His plan seeks to raise the legal age of smoking every year by a year so that eventually no one can buy tobacco. Across the programme i will be discussing this with ben youdan, from ash new zealand, from the royal couege from ash new zealand, from the Royal College of physicians tobacco advisory group, and Hannah Miller, we will be speaking to those people as part of this. Where might the Prime Ministers idea for a ban come from . New zealand also brought in significant anti smoking measures last december. It has also implemented an annually rising smoking age, ensuring anyone born after 2008 will not be able to buy cigarettes or Tobacco Products in their lifetime. Similarto similar to what the Prime Minister here is proposing. It will be accompanied by a range of other measures to make smoking less affordable and accessible, including dramatically reducing the legal amount of nicotine in Tobacco Products. The government is also significantly restricting where cigarettes can be sold to remove them from supermarkets and corner stores. The number of stores legally allowed to sell cigarettes is being reduced from 6,000 tojust 600 nationwide. New zealand is determined to achieve a National Goal of reducing its National Smoking rate to less than 5 by 2025, with the aim of eventually eliminating it altogether. Lets bring in ben youdan, whos the director of ash new zealand thats action for smokefree 2025, a group that campaigns for Tobacco Control measures. Thank you so much forjoining us. Summarise first of all what the restrictions are in new zealand at the moment. Restrictions are in new zealand at the moment restrictions are in new zealand at the moment. ,. ,. ,. , the moment. Currently, you have to be 18 the buy the moment. Currently, you have to be 18 the buy cigarettes, the moment. Currently, you have to be 18 the buy cigarettes, we the moment. Currently, you have to be 18 the buy cigarettes, we have i be 18 the buy cigarettes, we have incredibly high tax, plain packaging, they cannot be advertised, they cannot be on display in stores. As of next year, we were see the number of stores reduced by about 90 down to 600. As of 2025 can cigarettes will not be allowed to be sold in new zealand with any level of nicotine that could be at all addictive. Beyond that, we have our own smoke Free Generation policy whereby anybody Born Afterjanuary 2009 will not be permitted to purchase cigarettes. It is a bit early to tell the level of success, given some of these measures were brought in quite recently. 0verall, what is the ambition . How realistic is the ambition . How realistic is the ambition to eliminate it altogether in that timeframe . I ambition to eliminate it altogether in that timeframe . In that timeframe . I think it is very realistic. In that timeframe . I think it is very realistic. Particularly in that timeframe . I think it is very realistic. Particularly in i in that timeframe . I think it is. Very realistic. Particularly in the last two, three years, we have seen absolutely huge decline in Smoking Rates, from i2 of adults, to 8 . Young people, for those ia and 15, smoking rate is now about i . It is already incredibly low and we have seen real success particularly around recent policies of high taxation and also people switching towards vaping which has put a dent in the Smoking Rates. These final endgame policies, the things that government is signalling, we need a Line In The Sand when tobacco has to end, notjust about Line In The Sand when tobacco has to end, not just about the last few smokers, but genuinely having a horizon for smoking in the country. Interesting you mention vaping because people watching will know it was something that cropped up yesterday in the aftermath of our Prime Ministers speech because there is of course a lot of concern around the Health Impacts of vaping. How do you juggle that . How do you balance and showing people who try to quit smoking have access to vaping but also make sure vaping is not accessible to people who are taking that up from scratch, who otherwise should not be accessing it . ,. , ,. , otherwise should not be accessing it . ,. ,. , it . That has been a huge challenge because we it . That has been a huge challenge because we know, it . That has been a huge challenge because we know, we it . That has been a huge challenge because we know, we have it . That has been a huge challenge because we know, we have seen i it . That has been a huge challenge i because we know, we have seen huge switching to vaping, particularly among populations with very high Smoking Rates, indigenous maori, particularly women, some of the biggest declines in Smoking Rates in a generation as a result of switching. Fora a generation as a result of switching. For a long time we had no regulations. It was available to purchase all over the place. 0nly purchase all over the place. Only very recently the government alongside being much more aggressive on tobacco, putting regulations around vaping. We are battling with that challenge of making sure we still support people who are struggling with nicotine addiction from smoking to use a safe alternative but making sure never smokers particularly young people are not taking up vaping which is certainly happening not in significant numbers here. We certainly happening not in significant numbers here. We want to learn from that significant numbers here. We want to learn from that and significant numbers here. We want to learn from that and see significant numbers here. We want to learn from that and see what significant numbers here. We want to learn from that and see what can significant numbers here. We want to learn from that and see what can be i learn from that and see what can be done here, given that our anti smoking measures seem to be following in your wake as well. Is there anything being proposed further down the line to tackle vaping . 0therwise what we will end p vaping . 0therwise what we will end up with is having vaping as the next big crisis following smoking, arent we . ,. ,. ,. , we . Yeah, and we are very certain vain is we . Yeah, and we are very certain vaping is nowhere we . Yeah, and we are very certain vaping is nowhere near we . Yeah, and we are very certain vaping is nowhere near harmful. We . Yeah, and we are very certain vaping is nowhere near harmful as| vaping is nowhere near harmful as smoking and certainly if you are a smoker you dramatically reduce your risk prima. We need to strengthen measures among young people not starting your risks. We are seeing signals from the government and potential next government around reducing places vaping can be sold, better enforcement of age restrictions on Vaping Products and better controls around the way products are marketed using imagery and icons appealing to young people or adjacent to Youth Culture and reinforcing they are a product to help adults stop smoking only. Titer . Help adults stop smoking only. Very briefl , i help adults stop smoking only. Very briefly. I want help adults stop smoking only. Very briefly, i want to help adults stop smoking only. Very briefly, i want to bring in the other two, there has been criticism from some here that the policy being brought in could lead to the creation of a black market, is that the same fear in new zealand . Definitely not the fear it will contribute to a black market because it is a policy that is about kids, young people. Young people do not have a big demand for cigarettes thatis have a big demand for cigarettes that is going to refuel and feed a black market. The concerns around here come from well established smokers who will be struggling when it is harder to buy cigarettes because that is where the demand is. It is not about kids. A smoke Free Generation is about keeping the young people free from cigarettes. The risk of a black market from that is nonexistent, really. Is nonexistent, really. Thank you for our is nonexistent, really. Thank you for your thoughts is nonexistent, really. Thank you for your thoughts on is nonexistent, really. Thank you for your thoughts on that, is nonexistent, really. Thank you for your thoughts on that, ben i for your thoughts on that, ben youdan, director of ash new zealand. Let us Take A Closer Look at the uks approach to phasing out smoking and how those who work in Public Health view rishi sunak� s latest proposals. Let us find out more on this from. Professor Sanjay Agrawal whos chair of the Royal College of physicians tobacco advisory group. What is your view on what the Prime Minister proposed yesterday . I think it is a Landmark Minister proposed yesterday . I think it is a Landmark Announcement minister proposed yesterday . I think it is a Landmark Announcement and l minister proposed yesterday . I think it is a Landmark Announcement and if we can it is a Landmark Announcement and if we can follow in the footsteps of new zealand in the steps they have taken new zealand in the steps they have taken it new zealand in the steps they have taken it is new zealand in the steps they have taken it is to be congratulated. Preventing young people from taking up preventing young people from taking up smoking is the single most important thing we can do and this announcement will support that. But in addition, announcement will support that. But in addition, we have 6. 5 million smokers in addition, we have 6. 5 million smokers in in addition, we have 6. 5 million smokers in the uk and helping them to quit smokers in the uk and helping them to quit smoking is also really important, so the measures to increase important, so the measures to increase the funding to local government stop Smoking Services is also really government stop Smoking Services is also really welcome. The entire package also really welcome. The entire package is an era defining set of measures package is an era defining set of measures that will allow the uk to be much measures that will allow the uk to be much more responsible for its public be much more responsible for its Public Health and to prevent harm to the youngest and most Vulnerable People the youngest and most Vulnerable People in the youngest and most Vulnerable People in society. I the youngest and most vulnerable peeple in society the youngest and most Vulnerable People in society. I really welcome this announcement. People in society. I really welcome this announcement. You people in society. I really welcome this announcement. You will people in society. I really welcome this announcement. You will have | this announcement. You will have heard what ben and i were discussing about the sort of double threat, the balance between not encouraging people to take up vaping unless it is a pathway to move them away from cigarettes. What do you make of how that balance was struck in the measures outlined by the Prime Minister yesterday . Measures outlined by the Prime Minister yesterday . Again, really rood, and Minister Yesterday . Again, really good, and acknowledgement Minister Yesterday . Again, really good, and acknowledgement we | Minister Yesterday . Again, really good, and acknowledgement we need to help people to quit smoking and vaping help people to quit smoking and Vaping Products are really helpful and effective, probably one of the most and effective, probably one of the most effective ways of helping smokers most effective ways of helping smokers to quit smoking. We know that smokers to quit smoking. We know that but smokers to quit smoking. We know that. But we also have seen a worrying that. But we also have seen a worrying trend in young people, children. Worrying trend in young people, children, starting to take up vaping who do children, starting to take up vaping who do not children, starting to take up vaping who do not smoke. We want to prevent that from who do not smoke. We want to prevent that from happening. His announcement that there will be a Review Announcement that there will be a review into announcement that there will be a review into all of the measures and levers review into all of the measures and levers we review into all of the measures and levers we can use to stop young people levers we can use to stop young people taking up vaping is really welcome. Things, for example, that affect welcome. Things, for example, that affect the welcome. Things, for example, that affect the promotion and advertising of vaping affect the promotion and advertising of Vaping Products to children should of Vaping Products to children should be affected, we should think about should be affected, we should think about the should be affected, we should think about the pricing of Vaping Products, so that children cannot afford products, so that children cannot afford to products, so that children cannot afford to buy them with pocket monev afford to buy them with pocket money. Various descriptions of flavours money. Various descriptions of flavours are really unhelpful and will attract children and these need to he will attract children and these need to be restricted. I think the measures announced yesterday got the balance measures announced yesterday got the balance between using Vaping Products to help adults quit smoking but to products to help adults quit smoking but to prevent the uptake of Vaping Products but to prevent the uptake of Vaping Products in but to prevent the uptake of Vaping Products in children. Products in children. Sanay, stay with us, i knowfi products in children. Sanay, stay with us, i know ben products in children. Sanjay, stay with us, i know Ben Youdan Products in children. Sanjay, stay with us, i know ben youdan are l products in children. Sanjay, stay i with us, i know ben youdan are still with us, i know ben youdan are still with us, i want to bring the some footage of the Prime Minister rishi sunak being quizzed about his new policy this morning. The conservative policy this morning. The conservative measures. Policy this morning. Tie conservative measures to policy this morning. Tte conservative measures to restrict choice are never easy but i think smoking is fundamentally different for a couple of reasons. Firstly, unlike lots of other products, that may not be good for you, there is no safe level of smoking, cannot be part of a balanced diet, also highly addictive, and responsible for one in four Cancer Deaths in our country, killed 6a,000 people a year, single biggest preventable cause of death, disability and illness we see. It puts monumental pressure on the nhs, one Hospital Admission every single minute, £17 billion it cost to the nhs and country will stop ultimately, if i think about it, does anybody however much they believe in choice, does anyone want their own children or grandchildren to grow up to smoke . The answer is probably not. Because ou are the answer is probably not. Because you are conservative. The answer is probably not. Because you are conservative. This the answer is probably not. Because you are conservative. This policy i you are conservative. This policy will make that you are conservative. This policy will make that reality you are conservative. This policy will make that reality and you are conservative. This policy will make that reality and it will make that reality and it largely goes with the grain of what is happening and we are moving towards this and this will help this along. 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Fundamentally, banning things in faire approach. Fundamentally, banning things in general faire approach. Fundamentally, banning things in general is faire approach. Fundamentally, banning things in general is not seen as being a particularly conservative thing to do. So far we have not seen huge amounts of dissent. I think the explanation you heard from the Prime Minister when heard from the Prime Minister when he was asked about why smoking is so different to measures the conservative party at various points has tried to introduce to tackle Something Like obesity, i think his explanation around framing this in terms of the nhs and young peoples future and smoking being bad for you. Stop, something he hopes will carry him through. We have heard from his predecessor the former Prime Minister is to say she will vote against it when it comes to parliament. Having spoken to some others from the same wing of the party this morning, at the moment, they are very much waiting to see exactly how it goes and i think the framing in terms of protecting young people, money saved for the nhs, it is something rishi sunak hopes will carry him through this. {shrew is something rishi sunak hopes will carry him through this. Is something rishi sunak hopes will carry him through this. Given how he has fared politically carry him through this. Given how he has fared politically recently carry him through this. Given how he has fared politically recently with has fared politically recently with the conservative party not doing that well in the polls, and with a lot of criticism and some other announcements he made yesterday, namely the scrapping of the hs2 northern like, is this anyway perhaps seen as an easy win . Perhaps seen as an easy win . Northern leg. Something that might be achievable before the next election. We know that government is launching a consultation on this matter this month. We dont know exactly when it might come to parliament but we know the labour party have indicated they would be supportive of these kinds of measures. Rishi sunak is that it will be a free vote for his mps, they will not be told they have to vote in favour of it, certainly something it seems like he might be able to deliver as a kind of Legacy Project as Prime Minister. We should say as well these measures are devolved so this is a policy when rishi sunak talks about it specifically for england, but the Welsh Government have indicated this morning they are very much willing to work with the uk government on it and move on the same direction, and the Scottish Government have said they are also already working on a tobacco action plan. It seems very much like the nations will move forward is more or less in sync on this. ,. ,. ,. , this. You will have heard what we were saying. This. 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We heard the Chief Medical Officer for england chris whitty this morning telling the bbc it is something that absolutely must go. I think there is absolutely must go. I think there is a kind of early move towards action around vaping but politically perhaps it will be more difficult for all of the reasons you are talking about earlier, in the sense vaping is seen as being a useful tool to help people away from smoking but not something the government wants people to be taking up government wants people to be taking up if they are not already smokers. The Politics Around that and the legislation around it will perhaps be a little more complicated than this announcement made yesterday. Hannah, thank you for bringing us the political analysis, my colleague, Hannah Miller, Political Correspondent at millbank. Let us bring in ben and sanjay again, i want to pick up on the point of vaping because it is a key part of all of this as well. As hannah mentioned, chris whitty, Chief Medical Officer for england, when mentioned, chris whitty, Chief Medical 0fficerfor england, when he spoke to the bbc this morning, on bbc breakfast, he talked about the risks of vaping as well and he mentioned that vaping is slightly less harmful than smoking, although he did say it is quite a low bar. Now would be a good time to speak again to sanjay, professor Sanjay Agrawal, chair of the Royal College of physicians tobacco advisory group, see if you can give us a slightly clearer indication of where the home level lies . Chris whitty, Chief Medical Officer, slightly less harmful than smoking, but it is a low bar. Where do we stand with the health risks of vaping compared to smoking . Health risks of vaping compared to smokin . , health risks of vaping compared to smokin. . ,. ,. , health risks of vaping compared to | smoking . Products smoking . Vaping proects products have been used smoking . 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For example, in films, music videos, gaming videos. 50 there is a huge influence from industry that really make people experiment with tobacco. And then they get hooked. There is an really free choice in the take up of tobacco. They become addicted, often for life, with the consequence they die from smoking. The measures announced actually will help those kids have that choice until they are adults and decide what to do for themselves. This supports free choice. I themselves. This supports free choice. ,. ,. Choice. I want to bring you in, ben youdan. Choice. I want to bring you in, ben youdan i choice. I want to bring you in, ben youdan. I want choice. I want to bring you in, ben youdan. I want to choice. I want to bring you in, ben youdan. I want to ask choice. I want to bring you in, ben youdan. I want to ask you choice. I want to bring you in, ben youdan. I want to ask you about. Youdan. I want to ask you about Tobacco Companies taking action themselves, imperial has said it is taking steps to try to prevent access to vaping. Have you seen similar approaches from Tobacco Companies where they are taking steps that are not necessarily in their direct financial interest to help reduce access to their products . To help reduce access to their products . Help reduce access to their roducts . ,. , , � , products . To an extent, yes. British american Tobacco Products . To an extent, yes. British American Tobacco and products . To an extent, yes. British American Tobacco and imperial, products . To an extent, yes. British American Tobacco and imperial, the i American Tobacco and imperial, the biggest American Tobacco and imperial, the Biggest Companies here, they have certainty Biggest Companies here, they have certainly tried to show they have a level certainly tried to show they have a level of certainly tried to show they have a level of responsibility about this. However. Level of responsibility about this. However, they make up the minority of the however, they make up the minority of the vaping market. The majority is smatter of the vaping market. The majority is smaller domestic businesses who try is smaller domestic businesses who by and is smaller domestic businesses who by and large have been very responsible and it is those businesses who worked with the stop smoking businesses who worked with the stop Smoking Services to provide them with vapes Smoking Services to provide them with vapes for clients and ranchers and support for people discharged from hospital to use vapes to quit snroking from hospital to use vapes to quit snroking if from hospital to use vapes to quit smoking. If they have done anything, the bigger smoking. If they have done anything, the Bigger Companies like British American the Bigger Companies like british American Tobacco have probably been the ones American Tobacco have probably been the ones doing the most damage to policies the ones doing the most damage to policies around vaping because it has been policies around vaping because it has been those companies who until we had has been those companies who until we had legislation was spending huge sums of we had legislation was spending huge sums of Money Advertising vaping through sums of Money Advertising vaping through adverts on tv and social media, through adverts on tv and social media, Building Followings around products. Media, Building Followings around products, placing them with celebrities. I think actually the tobacco celebrities. I think actually the Tobacco Companies have probably been a bigger Tobacco Companies have probably been a bigger hindrance to having good vaping a bigger hindrance to having good vaping policy here and also a big Hindrance Vaping Policy here and also a big hindrance to try to get good Tobacco Boticy hindrance to try to get good tobacco policy here hindrance to try to get good tobacco oli here. ~ hindrance to try to get good tobacco oli here. , i. Hindrance to try to get good tobacco policy here policy here. Thank you. We have to leave it there, policy here. Thank you. We have to leave it there, thank policy here. Thank you. We have to leave it there, thank you policy here. Thank you. We have to leave it there, thank you to policy here. Thank you. We have to leave it there, thank you to ben. Leave it there, thank you to ben youdan, director of ash new zealand, and thank you to professor Sanjay Agrawal, chair of the Royal College of physicians tobacco advisory group, thank you both for your time. A reminder of the development, in his Conference Speech yesterday, the Prime Minister which is announced a plan to phase out smoking, a plan seeking to raise the legal age of smoking by a year every year so eventually no one can buy tobacco. Not feeling very october capped that, here is carol. Hello, again. For many of us, its been a pretty wet start to the day. Some heavy rain has been sweeping in from the west, pushing eastwards and its also rather breezy as well. Further south, though, after this mornings showers and drizzle, the rain moving away, Brightening Up across central and eastern parts of england, The Rain Moving Out of Northern Ireland, so itll brighten up for you later as well. But still some rain pushing across parts of wales, Northern England and scotland. The wind will pick up through the day, particularly across the irish sea and also into western scotland. Through this evening and overnight, the rain continues into the northern isles. Weve got this trailing front across parts of england, wales and Northern Ireland, clipping southern scotland at times. But on either side of that, there will be variable amounts of cloud. Its not going to be as cold a start to the day tomorrow across Northern Scotland as it was this morning when temperatures were very close to freezing in places. So, a mild start to the day tomorrow. We still have this trailing front, if anything moving a little bit north with its rain. But on either side of it, there will be some sunshine and windy across the far north of scotland with temperatures in lerwick 13 degrees but creeping up in the southeast to about 22. Now, as we move from friday into saturday, this Weather Front has been giving us a real headache as to its position all week. This is what we think at the moment. It will be bringing Rain Steadily northwards across scotland. For the rest of england and wales and Northern Ireland and later in the day southern scotland, it will be a dry day with a fair bit of sunshine and feeling warm the further south that you are temperatures up to 25 or indeed 26 degrees. All this warm air is coming up from the near continent. High pressure trying to build in and push this rain away as we head in through sunday and into monday. How successful is it . Well, it will be across the far north of scotland, but it will also be windy on sunday. But for the rest of us, were looking at a dry day, a fine day, a fair bit of sunshine around. Temperatures in aberdeen, ia degrees. Into the mid 20s, possibly 26, in the southeast. So, as you can see, well above average for the bulk of the uk for the time of year. But how long does it last . Well, in southern areas, it will last right the way into next week. But we do have a Weather Front sinking south and behind that well see some fresher conditions return with some rain. Live from london, this is bbc news. Ukraines president arrives in granada, where leaders from 47 European Countries are gathering for a summit, with russias invasion of ukraine top of the agenda. At that summit, rishi sunak will call for more co ordinated action to tackle the number of migrants arriving in europe. We have a Special Report from inside Nagorno Karabakh, as azerbaijans president cancels planned talks with the armenian Prime Minister. This was the front line with the armenian rebels holding this ridgeline overlooking their city down there in the valley. And the mens Cricket World Cup is under way in india, hello, im luxmy gopal. Ukraines president zelensky has arrived in the spanish city of granada, where 47 eu and non eu leaders are gathering for a summit. Ukraine is on the agenda and so is the Nagorno Karabakh conflict. There had been hopes of peace talks but azerbaijans president has boycotted the meeting complaining of pro armenian bias. Migration is the other big topic up for discussion