in their ground operation in gaza, but pressure mounting on president biden as the humanitarian crisis worsens in gaza worsens. 400 foreign nationals have crossed into egypt today, but another 6000 trapped and waiting to get on a list. we will hearfrom one man who is desperately trying to extract his parents. 0ur panel this evening — security consultant justin crump from sybiline and the washington post's live anchor leigh anne caldwell. we will dip into the ongoing row in congress over israel and ukraine aid. and we will bring you the news from that hour—long sit—down rishi sunak had tonight with billionaire elon musk. good evening. the israeli prime minister says his country will not agree to a ceasefire with hamas. the calls for a pause in fighting, he said, are calls for a surrender. instead, the idf will be intensifying its military operations. bbc verify have been looking at the satellite pictures for us. this image is from november the ist. the israeli military appear to be advancing on four axes in the unfolding siege of gaza city. if you focus on the red circle at the bottom of your screen, this is what it looked like in a satellite image taken five days early before the military operation began. and now look at image from yesterday. you might be able to pick out the tank tracks that are wiggling into the gaza strip. here, again, the before image. and now, again, the image from yesterday showing the progress the troops have made. the israeli military said just an hour ago that it has now completed its encirclement of gaza city. the engineering corps is working to locate and neutralise the tunnel system beneath the city, though that is an emormous job as we will discuss. the head of the main us relief agency in gaza said tonight that their fuel supplies are now "completely depleted" and that the last remaining public services in gaza have "collapsed". and with only 50 trucks getting into the strip yesterday, there is pressure mounting on president biden from within his own party. last night at a rally in minnesota, he was heckled by a jewish peace protester. mr president, if you care aboutjewish people, as a rabbi, i need you to call for a cease—fire right now because... in response to that intervention, the president said he favoured a humanitarian pause. "i am the guy," he said, "that convinced bibi to call for a ceasefire to let the prisoners out. i'm the guy that talked to sisi to convince him to open the door." his travelling secretary of state will land in jerusalem in the morning. ahead of his flight, there was a focus on the humanitarian situation. israel has not only the right, but the obligation to defend itself and also to take steps to try to make sure that this never happens again. we've also said very clearly and repeatedly that how israel does this matters. we will focus as well on steps that need to be taken to protect civilians who are in the crossfire of hamas's making. and we want to look at concrete steps that can be taken to better protect them. the number of dead rose to 9000 today, although clearly in i must stress again we cannot independently verify those figures, but secretary blinken while reaffirming israel's that the defence of distress the humanitarian situation. what message will he give benjamin netanyahu 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there are splits, simmering tensions, within the group as to what the response should be. an important moment will come tomorrow when we hear from hezbollah secretary general hassan nasrallah, but it's safe to say there has been a significant uptick in exchanges all along that northern border. in fact, today, hezbollah launched two drones packed with explosives in an attack on an israeli army position in the disputed shebaa farms area of the border. a large quantity of explosives that they claim hit their target. separately, the armed wing of hamas in lebanon has said it launched they attacked i9 they attacked 19 positions along the border though that has not been confirmed. medics in israel said that two people were injured. the situation in lebanon and the splits and hezbollah and what sort of pressure the politburo of hezbollah might be under. you have the oint hezbollah might be under. you have the point about— hezbollah might be under. you have the point about the _ hezbollah might be under. you have the point about the anticipation i the point about the anticipation with the speech almost rolled like a netflix special officer media. the next few days ago whenever we look forward to what he has to say. it's a pretty big challenge for him actually because i think the us and the intelligence community assessment is public really correct that what we will hear is something we become familiar with from the russians as well which is red lines are being crossed and we are considering we will do and take this matter very seriously and obviously israel should be worn. but actually no real statements of action. but i think we're seeing that is most likely sort of thing that he is probably going to come out with but we think it's very unlikely that he will come out with a declaration of full on war against israel because it's been quite a bit of warning of what he might say that. and of course hezbollah this is now up to the worst possible time really to go to war 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is in touch with netanyahu and - right now. of course president biden is in touch with netanyahu and there| is in touch with netanyahu and there are a _ is in touch with netanyahu and there are a lot _ is in touch with netanyahu and there are a lot of— is in touch with netanyahu and there are a lot of conversations _ is in touch with netanyahu and there are a lot of conversations going i is in touch with netanyahu and there are a lot of conversations going on l are a lot of conversations going on with secretary— are a lot of conversations going on with secretary of— are a lot of conversations going on with secretary of state _ are a lot of conversations going on with secretary of state blinken i are a lot of conversations going on| with secretary of state blinken and his third _ with secretary of state blinken and his third trip — with secretary of state blinken and his third trip to _ with secretary of state blinken and his third trip to the _ with secretary of state blinken and his third trip to the store _ with secretary of state blinken and his third trip to the store began i his third trip to the store began three _ his third trip to the store began three weeks— his third trip to the store began three weeks ago _ his third trip to the store began three weeks ago but _ his third trip to the store began three weeks ago but containedl his third trip to the store began i three weeks ago but contained in this from — three weeks ago but contained in this from expanding _ three weeks ago but contained in this from expanding into - three weeks ago but contained in this from expanding into a - three weeks ago but contained in. this from expanding into a regional war is— this from expanding into a regional war is something _ this from expanding into a regional war is something at _ this from expanding into a regional war is something at the _ this from expanding into a regional war is something at the forefront l this from expanding into a regionall war is something at the forefront at the administration's _ war is something at the forefront at the administration's minded. - war is something at the forefront at the administration's minded. why. war is something at the forefront at the administration's minded. why do ou think the administration's minded. why do you think he's _ the administration's minded. why do you think he's travelling _ the administration's minded. why do you think he's travelling on - the administration's minded. why do you think he's travelling on the i you think he's travelling on the same day that hassan nasrallah is making that speech? is a coincidence or is a cop —— conscious of the ripple effect it might have across the region? b, ripple effect it might have across the region?— ripple effect it might have across the region? ripple effect it might have across the reuion? �* . , ., . the region? a great question and i don't know — the region? a great question and i don't know how _ the region? a great question and i don't know how the _ the region? a great question and i don't know how the answer - the region? a great question and i don't know how the answer to i the region? a great question and i | don't know how the answer to that. but he _ don't know how the answer to that. but he has — don't know how the answer to that. but he has been _ don't know how the answer to that. but he has been almost _ don't know how the answer to that. but he has been almost a constant| but he has been almost a constant presence _ but he has been almost a constant presence in — but he has been almost a constant presence in israel— but he has been almost a constant presence in israel over— but he has been almost a constant presence in israel over there i but he has been almost a constant presence in israel over there since| presence in israel over there since the war— presence in israel over there since the war began _ presence in israel over there since the war began and _ presence in israel over there since the war began and i— presence in israel over there since the war began and i think that- presence in israel over there since the war began and i think that as i the war began and i think that as this escalates, _ the war began and i think that as this escalates, it _ the war began and i think that as this escalates, it is _ the war began and i think that as this escalates, it is proving i the war began and i think that as this escalates, it is proving to. the war began and i think that as this escalates, it is proving to bej this escalates, it is proving to be very— this escalates, it is proving to be very long. — this escalates, it is proving to be very long. hot _ this escalates, it is proving to be very long. hot to _ this escalates, it is proving to be very long, not to be _ this escalates, it is proving to be very long, not to be very - this escalates, it is proving to be very long, not to be very quick, i this escalates, it is proving to be i very long, not to be very quick, and ithink— very long, not to be very quick, and i think that — very long, not to be very quick, and i think that the _ very long, not to be very quick, and i think that the united _ very long, not to be very quick, and i think that the united states- very long, not to be very quick, and i think that the united states has i i think that the united states has great _ i think that the united states has great interest _ i think that the united states has great interest here _ i think that the united states has great interest here in _ i think that the united states has great interest here in making i i think that the united states hasi great interest here in making sure that it _ great interest here in making sure that it does — great interest here in making sure that it does not _ great interest here in making sure that it does not expand. _ great interest here in making sure that it does not expand. let’s i great interest here in making sure that it does not expand.— that it does not expand. let's talk about the foreign _ that it does not expand. let's talk about the foreign nationals. i more foreign nationals have been allowed to leave gaza today after the days of intense diplomacy, much of which flows through qatar. we have been speaking to noaf al thani, the former director of intel operation in doha. in my view, any pause in the battle, any de—escalatory measures by the israelis will be able to decision and have a positive impact definitely on everything including negotiations. there are some 400 foreign national thought to have crossed into egypt today. the foreign office here said some of them were british passport holders, although they have not provided any detail on how many there were. quite a number of them were american citizens, but it's not entirely straightforward this. you are not called to the border unless and until your name appears on a daily list, and getting information about those lists and who will be on them is proving difficult. there are maybe more than 6000 people still trying to get out. and some reports of families being split, with some eligible for passage and some not. let's speak to loay elbasyouni. he is an american—palestinian who works for nasa. in fact, he was part of the team that created the remote helicopter that flew over the surface of mars in 2021. his parents are german citizens. they're normally in germany, but were visiting gaza when the war broke out. thank you very much for coming on the programme. what do you know about where your parents are right now? , . ~ about where your parents are right now? , . ,, i. ., about where your parents are right now? , . ,, ., . now? yes, thank you for having me. my parents — now? yes, thank you for having me. my parents right _ now? yes, thank you for having me. my parents right now _ now? yes, thank you for having me. my parents right now are _ now? yes, thank you for having me. my parents right now are in - now? yes, thank you for having me. my parents right now are in gaza i my parents right now are in gaza city. _ my parents right now are in gaza city. so — my parents right now are in gaza city. so him _ my parents right now are in gaza city, so him and try to talk to them for days— city, so him and try to talk to them for days about the possibility of leaving — for days about the possibility of leaving. we are in communication with the _ leaving. we are in communication with the german government and we -ot with the german government and we got an— with the german government and we got an e—mail earlier today and got an e-mail— got an e—mail earlier today and got an e—mail yesterday that they said do not _ an e—mail yesterday that they said do not even attempt to go to the south _ do not even attempt to go to the south of— do not even attempt to go to the south of the border as it is not safe — south of the border as it is not safe in— south of the border as it is not safe in the _ south of the border as it is not safe. in the name is not on the list _ safe. in the name is not on the list so i— safe. in the name is not on the list. so i been getting the list through— list. so i been getting the list through friends and the number of going _ through friends and the number of going on— through friends and the number of going on tv... there are three names in the entire _ going on tv... there are three names in the entire list and they are actually american citizens and not and they— actually american citizens and not and they left yesterday. today, i think— and they left yesterday. today, i think i_ and they left yesterday. today, i think i got— and they left yesterday. today, i think i got numbers but i think it's about— think i got numbers but i think it's about 104 — think i got numbers but i think it's about 104 foreign nationals with them _ about 104 foreign nationals with them i_ about 104 foreign nationals with them i think a lot of the foreign nationals— them i think a lot of the foreign nationals actually left in the biggest part is actuallyjordanians in egyptian passports, not actually western _ in egyptian passports, not actually western government or does not some of government is doing enough pressure — of government is doing enough pressure to get people out. i don't see any— pressure to get people out. i don't see any clear, you know, direction whether— see any clear, you know, direction whether from the german government or the _ whether from the german government or the american government to actually— or the american government to actually get people out. people of my parents inside of gaza, the main roads— my parents inside of gaza, the main roads in— my parents inside of gaza, the main roads in the — my parents inside of gaza, the main roads in the main street has been blocked _ roads in the main street has been blocked since three days ago and there _ blocked since three days ago and there is— blocked since three days ago and there is a car being shot with the takeover there. they are all on the beach— takeover there. they are all on the beach and — takeover there. they are all on the beach and so actually dangerous in my uncle _ beach and so actually dangerous in my uncle today was trying to salvage some _ my uncle today was trying to salvage some food — my uncle today was trying to salvage some food. they have already run out of water _ some food. they have already run out of water so _ some food. they have already run out of water so they been drinking tub water— of water so they been drinking tub water and — of water so they been drinking tub water and don't really have gas to boil it _ water and don't really have gas to boil it so — water and don't really have gas to boil it so it— water and don't really have gas to boil it so it is extremely dire situation _ boil it so it is extremely dire situation and then they may have a couple _ situation and then they may have a couple of _ situation and then they may have a couple of weeks more of fuel but his outlook— couple of weeks more of fuel but his outlook is _ couple of weeks more of fuel but his outlook is your medicine and i spoke to some _ outlook is your medicine and i spoke to some personal so some people who follow _ to some personal so some people who follow me _ to some personal so some people who follow me on instagram and randomly -ot follow me on instagram and randomly got the _ follow me on instagram and randomly got the internet and said they really— got the internet and said they really do _ got the internet and said they really do not have hot water and situation — really do not have hot water and situation is _ really do not have hot water and situation is getting really bad for the civilians on the ground. people are being _ the civilians on the ground. people are being stranded and they have no place _ are being stranded and they have no place to go. — are being stranded and they have no place to go, no safe place and now the situation will get quite a lot worse as— the situation will get quite a lot worse as the tanks role in. we are seeinr worse as the tanks role in. we are seeing these _ worse as the tanks role in. we are seeing these lovely _ worse as the tanks role in. we are seeing these lovely pictures i worse as the tanks role in. we are. seeing these lovely pictures of your parents is certainly why you're talking. how old are they? my parents is certainly why you're talking. how old are they? my dad is 75. he is a surgical my _ talking. how old are they? my dad is 75. he is a surgical my mum - talking. how old are they? my dad is 75. he is a surgical my mum is 68. i 75. he is a surgical my mum is 68. my dad _ 75. he is a surgical my mum is 68. my dad literallyjust had his birthday in the war. his health is not really— birthday in the war. his health is not really in the best condition. he does _ not really in the best condition. he does have — not really in the best condition. he does have blood pressure and stuff, so this _ does have blood pressure and stuff, so this is_ does have blood pressure and stuff, so this is something that has taken days of— so this is something that has taken days of his — so this is something that has taken days of his life and assuming he would _ days of his life and assuming he would make it, when i talk to them, they said _ would make it, when i talk to them, they said let'sjust note we live with— they said let'sjust note we live with and — they said let'sjust note we live with and survive this. they have no words _ with and survive this. they have no words to _ with and survive this. they have no words to say— with and survive this. they have no words to say they lost hope. they lost hope — words to say they lost hope. they lost hope in the denver government or they— lost hope in the denver government or they are — lost hope in the denver government or they are like whenever i open the subject. _ or they are like whenever i open the subject, theyjust know they are left behind and nobody cares about them _ left behind and nobody cares about them. �* , , ~ ., left behind and nobody cares about them. �* , , ~' ., left behind and nobody cares about them. �* , ., ., them. i'm sure they know you are t in: to them. i'm sure they know you are trying to get _ them. i'm sure they know you are trying to get them _ them. i'm sure they know you are trying to get them out _ them. i'm sure they know you are trying to get them out and - them. i'm sure they know you are trying to get them out and i'm - trying to get them out and i'm sure they're very proud of you. do you have siblings or their own people in germany trying to help and to content the government there? so my brother in germany _ content the government there? so my brother in germany has _ content the government there? so my brother in germany has been - brother in germany has been intercommunication in initially we kept calling. we have people some in the press _ kept calling. we have people some in the press trying to call to ask for status— the press trying to call to ask for status because it seemed like everybody is trying to do a lot of talking _ everybody is trying to do a lot of talking but the situation but the situation — talking but the situation but the situation is dire. we need to release _ situation is dire. we need to release now and have a cease—fire with the _ release now and have a cease—fire with the food and water getting in. this is— with the food and water getting in. this isjust. — with the food and water getting in. this isjust, there are 10,000 people — this isjust, there are 10,000 people who have died and killed in gaza and _ people who have died and killed in gaza and i— people who have died and killed in gaza and i keep hearing rumours of thousands— gaza and i keep hearing rumours of thousands under the rubble of nobody knows _ thousands under the rubble of nobody knows how _ thousands under the rubble of nobody knows how many are under the rubble and in _ knows how many are under the rubble and in these _ knows how many are under the rubble and in these areas in which we did not know— and in these areas in which we did not know if there are civilians there — not know if there are civilians there or _ not know if there are civilians there or not. you know, it'sjust... i there or not. you know, it'sjust... idoh't _ there or not. you know, it'sjust... idoh't eveh — there or not. you know, it'sjust... i don't even know. there or not. you know, it's 'ust. .. i don't even know.�* i don't even know. there is no rhyme or reason to — i don't even know. there is no rhyme or reason to who _ i don't even know. there is no rhyme or reason to who is _ i don't even know. there is no rhyme or reason to who is on _ i don't even know. there is no rhyme or reason to who is on the _ i don't even know. there is no rhyme or reason to who is on the list and i or reason to who is on the list and when they are on the list. our team has precedent government on your behalf today and we've asked the foreign office there for coming about this and what they are doing. but i'm afraid we have not had in your reply from them. so we will keep trying that. just in terms of contact, how easy is it to get lines through the gaza city? can you get any contact with them at all? can you get any updates from the family? my you get any updates from the family? my brother, like germany or before this and _ my brother, like germany or before this and he — my brother, like germany or before this and he said the parents rely. that— this and he said the parents rely. that casting but the conversation we have now. _ that casting but the conversation we have now, but i keep attempting and it's really— have now, but i keep attempting and it's really difficult and the internet clearly has gone out so we have a _ internet clearly has gone out so we have a lot — internet clearly has gone out so we have a lot of contact with people and we _ have a lot of contact with people and we lost a couple of cousins yesterday — and we lost a couple of cousins yesterday in the bombing injabalia, like one _ yesterday in the bombing injabalia, like one of— yesterday in the bombing injabalia, like one of my cousins was struck while he — like one of my cousins was struck while he was actually working. but i don't _ while he was actually working. but i don't know — while he was actually working. but i don't know. honestly, the people, the work— don't know. honestly, the people, the work for people in gaza, they 'ust the work for people in gaza, they just see — the work for people in gaza, they just see the one who is being targeted. they did not see anybody else being targeted to set civilians because _ else being targeted to set civilians because they cannot see everything on the _ because they cannot see everything on the ground and they feel they are left behind _ on the ground and they feel they are left behind and just like everybody is kind _ left behind and just like everybody is kind of— left behind and just like everybody is kind of waiting their turn. it's 'ust is kind of waiting their turn. it's just extremely sad and you cannot even _ just extremely sad and you cannot even... theyjust see it and it's us to go— even... theyjust see it and it's us to go there — even... theyjust see it and it's us to go there and we go there and then we get _ to go there and we go there and then we get hit _ to go there and we go there and then we get hit and we go there and it's 'ust we get hit and we go there and it's just complete confusion and chaos. everybody — just complete confusion and chaos. everybody seems like they have a big plant for _ everybody seems like they have a big plant for mass ethnic cleansing and pushing _ plant for mass ethnic cleansing and pushing all— plant for mass ethnic cleansing and pushing all of the population out into the — pushing all of the population out into the sinai desert and they seem very direct — into the sinai desert and they seem very direct targeting of all the hospitals and there are a lot of threats— hospitals and there are a lot of threats to _ hospitals and there are a lot of threats to the hospital specific part of — threats to the hospital specific part of my life there with my dad and nry— part of my life there with my dad and my dad rents medical department there~ _ and my dad rents medical department there i_ and my dad rents medical department there. i know floor by floor. it's very— there. i know floor by floor. it's very close — there. i know floor by floor. it's very close to the beach and there is a lot of— very close to the beach and there is a lot of propaganda around with the tunnels there. the hospital from the low side _ tunnels there. the hospital from the low side of— tunnels there. the hospital from the low side of the high side between maybe _ low side of the high side between maybe 13 — low side of the high side between maybe 13 or 14 metres above sea level— maybe 13 or 14 metres above sea level to — maybe 13 or 14 metres above sea level to maybe 15 or 20 metres all the way— level to maybe 15 or 20 metres all the way at — level to maybe 15 or 20 metres all the way at the highest level so i don't _ the way at the highest level so i don't even — the way at the highest level so i don't even seem as an engineer a possibility that you could even dig a tunnel— possibility that you could even dig a tunnel under it. so to me that seems — a tunnel under it. so to me that seems like _ a tunnel under it. so to me that seems like a bigger part of the strategy— seems like a bigger part of the strategy to force everybody to flee the hospital and to egypt and so maybem — the hospital and to egypt and so maybe... so ethically cleansing a bil maybe... so ethically cleansing a big part _ maybe... so ethically cleansing a big part of— maybe... so ethically cleansing a big part of gaza. i�*m maybe... so ethically cleansing a big part of gaza-— maybe... so ethically cleansing a big part of gaza. i'm sure you are racked with _ big part of gaza. i'm sure you are racked with worry _ big part of gaza. i'm sure you are racked with worry and _ big part of gaza. i'm sure you are racked with worry and we are - big part of gaza. i'm sure you are - racked with worry and we are sending you our best and we hope for the best for your parents and think you very much coming of the programme tonight, thank you. just to get what you been in the military and we been together in a wreck over the years when you have experience with people getting a divorce also what are the factors here complicating for the four ministries? why are they not get a clear information?— get a clear information? there is the chaos of— get a clear information? there is the chaos of war _ get a clear information? there is the chaos of war on _ get a clear information? there is the chaos of war on the - get a clear information? there is the chaos of war on the ground l get a clear information? there is| the chaos of war on the ground in gaza and the poor communication and certainly in the groups. i've been a part of working with ngos and western companies of people in gaza and the us or department you are very active in support of ngos and the private sector in these efforts. it's been the longest—running topic of conversation with this crossing opening all the arrangements to get there and how people get to know about it? their fears of there and how people get to know about it? theirfears of hanging in the cross because there has been targeting nearby the crossing and as we know against terrorist infrastructure there. normally that does as we have seen and the politics of egypt not wanting to have a rush of the border which has happened in the past around the crossing. england and they're very much fearing a flood of refugees entering egyptian territory and becoming the government so they been a significant part of this. the israel is the centre of the border crossing and he was going out and they don't want everyone able to go out and are very concerned about aid coming in because i don't wanted to go to hamas. they are not particularly amenable to these operations anyway. so significant a nomadic effort and i thinkjust to get this crossing open to allow excellent number of people across and the crossing never allows many across any time. because the egyptian concerns historically. so it will be a trickle rather than a flood and of course just getting hold people who recently survive in southern gaza is difficult and they get to move through an active war soaked to the border to cross safely and you can imagine the sort of struggle it is and i know... is a struggle it is and i know... is a coule struggle it is and i know... is a couple get _ struggle it is and i know... is a couple get up _ struggle it is and i know... is a couple get up to _ struggle it is and i know... is a couple get up to the point he made there. the palestinians think that there. the palestinians think that there is an ethnic cleansing going on here but it is a couple get up and the egyptians fear palestinians we pushed into the sinai is so they regulate that border very tightly? justin, sorry. the regulate that border very tightly? justin. sorry-— justin, sorry. the deregulated tiuhtl . justin, sorry. the deregulated tightly- they _ justin, sorry. the deregulated tightly. they are _ justin, sorry. the deregulated tightly. they are very - justin, sorry. the deregulated l tightly. they are very concerned about the situation how it develops and of course are coming out of the same pressure with a huge shuttle diplomacy if you seen with blinken to go through all the regional governments to get in issue is the month of effort to this point. this woman people have started to be allowed out who her passport holders. we have to hope it continues but of course the pressure around this remains very intense and the egyptians are watching very carefully particularly as a monetary situation deteriorates further in gaza and they will watch very carefully for that's sort of pressure on the fence. house republicans were planning a vote today on a $1 billion a vote today on a $14 billion aid package for israel, which will set up clash with the democratic—controlled senate and the white house. the bill is the first major piece of legislation that has been moved by the new republican speaker, mikejohnson. but then presidentjoe biden has threatened to veto the bill even if it passes. that is because he is seeking a much bigger $106 billion package that includes funding not only for israel, but also that $60 billion for ukraine. we heard from ukrainian mp eena sovsun last night on the programme the ukrainians say amid a renewed assault from the russians they need that money yesterday. i don't actually know where we are with this book because we were expecting it early in the day in and there were not enough publicans present in the house to vote on it, so are we going to vote tonight? yakima they're supposed to vote on it in the _ yakima they're supposed to vote on it in the next— yakima they're supposed to vote on it in the next few _ yakima they're supposed to vote on it in the next few hours _ yakima they're supposed to vote on it in the next few hours actually. - it in the next few hours actually. but it _ it in the next few hours actually. but it does — it in the next few hours actually. but it does seem _ it in the next few hours actually. but it does seem like _ it in the next few hours actually. but it does seem like it- it in the next few hours actually. but it does seem like it will- it in the next few hours actually. l but it does seem like it will pass. what's _ but it does seem like it will pass. what's happening _ but it does seem like it will pass. what's happening right— but it does seem like it will pass. what's happening right now- but it does seem like it will pass. what's happening right now is - but it does seem like it will pass. i what's happening right now is that the bite _ what's happening right now is that the bite administration— what's happening right now is that the bite administration and - the bite administration and democratic— the bite administration and democratic leadership- the bite administration and democratic leadership in l the bite administration and. democratic leadership in the the bite administration and - democratic leadership in the house is really— democratic leadership in the house is really trying _ democratic leadership in the house is really trying to _ democratic leadership in the house is really trying to hold _ democratic leadership in the house is really trying to hold democrats . is really trying to hold democrats together— is really trying to hold democrats together to — is really trying to hold democrats together to oppose _ is really trying to hold democrats together to oppose this - is really trying to hold democrats together to oppose this for- together to oppose this for the reason — together to oppose this for the reason you _ together to oppose this for the reason you stated, _ together to oppose this for the reason you stated, because . together to oppose this for the| reason you stated, because it's together to oppose this for the - reason you stated, because it's only a small— reason you stated, because it's only a small portion _ reason you stated, because it's only a small portion of _ reason you stated, because it's only a small portion of this _ reason you stated, because it's only a small portion of this larger- a small portion of this larger package of— a small portion of this larger package of the _ a small portion of this largerl package of the administration a small portion of this larger- package of the administration wants and also _ package of the administration wants and also because _ package of the administration wants and also because the _ package of the administration wants and also because the republicans i package of the administration wants and also because the republicans inj and also because the republicans in exchange _ and also because the republicans in exchange of— and also because the republicans in exchange of this _ and also because the republicans in exchange of this funding _ and also because the republicans in exchange of this funding for- and also because the republicans in exchange of this funding for israel. exchange of this funding for israel are trying — exchange of this funding for israel are trying to — exchange of this funding for israel are trying to gut _ exchange of this funding for israel are trying to gut the _ exchange of this funding for israel are trying to gut the internal- are trying to gut the internal revenue _ are trying to gut the internal revenue service, _ are trying to gut the internal revenue service, the - are trying to gut the internalj revenue service, the agency are trying to gut the internal- revenue service, the agency that collects _ revenue service, the agency that collects taxes _ revenue service, the agency that collects taxes on _ revenue service, the agency that collects taxes on americans. - revenue service, the agency that collects taxes on americans. and j revenue service, the agency that i collects taxes on americans. and so there _ collects taxes on americans. and so there is— collects taxes on americans. and so there is a _ collects taxes on americans. and so there is a lot — collects taxes on americans. and so there is a lot of— collects taxes on americans. and so there is a lot of negotiation - there is a lot of negotiation happening _ there is a lot of negotiation happening right— there is a lot of negotiation happening right now- there is a lot of negotiation happening right now with l there is a lot of negotiation - happening right now with democrats, a lot of— happening right now with democrats, a lot of very— happening right now with democrats, a lot of very pro — happening right now with democrats, a lot of very pro israel— happening right now with democrats, a lot of very pro israel democrats - a lot of very pro israel democrats have _ a lot of very pro israel democrats have come — a lot of very pro israel democrats have come out— a lot of very pro israel democrats have come out and _ a lot of very pro israel democrats have come out and said - a lot of very pro israel democrats have come out and said that- a lot of very pro israel democrats have come out and said that theyj a lot of very pro israel democrats - have come out and said that they are going _ have come out and said that they are going to _ have come out and said that they are going to oppose _ have come out and said that they are going to oppose it. _ have come out and said that they are going to oppose it. try— have come out and said that they are going to oppose it, try to— have come out and said that they are going to oppose it, try to keep the l going to oppose it, try to keep the democratic— going to oppose it, try to keep the democratic party— going to oppose it, try to keep the democratic party together. - going to oppose it, try to keep the democratic party together. and i democratic party together. and so lsrael. _ democratic party together. and so lsrael. most— democratic party together. and so israel, most members _ democratic party together. and so israel, most members of- democratic party together. and soj israel, most members of congress want _ israel, most members of congress want this— israel, most members of congress want this israel— israel, most members of congress want this israel aid _ israel, most members of congress want this israel aid to _ israel, most members of congress want this israel aid to pass- israel, most members of congress want this israel aid to pass but- israel, most members of congress want this israel aid to pass but thej want this israel aid to pass but the question— want this israel aid to pass but the question is— want this israel aid to pass but the question is how— want this israel aid to pass but the question is how is _ want this israel aid to pass but the question is how is it— want this israel aid to pass but the question is how is it going - want this israel aid to pass but the question is how is it going to- question is how is it going to pass and what — question is how is it going to pass and what are _ question is how is it going to pass and what are the _ question is how is it going to pass and what are the conditions - question is how is it going to pass and what are the conditions for. question is how is it going to pass and what are the conditions for it| and what are the conditions for it to pass? — and what are the conditions for it to pass? and _ and what are the conditions for it to pass? and that's _ and what are the conditions for it to pass? and that's very- and what are the conditions for it - to pass? and that's very complicated year~ _ to pass? and that's very complicated ear. ,, , . , ., ., , year. seen pictures of donald trump and i really — year. seen pictures of donald trump and i really tonight _ year. seen pictures of donald trump and i really tonight in _ year. seen pictures of donald trump and i really tonight in washington, l and i really tonight in washington, is it, oh, he is in houston, i'm being told. and obviously not a fan of the irs. the issue of how to fund israel spending taking $14 billion out of the irs budget, i must say i don't understand that because if you are fiscally conservative, you want people to pay their taxes and want the irs to collect taxes initially that the quickest way to reduce the deficit?
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