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we've had weeks of aid organizations sounding the alarm about gaza. and so you've now said that humanitarian pauses and fighting aren't enough and there needs to be work towards a ceasefire. are you disappointed that other world leaders aren'tjoining you in that call like the us or the uk? no, i hope they will. and let's be clear. i mean, i was one of the first leaders to call the prime minister and president of israel after the terrorist attack the 7th of october. we clearly condemn this terrorist attack and terrorist group and recognize the right of israel to protect itself and react. but day one, we say that this reaction and the fight against terrorism, because it is led by a democracy should be compliant with international rules of war and humanitarian international law. and day after day, what we saw is a permanent bombing of civilians in gaza. we worked very hard to try to protect people, our people there, because we lost more than a0 french nationals and we still have hostages. and when i speak about it, first, i think about our families. but what happened during the past weeks is that we clearly that a lot of civilians were killed and there is no justification for that. and the clear conclusion of everybody yesterday during the humanitarian conference from united nations to ngos to all the governments being present, is that there is no other solution than first humanitarian pause to a cease fire which will allow to protect these people, to take care of people being in hospitals and to protect babies, ladies, old people, all the civilians having nothing to do with these terrorists. and i think it's very important to say the whole story. but i, i think this is the only solution we have. this ceasefire. we want to fight against terrorism. president macron, you've been very clear right from the beginning about israel's right to defend itself. you've talked about the fight against terrorism needing to be merciless is the word you used, but not without rules. and you've just referred that to the high loss of civilian life in gaza. you've got the united nations secretary general saying gaza is turning into a graveyard for children. do you think israel is respecting those rules, the international rules that you're referring to? look, in the very first days, it's clear that the emotion, the compassion, created a situation where everybody was just close to israel and backing them and sharing the pain. and we do share their pain and we do share the willingness to get rid of terrorism. we know what terrorism means in france. but i think there is nojustification precisely to attack civilians. there is no justification to make a distinction between the different lives, palestinian lives do matter. and very clearly today, these humanitarian rules are not properly respected. this is why i do call for this immediate humanitarian pause and a rapid ceasefire precisely to protect the civilians. second, protection of people. this is why we do need this pause. and this is to prepare the ceasefire. and we do need a concrete action in gaza, but as well in west bank, because today you have settlers killing innocent people. and because as well you have a big economic and financial crisis situation in west bank, which jeopardize a lot of lives as well. and third, political answer, because we know the solution, the two states approach. we know the different treaties and negotiations having decided such an approach. i mean, just it was not implemented. and i think if we forgot this political pillar, we miss a critical point because there is a legitimate aspiration of palestinian people to get the state and proper territory. are you saying that israel is guilty of breaking international humanitarian law, potential war crimes here? no. look, i think it's not the proper way to approach the question. we do recognize their right to protect themselves. we do contest the fact that the better way to protect itself is having a large bombing of gaza. we are ready to cooperate to target terrorists and terrorist groups to help in order to fight against terror. but we do urge them to stop this bombing, and it's not time to look at responsibilities and so on. and one month after this terrorist attack, i think it would be not the right way to deal with a partner and friend just to say you will be condemned and you are guilty. de facto. today civilians are bombed. de facto. babies, ladies, old people are bombed and killed. so there is no reason for that and no legitimacy. so we do urge israel to stop. i'm not a judge. i'm a head of state. i think now it's time for ceasefire, for humanitarian ceasefire. and i think even it's good for israel. because it's, i think, for the security of israel. they should not have millions of palestinian people or people in the region with this image have been living with that. because they are just preparing resentment and bad feelings. so my point, i'm not a judge. i don't condemn those say right or wrong regarding international law. ijust remind everybody, international law, i call for a ceasefire and i will urge them for a ceasefire for and many times a ceasefire. there is a lot of anger. there's a lot of anger and frustration across the region. passions are inflamed on all sides. france is home to europe's largest jewish community and its largest community of of muslims as well. there was a recent yougov poll here at the end of the month saying that more than 70% of french are worried about a spill—over of violence and tension here in france. how dangerous a moment is this, would you say, for france and for europe? this is clear. and what you say is perfectly true. the french nation is not an addition of communities, and it's true that probably we have the biggest community of french people having as a religion, indeed islam. and we we do have a big jewish community as well, probably one of the biggest in europe, but all of them are french citizens. this is why all of them as french citizens should condemn without any ambiguity, any terrorist attack, because we were hurt by this terrorist attack. and they could be, they could have a religion or no religion, they could be muslim orjewish, and they are first french citizen. and this is why all the french citizen has to condemn any anti—semitic act and anti—semitism, because we have a big rise of anti—semitism in this country, as in the rest of europe and the rest of the world, without any reason and justification and reason for that. and all french citizens have to be very clear in this condemnation, be united against anti—semitism, and all french citizens should be clear in defending and protecting all lives. and nobody could be could support the bombing of civilians for any reason. and how do you protect french citizens, global citizens from online hatred, violence, extremism? this is something that you've been talking to world leaders about. meta didn't send any representative to your discussions and x only sent low level representation. do you think that protection of civilians has got harder, for example, since elon musk took over twitter now, now known as x? look, i'm i'm not obsessed by person and people, i just look at facts we're very much engaged in. we started, by the way, six years ago after the terrorist attack in uk in injuly 17 with terrorism, trying to launch an initiative. and we were quite isolated at the time. and i believe a lot of leaders in this world said, oh, free speech, we should not block anything, and so on. but after the christchurch attack in new zealand, we don't share what we call the christchurch call in may 2019 and we get some result because this is where we build this famous golden harbour in order to withdraw terrorist content and it works but some platforms. meta and google don't deliver. they didn't do what they committed to do one year ago with us. and they organize their absence either in new york or in paris. they cannotjoin. i mean, president of france and some of the leaders can be available. they are not available. so it's not important for them. i take the point. as for twitter, they co—operated on the transparency of algorithm and they i think i want to believe they will engage. i hope so. when i look at the number of moderators all these big platforms have, especially in french language, it's very low. when you have 50% in order to monitor or moderate all the french content, you have 330 million inhabitants in this planet speaking french. do you believe that 50 people could regulate and moderate and deal with cyberbullying, with hate speech? they are not serious. when we look at the various crises in the world, when we look at what's going on in the middle east ukraine is worried. it's worried that its backers are going to become distracted. you have assured kyiv that's not going to happen. how do you ensure that, though? we've heard from the top general in ukraine that there's a sort of a stalemate situation with russia, backing ukraine costs a lot of money. so it's notjust about leaders, but what about the general public who have other issues on their plate, like the cost of living crisis? how do you keep everybody on board? look, it's very easy when you have this type of situation. what's a what if scenario? let's imagine we stop helping ukraine. fine. what do we think? probably they will be defeated. what does it mean? as for europeans, it means there is no more serious security an architecture of security in this continent because you will have a new imperial power. so i think there is no better option than helping ukraine to resist, to put itself in a situation, to have fair and good negotiations, and to come back at the table and find a solution with russia. but in a situation where they could defend both their territory and their security. so not yet. i think it's not yet the case. i'm not the one to decide the right moment. this is the two parties being on the ground. but it's clear that ukraine is finishing this new counter—offensive. i think the months to come will be critical. but i think in the months to come, we will have to refresh our approach and see how we can be much more efficient and at which condition russia as well could negotiate. if they say, i take it all, i mean, it's impossible to negotiate, but this is ukrainians to decide any type of negotiation. but i think our duty is to help ukraine, to remain committed, as we are and to provide visibility and in parallel to progress on nato�*s and eu track. so the united states has been key for supporting ukraine alongside europe, but we don't know who's going to end up in the white house next year after presidential elections. can europe go it alone when it comes to defence? and would you want to count on the uk formally in that kind of scenario? first, i have to say we were very lucky and we are very lucky to have such an administration in the us. let's be clear. because they are committed and they have a very reasonable diplomacy, meaning helping this democracy to protect its territory in ukraine without creating any escalation. so we are very lucky. second. i don't make any bet on on us domestic policies. i want to believe it should be a bipartisan consensus because it clearly what is at stake is as well un charter principles, territorial integrity and sovereignty. third, i think the europeans i have to clearly endorse their role. we speak about our direct neighborhood and this is our duty to be more and more engaged and to be part of it and to be core i would say as those being around the table, i think one of the big problems of europe and i mentioned that a few years ago when i was quite definitive with nato, saying it's brain dead. yes, very famously. and i mean, we had a super wake up call thanks to mr putin. i mean, if it was brain dead, itjust made a wake up call because of this aggression and the war launched. now we have to re—engage in ukraine. this is what we do. but we have to to endorse this effort. role and be part of the construction of the future architecture of security for europe. i think it's absolutely key. so whatever happens in the us, i think we should be more involved in western balkans. in ukraine, in caucasus, but as well in africa altogether. because it's part of our neighborhood and it's normal, it's legitimate to share the burden, i would say, and not just to look at the us saying, okay guys, what are you what do you pay? looking globally are you concerned that things feel more and more polarized? i mean, whether it's over israel—gaza, whether it's over russia's invasion of ukraine or when it comes to a subject very close to your heart, which is climate change, and we hearfrom poorer countries saying, well, it's okay for you with money, but for us it's a choice. either we fight poverty or we fight climate change. you have been trying to do something about that, but how successful do you feel you've been? it will take time. i mean, it's true and everywhere globally, but as well as at the scale of a nation, we have more and more polarization. for quite simple reason. people are over informed, but through social networks and a lot of platforms and you have a merit order in a certain way. argument is less powerful than emotion, and negative emotion is more powerful than positive emotion. during the past three years, i dedicated a lot of my time to build bridges between north and south, between europeans, americans and the rest of the world. reiterating the fact that we do share the same challenges and we have to increase the solidarity because this is our interest. and we formalized, we finalized the four piece paris pact for people on the planet. and this pact has a very simple motto in a certain way. number one, nobody should be put in a situation to choose between fight against poverty and for planet. we have the un's cop summit coming up, this un summit on the environment and to combat climate change. you've been talking here with world leaders at the paris peace forum about the polar ice caps. and i think it's probably quite hard to find a world leader who will say, i don't care about the environment, but don't you find, president macron that with all of these crises that we've been discussing, whether it's covid or whether it's the middle east, that the environment often gets pushed to the bottom of the pile because it's seen like a longer term issue. i think this is a short and long term issue, but i really believe that climate and biodiversity, i always take both together, our part of the top agenda, and i would say hot agenda, because it's now, it's here and it's a source of a lot of crisis. because you will see because of climate change and the consequences you will have terrorist groups being organized. i would take a very simple example. lake chad. lake chad in the middle of niger. chad, nigeria. look at the number of terrorist created during the past decade there. why? because of the consequence of climate change. a lot of families living as fishermen and thanks to the lake, were just out of the region because of the consequence of climate change and the fact that there was no more water a lot of species just disappeared and so on. and it created poverty. and this poverty pushed a lot of people to terrorism, terrorist groups. everything is linked. and i think if we want to to have sort of as well a sort of list of priorities, number one priority would be sure that we help the emerging and developing country to get rid of coal, to go first to gas, to renewables, nuclear energy and so on, but very fast to get rid of coal and after to get rid of fossilfuels. and we launch here in paris this initiative with the one polar summit on poles. because cryosphere is absolutely critical, cryosphere is impacted by the consequences of the co2 being being emitted. but if we have a clear mobilization of our scientists and government, we can reduce the speediness of melting effects on arctic and antarctic, but as well in the different glaciers of this world. france's relationship with the united kingdom. you had a very warm summit with prime minister sunak here in paris earlier on this year. where would you say we are now with that relationship? because i sense often when i come to france a certain frustration that outwardly, at least in the uk, there's still a concentration on fallout from brexit or people smugglers boats over the channel. where do you feel the relationship is? look, i think we had a very good summit with prime minister sunak. we had a wonderful state visit with the king and the queen. a very warm and wonderful visit. we're very proud and very happy to have both of them here in the country. we know well each other. uk and france. and i think given all the challenges i mentioned, we do need each other. i mean, what is the best partner when you speak about security and fixing conflict? uk and france. how to succeed in biodiversity in climate. except if we work closely together. how to deal with the digital world. when you look at the two main countries in europe on artificial intelligence, the uk and france. so we have a lot of things to do and i think we are in a period of time to redesign the relationship post—brexit. as you know, i do regret i'm not the one to command, to command a sovereign decision of your people. but i mean, as a friend and a counterpart, i do regret this decision. but i think we have to re—engage and reinvent something else between uk and france, but as well between uk and the eu. i think this is a necessity. and this is good for both of us. i will come next year for a new summit and we will celebrate the entente cordiale. and this is a very special moment to me. so i'm optimistic about the relation and what we can be together. and i think we are this type of nation whose dna is to think bigger than we are. and this is why the best way to rebuild the friendship is precisely to do big things together for the world. and not just to look at the nitty gritty and the bilateral relation. i wonder sometimes when, you are a president who makes it clear that you want to work on immediate crises, the longer term issues, lots of initiatives, as a world leader, you come under a lot of criticism as well. do you ever feel sometimes when you wake up in the morning, you just want to pull the duvet over your head? i think this is a chance and an honour to be, to have responsibilities in this world, because i think we do live in a period of time where e are reshaping our world and we are living in a period of time where through our decisions small or daily decisions, they will have very concrete and important and sometimes long term consequences. this is a time of reshaping. i'm sure about that. and speaking about peace and stability, about technology and the consequences of artificial intelligence, about democracy, about climate change and biodiversity. two to four years to come, depending on the decisions we will take or we will not take de facto opens windows or close some doors. notjust for us, but the generations to come. and this is a huge responsibility. we do have all of us, especially in that time. so we have to be committed. we have to be lucid. sometimes we have to be bold. but we do need international cooperation, multilateralism. we have to rebuild that. but i mean, this is a unique chance. merci beaucoup. hello. after that misty and frosty start, it's actually turning out to be a very nice day across most of the uk — crisp with sunshine. it's not going to last, though. tomorrow we are expecting thicker cloud and outbreaks of rain, at least across some parts of the country. you can see the weather front approaching our neck of the woods here. the weather map showing that weather front later on today nudging into south—western parts of the uk, but ahead of it, as i say, a lot of fine weather. this is what it looks like for the rest of today. clear conditions across the bulk of the country, temperatures of around ten degrees, but come the evening we are expecting that rain to reach cornwall, devon. it will nudge into wales as well late in the evening, then overnight possibly reaching northern ireland and also the midlands, as well as southern england. to the north of that, clearskies, light winds, a touch of frost widely across scotland and northern england. with that, also some mist and fog through the lowlands, maybe the vale of york. out towards the west and the south—west, a different picture. we're stuck underneath that weather front, so it's going to be a gray and rainy story. let's have a look at the forecast at ii.00am on remembrance sunday. sunshine for inverness and for aberdeen, newcastle too, but then here's that weather front and it's raining from belfast through liverpool, manchester, birmingham, possibly in london. now notice that the rain isn't heavy at all. in fact, some drier slots there in the south of the country before another sort of clump of showers arrives later on in the afternoon. i think the rain will come and go in the south, perhaps being more persistent a little bit further north. but in the north of scotland, sunshine all through the day on sunday. monday onwards, it's a big low pressure parked in the north atlantic. the weather fronts zipping our way. a really wet picture and also very, very windy. gale force winds are possible, particularly around these western coasts, but blustery inland too. again, it won't be raining all the time. i think later in the day on monday that rain will transfer northwards. relatively mild at 13 to 15 degrees celsius. looking at the outlook for the week ahead, a lot of these rain icons. perhaps a glimmer of hope of something brighter towards the end of the week, but that's still a long way off. wherever you are, have a good day. live from london, this is bbc news. an estimated 300,000 people take to the streets of the british capital, in the largest pro—palestinian rally of its kind since the war in gaza began. police officers clash with what they describe as counter—protesters, more than 90 people have been arrested. doctors inside the biggest hospital in gaza say one baby's died and more than 30 are at risk, as electricity is cut. french president, emmanuel macron, calls for a ceasefire and tells the bbc israel must stop killing civilians in gaza. let's begin by showing you some live pictures from london. a large pro—palestinian march is under way, it began a few hours ago at hyde park, moving slowly towards the us embassy. police say more than 300,000 people have been taking part and have said that it has been peaceful. nearly 2,000 officers have been deployed across central london. the march is happening on the same day as armistice commemorations. police say the two minutes silence, which look place at 11 am local, was marked �*respectfully and without incident�*. but, as you can see from these pictures, officers have face aggression from counter—protestors who include some far—right groups. scuffles broke out as police attempted to stop them from reaching an area. police say the two—minute silence was much respectfully and without incident. there's been some trouble, though, officers have faced aggression from counter

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