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One big question change for the better. So we have one big question this change for the better. So we have one big question this morning, i change for the better. So we have i one big question this morning, how does Rishi Sunak Plan to get back your support . Live to take our questions rishi sunak, the Prime Minister himself. Wes streeting, one of labours team, trying to shove him out of office, is here too. And whats it like to play a Politician Megastar of stage and screen, Dame Helen Mirren, tells us exclusively about her latest film. My father would hide hide us in the cellar and wed stay silent, hoping the killers would pass us by. Im not that little girl hiding in the cellar. Morning, morning from the bbc in salford. Helping us pick through the news and pick over the Prime Ministers interview fraser nelson, the editor of the tory bible, the spectator magazine, baroness louise casey, troubleshooter and former government adviser, and jon culshaw actor and impressionist wholl be his target today . Lets have a look at the papers first. And many of them lead on Government Announcements or interviews. The Sunday Express has one billion pound lifeline for derelict high streets. The Sunday Telegraph has shapps to send uk troops to ukraine, and The Sunday Times has Badenoch Piles Pressure on sunak to quit echr. The Observer Says an Education Minister has been keeping secret files on critics of their School Policy but the independent claims the tories are headed for an election wipe out and fraser that is the question that hangs over the conference, rishi sunak is trying to rebrand himself after being in a long period of the doldrums. He is t in to long period of the doldrums. He is trying to redefine long period of the doldrums. He 3 trying to redefine himself from being Manager Realist and more radical, slaying various dragons, there was an opinion poll showing there was an opinion poll showing the tory deficit was down to ten points, it was 20 not so long ago so it will das the tories, if they can get to tenby ten points by christmas they might scrape it by next year. Christmas they might scrape it by next ear. , ,. , next year. How big is the scale of challenge . Next year. How big is the scale of challenge . How next year. How big is the scale of challenge . How big next year. How big is the scale of challenge . How big is next year. How big is the scale of challenge . How big is the next year. How big is the scale of challenge . How big is the scale l next year. How big is the scale of| challenge . How big is the scale of the policy challenge, the problems of the country . The the policy challenge, the problems of the country . The policy challenge, the problems of the country . The key thing for me whether its of the country . The key thing for me whether its labour of the country . The key thing for me whether its labour or of the country . The key thing for me whether its labour or conservative l whether its labour or conservative is if they whether its labour or conservative is if they have to grip the huge problems is if they have to grip the huge problems that were made so significantly worse by the pandemic, the number of people using food banks, the number of people using food banks, the number of people homeless, the real fishers in our communities and societies which we need Long Term Solutions to and not quick need Long Term Solutions to and not quick fix need Long Term Solutions to and not quick fix it need Long Term Solutions to and not quick fix it so thats what ill be looking quick fix it so thats what ill be looking for. Ion quick fix it so thats what ill be looking for looking for. 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I suppose the War On Motorists, the uxbridge the War On Motorists, the uxbridge byeleclion. The War On Motorists, the uxbridge by election, with the War On Motorists, the uxbridge by election, with the the War On Motorists, the uxbridge by election, with the new the War On Motorists, the uxbridge by election, with the new les the War On Motorists, the uxbridge by election, with the new les l by election, with the new les ulez by election, with the new les ulez zone. By election, with the new les ulez zone, thats by election, with the new les ulez zone, thats a by election, with the new les ulez zone, thats a key by election, with the new les ulez zone, thats a key thing. Now, the main event. This time last year, rishi sunak might have had cause to put his feet up after losing the tory leadership to liz truss, but weeks later he had his nose to the grindstone, moving into number ten to placate the markets and calm the public and he is here now. What fine lets find out what kind of Prime Minister you want to be. Youve come out as a supporter of drivers, one of the people fighting the war is in cornwall where the council is proposing a speed limit of 20 mile an hour, the kind you say is anti british, but they are a conservative council, are they fighting the war against motorists . Good morning, its fantastic to be with you, when it came to this about driving, there is a sense that lots of people wanted to stop making life easy for people who use their cars and i didnt think that was right. Because for most people are the form of transport they rely on the most, its the freedom it gives you, the ability to get around and do your day to day life and for too many people it felt like everyone was trying to stop them doing that, imposing a blanket speed restrictions, thats what we seen in wales from the Labour Government there, and also. It wales from the Labour Government there, and also. There, and also. It similar to what the there, and also. It similar to what the core there, and also. It similar to what the core conservative there, and also. It similar to what the core conservative Cornwall Council is opposing and in north yorkshire, there are more than 100 Parish Councils who want to have a 20 mile an hour limit so if you think its the wrong thing, as youve explained, will you stop conservative council bringing in these plans . Conservative council bringing in these plans . This is about local eole these plans . This is about local people being these plans . This is about local people being in these plans . This is about local people being in the these plans . This is about local people being in the driving these plans . This is about local people being in the driving seat these plans . This is about local people being in the driving seat and its about making sure that things are not imposed on local communities without their consent. Of course it makes sense to have speed limits around for Example School areas, Everyone Wants safety for our children, but these things need to be done with consent and it cant be part of this War On Motorists and when i was chancellor i will fuel duty by record amounts to help people with the cost of living because cars are important, its why weve seen, you were talking about ulez, this idea that ordinary families should be forced to pay £12. 50 to take their kids to school or do the weekly shop, these are not right for our country and its right we reset the balance here and respect and recognise people rely on their cars. � , respect and recognise people rely on their cars. � ,. , respect and recognise people rely on their cars. � ,. Their cars. Lets be clear about what you their cars. Lets be clear about what you are their cars. Lets be clear about what you are actually their cars. Lets be clear aboutl what you are actually proposing here. Ourviewers what you are actually proposing here. Our viewers will have heard you expressed sympathy for people who think driving is pretty tough these days but i want to be really clear about what you are actually proposing will stop will you stop councils, whether they are conservative, labour or any colour of the rainbow, when you stop them introducing 20 mile an hour zones as they default . Because that is really what is at stake here. You can complain about it is lots of our viewers might do but are you going to stop it happening . Because if you dont then its just rhetoric, isnt it . Dont then its ust rhetoric, isnt it . , ,. ,. , ~ dont then its ust rhetoric, isnt it . , ,. ,. , it . No, this is about make show the statutory guidance it . No, this is about make show the statutory guidance that it . No, this is about make show the statutory guidance that goes it . No, this is about make show the statutory guidance that goes to statutory guidance that goes to local councils from government is clear that making local councils doing things with the support and consent of their local communities. But if they have that, then they can. � but if they have that, then they can. ~. ,. , but if they have that, then they can. ~. ,. , can. And not imposing things on then without can. And not imposing things on then without their can. And not imposing things on then without their consent, can. And not imposing things on then without their consent, the i then without their consent, the Transport Secretary will set out the detail in his speech later on. You have been detail in his speech later on. You have been talking detail in his speech later on. You have been talking about this, we want to be really clear, what youve just said is if local councils who are democratically elected want to do it they should be allowed to do it . , ,. , do it they should be allowed to do it . ,. ,. ,. , it . What they should be allowed to do in all cases it . What they should be allowed to do in all cases is it . What they should be allowed to do in all cases is act it . What they should be allowed to do in all cases is act in it . What they should be allowed to do in all cases is act in accordance| do in all cases is act in accordance with Government Guidance and thats what we are going to bring forward, making sure the guidance to councils about how these things are done is done with regard to the needs and wants of local communities. In labour run wales a blanket imposition, a 20 mile an hour limit, and hundreds of thousands of people have risen up against that had signed a petition and it gives you a sense of the strength of feeling on this issue and i want people to know we are on their side. You this issue and i want people to know we are on their side. We are on their side. You have said if local communities we are on their side. You have said if local communities and we are on their side. You have said if local communities and local if local communities and local councils who are democratically elected want to do it they can do it and thats an important point because i think some of those in the last few days, people might think your love for motorists seems to have come to you in the Conservative Party quite recently. It was a conservative government that told cities all over the country to bring in clean air zones which was tough for the drivers of older vehicles, it was a conservative mayor who first introduced and announced the low Emission Zone in london, a conservative councils have been introducing 20 mile an hour zones and a sceptic mightjust wonder if your new found passion for this agenda comes from the fact you have Beenin Agenda comes from the fact you have been in the doldrums in the polls for a long time and yet you hung on in uxbridge in the london suburb by campaigning against the low Emission Zone that your party put forward as a plan. That is what is happening here, isnt it . The a plan. That is what is happening here, isnt it . Here, isnt it . The bit you failed to mention. Here, isnt it . The bit you failed to mention, when here, isnt it . The bit you failed to mention, when i here, isnt it . The bit you failed to mention, when i was here, isnt it . The bit you failed i to mention, when i was chancellor Ike Cut Fuel Duty by record amounts. As previous chancellors did before you. As previous chancellors did before ou. , as previous chancellors did before ou. You. Previous chancellors froze it but i cut it you. Previous chancellors froze it but i cut it by you. Previous chancellors froze it but i cut it by the you. Previous chancellors froze it but i cut it by the largest you. Previous chancellors froze it but i cut it by the largest amount pretty much on record, thats safe to drive its £100 a year over the last year. You talked about ulez, when it came to charting a new course on that net zero which i set out, i set out a way to get their more pragmatic, more proportionate, more pragmatic, more proportionate, more realistic and that will Save Families £5,000, £10,000, £15,000, £20,000. , families £5,000, £10,000, £15,000, £20. 000 if families £5,000, £10,000, £15,000, £20. 000 if i £20,000. That is disputed. If i can finish. £20,000. That is disputed. If i can finish. I £20,000. That is disputed. If i can finish, i charted £20,000. That is disputed. If i can finish, i charted that £20,000. That is disputed. If i can finish, i charted that new can finish, i charted that new course on net zero, it wasnt a kneejerk reaction to the uxbridge by election, for a long time i have had concerns about the costs being asked of Working Families when it came to meeting these Net Zero Targets and i came to the view that we could meet what our world leading targets by the way because we are doing more than anyone else but we could do it in a more pragmatic and realistic way that saves people costs, not necessarily having to switch their cars or replace their boilers particularly in rural areas, i get there will be criticism of that decision but im fine with it because i think its right long term for our country. You because i think its right long term for our country. For our country. You had concerns about the for our country. You had concerns about the costs for our country. You had concerns about the costs for for our country. You had concerns about the costs for a for our country. You had concerns about the costs for a long for our country. You had concerns about the costs for a long time, l for our country. You had concerns i about the costs for a long time, you were at the Cabinet Table busily supporting borisjohnsons Net Zero Targets, is it the case you disagreed with him privately and you are raising these concerns, or have you onlyjust realised how serious the cost might potentially have been . Which is it . Iee the cost might potentially have been . Which is it . The cost might potentially have been . Which is it . Ive raised these concerns in been . Which is it . Ive raised these concerns in the been . Which is it . Ive raised these concerns in the past been . Which is it . Ive raised these concerns in the past and been . Which is it . Ive raised these concerns in the past and ive been . Which is it . Ive raised these concerns in the past and ive been i concerns in the past and ive been Prime Minister less than a year and im responsible for it. So Prime Minister less than a year and im responsible for it. Im responsible for it. So when you were chancellor im responsible for it. So when you were chancellor you im responsible for it. So when you were chancellor you are im responsible for it. So when you were chancellor you are unhappy i were chancellor you are unhappy about the targets . I were chancellor you are unhappy about the targets . Were chancellor you are unhappy about the targets . I raised concerns about the targets . I raised concerns about the targets . I raised concerns about the costs about the targets . I raised concerns about the costs on about the targets . I raised concerns about the costs on families about the targets . I raised concerns about the costs on families and about the targets . I raised concerns| about the costs on families and when we debate these things in parliament what id like to see next time around when we set a Carbon Budget in parliament that says this is how youre going to reduce carbon emissions, at the same time the country should be considering all the things required to meet that budget, that seems to be the sensible way to do things. What i dont like is the way weve done this in the past because its not been honest with people, thats not the kind of leadership i want to bring, i want to do things differently because so if we want to change our country we have to approach our politics differently, its being upfront about what is required, these are the costs being put on people, i dont agree with them, i think we can still get there without them, i am confident of that, we are not walking away from any of our targets which are world leading and its a position that will command the broad support of the british people. Can will command the broad support of the british people. The british people. Can you be honest about the british people. Can you be honest about this, the british people. Can you be honest about this, by the british people. Can you be honest about this, by slowing | the british people. Can you be honest about this, by slowing down the pace of hitting the Net Zero Targets, you explained you wanted to do and you have had concerns for some time, pretty much every single environmental expert including lots of conservatives who care passionately about this same the obvious logic here is that you are slowing down the uks progress to hitting its climate targets and that is a short term political calculation because you have had heat from the right in your party about the green agenda, rightly or wrongly can you be honest with everybody watching this morning and say, sure, politics is part of it because you are worried about being unpopular . Because you are worried about being unoular . ~ ,. , � unpopular . Absolutely not, im focused about unpopular . Absolutely not, im focused about what unpopular . Absolutely not, im focused about what is unpopular . Absolutely not, im focused about what is right unpopular . Absolutely not, im focused about what is right for| unpopular . Absolutely not, im i focused about what is right for the country in the long term. Lets go over the facts. Weve already di carbonised faster than any other major g7 economy, that is a fact, we all have a set of targets for how much we are going to decarbonise by 2030, who is the best . We are, down 68 but i its not really a reason to give up something because you are good at it. We are going to meet these targets while we are decarbonising faster than europe, america, japan. Bind decarbonising faster than europe, america. Japan america, japan. And plenty of anal sts america, japan. And plenty of analysts say america, japan. And plenty of analysts say we america, japan. And plenty of analysts say we might america, japan. And plenty of analysts say we might not america, japan. And plenty of analysts say we might not be| america, japan. And plenty of. Analysts say we might not be on track. ,. Analysts say we might not be on track. , ,. ,. Analysts say we might not be on track. ,. , track. This is important, we are not off track, track. This is important, we are not off track. All track. This is important, we are not off track, all these track. This is important, we are not off track, all these other track. This is important, we are not off track, all these other countries | off track, all these other countries are behind us, we are ahead of them, we will continue to be ahead of them, we have an obligation to meet these targets, we will meet them, thats what our analysis says but we can do it in a proportionate, pragmatic way that says families thousands of pounds. There are critics of what we are doing, the question for them is why do they think its right to impose costs of five, ten, 15, £20,000 on families to do something we dont think is necessary to meet whilst meeting Net Zero Targets. Its fine to criticise me and disagree but you have to explain to families what you think its right to impose costs on then, i dont think it is and thats why we are charting a new course and thats an example of doing things differently and doing the right thing for the country in the long term. � ,. ~ thing for the country in the long term. � ,. ,. ,. , term. Lets talk about another longterm term. Lets talk about another longterm decision term. Lets talk about another longterm decision and term. Lets talk about another longterm decision and im i term. Lets talk about another i longterm decision and im glad term. Lets talk about another longterm decision and im glad you long term decision and im glad you mentioned tracks because there is a seamless move on to talk about the railways. We are sitting in salford next to manchester, yes or no, well h s next to manchester, yes or no, well h 5 two, high speed rail, come to this part of the world . H s two, highspeed rail, come to this part of the world . This part of the world . There is sades this part of the world . There is spades in this part of the world . There is spades in the this part of the world . There is spades in the ground this part of the world . There is spades in the ground on, this part of the world . There is spades in the ground on, im i this part of the world . There is i spades in the ground on, im not going to comment on speculation, we are getting on with it but its right to focus on levelling up because. Right to focus on levelling up because right to focus on levelling up because. , because. You were the Prime Minister of because. You were the Prime Minister of this because. You were the Prime Minister of this country because. You were the Prime Minister of this country of because. You were the Prime Minister of this country of this | because. You were the prime l minister of this country of this is not asking you about speculation, you are not a columnist, you are not a backbencher with an axe to grind, you are not someone from the rail industry, you are the Prime Minister of this country, this is your decision. Is this going to happen or not . Weve got spades in the ground, i am not going to comment on further speculation. But we are absolutely committed to levelling up across this country. Just today, we have announced a new plan come a Long Term Plan actually to focus on people in towns, more people live in towns than big cities in our country and they dont get the attention that they deserve. And my view is that they deserve. And my view is that we need to focus on the long term thing is that we need to focus on the long term things that will make our town better places to live, but local people in control, and thats why we are backing them with £1 billion of funding to help 55 towns across the country to level up. Better high streets, more security and less homelessness. Making sure they protect civic assets. And they will be given town, empowering local people and putting them in charge of those decisions to help support them. That is an example of levelling up this Conservative Party is delivering today. Conservative party is delivering toda. , , Conservative Party is delivering toda. , today. Many people might be pleased today. Many people might be pleased to hearthat today. Many people might be pleased to hear that. You today. Many people might be pleased to hear that. You say today. Many people might be pleased to hear that. You say you today. Many people might be pleased to hear that. You say you are to hear that. You say you are committed to long term decisions, yet you are visibly refusing to make a long term decision at this stage about hs2. You have even got it branded on your slogan at the conference, long term decisions for a brighterfuture. And yet, you wont tell people the decision on hs2. And it is notjust about your political critics picking you up on this, it is also people in your own party. Businesses are alarmed by your wobbling on this decision. Andy street the mayor of the west midlands, a conservative, says the wobbling over hs2 risks making the uk look a laughing stock. I wobbling over h52 risks making the uk look a laughing stock. Uk look a laughing stock. I would completely uk look a laughing stock. I would completely reject uk look a laughing stock. I would completely reject that. Uk look a laughing stock. I would completely reject that. I uk look a laughing stock. I would completely reject that. I speak i uk look a laughing stock. I wouldj completely reject that. I speak to Business Leaders all the time and i have just been around the world and in japan and have just been around the world and injapan and america and europe. We are attracting billions of pounds of investment into this country and creating jobs everywhere. You talk about levelling up. Because of brexit, we have created three ports in places like teesside where there is record investment supporting industries of the future. We have signed trade deals with the Fastest Growing parts of the world like asia, this is what i hearfrom Business Leaders aberrant around the world, they are excited about the world, they are excited about the Opportunity Investment in britain offers. The Opportunity Investment in britain offers. There has been concern over britain offers. There has been concern over changing britain offers. There has been concern over changing the i britain offers. There has been concern over changing the goalposts on net zero and the H52 Wobbling The Decision whenever we are going to get it. Changing your mind may be the right thing to do, but it has a cost. I would just like to play you and our viewers a clip. Its become clear to me over recent months that the Conservative Party are drifting out of touch with the needs of business, of the environment and, also, the everyday people that my Business Touches and serves. That is richard walker, i know some of your colleagues will say he is grumpy because he wanted to be a conservative mp and has not found a seat to run in. He is the boss of iceland, a Big Important Company in this country. He is hacked off, you have former Prime Ministers hacked off over your wobble on hs2. A big group of tories rattling your cage and demanding tax cuts. You have even got michael gove, your close colleagues this morning, saying there should be tax cuts before the general election. With your changes of heart, have you really got your party Under Control . Party Under Control . Look, with richard, party Under Control . Look, with richard. As party Under Control . Look, with richard, as you party Under Control . Look, with richard, as you said, party Under Control . Look, with richard, as you said, i party Under Control . Look, with richard, as you said, i think i party Under Control . Look, with richard, as you said, i think he | party Under Control . Look, with i richard, as you said, i think he was trying to stand as a conservative candidate, but he talked about net zero and making sure we are prioritising Working People, that is the decision i have made. Mr; the decision i have made. My ruestion the decision i have made. My question is the decision i have made. My question is the impact of speaking people by changing your mind. Change ma be people by changing your mind. Change may be uncomfortable people by changing your mind. Change may be uncomfortable for people by changing your mind. Change may be uncomfortable for people, i may be uncomfortable for people, people may be critical of it, but i believe i am doing the right thing for the country. I am not going to shy away from that. If i believe the right thing to do is to chart a new course for net zero to save ordinary families 5 million to £20 million, i am going to do it and if anyone wants to be critical of that decision, i am ok with that and they should be the ones to explain why they think it is right to put those costs on people. It might be fine for them to afford it, it is not for us and i dont think it is right. I am a conservative, of course i want to cut taxes and the best cut i can deliver for british people to cut taxes and the best cut i can deliverfor british people is to cut taxes and the best cut i can deliver for british people is to halve inflation and thats why it was one of the first of my priorities. I was one of the first of my priorities. Was one of the first of my riorities. ,. ,~ ,. , was one of the first of my riorities. ,. ,. ,. Priorities. I want to ask you about Michael Goves priorities. I want to ask you about Michael Goves comments. It i priorities. I want to ask you about Michael Goves comments. It is i Michael Goves comments. It is really important Michael Goves comments. It 3 really important because you just said something i completely disagree with, inflation is a Tax Committee said it wasnt, it is a tax, it impacts the poorest people the most and thats why the best tax cut that i can deliver is to halve inflation. And thats why. Inflation is technically not a tax cut, but lets not have a debate. Economically, the effect it has not have a debate. Economically, the effect it has on not have a debate. Economically, the effect it has on people not have a debate. Economically, the effect it has on people is to not have a debate. Economically, the effect it has on people is to eat i effect it has on people is to eat into their pockets, it puts up the prices of things and it effectively acts as a tax and thats why we must bring it down and thats why we are in the plans are working. Mr; in the plans are working. My ruestion in the plans are working. My question to in the plans are working. My question to you, Prime Minister, this morning, is about the impact of the changes you have been making and you are explaining you think they are the right things to do and basically saying, bring it on, your critics. But on the one specific make your close colleague michael gove this morning has said you should, to cutting taxes for Working People before the next election and will you make that commitment . 5 i will you make that commitment . As i said, the will you make that commitment . As i said. The bests will you make that commitment . I said, the bests tax cut we can give Working People is to halve inflation. 50 Working People is to halve inflation Working People is to halve inflation. , �. ~. Inflation. So you wont make that commitment inflation. So you wont make that commitment right inflation. So you wont make that commitment right now. Inflation. So you wont make that commitment right now. I inflation. So you wont make that commitment right now. I am i inflation. So you wont make that commitment right now. I am a i commitment right now. I am a conservative, commitment right now. I am a conservative, i commitment right now. I am a conservative, i want commitment right now. I am a conservative, i want to i commitment right now. I am a conservative, i want to cut i commitment right now. I am a i conservative, i want to cut taxes. You asked me about making changes, change may be difficult, but i believe the country wants change and i will do things differently to bring about that change. You saw that last summer, when it came to this question, i said the most important priority we face is to bring inflation down. Inflation is putting prices people up and making people feel poorer, the quicker we bring inflation down, the better it is and thats why it is the right priority and we are making progress and in the last few months, the numbers are coming down. We have to stick to the plan because eggs are tough and we are making progress. You have made that point, but who voted for the programme you are putting Forward Question i am putting Forward Question i am putting Forward Question i am putting forward a programme i believe is right for this country. When i got thisjob, it was not the easiest of circumstances and you alluded to that and my First Priority was to bring immediate relief to people and support the cost of living which we have done with energy plans, put a plan in place to stop the boats. In the First Time Since the small boats phenomenon rose, the numbers of people are down by if it, so we are making progress. Nowi people are down by if it, so we are making progress. Now i want to show the country how we will change things for the better in the long term and that means doing things differently, making decisions to make a difference to peoples lives, even if i get criticism, that its what the Net Zero Decision was about and that is howl its what the Net Zero Decision was about and that is how i plan to lead. I about and that is how i plan to lead. ~ ,. Lead. I think when the public looks at this, lead. I think when the public looks at this. They lead. I think when the public looks at this, they sometimes lead. I think when the public looks at this, they sometimes wonder, i lead. I think when the public looks i at this, they sometimes wonder, this time last year, we asked liz truss who voted for her programme, which of course imploded, and the answer was about 80,000 tory party members, you didnt go through a leadership contest. So no one voted for the changes you are now making. And i wonder, are you relaxed about that . No, because i believe i am doing what is right, i did that last summer and i stood up for my principles and i said what i thought was right to the country and fighting inflation was a priority and you cant borrow your way out of doing that. I stuck to my guns and i will always do what is right for the country and that is what i am doing now. In country and that is what i am doing now. ,. ,. ,. Now. In terms of what the public voted for. Now. In terms of what the public voted for. So now. In terms of what the public voted for, so much now. In terms of what the public voted for, so much of now. In terms of what the public voted for, so much of the i now. In terms of what the public voted for, so much of the 2019 i voted for, so much of the 2019 manifesto that you stood on has just disappeared. You are wobbling on hs2. You have changed the Net Zero Targets, the Long Term Plan for social care is not happening. Your Health Secretary admitted a few weeks ago the a0 new hospitals are not all going to be new hospitals after all. Your allies are saying now people will see the real rishi sunak in the second phase. But is the real rishi sunak someone who is willing to chuck much of the 2019 manifesto over the side when you have been behind in the polls . You are sa in have been behind in the polls . M. Are saying things that are just not true about tracking Net Zero Targets, that is just not true, we havent shifted them. They remain exactly the same cupboard they are legislated for. How we get there is a was a matter of government policy, the targets are the same, it is wrong to suggest the targets of change, they havent. It is wrong to suggest they have been watered down, they havent, they are set in law. The dates of how you get there have been shifted. The dates of how you get there have been shifted been shifted. There are over 100 different policies been shifted. There are over 100 different policies to been shifted. There are over 100 different policies to help been shifted. There are over 100 different policies to help us i been shifted. There are over 100 different policies to help us get i been shifted. There are over 100. Different policies to help us get to net zero. They were not all on the 2019 manifesto, the government constantly has a programme of figuring out what the right way to get there is and i have charted a different way to get the same destination. One that Save Families, 5,000 to £15,000 i think is right. But yourfundamental 5,000 to £15,000 i think is right. But your fundamental question is that i am doing what i believe is right for the long term of our country. I am right for the long term of our country. Iam prepared right for the long term of our country. I am prepared to change things, i am going to do things differently, im going to do what i believe is right. I get people will believe is right. I get people will be critical without, i am ok with that. I will be guided what i believe is right and i believe what i am doing is right for the british people. Whether it is a new Corsa Net Zero which will save them money, whether it is putting in place legislation to enable us to stop the boats because it should be the british people who decide who comes to our country and criminal gangs. These are the types of decisions i am going to put in place because i believe they are right and i was stuck to my guns. Lode believe they are right and i was stuck to my guns. 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I think that means you have to do politics differently and that is what you have seen a net zero and that is what you will keep seeing from me Going Forward because i can leave this country in a different way to ensure we get this country on a pad to a brighterfuture. That ensure we get this country on a pad to a brighter future. That is what this conference is going to be about and that is what i leadership is about. ,. ,. , ~ and that is what i leadership is about. ,. ,. , 4 ,. , about. You mentioned you think you have a good about. You mentioned you think you have a good of about. You mentioned you think you have a good of where about. You mentioned you think you have a good of where sense about. You mentioned you think you have a good of where sense the i have a good of where sense the public is at. Lets look at what the public is at. Lets look at what the public associates with you and we asked them and we did and we did this with ed davey the liberal leader and we will do it with keir starmer, we used a word cloud to ask what people associate you with and we will show you that the Liberal Democrats leader. What many people associate with you, rightly or wrongly, is your personal wealth. What does that make you think, does that worry you that people might think you are out of touch . Or perhaps you are very wealthy, you could be living on a beach and not working at all, a lot of people would think you could do anything good on you for being in public service, but what goes through your mind seeing that . Mr; service, but what goes through your mind seeing that . Mind seeing that . My ob is to deliver four i mind seeing that . My ob is to deliver four people. I mind seeing that . My job is to deliver four people. We i mind seeing that . My job is to deliver four people. We have i mind seeing that . My job is to i deliver four people. We have talked a lot about this Net Zero Decision. Hang on, i think people would really like to know about your response and not that we have talked about the net zero response. This not that we have talked about the net zero response. Net zero response. This is a great examle, net zero response. This is a great example. That net zero response. This is a great example, that we net zero response. This is a great example, that we did net zero response. This is a great example, that we did motivated l net zero response. This is a great i example, that we did motivated my meat wanting to ease the burden on families. I may get criticism from that motivated by me. People might be able to afford changing their boilers in their home off the gas grid or changing a car sooner than necessary, it might be fine for them, i dont think it is right, i dont think it is necessary, i want to Save Families that money and thats why i made the decision i did and why i feel good about it. Those fi. Ures are and why i feel good about it. Those figures are disputed, and why i feel good about it. Those figures are disputed, but and why i feel good about it. Those figures are disputed, but you i figures are disputed, but you clearly feel good about what youre doing. Clearly feel good about what youre doinu. , ~ , clearly feel good about what youre doinu. , ~ , clearly feel good about what youre doini,. , 4 , i. Doing. You keep saying they are dis uted, doing. You keep saying they are disputed. If doing. You keep saying they are disputed, if you doing. You keep saying they are disputed, if you live doing. You keep saying they are disputed, if you live on doing. You keep saying they are disputed, if you live on and i disputed, if you live on and Off Grid Gas Property that doesnt have a pc rating it was legislated to get to and ask someone how much it costs to upgrade the Energy Efficiency of that home and putting a heat pump, they would take £20,000, it is not a made up vigour. I am not saying it is made up, but the scale of how many families would effect. ~. , ,. ,. , effect. Millions, it is millions of families that effect. Millions, it is millions of families that would effect. Millions, it is millions of families that would have i effect. Millions, it is millions of families that would have been i families that would have been impacted and that wasnt right. We are almost out of time. Ijust are almost out of time. I just wonder, you took over after such a crazy time in our politics. We have had no nearly a year of you in the job. You must sometimes think about your predecessor, your former colleagues. He was the better Prime Minister, borisjohnson liz truss . Everyone has great strengths and bring Something Different to the job, i am bring Something Different to the job, iam not bring Something Different to the job, i am not interested bring Something Different to the job, iam not interested in bring Something Different to the job, i am not interested in the past, i am interested job, i am not interested in the past, iam interested in job, i am not interested in the past, i am interested in the future what i can bring to thejob and past, i am interested in the future what i can bring to the job and that is what the country wants. He will get from is someone who does what is right for the long term of the country, i am right for the long term of the country, iam not right for the long term of the country, i am not going to take the easy way out and focus on the short term, i will focus on what i believe is right in the long term. That is the leadership i am going to bring. I spent the first year stabilising things, making progress on bringing inflation down, reducing the number of Boat Crossing is coming and now i will set out a direction for our country that will lead us to a better place. But that involves doing things differently, that involves bringing change, but that is what i want to do, i want to bring the change and that is what the country once. Bind bring the change and that is what the country once. The country once. And you are clearly pitching the country once. And you are clearly pitching yourself i the country once. And you are clearly pitching yourself as i the country once. And you are| clearly pitching yourself as the change candidate who believes he is the change and the person who believes he is the change candidate is keir starmer. Politics can be brutal, but it is not all rough and tumble, so is there anything you admire about him because tomorrow i have given that away, we will ask him next week too. I am not interested in personalities, people can make up their own minds, i am interested personalities, people can make up their own minds, iam interested in setting out my vision for the country and people can make their own decisions. But i would say you have to take a stand on things, i dont expect everyone to agree with me, but people will have a clear idea of what i believe and what i stand for and the direction i believe is right for the country. I believe is right for the country. I believe say nothing is an abdication of leadership, quite frankly. I am interested in setting out a clear Direction Of Travel based on my valleys which i think are the values shared by the british people and thatis shared by the british people and that is how we will do things now. Values. We will do things differently and change how the way we do politics and that is how we will change our country. Will change our country. Prime minister. Will change our country. Prime minister, thank will change our country. Prime minister, thank you will change our country. Prime minister, thank you for i will change our country. Prime| minister, thank you for coming will change our country. Prime i minister, thank you for coming and spending your time here this morning, conference is always a packed time. Thanks for having me. Key so much. Thank you so much. What do you reckon . As ever, chip in at kuenssberg bbc. Co. Uk, on the hashtag bbclaurak, or follow the conservation on the bbc live page as it unfolds. Fraser, what did you think . This is a different rishi sunak to the one we saw three weeks ago. He has an agenda in a more palpable way then he had a few months ago. He was quite passionate and not up for letting you interrupt him giving his responses. And he almost welcomes the battle. He sees these corporate guys, Malcolm Walkerfrom Iceland and thinks, bring it on. His position is, i am standing with the mainstream British Public opinion, im defying the lobbies who want these green targets, i am going to take flakfor these green targets, i am going to take flak for it, so be these green targets, i am going to take flakfor it, so be it. But these green targets, i am going to take flak for it, so be it. Take flak for it, so be it. But he thinks it might take flak for it, so be it. But he thinks it might be take flak for it, so be it. But he thinks it might be worth take flak for it, so be it. But he thinks it might be worth it. Take flak for it, so be it. But he thinks it might be worth it. You take flak for it, so be it. But he thinks it might be worth it. You saw a glorious i rolled the cameras may not have captured right there. What did you think . Not have captured right there. What did you think . Did you think . A glorious eye roll. To did you think . A glorious eye roll to be did you think . A glorious eye roll. To be honest, did you think . A glorious eye roll. To be honest, within did you think . A glorious eye l roll. To be honest, within minutes of him roll. To be honest, within minutes of him talking about driving and being of him talking about driving and being pro of him talking about driving and being pro drivers, the entire discussion unravelled because essentially, my big concern about this new essentially, my big concern about this new rishi sunak, it is a rebrand this new rishi sunak, it is a rebrand i this new rishi sunak, it is a rebrand. I understand this, it is politics rebrand. I understand this, it is politics and rebrand. I understand this, it is politics and he wants to be the prime politics and he wants to be the Prime Minister and politics and he wants to be the Prime Ministerand win politics and he wants to be the Prime Minister and win the next election Prime Minister and win the next election. And what we are seeing is somebody election. And what we are seeing is Somebody Setting out things that they are Somebody Setting out things that they are saying our new and this and that and they are saying our new and this and that and the they are saying our new and this and that and the other. Driving 20 mph, that and the other. Driving 20 mph, that is that and the other. Driving 20 mph, that is fascinating because as you pointed that is fascinating because as you pointed out to him, every local authority pointed out to him, every local authority in the country has the Ability Authority in the country has the ability if authority in the country has the ability if they want to to vary that 20 mph ability if they want to to vary that 20 mph limit and safety people would be very 20 mph limit and safety people would be very concerned about that. So within be very concerned about that. So within seconds or minutes of that questioning, it unravelled. And i suppose questioning, it unravelled. And i suppose that is my fundamental concern suppose that is my fundamental concern here. Is that the country isnt concern here. Is that the country isnt creaking, it is actually broken isnt creaking, it is actually broken i isnt creaking, it is actually broken. I mean, we are in salford, we are broken. I mean, we are in salford, we are in broken. I mean, we are in salford, we are in the broken. I mean, we are in salford, we are in the middle of the north west we are in the middle of the north west. There are numerous people that are using west. There are numerous people that are using food banks more than ever before are using food banks more than ever before the are using food banks more than ever before. The idea that they are on the side before. The idea that they are on the side of before. The idea that they are on the side of Working People, the vast maiority the side of Working People, the vast majority of the side of Working People, the vast majority of people who are now poor working majority of people who are now poor working so majority of people who are now poor working. So whatever is happening there working. So whatever is happening there is working. So whatever is happening there is not working for those people there is not working for those people. Thousands, millions of people people. Thousands, millions of people havent recovered from the pandemic people havent recovered from the pandemic. And i sometimes feel, and i pandemic. And i sometimes feel, and t know pandemic. And i sometimes feel, and t know i pandemic. And i sometimes feel, and t know i am pandemic. And i sometimes feel, and i know i am not a Party Conference person. I know i am not a Party Conference person. I i know i am not a Party Conference person. 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It will be interesting what Wes Streeting says, went from the bbc saying there were 7. 5 Million People bbc saying there were 7. 5 Million People on bbc saying there were 7. 5 Million People on Waiting Lists to this morning people on Waiting Lists to this morning it said there are 7. 7 million morning it said there are 7. 7 Million People on Waiting Lists, all of this Million People on Waiting Lists, all of this rings hollow, sorry, i wish i could of this rings hollow, sorry, i wish icoutd say of this rings hollow, sorry, i wish icoutd say i of this rings hollow, sorry, i wish i could say i agreed with some of what i could say i agreed with some of what he i could say i agreed with some of what he said but ijust cant. Fraser, what he said but ijust cant. Fraser, what about the control of the party . 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Over the perception that created with the public . It. Over the perception that created with the public . With the public . A lot of people broke faith with the public . A lot of people broke faith with with the public . A lot of people broke faith with the with the public . A lot of people broke faith with the tories with the public . A lot of people i broke faith with the tories thought never again. We broke faith with the tories thought never again never again. We will be back with ou tu s never again. We will be back with you guys tater never again. We will be back with you guys later in never again. We will be back with you guys later in the never again. We will be back with j you guys later in the programme. Helen mirren is no stranger to playing strong leaders, from cleopatra to catherine the great, from elizabeth i to elizabeth ii, for which, of course, she won a best actress oscar. Her latest role is a stunning transformation, in Which Mirren Plays israeli Prime Minister golda meir, during the Yom Kippur War 50 years ago. When i met dame helen, she began by telling me why she saw golda meir as a personal trailblazer back in the early 705. Four, three, two, one. Today, the egyptian and syrian army has launched an offensive against israel. Our enemies hoped to surprise the citizens of israel on yom kippur. Our troops are outnumbered seven to one if the arabs reach tel aviv. Israel will be wiped off the map. I was in my early 20s when golda first became Prime Minister, and youre too young to remember this, laura, but it was an astounding moment for young women. Because up to that point, it was incomprehensible that a woman could lead a country, let alone a country as complex and as important as israel. Just the fact she didnt put on power suits, you know, and, you know, walk around like im now running a country. On the contrary, she just stayed exactly who she was before she became Prime Minister. It was an incredibly important moment in female history, for me personally, to see that happen. It was a moment when you went, oh, my god, its possible, its possible. Because until then, it wasnt possible. Can you see why, though, sometimes, some people in your industry, some Audience Members feel uncomfortable about people playing characters . There was a huge row, for example, about Bradley Cooper playing Leonard Bernstein. Can you see why the criticism over what some people have called jewface, can you see why that gets traction, why some people are riled by it . I. I think i can see, but sometimes, i cant see, because i cant see who in this room isjewish. We are all such an amazing mix and, certainly, i dont have an issue with kirk douglas playing a viking. Kirk douglas wasjewish. I think the whole question of assuming a certain physiognomy because youre playing a particular race, there is something offensive about that. On the other hand, if youre playing Leonard Bernstein and this is really what Leonard Bernstein looked like, you know, maybe its a good idea. As i say, its a very delicate balance. When taking on the role of golda, how aware would you have been of her controversial side . So she said, you know, once, there is no such thing as palestinians. Of course, she did have a palestinian passport herself, when she first went to israel. She was a palestinian. But many people look at her and say, actually, some of her actions were unacceptable. Yes, i think thats true, in the context of todays world, absolutely. We are all the product of the society that we grow up in and the world around us and our education and all the rest of it, so, yes, absolutely, thats true, but. But are you reconciled to that . I dont need to be reconciled to that. Im not. |� m not. All im doing is playing golda during the period of the Yom Kippur War, and thats what im doing. Im not, you know, explaining her, or rationalising her, or. Justifying her. Reappraising her, you know. Im just playing a woman of that age, dealing with that situation. When i was a child in ukraine, at christmas time, my father would board up the windows of our house. Golda. To protect us from cossacks who would get drunk and attackjews. They would beatjews to death in the street for fun. My father would hide us in the cellar. And wed stay silent, hoping the killers would pass us by. I am not that little girl hiding in the cellar youve played so many great roles and whether thats through prime suspect, we dont have to go through the list but for many people one of the really wonderful roles you played, of course, was the queen. Now, you cancelled everything earlier this year to go to the bafta tribute to her. Cinema, at its best, does what her majesty did effortlessly, bring us together and unite us in a story. How did you feel when you heard that she had died . You had so many associations, notjust playing her, but i know meeting her on several occasions. I was away, i was abroad when she died and i wanted more than anything to be in england to be in britain, i should say. Actually, to be right here in london. I wanted to be here in london, with my fellow londoners, mourning, you know, the loss. Im an elizabethan, you know. My first memory, almost, is doing a little pageant for the queen being crowned. Literally, my first memory. So my whole life and career and work and everything has been in the period of the elizabethan, the second elizabethan era, so ive always called myself an elizabethan in that sense. So it was a recognition of the end of my era in many ways. Not the end of my life, but the end of my. Maybe seeing the end of my creative life, of my. Of my influence, you know, the end of my influence, if ive ever had any influence, but you know what im saying. You know, sort of realising that im on that path as well. It was very multilayered, for me, losing the queen. And very personal. And very personal, yes, very. Not because id played her, that was irrelevant. It was much more to do with my parents, that generation, the way in which she had done thejob. It was much more to do with other things, really, than playing her, honestly. Dame helen, thank you so much. Thank you. For sharing some of your stories with us today, and thank you so much for speaking to us today. Thank you. The remarkable Dame Helen Mirren speaking to us earlier this week. We heard about rishi sunaks trying to get back in the fight a little while ago. How willl labour punch back . Labours Wes Streeting is with us now. Lets start with schools. Your boss keir starmer said we cannotjustify keir starmer said we cannot justify continuing keir starmer said we cannotjustify continuing charitable status for private schools, Rachel Reeves, the shadow chancellor, said we will end that exemption where private schools are treated like charities. This week though, all of a sudden, the labour party is not doing that any more. How do you explain to our viewers why labour keeps changing its mind . 9 99 viewers why labour keeps changing its mind . 9 9,. , , viewers why labour keeps changing its mind . 9 9, 9, , 9, viewers why labour keeps changing its mind . 9 9, 9, ,. , 9, its mind . What matters is what works and we dont its mind . What matters is what works and we dont think its mind . What matters is what works and we dont think that its mind . What matters is what works and we dont think that against its mind . What matters is what works and we dont think that against the i and we dont think that against the backdrop of the serious challenges facing our country, the real pressure on Family Finances not least because the tax burden is at its highest in 70 years, that when its highest in 70 years, that when it comes to those hard choices its fair to give a Tax Exemption in vat to private schools when that money could be better invested in the education of the 93 and by the way thatis education of the 93 and by the way that is notjust my view, it wasnt the labour party who said that its not fair that we are subsidising the education of oligarchs it was michael gove. The differences hes had 13 years in the cabinet to sort this out and hasnt done anything, the labour party will tackle this so that we can invest in the education of the vast majority of kids who dont have a chance to go to private school, so they have the same chancesin school, so they have the same chances in life. Mr; school, so they have the same chances in life. School, so they have the same chances in life. My question is not about taking chances in life. My question is not about taking vat chances in life. My question is not about taking vat off, chances in life. My question is not about taking vat off, its chances in life. My question is not about taking vat off, its about i about taking vat off, its about charitable status of the schools. Now, as weve explained to viewers this morning, it was the labour policy to end the charitable status for private schools. Youve now ditched that. So is that you going soft on private schools, or is it that you didnt understand the consequences of what that change might be . We have looked carefully at what would work to achieve the goal we want, to invest more in the education of the 93 of children studying in our state schools. And to make sure we are funding that in afairway. And to make sure we are funding that in a fair way. And we dont think the subsidy to private schools is acceptable. Subsidy to private schools is acceptable subsidy to private schools is accetable. 9, 9, acceptable. Had you not looked carefully at acceptable. Had you not looked carefully at what acceptable. Had you not looked carefully at what the acceptable. Had you not looked carefully at what the impact acceptable. Had you not looked carefully at what the impact of| acceptable. Had you not looked i carefully at what the impact of the charitable status change would be . We looked at what would work most effectively and how we can make that difference as quickly as possible. We are taking the job of making sure the next election, we have a manifesto people can believe in, offering the real change our country needs and promises that we can keep. And looking at in a very practical way, if we nip if we win the next general election, how can we make the most difference most quickly . And ending the vat exemptions are private schools is easy for an incoming lover for an incoming Labour Government. We incoming lover for an incoming Labour Government. Incoming lover for an incoming Labour Government. We have heard from leading Labour Government. We have heard from leading politicians Labour Government. We have heard from leading politicians like Labour Government. We have heard from leading politicians like you from leading politicians like you and Rachel Reeves and keir starmer say, we. Private schools being charities and we will make that change, and know you have said you have looked carefully at it, we are not sure it will work so we are not going to do it any more. That is about people being able to trust what you say today, next week, in the run up to the general election and trust you will do what you say. And here in this particular instance, it suggests you have looked at it carefully enough and know you are ditching it. Tia. Looked at it carefully enough and know you are ditching it. Know you are ditching it. No, i think people know you are ditching it. No, i think people can know you are ditching it. No, i think people can take know you are ditching it. No, i l think people can take insurance know you are ditching it. Tip, i think people can take insurance from the fact the promises we make in our manifesto at the election will be premises can keep. And we are one proofing everything all policy so we dont end up in the same position as the government every single policy. You have the Prime Minister out this morning talking about 20 mph limits and when pressed under scrutiny, couldnt explain a single difference this would make to anyone in any part of the country. That difference this would make to anyone in any part of the country. In any part of the country. That is an interesting in any part of the country. That is an interesting point, in any part of the country. That is an interesting point, is in any part of the country. That is an interesting point, is this in any part of the country. That is an interesting point, is this the i an interesting point, is this the phase labour are an interesting point, is this the phase labourare in, an interesting point, is this the phase labour are in, you are bombproof and, to use your phrase, your plans before they get into the manifesto . Bombproof thing. That suggests other promises you have made before might also end up being chucked over the side and we have seen that with the promises on student these and other things keir starmer has said in his Leadership Campaign a few years ago, things have been chucked over the side, will not make it into the manifesto. If you are in this process, can you be honest about it and say to people that more of these things might disappear, even if it is for the right reasons because you want to make sure your plans are workable if you win . It make sure your plans are workable if ou win . 9 9, 999 make sure your plans are workable if ou win . 9 9, 9 99 make sure your plans are workable if ou win . , 9,. ,. , you win . It is no bad thing we are working really you win . It is no bad thing we are working really hard you win . It is no bad thing we are working really hard to you win . It is no bad thing we are working really hard to make you win . It is no bad thing we are working really hard to make sure | working really hard to make sure there is a high bar to get into labours manifesto and that bar is, is it credible, can it be delivered, will it make a real difference to peoples lives . And that is how we formulate our manifesto and that is how we can offer the real change our country needs. 50 how we can offer the real change our country needs how we can offer the real change our country needs. So other things might chane, country needs. So other things might change. Too . Country needs. So other things might change, too . Next country needs. So other things might change, too . Next week, country needs. So other things might change, too . Next week, we country needs. So other things might change, too . Next week, we will country needs. So other things might. Change, too . Next week, we will have our ta change, too . Next week, we will have our Party Conference, change, too . Next week, we will have our Party Conference, they change, too . Next week, we will have our Party Conference, they are change, too . Next week, we will have our Party Conference, they are not our Party Conference, they are not justjamborees our Party Conference, they are not just jamborees for the faithful, they are windows for voters to look in at our two parties and make a judgment about who they trust to govern. And next week at labours conference, you will see a team and a platform and a plan to give britain its future back, focused on the priorities of the country. Just look at todays newspapers. Biggest issue, the cost of living crisis, what is the coach because saying . I want a tax cut for the 1t , which would save the Prime Minister personally £300 million, instead of the nhs we have. Instead of clamping down on criminals, the Home Secretary is going after eltonjohn. What sort of priorities are these . Its interesting because the Prime Minister has been able to capture some of the agenda and he has put forward some things voters have noticed. And actually, what has happened to labour in last few weeks as you ditch the plan you had before, are you worried he might be more punchy and about put quite a bit more pressure on your party . I worried about him a good things, firstly that things will get worse for our country before the general election and secondly that with the Conservative Party, the worst is yet to come. He said at the top of the programme that the labour party is hoping to shove rishi sunak out of office, it is notjust us, it is half the cabinet. Look at todays newspapers, they are alljockeying for position and bring themselves forward with principles and policies further divorced from the priorities of the country. Mr; further divorced from the priorities of the country further divorced from the priorities of the country. My question is about labour of the country. My question is about labour being of the country. My question is about labour being able of the country. My question is about labour being able to of the country. My question is about labour being able to capture of the country. My question is about labour being able to capture the labour being able to capture the agenda and you talked about bomb proofing existing policies before they are good enough to get into the manifesto, you said more plans will come next week, will one of those plans be a plan for social care . And i have asked you about this lots of times because our viewers care deeply about this. We have asked you repeatedly when there will be a complete plan for helping the system, which is creaking, that cares for the most elderly and vulnerable in this country, when will it come . Vulnerable in this country, when will it come . Im going to try very hard not to will it come . Im going to try very hard not to torpedo will it come . Im going to try very hard not to torpedo next will it come . Im going to try very hard not to torpedo next weeks l hard not to torpedo next weeks labour conference announcements. But in terms of health and social Care Committee and you cannot separate the two, they are absolutely crucial for the future of this country. We are going to have a serious ten year plan that make sure we have got both an nhs fit for the future and also a social care system the name. We will start with the workforce and the fact we dont have people paid fairly enough so we cant recruit and retain the care workers we need, thatis and retain the care workers we need, that is number one priority and the most urgent task. But what we need is a serious Long Term Plan and that is a serious Long Term Plan and that is what labour will deliver. Is a serious longterm plan and that is what labour will deliver. Is what labour will deliver. Should we take from is what labour will deliver. Should we take from that is what labour will deliver. Should we take from that that is what labour will deliver. Should we take from that that might is what labour will deliver. Should we take from that that might be i we take from that that might be something you set out at next weeks labour conference . You something you set out at next weeks labour conference . Labour conference . You have to wait and see, labour conference . You have to wait and see. Laura labour conference . You have to wait and see, laura. Hang labour conference . You have to wait and see, laura. Hang on, labour conference . You have to wait and see, laura. Hang on, you and see, laura. Hang on, you mentioned it. But what i can tell you is next weeks labour conference when people look through the window into the labour party, they will see a labour party focused on the priorities of the country, that wants to give britain its future back and is not going to be tinkering around the edges in the way the Prime Minister was this morning. Because speaking as a motorist, i thought, morning. Because speaking as a motorist, ithought, the morning. Because speaking as a motorist, i thought, the Biggest Issue facing me at the moment is not the fact my local council wont let me speed past a Primary School during the school run, it is if i go to the petrol pumps, i am paying at least £1 50 a litre. And that is to the petrol pumps, i am paying at least£150 a litre. And that is on a good day. So i would just say to the Prime Minister, with the time you have left in office, why dont you have left in office, why dont you genuinely make the right long term decisions for the country, instead of throwing in chaos and uncertainty with the way he has a natures too . It uncertainty with the way he has a natures too . Natures too . It has been good to talk to about natures too . It has been good to talk to about labours natures too . It has been good to talk to about labours decisions l talk to about labours decisions this morning with the way he has with hsz. In this wonderful part of the country, thank you for being here. I know you have said you were probably back keir starmer, you have also said labour has to come forward with bigger and bolder plans, what did you think of what he had to say . First, i was sitting here this morning thinking, thank god we have Laura Kuenssberg doing this programme because it leaves you as people straight questions. What you are looking for is straight answers. To be blunt, until we get straight answers from both the opposition and the Prime Minister, it is very hard for us to know who to vote for. Of course i want the change of government, this lot are done, they are spent. There isnt anything that makes me think we should vote for them again and i have hope that keir starmer stands for something and will answer straight questions and is honest and has integrity. Do you think labour is honest and has integrity. Do you think labour will is honest and has integrity. Do you think labour will feel is honest and has integrity. Do you think labour will feel more is honest and has integrity. Do you. Think labour will feel more pressure because rishi sunak is coming out more punchy . More punchy . Yes, i will, but i dont think more punchy . Yes, i will, but i dont think it more punchy . Yes, i will, but i dont think it will more punchy . Yes, i will, but i dont think it will respond more punchy . Yes, i will, but i dont think it will respond to i more punchy . Yes, i will, but i dont think it will respond to it. They dont think it will respond to it. They have dont think it will respond to it. They have played the defensive game, still with they have played the defensive game, still with questions like you are asking still with questions like you are asking and look at where they are ahead asking and look at where they are ahead in asking and look at where they are ahead in the polls. To stay that way between ahead in the polls. To stay that way between now and the election would between now and the election would be a landslide majority and thats why the be a landslide majority and thats why the language is cautious. Remember, politics can change like the wind, but it will be such a fascinating period and may be weird as well. Politics can get pretty weird, but there was no story stranger than this in the last week. There was horror when a tree was chopped down, but notjust any tree, the sycamore in Northumberland National park made famous by photography and by the film robin hood prince of thieves. Two people have been arrested. But for one of its stars, Brian Blessed who plays robin hoods father, lord locksley losing the tree was a personal blow. Well, i mean, like everybody else, sheer horror. I was president of the National Parks for seven years. That trees about 2,000 years old. I was always going there on my bike and then carrying my bike over the moors, and it was a wonderful sycamore tree. Sycamores are wonderful, with their big greens. And to hear that someones cut it down, its beyond comprehension. And people have gone there and it had broughtjoy to them. You know, theyve left their ashes there when theyve died, they got married there, all kinds of lovely events have taken place. The tree is deeply honoured. Im absolutely heartbroken about the whole damn thing. And of course, added to all that, you might say, its lord locksley� s estate. Because i was lord locksley, robin hoods father, kevin costner� s father how the hell i was his father, a kind of yorkshireman he laughs what would make it better . Should another tree be planted alongside . Id plant another sycamore, because theyre very big trees, and then let the present tree grow its stumps. It will start shooting up. Its not dead, it will survive. And it will be very bushy, you know . And then give it company and plant another tree a good 200 yards away, or 300 yards away, to keep it company. It will talk to it. It will help it. The campaign for the campaignfora the campaign for a second tree started today by Brian Blessed. Jon, i will put you through your paces and ask you to give us impressions and ask you to give us impressions and ask you to give us impressions and a second. But that is a pretty weird story, what did you think when you saw that news . 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The real keir starmer will now it is time for songs of praise. The real keir starmer will be now it is time for songs of praise. The real keir starmer will be with| the real keir starmer will be with us on the show next week, but we have had a teaser of whatjon thinks he might sound like when he is in the chair. Jon, thank you for giving us light relief after some pretty heavy conversations this morning. It has been wonderful to have the three of you with us this morning. Now, if you have stopped marvelling atjon� s impressions, let me remind you of our main question this morning. With the government ditching some of its old positions, are we seeing a different rishi sunak, whos trying to grab back support . We had a good long chance to ask the man himself what he really stands for. Im going to do things differently, im going to do what i believe is right. I get that people will be critical of that, im ok with that. Im going to be guided by what i believe is right, i believe that what im doing is right for the british people. After many months lagging in the polls, the Prime Minister does want you to think hes a different leader, pitching himself as the man who wants to shake up the status quo and has the smarts to do it. But with a fractious party, a grumpy public, and after 13 years in charge, it might take the might of a political superhero to pull it off. But after this conference season, mr sunak perhaps can no longer be accused of having nothing to say. Next week, the show will be in liverpool with his arch rival, keir starmer. Notjon culshaw. Join me and paddy on bbc sounds a bit later with weekend newscast, catch up on iplayer, or well be back on bbc one next sunday same time, same place. Different place, in liverpool. Goodbye. Live from london, this is bbc news. Two people have attempted a bomb attack in front of Turkeys Parliament in ankara. The turkish government says one blew himself up while the other was killed by police. In an interview with the bbc, rishi sunak has denied that his failure to announce a decision on the future of the hs2 rail project is making the uk a laughing stock. Are not going to comment on all the speculation. We have a project, we have speeds in the ground, and we are getting on with it. The United States has narrowly avoided a Government Shutdown after Congress Approved a short term funding bill. A leftist pro moscow party led by former Prime Minister robert fico wins the most votes in slovakias general election. Hello, welcome to the programme, i am lewis vaughanjones. We are going to get more on the breaking story out of ankara, turkey, in just a moment, but we are going to the us first of all. With minutes to spare, a deal was done to avoid a Government Shutdown. Take