby, this isn't the first time that suella _ option. but, toby, this isn't the| first time that suella braverman option. but, toby, this isn't the - first time that suella braverman has caused controversy, so why now? truth? caused controversy, so why now? why now? i one — caused controversy, so why now? why now? i one needs— caused controversy, so why now? “1wa now? i one needs to look caused controversy, so why now? will now? i one needs to look at the context of rishi sunak was not very desperate political position. he has tried to reset the tory party, tried to redefine his leadership as one of change. that hasn't worked. he has had no uplift in the polls at all. he then had his home secretary, is one of many problems, kicking off in this way. and quite clearly positioning herself for a future leadership contest. he had to act before wednesday's court case on the rwanda asylum policy because if he didn't, if that court case had gone in favour of the government, then suella braverman would have had a big burst, a big uplift, and would have been impossible to fire her. he couldn't really get out of that position, so he had to act today, in my view, otherwise he was caught in a real bind. i’m my view, otherwise he was caught in a real bind-— a real bind. i'm 'ust going to bring in comments _ a real bind. i'mjust going to bring in comments that _ a real bind. i'mjust going to bring in comments that we _ a real bind. i'mjust going to bring in comments that we have - a real bind. i'mjust going to bring in comments that we have heard l a real bind. i'm just going to bring - in comments that we have heard from the labour party to david cameron's appointment as foreign secretary. it said a few weeks ago rishi sunak said a few weeks ago rishi sunak said david cameron was part of a failed status quo, now he is bringing him back as his liferaft. that comes from the national campaign coordinator for the labour party. it goes on to say this puts to bed the prime minister's laughable claim to offer change from 13 years of tory failure. it feels that the starting gun has been fired on the general election next year. yes. i think what the david cameron appointment does again is that it shows rishi sunak is trying yet another tactic to try to revitalise his leadership. he has tried many things, he has tried to be his own man, the change man, and now he is trying to look to others who might represents a kind of smoother form of government than he has been able to deliver from the past. it all gets terribly contradictory. as it did change, the past. it may look like you can find enough sensible people in his own party who are mps or peers at the moment to do the job, so he is looking at david cameron. it may be that he is looking to say let's move to a different, more competent type of leadership. can david cameron offer that? he is the man who delivered the brexit referendum, watch was in a sense the beginning of many of the tory party problems. cameron will come across as a competent, appealing foreign secretary to some, but i think the imagery that surrounds him and the impression that that appointment gives a somewhat desperate, that would be my feeling. somewhat desperate, that would be my feelina. ., , ., feeling. toby helm, from the observer _ feeling. toby helm, from the observer newspaper, - feeling. toby helm, from the observer newspaper, sharing feeling. toby helm, from the . observer newspaper, sharing his thoughts on the developments. one of the main headlines from this morning is thatjames the main headlines from this morning is that james cleverly has replaced suella braverman. he made some comments i tied his new office, not farfrom here. it comments i tied his new office, not farfrom here-— far from here. it has been a huge rivileue far from here. it has been a huge privilege to _ far from here. it has been a huge privilege to serve _ far from here. it has been a huge privilege to serve as _ far from here. it has been a huge privilege to serve as foreign - privilege to serve as foreign secretary and in that time i work very closely with my colleagues in the home office, cracking down on illegal migration, reducing the number of small boats's arrivals, and now i am committed to stopping the boats as we promised, but also making sure that everybody in the uk feel safe and secure going around is, going about their daily business and knowing that the government is here to protect them. it is a fantasticjob real privilege to serve. fantastic 'ob real privilege to serve. y ., fantastic 'ob real privilege to serve. ., ., . serve. do you want to distance ourself serve. do you want to distance yourself from _ serve. do you want to distance yourself from the _ serve. do you want to distance yourself from the rhetoric - serve. do you want to distance yourself from the rhetoric of i serve. do you want to distance | yourself from the rhetoric of the previous home secretary? i yourself from the rhetoric of the previous home secretary? i intend to do this 'ob previous home secretary? i intend to do this job in — previous home secretary? i intend to do this job in the way _ previous home secretary? i intend to do this job in the way that _ previous home secretary? i intend to do this job in the way that i _ previous home secretary? i intend to do this job in the way that i feel - do this job in the way that i feel best protects the british people and our interests. i have had a very good conversation with the prime minister, he has made it very clear that he wants us to deliver on our promises, to stop the boats, to protect the british people, to make sure everybody feels secure in their lives. ,, ., ., sure everybody feels secure in their lives. ., ,, . ., , lives. so, the new home secretary, james cleverly. _ lives. so, the new home secretary, james cleverly, making _ lives. so, the new home secretary, james cleverly, making remarks. i lives. so, the new home secretary, | james cleverly, making remarks. he has a huge entry to deal with in his new role. earlier i spoke to our home editor, mark easton, to discuss that further. home editor, mark easton, to discuss that further-— that further. james cleverly famously — that further. james cleverly famously love _ that further. james cleverly famously love being - that further. james cleverly | famously love being foreign secretary. it was suggested as a death that might be the defence secretary as he has a military background, and apparently let it be known that you will see nail marks on the floor in my office if you try to move me. i don't know quite what james cleverly�*s attitude will be to taking on the huge and very complicated brief at the home office. it is complicated right now. he is immediately coming in to the arguments about the relationship between the home secretary and the police, the metropolitan police, the manner in which they have been policing protests in london. the government has made it clear that there will be interested in trying to give the police more powers to arrest people more quickly who are involved in hate crimes on marches, so that is something that will come pretty fast at him, as is, of course, the rwanda judgment at the supreme court on wednesday morning. that is of course a judgment on a centrepiece of rishi sunak�*s government, and has been for the conservative government for some time. we don't know which way it will go, butjames time. we don't know which way it will go, but james cleverly is time. we don't know which way it will go, butjames cleverly is going to have to really get up to speed on all the implications of that win or lose. he also has to deal with the asylum system, which is in a terrible state, with hundreds of thousands of people stuck in the system, many in hotels at huge cost. in fact, one of the plans to try and relieve pressure on the asylum system was to use our former raf base at weathers field near braintree in essex to house i think about 1700 single men. that happens to be injames cleverly�*s constituency, and he has been quite critical of the plans to do that. he is now going to be in charge of that policy. that will be an interesting one to deal with. as we have been discussing earlier today, crime and punishment are a central part of rishi sunak�*s priorities, as seen in the king's speech, as we had for an election next year, probably. the home office will be front and centre of everything that the government is doing over the next 12 months. it is going to be a really difficult brief orjames cleverly. it is something he doesn't have an enormous amount of experience in this area. he has generally been either working for the party and the foreign office, he was secretary of state for education for a few months at the end of the borisjohnson premiership. he has never really shown a huge amount of interest and the home affairs brief. it will be interesting to see what kind of home secretary we get. indeed it well. as you mentioned there, likely general election a year away and some of those policies that you mentioned will be front and centre of any election campaign, including the small boat crossings. yes, the small boats crisis is something that rishi sunak has said is one of his key pledges. he is determined to stop the boats. originally i think he was intending to stop the boats this year, but that will not happen. we have seen tens of thousands coming over on small boats despite all the government efforts. the government argues that it is the rwanda policy thatis argues that it is the rwanda policy that is central to the approach that they have been taken that will undermine the business case of those ringing magnets across the channel and where that should be given the green light by the supreme court, that will see a significant change, they believe, in the number of boats coming over. david cameron as foreign secretary is going to be in part responsible for dealing with theissues part responsible for dealing with the issues around the brexit arrangements with the eu. he famously of course was the man who thought to remain. that is quite an interesting point in terms of the reshuffle. in terms of the home office, i think absolutely james cleverly is going to be a fascinating appointment. his name has only really been mentioned in the last few days. it is not an appointment that he has been seeking, he was very happy at the foreign office, but he has been gazumped by david cameron. as we were showing those images there, david cameron walking up the street here in downing street, returning to front line politics as foreign secretary. we have been getting some reaction to that appointment. let's have a listen into mark harper, the transport secretary. i into mark harper, the transport secreta . ., , into mark harper, the transport secreta . ., ., �*, secretary. i was in david cameron's government. _ secretary. i was in david cameron's government. i— secretary. i was in david cameron's government, i was _ secretary. i was in david cameron's government, i was his _ secretary. i was in david cameron's government, i was his chief - secretary. i was in david cameron's government, i was his chief whip. l secretary. i was in david cameron's l government, i was his chief whip. he is a fantastic team player, i think the prime minister has brought in to strengthen the team at a time when foreign affairs are incredibly important, with what is going on in the ukraine, in the middle east, having a really experienced player at the top