Now the news with al tansley. The Prime Minister has confirmed hundreds of new licences will be granted to drill for oil and gas in the north sea. Rishi sunak, whos in aberdeenshire to announce funding for two new Carbon Capture projects, said it was vital to bolster Energy Security. A former miner from northumberland who killed his seriously ill wife is expected to be released from prison by august. David hunter was found guilty of manslaughter last week hes been sentenced to two years by a court in cyprus but theyve taken into account the time hes already been in custody. The president of the Royal College of emergency medicine has said nhs plans for the coming winter in england are inadequate and could mean thousands of people dying needlessly. The nhs says it will build on recent improvements in ambulance and a e services. And police have begun a Murder Investigation after a man in his 30s was shot dead in north london last night. The victim was found on White Hart Lane in tottenham and died at the scene. No one� s been arrested. New oilfields, licences new oil fields, licences to drill. What do you reckon, is this insanity or absolutely vital . As a transition to a net zero and also for our Energy Security. The Prime Minister has been talking about Carbon Capture this morning. A technology some people say is still in its relative infancy but educationally, he believes and others believe this is the way ahead. He describes it as great and exciting news, he says it will help the transition to net zero, he also, and this is something, he talked about the impact of the war by Vladimir Putin andi impact of the war by Vladimir Putin and i think Carbon Capture is a very interesting thing to develop as he sought to develop and explore a small in this particular hour so your thoughts on that. He has been on Good Morning Scotland speaking to Modern Geissler who asked him about the new licences and how they will help us achieve net zero. Help us achieve net zero. Because even when help us achieve net zero. Because even when we help us achieve net zero. Because even when we reach help us achieve net zero. Because even when we reach net help us achieve net zero. Because even when we reach net zero help us achieve net zero. Because even when we reach net zero in i help us achieve net zero. Because i even when we reach net zero in 2050 a quarter of our energy still come from oil and gas in domestic Gas Production has about a quarter or a third of the Carbon Footprint of imported gas so not only is it better for the Energy Security not to rely on foreign dictators for that energy, not only is it good for jobs especially scottish jobs, its better for the environment because there is no point in putting stop halfway around the world with two to three times the Carbon Footprint of the stuff we have at home. How are ou the stuff we have at home. How are you getting the stuff we have at home. How are you getting appear the stuff we have at home. How are you getting appear to the stuff we have at home. How are you getting appear to make the stuff we have at home. How are you getting appear to make the you getting appear to make the screen you getting appear to make the Screen Announcement today . Private et . Iwill Screen Announcement today . Private jet . 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It is not about banning flying, it is about investing in new Technology LikeSustainable Aviation fuel the avril mccloy sustainable, thats the right approach but i look forward to having a conversation with you again. Abs. Having a conversation with you aaain. �. , again. A little conversation we will have before again. A little conversation we will have before and again. A little conversation we will have before and again again. A little conversation we will have before and again knocked again. A little conversation we will| have before and again knocked out again. A little conversation we will. Have before and again knocked out in the next hour. Tessa khan, he said this is environmentally calamitous. Good morning. And craig mackinlay, conservative mp for south thanet. I want to hear the two if youre talking about this. It is vexing for a lot of people. Tessa khan, why is it calamitous, do you think . By, it calamitous, do you think . Couple of reasons. The first is we have heard Time And Again from trusted independent experts like the International Energy agency which has been set up to secure Fossil Fuel Supplies in the 70s from the Un Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, thousands of scientists who write Peer ReviewedResearch Reports and most recently from the uk s own independent Climate Change advisors, the Climate Change committee that we simply cannot have any new fossil fuel developments, that includes new and gas fields if we are going to stay within safe climate limits and those limits have been internationally agreed, more than the temperature we are out right now which i am sure people listening would agree have already led to disastrous consequences like the wildfires, so far as we have seen across North America and europe in recent months. The science is very clear. We have already got enough oil and gas in reserve to take us past the set limits. The second thing i would say is it is completely disingenuous of the Prime Minister to say it is better for the environment to use domestically produced oil and gas. The first as it does not belong to us. The north sea oil and gas he is helping to encourage is overwhelmingly exported so 80 of the oil and poster left in the north sea as oil goes to International Markets and so there so its not helping us with Energy Security and helping to displace imports. The other thing to keep in mind as uk production is much dirtier than the country will get most of our gas imports from patches norway. Watch has banned a lot of practices we still allow which i didnt think the north sea so it is misleading for the government to rely on this idea that our oil and Gas Production is somehow cleaner than imports. Gas production is somehow cleaner than importa than imports. Craig mackinlay, do ou want than imports. Craig mackinlay, do you want to than imports. Craig mackinlay, do you want to come than imports. Craig mackinlay, do you want to come back than imports. Craig mackinlay, do you want to come back on than imports. Craig mackinlay, do you want to come back on that . L than imports. Craig mackinlay, do| you want to come back on that . If than imports. Craig mackinlay, do you want to come back on that . If we are worried you want to come back on that . If we are worried about you want to come back on that . If we are worried about Carbon Dioxide domestic are worried about Carbon Dioxide domestic supply has to be the lowest carbon domestic supply has to be the lowest Carbon Dioxide means by which we get as. Carbon dioxide means by which we get gas tessa Carbon Dioxide means by which we get gas. Tessa has described the Climate Change gas. Tessa has described the Climate Change committee, they have a lot of output change committee, they have a lot of output and change committee, they have a lot of output and all of the reports say we wont output and all of the reports say we wont need output and all of the reports say we wont need oil and gas up to 2050 and beyond. What is the point importing that from as far away as australia importing that from as far away as australia which we did last august . We regularly have supply from qatar, the us, we regularly have supply from qatar, the us, trinidad and tobago, supercooled, shipped on the diesel powered supercooled, shipped on the diesel powered ship and recast when it arrives powered ship and recast when it arrives at powered ship and recast when it arrives at a powered ship and recast when it arrives at a port in the uk. That is arrives at a port in the uk. That is a daft arrives at a port in the uk. That is a daft amount of Carbon Dioxide being a daft amount of Carbon Dioxide being emitted for something that you need being emitted for something that you need she being emitted for something that you need. She also mentions norway. I dont need. She also mentions norway. I dont believe uk Environmental Standards or any lower than that of norway standards or any lower than that of norway. The uk has always prided itsetf norway. The uk has always prided itself on norway. The uk has always prided itself on practically everything it does itself on practically everything it does on itself on practically everything it does on being at the forefront of doing does on being at the forefront of doing things right environmentally unsafe doing things right environmentally unsafe. But norway, we spent £40 billion unsafe. But norway, we spent £40 billion with unsafe. But norway, we spent £40 billion with norway last year. They are extracting oil and gas out of the same are extracting oil and gas out of the same place in the north sea we are proposing to expand, its been there are proposing to expand, its been there for are proposing to expand, its been there for many years and we were trying there for many years and we were trying to there for many years and we were trying to expand licences to some top places trying to expand licences to some top places that have not been the first in top places that have not been the first in the top places that have not been the first in the queue, the low Hanging Fruit in first in the queue, the low Hanging Fruit in the first in the queue, the low Hanging Fruit in the past because we need energy fruit in the past because we need Energy Security. If we can replace that 40 Energy Security. If we can replace that 40 billion with that being domestically supplied, not only will that be domestically supplied, not only will that be a domestically supplied, not only will that be a Carbon Dioxide saving but it will that be a Carbon Dioxide saving but it will create jobs, investment, tax, it will create jobs, investment, tax. We it will create jobs, investment, tax, we need that and a big benefit to the tax, we need that and a big benefit to the balance of payments problem this country has always suffered from this country has always suffered from to this country has always suffered from. To say that none of this happens. From. 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We find ways of adapting to any problem and i would say adaptation, if it is will be a lot more say adaptation, if it is will be a lot more effective and sensible band mitigation lot more effective and sensible Band Mitigation Measures which will be in my view mitigation measures which will be in my view or mitigation measures which will be in my view or a mitigation measures which will be in my view or a rather green washing nature my view or a rather green washing nature i my view or a rather green washing nature. I would love to hear a few of tessa nature. I would love to hear a few of tessa on nature. I would love to hear a few of tessa on this. I am really would. What of tessa on this. I am really would. What do of tessa on this. I am really would. What do you of tessa on this. I am really would. What do you think of the drought . Can i have the opportunity to come back on the question of what is more affordable for the uk . The Office For Budget Responsibility published a report a couple of weeks ago that made clear our ongoing dependence on gas in particular risks ending up adding tens of billions of pounds of debt to the uk Government Budget Sheet because of the volatility of global oil and gas markets which is why the government had to spend £10 million subsidising Household Energy bills. Exactly why, speaking blackouts, 7 Million People were in fuel poverty over the winter last year. Its our reliance on oil and gas that is locking us into a completely insecure and Unaffordable Energy supply. What craig is avoiding talking about is the fact aside from the fact the Office For Budget Responsibility said it is twice as cheap to transition away from oil and gas in the uk than to continue to stay reliant on those volatile international goals, but so many people have not been able to afford to switch on. We saw a Record Number of disconnections from energy across hassles in the uk because of how high they are and what craig is not talking about is the fact we have this amazing Economic Opportunity in the uk to tap into some of the best Renewable Resources in Western Europe which are our amazing offshore wind resources. Those are significantly cheaper than gas as a source of electricity and the government has actually failed to keep up with all of our neighbours across europe in terms of supporting the switch away from gas towards electricity in peoples homes. Is there a reason the uk is currently. Loss of sound. Actually moving to cheaper sources of energy . Is there a reason the uk government fewer. Tessa, let him answer. ~. , government fewer. Tessa, let him answer. ,. , zm answer. We are doing that 9096 slower than we were answer. We are doing that 9096 slower than we were a answer. We are doing that 9096 slower than we were a decade answer. 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What are you going to do when thing to you. What are you going to do when the wind does not block in the sun do when the wind does not block in the sun does not shine . You need to have a the sun does not shine . You need to have a means the sun does not shine . You need to have a means of storage so even though have a means of storage so even though the have a means of storage so even though the electricity that might come though the electricity that might come from a wind turbine operating at perfect come from a wind turbine operating at perfect speed may give you a reliable at perfect speed may give you a reliable source of electricity, what happens reliable source of electricity, what happens when the wind does not blow . We are happens when the wind does not blow . We are not happens when the wind does not blow . We are not factoring in storage yet because we are not factoring in storage yet because we have entered into mad contracts. Because we have entered into mad contracts, we have paid wind form when contracts, we have paid wind form when the contracts, we have paid wind form when the wind blows and then it is someone when the wind blows and then it is someone elses problem and it does not, someone elses problem and it does not. Not someone elses problem and it does not, not factoring in batteries, i do not not, not factoring in batteries, i do not know if batteries are your preferred do not know if batteries are your preferred rates or producing hydrogen, some benefits are mad rather hydrogen, some benefits are mad rather than being involved in the chinese rather than being involved in the chinese supply chain for batteries. I chinese supply chain for batteries. I want chinese supply chain for batteries. I want tom chinese supply chain for batteries. I want Tom I Chinese supply chain for batteries. I want to. I get that. I want to before we speak to tracey and jeremy, let me establish the opposition here, craig. Anthropogenic Climate Change, i think you said that but you acknowledge that. You think you said that but you acknowledge that. Think you said that but you acknowledue that. ,. ,. Acknowledge that. You cannot aim at 40 billion tonnes acknowledge that. You cannot aim at 40 billion tonnes of acknowledge that. You cannot aim at 40 billion tonnes of carbon acknowledge that. You cannot aim at 40 billion tonnes of Carbon Dioxide. 40 billion tonnes of Carbon Dioxide into the 40 billion tonnes of Carbon Dioxide into the atmosphere and nothing happens into the atmosphere and nothing ha ens. ,. ~. , happens. You acknowledge we must reach 00 . L happens. You acknowledge we must reach 00 . I remain happens. You acknowledge we must reach 00 . I remain a happens. You acknowledge we must reach 00 . I remain a little reach 00 . I remain a little unconvinced reach 00 . 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The extreme catastrophic Weather Conditions over the world . Are they anything to do with Global Warming . I think you will find any records you look i think you will find any records you look at i think you will find any records you look at will show the world goes through you look at will show the world goes through Ups And Downs of temperatures but as i say, emitting 40 billion temperatures but as i say, emitting 40 billion tonnes of Carbon Dioxide per year 40 billion tonnes of Carbon Dioxide per year is 40 billion tonnes of Carbon Dioxide per year is best avoided but the best per year is best avoided but the best avoided but is how we get to that best avoided but is how we get to that. ,. ,. , that. The extreme Weather Conditions we are seeing. That. The extreme Weather Conditions we are seeing, the that. The extreme Weather Conditions we are seeing, the hottest that. The extreme Weather Conditions we are seeing, the hottest june that. The extreme Weather Conditions we are seeing, the hottest june on i we are seeing, the hottestjune on record, year on record, or they anything to do with anthropogenic Climate Change . I anything to do with anthropogenic Climate Change . Anything to do with anthropogenic Climate Change . I am sure it does not help at Climate Change . I am sure it does not help at all Climate Change . I am sure it does not help at all but Climate Change . I am sure it does not help at all but we Climate Change . I am sure it does not help at all but we are not help at all but we are ignoring. Theres lots of other things ignoring. Theres lots of other things we ignoring. Theres lots of other things. We tend to assume the ice day ipcc things. We tend to assume the Ice Day Ipcc Report and the cc seat report, day ipcc report and the cc seat report, the report by 2050, if they are out, report, the report by 2050, if they are out, i report, the report by 2050, if they are out, i would say that as an active are out, i would say that as an active marker because of their models active marker because of their models are so perfect i wish they would models are so perfect i wish they would share that type of advanced modelling with the bank of england, the obr modelling with the bank of england, the obr which tessa reports on because the obr which tessa reports on because they cannot seem to get things because they cannot seem to get things right within a year with far variables things right within a year with far variables | things right within a year with far variables. , things right within a year with far variables. ,. , things right within a year with far variables. ,. ,. , things right within a year with far variables. ,. , ,. , variables. I want tessa to come back another, variables. I want tessa to come back another. Our variables. I want tessa to come back another, our audience variables. I want tessa to come back another, our audience would variables. I want tessa to come back another, our audience would want i another, our audience would want that and tracey and jeremy i will be with you shortly. Tessa, do you fear is an element of scepticism in some of these people when they express their support for these projects rather than as part of a transition to net zero7 rather than as part of a transition to net zero . Rather than as part of a transition to net zero . Absolutely. The views from crai to net zero . Absolutely. The views from craig are to net zero . Absolutely. The views from craig are completely to net zero . Absolutely. The views from craig are completely out to net zero . Absolutely. The views from craig are completely out of i from craig are completely out of step as i said with the views of thousands of scientists whose job it is to actually monitor these developments. And who have written Peer Reviewed research confirming their conclusions. That is absolutely clear. It is beyond doubt that we are currently in a zone in terms of the level of Carbon Dioxide in the atmosphere, the temperatures we are seeing, that we have not seen at all over the thousands of years over which Human Civilisation has really thrived. Yes, we may have seen this kind of variation in temperature 800,000 years ago when we had a vastly different climate but the point is the conditions that have allowed us to develop agriculture, develop coastal communities, in which civilisations have thrived have happened within this narrow band of temperatures and we are now at real risk of living that behind. That is really dangerous. Others would what we have heard Time And Again, as i said from experts within the uk and internationally. I think its really dangerous craig is trying to downplay that because we simply cannot afford any delay in addressing this crisis and actually if you ask people up and down the country, Opinion Polls show people support us doing more on Climate Change, people are worried about Climate Change. They support the net zero target. Climate change. They support the net zero tarret. , Climate Change. They support the net zero tarret. , , , Climate Change. They support the net zero tarret. , ,. , zero target. Craig is completely out of ste zero target. Craig is completely out of ste i zero target. Craig is completely out of step i think zero target. Craig is completely out of step i think with zero target. Craig is completely out of step i think with those zero target. Craig is completely out of step i think with those of zero target. Craig is completely out of step i think with those of you zero target. Craig is completely out of step i think with those of you is l of step i think with those of you is not to mention with the science. Thank you both. Tracey and jeremy join us. Tracy, everyone is welcome. Should wejust stop join us. Tracy, everyone is welcome. Should we Just Stop Oil7 yes join us. Tracy, everyone is welcome. Should we Just Stop Oil . Should we ust stop oil . Yes please. I want to should we Just Stop Oil . Yes please. I want to say should we Just Stop Oil . Yes please. I want to say about should we Just Stop Oil . Yes please. I want to say about the should we Just Stop Oil . Yes please. I want to say about the wind i want to say about the wind turbine, i have run at the bottom of my garden, it does not belong to me, it belongs to the former and a despairing everyday. Never stops. We watch it, to see which Wind Direction it is going on, if it is a foggy day it disappears in the folk but it is always going haifa foggy day it disappears in the folk but it is always going foggy day it disappears in the folk but it is always going how do you feel about the but it is always going how do you feel about the new but it is always going how do you feel about the new licences . But it is always going how do you feel about the new licences . I but it is always going how do you i feel about the new licences . I am. I am feel about the new licences . I am. I am looking feel about the new licences . I am. I am looking on feel about the new licences . I am. I am looking on at feel about the new licences . I am. I am looking on at a feel about the new licences . I am. I am looking on at a bit feel about the new licences . I am. I am looking on at a bit more i am looking on at a bit more simplistic, i do not want to have any work licences, i want to go the labour party but will hopefully go. Which are going to stop when the new licences run out, you know . But everyone keeps saying about we have got to look after the planet and all this and everything. We havent got to look after the planet but the planet will be fine. It will regenerate. It is the humans that will not be. We are not looking at it that way, are we . I happen watching the Chris Packham programme and he explains it so clearly, the earth has gone through so many cycles, almost being destroyed at several points. It is cycles, almost being destroyed at several points. Several points. It is kind of turbocharged several points. It is kind of turbocharged at several points. It is kind of turbocharged at the several points. It is kind of turbocharged at the moment. It is turbo charged at the moment. It is notjust turbo charged at the moment. 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The ecosystems that live alongside us. Let me go to jeremy i alongside us. Let me go tojeremy and i will come right back to you i will mix and mingle jeremy, on the practical issue, the political issue of these new licences, what do you think. ,. ,. , of these new licences, what do you think. ,. ,. , ~ think. Good morning. Could i make two comments . Think. Good morning. Could i make two comments . I think. Good morning. Could i make two comments . I bought think. Good morning. Could i make two comments . I bought the think. Good morning. Could i make| two comments . I bought the paper this morning in the first headline that is, this morning in the first headline that is, rishi sunak not rich net zero that is, rishi sunak not rich net zero despite a recent move and the other zero despite a recent move and the other headline my daughter died from police other headline my daughter died from police and other headline my daughter died from police and we must stop it. 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Hes really looking forward to getting out and this forward to getting out and this allows for him and this family to properly grieve so we would like to thank everyone who supported him across cyprus, the uk and from All Around The World because without your support, we would not be able to be here today. Thank you. I am willing to take some questions, i think david wants to say thank you. Thank you to all the people who have donated thank you to all the people who have donated to thank you to all the people who have donated to me, especially my mates and my donated to me, especially my mates and my workmates. I do not know for i and my workmates. I do not know for l will and my workmates. I do not know for i will be and my workmates. I do not know for i will be without them. Well, i hope i will be without them. 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In the past few moments, david hunter, the today . In the past few moments, david hunter, the 76yearold i david hunter, the 76 year old Retired Miner has walked free from prison. He is a free man. Free to visit his family back in the uk if he wants to. His daughter and his granddaughter. He is free to go back to the north of england, where his second family, his mining friends, so they are ready to welcome him with open arms but more importantly, he is free now to go to the village where he and his wife used to live, they spent some happy years, it is for she is buried and he hasnt, until now, been allowed to visit her grave. This is the pensioner who feared he was going to be spending his remaining days in prison. You know . Lastly, he came into court, know7 lastly, he came into court, you could see the past year or so of this trial, hes been in custody for 19 months, it had taken its physical and emotional toll and he came into Court Last Week fearing they were going to find him guilty of murder. Then he was found guilty of the lesser charge of manslaughter and so, faced with the prospect of spending the rest of your Life In Prison, then hearing today that you were going to be sentence for manslaughter which can carry a sentence of 25 years, to walk free from court is just unimaginable. Its something his family never dared imagine and it was something that actually his lawyers and everyone in court quite frankly were not expecting 30 or 40 minutes ago from thejudges not expecting 30 or 40 minutes ago from the judges passed that sentence. Because what they said they were sentencing him to two years in prison, taking into account the time he had spent in custody so everyone was frantically trying to figure out what that meant and officially we were told he will be freed by the end of august and then literally in the past 15 or 20 minutes we were told no, he can actually walk away from prison, from court right now and that is exactly what has happened. You saw some months ago, he has walked away with his lawyer. And as divisive as this case has been, you have to remember this, that david hunter starting his life scratch now. His daughter said to us, this is a man who was enjoying a wonderful retirement with his wife, they had a house, a couple of cars, money in the bank, that man you have seen leave this court some moments ago, now has a carrier bag and this is what he has to adjust to. Hes going to need support from his family, his friends, his Friends Backin his family, his friends, his friends back in the north east who say they are ready to support him. And one person to do to seeing this man has already served a Life Sentence. He is going to have to live with what happened in that house for the rest of his life. And he is going to have to come to terms with that. He told us before when we were in court that if he was freed, it would mean, he said his wife would be pleased, he said his wife would be pleased, he said he thinks his wife is with him every day. She will be relieved that this had happened to him but also it would give him time to grieve. He has not had a chance to do that. Neither has his family and in fact in the past few minutes i have received word from his daughter lesley, back in the uk and in a few simple but she said this is incredible. She says i am in tears and speechless. And elated. No doubt he will be speaking to his lawyer now. Taking a moment about what happens next in terms of procedure. Bureaucracy. Maybe other reports need to be prepared with the prison . But now, he is a man making plans and this is not something he ever thought he would be able to do because do not forget, this is a man who also attempted to take his own life. So david hunter, a free man today and let me just sum up what thejudges are said today and let me just sum up what the judges are said to him. The message to society cannot be that human life, even with the intention to ease suffering, to take that, it is acceptable, it is not, committed a crime. Nobody should choose when somebody� s life should end, not even a loved one. We have taken into account that it must send that message to society, without giving the defendant a sentence that does not take into account the particulars of this and personal circumstances. David hunter, former minerfound guilty of circumstances. David hunter, former miner found guilty of manslaughter for killing his seriously ill wife, has now walked free from prison. figs has now walked free from prison. As you say, such a divisive issue, so polarising and such profound ethical questions. Fiona, to remind us what you are saying at the end, just remind people, he told the court that his wife cried and begged for him to end her life, because of what she was going through, the pain she was suffering, the agony she was in with her blood cancer. The court was told it was her wish to die, and that her husband had only feelings of love for her. Tell us more about that. Its something that has been much debated, people have been. This is a conversation that has been going on for years and will go on for years. Crystallised in this particular case in cyprus. Thats ri. Ht. Particular case in cyprus. Thats right david particular case in cyprus. Thats right. David hunter particular case in cyprus. Thats right. David hunter was particular case in cyprus. Thats i right. David hunter was describing how his daughter also described how she was in so much pain that she was screaming. He had to make nappies for her. She was a shame to leave the house. There was some debate in court about whether or not her illness was actually terminal. At what was really important is that when they were discussing the verdict, thejudge said, the point is thatjanice and verdict, thejudge said, the point is that janice and david both believed themselves that it was terminal, which is why he carried out the act. He was telling the court that she begged me to do it. I didnt want to do it, it was her decision. I loved her so much, why would i want to kill the Love Of My Life . It was a crime of love and mercy. So there was no dispute in court, thejudges said, that he didnt love her, even the prosecution itself said that we dont dispute that. That this was an act of love. And so the difficulty that they had was whether or not this was premeditated or whether or not it was manslaughter. But the judges said for it to be a premeditated crime, Premeditated Murder, there would have to be proof that david hunter was cold, calculated enough to carry out that murder. And there was no proof of that. The prosecution was saying also that there was no evidence of an agreement between the two people, there was no pact, so how can you say that he was trying to help her . They also said this, when youre talking about assisted suicide, this is the other point. They are also saying, look, if you are trying to end your wifes life, prove to us that you are trying to assist her by giving her tablets, for example. That would show assisted suicide, rather than murder. There was no proof of that, they said. At the judges did not agree with the prosecution, that is why he received the charge of manslaughter and why he walked free from court and from prison today. He walked free from court and from prison today prison today. Fiona trott in cyprus. We are discussing prison today. Fiona trott in cyprus. We are discussing in prison today. Fiona trott in cyprus. We are discussing in our prison today. Fiona trott in cyprus. We are discussing in our first prison today. Fiona trott in cyprus. We are discussing in our first hour, i we are discussing in our first hour, which is where we are, and we will continue to do so, the new licences for oil fields continue to do so, the new licences for oilfields which continue to do so, the new licences for oil fields which rishi continue to do so, the new licences for oilfields which rishi sunak has been talking about this morning. We are getting your reactions. We are going to go back to that. The question is, should weJust Stop Oil7 good texts coming in and great calls. We are back on that after the news, which is coming right now. As we have been hearing, a man who killed his seriously ill wife has been released from custody in cyprus. David hunter, from northumberland, was found guilty of manslaughter and sentenced to two years, thejudges manslaughter and sentenced to two years, the judges took into account the time he spent behind bars. Hundreds of new north sea oil and gas licences will be granted by the government. It says rishi sunak is in scotland to announce millions in funding for two new Carbon Capture projects. Security officials in North West Pakistan say they believe Islamic State militants were responsible for yesterdays Suicide Bombing which killed at least 45 people as a political rally. No group has admitted responsibility for the attack. An old Postage Stamps without a bar code will no longer be valid for use after today, but they can be exchanged for new ones, free of charge. Now the sport. England batting coach Marcus Trescothick is hoping for another fairy tale ahead of stuart broads last day as an england cricketer. The final day of the mens ashes, australia need 259 runs to win a series on english soil for the First Time Since 2001. England need ten wickets to level the series. Another big day at the womens world cup. Australia play canada later this morning on bbc two, knowing anything other than a win could see them knocked out of the tournament. Right now, japan are currently 3 0 up against spain and on course to win group c. Manchester united will decide to mason greenwoods future before their opening game of the season against wolves next month. At the netball world cup, scotland are losing at the moment to australia, 6833. Losing at the moment to australia, 68 33. Wales play defending champions new zealand from ten, and in rugby league, Warrington Wolves head coach Darren Powell has left the club by mutual consent. A busy morning. Rishi sunak is in the north east of scotland, more on that to come. Let me tell you, if i may, what is happening after ten oclock this morning. It is something which matters to so many people listening, so many people watching. This is the programme where you get to have your say about the big stories of the day and this is certainly one of those. What is going on with care . A bbc investigation has found a shortage of care workers is leading to long delays for people needing support. I already get the sense that ears are pricking up. It means people are left in hospital, it means people are left at home with no help whatsoever. People like 96 year old lily, who spent 11 months in hospital, when she was well enough to go home because there was not a carer to help her. Nearly a quarter of the councils who responded to the bbc said that average delays are over a month, with some people waiting years. The government says waiting years. The government says Waiting Lists are down, but there is more to do. They have been saying that for a long time. They have certainly been saying there is more to do, and boy is there. Government after government says we have to do something about this, and ultimately they kick it down the road. If you are a carer, if your relative uses carers, tell us what is happening. Lets have the conversation at ten oclock. So, the texts, should we stop oil7 rishi sunak� s scientifically rishi suna k� s scientifically ignorant rishi sunak� s scientifically ignorant decision is threatening life on earth, the uk has no authority to convince others to make changes, vote tory, vote extinction, says roseanne. Not holding back, they are. We cant stop oil, we will need it for generations to come. We need it for generations to come. We need british oil, not russian oil, Thatis Need British oil, not russian oil, that is from ron in tyneside. I work in oil and gas in scotland, this is our livelihood, for many. It is required on all of our lives for a long time yet. The uk is one of the least polluting countries, compared to china, russia, saudi, usa, india. It is ridiculous that we import oil and gas. Worldwide, something needs to be done, but it will be many years before we dont need any oil or gas. But some people are saying it is notjust for domestic it is not just for domestic consumption, it is notjust for domestic consumption, from the new oilfields, they are on the market and we will be exporting it, we will be flogging it. Ill give you one more. Rishi sunak hasjust seen it. Ill give you one more. Rishi sunak has just seen his party cling onto a constituency in an anti ulez road, hes clinging on two votes nationally by dumping any green credentials they had, most of their voters will be dead by the time that the plan falls apart, but they might get back in. Political cynicism from tim in london. Thank you for the text tos, it is where you have your say on the big stories. Alan in newton stewart, and professor Stuart Hazell dean, professor of Carbon Capture. Jill, what you think . Goad capture. Jill, what you think . Good mornin capture. Jill, what you think . Good morning to capture. Jill, what you think . Good morning to you capture. Jill, what you think . Good morning to you. It capture. Jill, what you think . Good morning to you. It isnt capture. Jill, what you think . Good morning to you. It isnt that capture. Jill, what you think . Good morning to you. It isnt that im i morning to you. It isnt that im against these people that want to clean the earth or clean up the country and Everything Else, we would all like to live in a country that was who wouldnt . But my problem is, as with everything that happens in this country, they attack the little man in the street, the person with the car who can just about afford to put food on the table, because things are tight and Everything Else. And we have no replacement for a lot of things that function on oil. Tojust replacement for a lot of things that function on oil. To just stop replacement for a lot of things that function on oil. Tojust stop it, what do we do to replace these items . These companies, these things items7 these companies, these things that are so necessary7 what do we do. As always, like i say, it is always the chap on the ground that suffers the most, not the people who have these companies, not these people who run these companies, nothing. It is the small man that relies on it for his living, his food on the table, like i say, putting clothes on the kids, putting a roof over peoples heads. 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Yes, it is important, the future destruction, the mass. Yes, it is important, the future of destruction, the mass. Yes, it is important, the future of the destruction, the mass. Yes, it is. Important, the future of the planet. As a country, we are a dot at the ocean. You know, when you have china digging more coal mines and germany building more furnaces, the oil that floats up from this country, that may be greener, yes, it floats up and it is greener. And it is greener. Should we be settin and it is greener. Should we be setting an and it is greener. Should we be setting an example . And it is greener. Should we be setting an example . Shouldnt| and it is greener. Should we be i setting an example . Shouldnt we and it is greener. Should we be setting an example . Shouldnt we be leading the world . Was one of the great things about brexit that we were to be global leaders, along a shining path of independence and World Leadership7 i shining path of independence and World Leadership . World leadership . I think a lot of eole World Leadership . I think a lot of people admire World Leadership . I think a lot of people admire this World Leadership . I think a lot of people admire this country World Leadership . I think a lot of people admire this country and i World Leadership . I think a lot of people admire this country and a World Leadership . I think a lot of. People admire this country and a lot of people would like to live in this country. I would love to live in this country if it was trouble free. I hear what youre saying, you think it is too much, too expensive for the ordinary people. Alan, in newton stewart, do you agree . Kind the ordinary people. Alan, in newton stewart, do you agree . Stewart, do you agree . Kind of treat, stewart, do you agree . Kind of great. But stewart, do you agree . Kind of great. But the stewart, do you agree . Kind of great, but the problem stewart, do you agree . Kind of great, but the problem is stewart, do you agree . Kind of great, but the problem is not i stewart, do you agree . Kind of l great, but the problem is not the oil, great, but the problem is not the oil. Its great, but the problem is not the oil. Its the great, but the problem is not the oil, its the consumption. And consumption is kind of linked to oil, consumption is kind of linked to oil. Of consumption is kind of linked to oil, of course. We all need to look atiust oil, of course. We all need to look atjust pegging back a little bit, Pe Atjust Pegging back a little bit, peg back atjust pegging back a little bit, peg back on what we are doing, what we are peg back on what we are doing, what we are spending on, driving big motors we are spending on, driving big motors. We really need to think about motors. We really need to think about what we are doing individually. So that we can try and cut back individually. So that we can try and cut back lm individually. So that we can try and cut back. Im a farmer. I am an organic cut back. Im a farmer. I am an organic farmer. Im trying to do my bit, organic farmer. Im trying to do my bit. Cut organic farmer. Im trying to do my bit. Cut back organic farmer. Im trying to do my bit, cut back and not. You know, et bit, cut back and not. You know, get zero bit, cut back and not. You know, get zero as bit, cut back and not. You know, get zero as soon i can. Im trying to do get zero as soon i can. Im trying to do my get zero as soon i can. Im trying to do my bit get zero as soon i can. Im trying to do my bit. If everybody tried to do their to do my bit. If everybody tried to do their bit. To do my bit. If everybody tried to do their bit, we would kind of get their do their bit, we would kind of get their eventually. I know theres going their eventually. I know theres going to their eventually. I know theres going to be some Big Decisions from government, but we cantJust Stop Oil, government, but we cantJust Stop Oil. It government, but we cantJust Stop Oil. It drives government, but we cantJust Stop Oil, it drives the economy. We didnt oil, it drives the economy. We didnt see oil, it drives the economy. We didnt see anybody sticking their hands didnt see anybody sticking their hands to didnt see anybody sticking their hands to the road at the appleby fair. Hands to the road at the appleby fair~ i hands to the road at the appleby fair. I thought they would have been there. Fair. I thought they would have been there, trying to disrupt that one. Where there, trying to disrupt that one. Where were they when it came to disrupting where were they when it came to disrupting that. What more do whatever disrupting that. What more do whatever you think about the appleby fair, lm whatever you think about the appleby fair, lm not whatever you think about the appleby fair, im not sure about the threat to the fair, im not sure about the threat to the planet. It� s fair, im not sure about the threat to the planet to the planet. Its an interesting conversation to the planet. Its an interesting conversation to to the planet. Its an interesting conversation to have, to the planet. Its an interesting conversation to have, but to the planet. Its an interesting | conversation to have, but maybe to the planet. Its an interesting conversation to have, but maybe not this one . Professor Stuart Hazell dean, talking about Carbon Capture, i want you to address those who always, when we are having this conversation, say it is futile in a given what india, china, brazil is doing, what the usa is doing. Something of a counsel of despair, perhaps, but maybe it is realistic . Right, so, i can see where everybody is coming from, and i can relate to that. Often it seems like the world is a big place, and global heating is a big place, and global heating is a big problem. Its not something that individual people can do very easily. What we have to realise is that individuals and individual countries can make a huge difference. The uk invented a lot of the Industrial Revolution and we can invent the carbon revolution, we are doing that. We started off in 1990, admitting omitting about double the Carbon Dioxide we are emitting per person, we have come halfway without crushing the economy or breaking the country. This is where it gets more difficult, where announcements like today, announcing large Carbon Capture and storage projects are really important, we are the first in the world to do this at a large scale across multiple industries, the omission of entirely decarbonising the uk economy. If we can show how that can be done, show that it really can be done, that gives confidence china and the united states, and brazil, that there is a path to follow. Another country has developed a pathway and it is feasible. And that is what we are doing. That may cost more for some things, but of course this needs to be part of a package, i said Carbon Capture and storage might be one of the many parts of the answer, other parts of the answer are becoming much more efficient in the way we use energy, insulating houses, for example, that could halve it. Its insulating houses, for example, that could halve it. Could halve it. Its worth pointing out that china could halve it. Its worth pointing out that china are could halve it. Its worth pointing out that china are investing could halve it. Its worth pointing i out that china are investing hugely in renewables, they are on course to hit their wind and solar power targets five years ahead of time. There is also the whole business, i just want you to address this and then tell us about Carbon Capture, then tell us about Carbon Capture, the whole issue about, oh, the fossil fuel giants, the whole issue about, oh, the fossilfuel giants, they the whole issue about, oh, the fossil fuel giants, they are fuelling the addiction to fossil fuel. Surely it is in their interests to move away and move on and transition, because of what is called stranded assets. Its going to become. All of these assets are going to become so much less valuable in years to come. If you like, that is the financial case to stop it now, to curtail it, to tail it off, because the infrastructure that reduces fossil fuels will become massively overvalued in years to come. It become massively overvalued in years to come. ,. ,. ,. , to come. It is an argument that it alread is to come. It is an argument that it already is overvalued to come. It is an argument that it already is overvalued in to come. It is an argument that it already is overvalued in some already is overvalued in some places. And that is one of the interesting things about today, if you have a very detached view, the announcement on Carbon Capture and storage projects, it is coupled with come on the same day, the Prime Minister announcing up to 100 new expiration will production lysis, to discover and produce more oil and gas. So i think what is going on there is actually the uk government seeing a bit of a window opportunity, with the concern from the public about rising prices for fuels, with the conflict in russia and ukraine, driving the price rise, there is a window of opportunity to say, ok, lets produce more of our own domestic oil and gas. But i think thats actually a false argument, because that oil or gas, as many people point out, not a lot of that is exported, even the oil or gas we use here in this country is priced at International Market rates. So producing our own oil or gas for another five rates. So producing our own oil or gas for anotherfive or rates. So producing our own oil or gas for another five or ten years is not going to change the price which ordinary citizens pay for their gas, ordinary citizens pay for their gas, orfor ordinary citizens pay for their gas, or for the petrol in the car. That is on international pricing. What we can be doing is trying to become more resilient and self generate our electricity and our energy through wind power, through solar power, through tidal power, and the carbon which we do continue to use, the Carbon Emissions we make from making cement, from making steel, from making paper or glass, making petrochemicals, which are fantastically useful, all of those things emit Carbon Dioxide and Carbon Capture and storage is a way of countering that. I Carbon Capture and storage is a way of countering that. Of countering that. I want to ex lore of countering that. I want to explore that of countering that. I want to explore that with of countering that. I want to explore that with you of countering that. I want to i explore that with you further, because people are really interested enough. The political angles are interesting. Keir starmer saying no new licences, but these are granted, that would probably mean they would go ahead. There will not be new licences, i would have thought, go ahead. There will not be new licences, iwould have thought, by the time of the next election. I think government have to be a lot tougher on this. Government is failing to govern from both sides, from the tory party and the labour party, because we are in a climate crisis, and we need to show how to get out of that climate crisis. So we need to be moving out of oil and gas as fast as we can build the replacements. Clearly, we cantJust Stop Oil. I think the sentiment is good, but the reality of that is difficult because if we Just Stopped Oil and gas tomorrow, we would all be pretty chilly this winter. I just be pretty chilly this winter. I ust want to get � be pretty chilly this winter. I ust want to get david in i be pretty chilly this winter. I ust want to get david in cardiffh be pretty chilly this winter. Ijust want to get david in cardiff on, he works for oil companies. Picking up on what stuart says, david, do we need oil and gas in the interim, during our transition7 there is a massive delay on the line there, i think, as we are speaking to david. What we will do is go back to stuart. Tell us about Carbon Capture. Stuart. Tell us about carbon cature. , stuart. Tell us about carbon cature. ,. , capture. Carbon capture is a way of burnin capture. Carbon capture is a way of burning coal capture. Carbon capture is a way of burning coal or capture. Carbon capture is a way of burning coal or gas, capture. Carbon capture is a way of burning coal or gas, or capture. Carbon capture is a way of burning coal or gas, or oil, capture. Carbon capture is a way of burning coal or gas, or oil, the burning coal or gas, or oil, the carbon which goes into the atmosphere at the moment is dumped into the airas atmosphere at the moment is dumped into the air as Carbon Dioxide. And Carbon Dioxide is a molecule, a chemical molecule, that vibrates and traps the heat, it forms the greenhouse effect blanketing the earth, that is what is driving global heating just now, which we are seeing more and more effects of extreme heat, more and more effects of extreme rainfall, and we will be seeing the effects of Sea Level Rise around the world, from melting ice on land. These are very large scale changes which are very difficult to reverse. Many of the climate models say we are approaching a tipping point, the edge of stability. Some things may not work as we want them to in future. What Carbon Capture and storage does says, ok, if you want to use fossil fuels, even capture the carbon and have the Carbon Dioxide, liquefied by pressurising it, and put that liquid Carbon Dioxide through a pipeline, may be 50 or 100, or 200 kilometres, and then inject the Carbon Dioxide into the tiny crawl space of the rocks where it came from, deep underground, beneath the north sea. So its a way of trying to mitigate the transition, whilst we reduce our carbon use and fossil fuels, we can also eliminate the emissions, to a large extent. But, of course, these are going to be giant projects, multi billion pound projects, and the uk is leading now and having four of the projects. We need to go faster, we need to not let up on that, we need to have double the amount of these projects by 2030. It amount of these projects by 2030. It is a tiny scale, its being done on a tiny scale. Will it ever be enough . A tiny scale. Will it ever be enough . A tiny scale. Will it ever be enou~h . ,. ,. , enough . The uk on its own is not auoin to enough . The uk on its own is not going to solve enough . The uk on its own is not going to solve the enough . The uk on its own is not going to solve the world. Enough . The uk on its own is not going to solve the world. But enough . The uk on its own is not going to solve the world. But if i enough . The uk on its own is not. Going to solve the world. But if the uk can show how to design these projects, how to make them acceptable to the people who live in the country, how to make those feasible and ensure that the regulation is tight enough to ensure that they actually do work, then that they actually do work, then thatis that they actually do work, then that is a real contribution which other countries can copy. What we really want is for other people to copy what we are trying to do here. And we need to hold the companies to account, and make sure they go through with this, the Carbon Capture remains a vital part of the deal. Im going to come to david in cardiff injusta deal. Im going to come to david in cardiff in just a second. Deal. Im going to come to david in cardiff injust a second. I deal. Im going to come to david in cardiff in just a second. I will cardiff in ust a second. I will come cardiff in just a second. I will come back cardiff in just a second. I will come back on cardiff in just a second. I will come back on after cardiff in just a second. I will come back on after david. I cardiff in just a second. I will. Come back on after david. Yes, lease. Come back on after david. Yes, please. David, come back on after david. Yes, please. David, hi. Come back on after david. Yes, please. David, hi. I come back on after david. Yes, please. David, hi. Ithink come back on after david. Yes, please. David, hi. Ithink we. Come back on after david. Yes, please. David, hi. Ithink we have got you sorted out. You have worked for oil companies. What is the answer right here, right now, realistically7 answer right here, right now, realistically . Answer right here, right now, realistically . Realistically, the money we realistically . Realistically, the money we are realistically . Realistically, the money we are spending realistically . Realistically, the money we are spending on realistically . Realistically, the money we are spending on Carbon Capture. Money we are spending on Carbon Capture, the russians could cut that as capture, the russians could cut that gas line capture, the russians could cut that gas line and your Carbon Capture has gone gas line and your Carbon Capture has gone for gas line and your Carbon Capture has gone for a gas line and your Carbon Capture has gone for a burton. What we should be doing gone for a burton. What we should be doing is gone for a burton. What we should be doing is concentrating on local energy doing is concentrating on local Energy Generation and Energy StorageEnergy Generation and Energy Storage, right . Ratherthan these massive storage, right . Ratherthan these massive projects that soak up so much massive projects that soak up so much of massive projects that soak up so much of our money. The russians, they are much of our money. The russians, they are the much of our money. The russians, they are the current favourites, arent they are the current favourites, arent they . But the russians can cut the arent they . But the russians can cut the continental electricity connectors, they can cut the gas lines. Connectors, they can cut the gas lines. The connectors, they can cut the gas lines, the subsea gas lines, the subsea lines, the subsea gas lines, the subsea oil lines, the subsea gas lines, the subsea oil lines. They dont even need subsea oil lines. They dont even need to subsea oil lines. They dont even need to destroy the rigs, because most need to destroy the rigs, because most of need to destroy the rigs, because most of them supplied through the pipelines most of them supplied through the pipelines. All they have to do is cut the pipelines. All they have to do is cut the pipelines, the interconnector is, and we are not self sufficient. But if insulated all the self sufficient. But if insulated all the homes and generate local wind all the homes and generate local wind and all the homes and generate local wind and local son electricity, and notjust wind and local son electricity, and notjust store it wind and local son electricity, and not just store it with batteries, electric not just store it with batteries, electric batteries. A lot of people dont electric batteries. A lot of people dont understand, years ago oxford were looking at pressurised sodium that would were looking at pressurised sodium that would be liquefied, to store the energy that you didnt use immediately, and then eventually that would be released. There is already that would be released. There is already Hydro Storage systems, and somewhere in slough, where they freeze somewhere in slough, where they freeze there, once the electricity is needed, freeze there, once the electricity is needed, the air is allowed to expand is needed, the air is allowed to expand again and drive a turbine and generate expand again and drive a turbine and generate electricity. All of these people generate electricity. All of these people are just fooling the whole world, people are just fooling the whole world, the whole world. And its important world, the whole world. And its important to remember that in the 40s and important to remember that in the 40s and 50s, exxonmobil and a lot of the other 40s and 50s, exxonmobil and a lot of the other gas companies, the oil and as the other gas companies, the oil and gas companies, they knew this, and what did gas companies, they knew this, and what did they do . They sacked the people what did they do . They sacked the people who they were employing who told them people who they were employing who told them that this was the case. Weve told them that this was the case. Weve got told them that this was the case. Weve got to get away. If we want self sufficiency and self sufficiency and self sufficiency is a good thing, weve self sufficiency is a good thing, weve got self sufficiency is a good thing, weve got to create companies that do that weve got to create companies that do that for weve got to create companies that do that for the people of this country. Do that for the people of this country, like that lady said, and you said. Country, like that lady said, and you said, the ordinaryjoe in the street you said, the ordinary joe in the street. , you said, the ordinary joe in the street. ,. , street. Under the companies had the selfawareness, street. Under the companies had the selfawareness, and street. Under the companies had the selfawareness, and also street. Under the companies had the selfawareness, and also the street. Under the companies had the selfawareness, and also the vision l self awareness, and also the vision to realise that these are all going to realise that these are all going to be stranded assets. They have to move on. They have to reformulate their business model. Their business model. Absolutely, i was involved their business model. Absolutely, i was involved in their business model. Absolutely, i was involved in the their business model. Absolutely, i was involved in the estimates their business model. Absolutely, i was involved in the estimates for l was involved in the estimates for putting was involved in the estimates for putting some of these rigs in the north putting some of these rigs in the north sea, and one part of the estimate north sea, and one part of the estimate was the money to basically rehabilitate the site. And my bet is that they rehabilitate the site. And my bet is that they never will rehabilitate these that they never will rehabilitate these sites. They willjust leave them these sites. They willjust leave them as these sites. They willjust leave them as they are. Right . And say, everybody them as they are. Right . And say, Everybody Knows where they are, we dont Everybody Knows where they are, we dont need Everybody Knows where they are, we dont need to do anything about it. You know. Dont need to do anything about it. You know, we are creating other disasters you know, we are creating other disasters. Another thing. We disasters. Another thing. We havent got disasters. Another thing. Havent got time for another thing, david. Youve given is a load of things to think about. We are coming to the end. Great hearing from you. Thanks for giving us years of experience in a really interesting call. Stuart, apologies we could not get back to you, professor stuart haszeldine. Should weJust Stop Oil7 interesting texts. Isa is a whole lot of new licences. The salad, do not do this lightly. A change of plan and i am sure you will understand why. We care deeply about carers and care homes in the care system and we speak about it a lot, its so important and significant and always very powerful and telling. And we will be returning to it very soon. But we have got to follow the audience, but its what we are all about, your reactions to the big stories of the day. Uniquely. Right here for the bbc. We have had a huge reaction on the news were brought to you earlier that david hunter has been freed from prison in cyprus after being convicted of the manslaughter of his wife, janice, convicted of her manslaughter. They had been married for 50 years. She had blood cancer. He argued she had begged him to end her life because of the pain she was in. Big reaction, let me give you one of the text that came in. Listening to the programme this morning struck a royal court. My sisters and i watched our mother die from cancer, she was so vibrant, determined, stoic woman in control of her life, her death was a cruel and horrific way to die, she was in and horrific way to die, she was in a huge amount of pain, she wanted it to end. It was heartbreaking to witness and we would not put a beloved family pet through this kind of suffering. And obviously it is a deeply divisive issue. Both sides, all sites must be hugely respected because there are profound ethical arguments about the value of life and the meaning of life. So we want to hearfrom and the meaning of life. So we want to hear from you and the meaning of life. So we want to hearfrom you on this. What do you make of it . David hunter, your reaction. Four is the telephone number and you reaction. Four is the telephone numberand you can reaction. Four is the telephone number and you can text us on 85085. That is coming up in the next hour. 08085 909693 is the that is coming up in the next hour. 08085 909693 is the telephone number. Now the news with al tansley. A british man who killed his seriously ill wife at their home in cyprus has walked free from prison. The 76 year old had been found guilty of manslaughter after suffocating 74 year old Janice Hunter in december 2021. Rishi sunak� s in aberdeenshire where hes announcing millions of pounds of funding for a Carbon Capture project that ministers hope will create thousands ofjobs. The governments also issuing hundreds of new oil and gas licences for the north sea which it says are in line with its net zero commitments. An investigation by the bbc has found that some Vulnerable People are having to wait years to access social care services. More than 20 of councils who responded to a request for information reported an average wait of over a month to be assessed. And the telecoms giant, bt, has appointed a female chief executive for the first time in its 177 year history. Allison kirkby will take over from the current boss, philipjansen, when he retires next year. However you look at it, deeply moving and upsetting story. David hunter. He has been charged with manslaughter, released from prison, he is a free man. Just to remind you, i mean, he had been, he was sentenced to two years for the manslaughter of his wife janice after she and i quote begged him to end her life at their home in paphos in cyprus in december 21. 76 years old, originally from ashington in northumberland, he has been released. He was cleared of her murder. And some interesting quotes you, michael polak, the director of justice about which represented david hunter said he would be released on the 18th Of August at the latest although he could be let out earlier for good behaviour but he is out and has been released. This is what he told the court. He said his wife janice and they were married for 57 years, she cried and begged him to end her life. She suffered from blood cancer. One of the points being made was there was no Firm Evidence this was. But his legal team argued he should be given a suspended sentence and this was a legal first for cyprus. A suspended sentence and this was a legalfirst for cyprus. In mitigation his defence lawyer said his motive was to using her words liberate his wife from all that she was going through because of her health conditions. And the court heard it was her wish to die and that her husband had only feelings of love for her. That concentrates the mind is in our next hour. It was her wish to die and he fulfilled her wishes because of the pain that she was in. Its such a moral minefield less, isnt it . He said he would neverin less, isnt it . He said he would never in a million years have suffocated his wife unless she had asked him to do so, unless it had been her wish. And he assured the court how he held his hands over his white s mouth and nose and he decided to grant her her wish after she became hysterical. The court then heard and this is another part of this, he tried to kill himself by taking an overdose but paramedics arrived in time to save him. This is him appearing outside court this morning with his lawyer and i think we can look at this now. We can look at this now. Thank you to all the people we can look at this now. Thank you to all the people who we can look at this now. Thank you to all the people who have we can look at this now. Thank you | to all the people who have donated to all the people who have donated to me to all the people who have donated to me and to all the people who have donated to me and especially my mates, my workmates to me and especially my mates, my workmates. I dont know for i will be without workmates. I dont know for i will be without them. Be without them. How are you feelin . Be without them. How are you feeling . Well, be without them. How are you feeling . Well, i be without them. How are you feeling . Well, i hope be without them. How are you feeling . Well, i hope i be without them. How are you feeling . Well, i hope i am be without them. How are you feeling . 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When you are in that pressure for two years, wondering which way it is going two years, wondering which way it is going to two years, wondering which way it is going to girl, you dont know. Sharon going to girl, you dont know. Aaron has not in going to girl, you dont know. Aaron has got in touch, going to girl, you dont know. Aaron has got in touch, good going to girl, you dont know. Aaron has got in touch, good morning. | has got in touch, good morning. Ann. I want to hear the reaction from people about the fact david is free and what happened and what he went through, for the family had been through. What do you think, what is on your mind . been through. What do you think, what is on your mind . I am been through. What do you think, what is on your mind . I am speaking from personal what is on your mind . I am speaking from personal experience. What is on your mind . I am speaking from personal experience. Both what is on your mind . I am speaking from personal experience. Both my. From personal experience. Both my parents died ten years apart but they both died from cancer of the bladder. They both died very painful deaths which took them weeks and weeks to die, even though they were on morphine. It wasjust horrible weeks to die, even though they were on morphine. It was just horrible to see. And i would like to say to anyone who speaks up against david hunter, has never experienced that situation yourself, do not knock this guy, personally i think he is very brave in what he did. You know, we all know the law in most countries france upon assisting a loved one to die. But i mean i have not done it myself but i wish i had been brave enough to do that because having to watch a loved one die in so much pain, it is horrible. And i think the law needs to be addressed. You have to be very careful with how these laws start and obviously we do not want people knocking people off with the excuse that they are doing it out of kindness but i do think the laws in a lot of countries, certainly the uk, needs to be looked at again. Because it is all very well saying life is precious, it is when it is going well. But when you are in so much pain, day after day, month after month, that is not life, thatis month after month, that is not life, that is a living death. And i think people who need help to pass on when they are in a considerable amount of pain, there should be a way of helping them to speed things up. The situation with your parents, janice, according to what david hunter said in court, his wife wanted help, she wanted her husband to help her to die. I am sorry if you feel i am prying, you said as your personal experience, do you believe either of your parents would have said, i do not know if they did. Your parents would have said, i do not know if they did. Not know if they did. Neither of them did not know if they did. Neither of them did. They not know if they did. Neither of them did. They were not know if they did. Neither of them did. They were both not know if they did. Neither of| them did. They were both elderly. The morphine although worked for a short length of time, each dose they had, obviously it stays in the system and i do not think labour really thinking straight for several weeks before they died. I note my mother certainly was not. I am glad that they didnt ask me, to be perfectly honest because i do not know what i would have done. Exactly, exactly. And this is what i am saying, david and the people like him, not the first person to have found himself in a situation, i think they are incredibly brave. As i say, i suppose this is the way out of a covered but i am glad neither of a covered but i am glad neither of my parents asked me to help them, i do not know what i would have done. Foranyone i do not know what i would have done. For anyone who does what david did and he has not deserved to be nearly two years in prison for helping his poor wife to relieve her of the pain she was in. Of the pain she was in. Youre riaht, of the pain she was in. Youre right. Ann. Of the pain she was in. Youre right, ann. Imagine of the pain she was in. Youre right, ann. Imagine that of the pain she was in. Youre right, ann. Imagine that situation. People that you love so much, looks you in the eye and says please, help me to die, love me. What would we do . What would you think . It is so difficult, isnt it . It do . What would you think . It is so difficult, isnt it . Difficult, isnt it . It is, incredibly difficult, isnt it . It is, incredibly difficult. Difficult, isnt it . It is, | incredibly difficult. And i difficult, isnt it . It is, incredibly difficult. And i am difficult, isnt it . It is, incredibly difficult. And i am sure there are lots of people who have done less and it has not been discovered. Done less and it has not been discovered. ,. ,. , done less and it has not been discovered. ,. , � discovered. Those are start and ill be speaking discovered. Those are start and ill be speaking to discovered. Those are start and ill be speaking to somebody, discovered. Those are start and ill be speaking to somebody, a discovered. Those are start and ill be speaking to somebody, a friend discovered. Those are start and ill i be speaking to somebody, a friend of mine recently, talking about the death of somebody that they loved. Im just saying to the doctor, make sure they do not suffer. Towards the end. And the doctor saying do not worry, they will not suffer. And there is a great, isnt there . Definitely. To be perfectly honest, my mother came home. In one of her lucid moments what she was in hospital she kept asking to go home. I mean obviously it was perfectly obvious she had not got long to live. And we dont have her brought home to her home. And we had district nurses coming in twice a day to check and turn her over give her medication. Now that medication, that martin, was left at the home of my mother. That morphine. One of the nurses said if she got into a lot of pain during the day, i cannot remember the amount that they suggested i could give a small amount to ease the pain. But it shocked me, ok, she did ask to come home but that medication, there was a box filled with morphine in the house of my mother watch if i had been so inclined, i could have been pouring it down her throat all day. That is a difficult situation. I know. People want to go home to die, i respected the wishes of my mother as did everyone else. But i knew that would have to be something that would have to be taken into consideration, should she leave this kind of stuff . Consideration, should she leave this kind of stuff . Thank you so much for caettin in kind of stuff . Thank you so much for getting in touch kind of stuff . Thank you so much for getting in touch and kind of stuff . Thank you so much for getting in touch and for kind of stuff . Thank you so much for getting in touch and for your kind of stuff . Thank you so much for getting in touch and for your text getting in touch and for your text and i suppose what will muster in mind the verse that we do not hear is that of the dead person. It is a charter for people manipulating and abusing as well, that side of the argument needs to be heard and just mentioned that. Doctor Mark Pickering from care not killing, hello. ,. , i. 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Your reaction . Good morning. It is relief. A enrichment. Your reaction . Good morning. It is relief. A lot enrichment. Your reaction . Good morning. It is relief. A lot of morning. It is relief. A lot of people are very, very straightforward. And very honest in their views. Straightforward. And very honest in theirviews. David had straightforward. And very honest in their views. David had so much up around him from france. And i think people canjudge if around him from france. And i think people can judge if they are a good person or a bad person and if anybody had thought for a minute that he had nice out of their own way, they would not have supported him and even his own daughter was standing by him and i am relieved because he did it out of love. Yeah. It is such because he did it out of love. Yeah. It is such a because he did it out of love. Yeah. It is such a difficult because he did it out of love. Yeah. It is such a difficult thing, because he did it out of love. Yeah. It is such a difficult thing, they it is such a difficult thing, they had been together 50 years, can you imagine how hard it has been for him to make that decision . But because he loved her so much, he did not want to see her in pain and sadly, cancer will affect every single person, somebody in their family at some time. And nobody can judge until they have been in that situation. Until they have been in that situation until they have been in that situation. , situation. Nobody can udge until the have situation. Nobody can udge until they have been h situation. Nobody can udge until they have been in situation. Nobody canjudge until they have been in that situation. Nobody canjudge until they have been in that situation. | they have been in that situation. Mark, christine is right, isnt she . I would just say, my mother, she has been dead ten years now, i took her to a well clinic and they diagnosed her one over the with lung cancer. And they told me she would have three months. My mother was a sister in a hospital and she had not lost her marbles at all. I decided that i did not want her to know, i know a lot of people will hate me for that but my mother had gone blind and i did not want her to sit in a chair for three months waiting for the day she was going to die. And i was told by the surgeon if i did that, i could have no help at all from anybody. Because it is against their ethics. So i took her home and her own doctor came out to see us. She left me morphine and sleeping tablets and said, give it to her as and when needed to relieve the pain. And we never saw anybody again. For three months, my son and i looked after her until the day she died. I myself was happy that i did say i did not want her to know. She thought she had shingles. So she never died knowing she had cancer. Thank you very much indeed. Thank you. Take care. Both christine and ann, saying it is so difficult, you do not know unless you are in that situation. Michael is the way for david hunter. Iam situation. Michael is the way for david hunter. I am very interested to hear what you say, assess everybody but Mark Pickering, pick it up for what you have heard. Being in that situation, goodness only knows what many people will be thinking, but i will do. Edit knows what many people will be thinking, but i will do. Of course, it really terrible thinking, but i will do. Of course, it really terrible and thinking, but i will do. Of course, it really terrible and tragic it really terrible and tragic situation and anyone who hears that has to have great compassion for david and what he did. I think the court in cyprus appears to have been appropriately lenient and compassionate. What he has done is currently a crime in cyprus so it is important the law has taken its course and yet it is good he has been released. None of us would have wanted to have gone into that situation but there is a lot of confusion around the situation he has faced. Lots of people talk about janice being terminally, there is no evidence she was, haematologist said she was not terminally ill and i think that highlights the confusion in the situation. There is no evidence that she had good Palliative Care. There was a recent mass story of a man and paphos who has set up a hospice since then because there was not a good Palliative Care and he is rightly bemoaning the fact she did not appear to have access to that so who knows what would have happened if david and janice would have had the right care in her suffering7 but often we hear people using this as a call to change the law so we should be able to end the life of people in suffering and you hear people like dignity in dying, the Main Campaign group in the uk and be very tightly campaign for group in the uk and be very tightly campaignfora law group in the uk and be very tightly campaign for a law change only for those with six months left to live from terminal illness. For one thing, it is hard tojudge those lengths of time, it is not an exact science at all. And certainly in the case of janus, she science at all. And certainly in the case ofjanus, she may science at all. And certainly in the case of janus, she may happen able to look for a couple or three years, certainly what her haematologist said there are lots of people like to meet nicklinson, paul lamb, well known cases, they suffered greatly so it is saving very pleasant area and we have got to be incredibly careful using this as a suggestion that we should change the law. I think what we need is better care for people at the end of life. Michael, go all the lawyer for david hunter. What has this to be like for david . , , hunter. What has this to be like for david . , ,. ,. , david . The last couple of weeks have been very emotional david . The last couple of weeks have been very emotional for david . The last couple of weeks have been very emotional for all david . The last couple of weeks have been very emotional for all of david . The last couple of weeks have been very emotional for all of us. Been very emotional for all of us. He was been very emotional for all of us. He was facing a charge of Premeditated Murder which carries a Life Sentence which would have resulted Life Sentence which would have resulted in him dying in prison in cyprus resulted in him dying in prison in cyprus and resulted in him dying in prison in cyprus and then two weeks ago he was found cyprus and then two weeks ago he was found not cyprus and then two weeks ago he was found not guilty of the murder but guilty found not guilty of the murder but guilty of found not guilty of the murder but guilty of manslaughter. This is everything we hoping for. He was willing everything we hoping for. He was willing to everything we hoping for. He was willing to plead guilty to manslaughter at an earlier stage but that did manslaughter at an earlier stage but that did not happen for various reasons that did not happen for various reasons. He was very excited about that result reasons. He was very excited about that result. And then we came back for mitigation on thursday before the court. For mitigation on thursday before the court, kessler from across the common the court, kessler from across the common law countries which have similarities common law countries which have similarities to cyprus. Cyprus has never similarities to cyprus. Cyprus has never dealt similarities to cyprus. Cyprus has never dealt with a case like this before so never dealt with a case like this before so this is the first of its kind before so this is the first of its kind and before so this is the first of its kind and he was sentenced this morning kind and he was sentenced this morning and the judge gave a very balanced morning and the judge gave a very balanced view of the case. Talking about balanced view of the case. Talking about the balanced view of the case. Talking about the sanctity of life but also speaking about the sanctity of life but also speaking about the particular circumstances of this case, they had been circumstances of this case, they had been together for over 50 years, a loving been together for over 50 years, a loving relationship, we call witnesses during the case who spoke about witnesses during the case who spoke about her witnesses during the case who spoke about her perfect the relationship is between them. And we thank the court is between them. And we thank the court came is between them. And we thank the court came to a fair decision with the sentence of what happened after the sentence of what happened after the hearing, we were trying to calculate the hearing, we were trying to calculate how much longer david would calculate how much longer david would spend inside, he got a sentence would spend inside, he got a sentence of two years and the sentencing calculation rules in cyprus sentencing calculation rules in cyprus are particularly difficult and on cyprus are particularly difficult and on top of that there is a prison overcrowding position in cyprus so they release people slightly earlier than the they release people slightly earlier than the stated time. We were going to o than the stated time. We were going to go down than the stated time. We were going to go down to the cells to see him and celebrate the result and say you have got and celebrate the result and say you have got to and celebrate the result and say you have got to spend some more months at least have got to spend some more months at least in have got to spend some more months at least in prison and he popped up next to at least in prison and he popped up next to us at least in prison and he popped up next to us and he was released so it was next to us and he was released so it was surprising even for the lawyers it was surprising even for the lawyers in it was surprising even for the lawyers in the case that he was released lawyers in the case that he was released. He is very pleased to be at a person released. He is very pleased to be at a person although he was treated very well at a person although he was treated very well by the present there, it is not very well by the present there, it is not something that is easy for anybody is not something that is easy for anybody to be, especially if you are his age anybody to be, especially if you are his a. E. , anybody to be, especially if you are his ace. , anybody to be, especially if you are his ae. ,. , anybody to be, especially if you are his ae. ,. , his age. The day that china start and she wanted his age. The day that china start and she wanted to his age. The day that china start and she wanted to die, his age. The day that china start and she wanted to die, she his age. The day that china start i and she wanted to die, she wanted his age. The day that china start and she wanted to die, she wanted to be helped, what was that they like for david . It be helped, what was that they like for david . ,. , be helped, what was that they like for david . ,. ,. , for david . It must have been really difficult, really for david . It must have been really difficult, really difficult for david . It must have been really difficult, really difficult to for david . It must have been really difficult, really difficult to see difficult, really difficult to see someone you love so very much and spend someone you love so very much and spend all someone you love so very much and spend all your life with them. Over 50 years spend all your life with them. Over 50 years together. They met at a dance 50 years together. They met at a dance for 50 years together. They met at a dance for the miners and she said, you are dance for the miners and she said, you are sitting in my seat so you are going you are sitting in my seat so you are going to have to dance with me and it are going to have to dance with me and it was are going to have to dance with me and it was like a perfect love story, and it was like a perfect love story, the and it was like a perfect love story, the relationship. They have a daughter, story, the relationship. They have a daughter, he worked up to seven days a week daughter, he worked up to seven days a week in daughter, he worked up to seven days a week in the mines, he sent to university a week in the mines, he sent to university and is immensely proud of who and university and is immensely proud of who and what she has achieved as well so who and what she has achieved as well so it who and what she has achieved as well so it must have been very difficult, well so it must have been very difficult, a well so it must have been very difficult, a very difficult decision to make difficult, a very difficult decision to make when you have someone asking it to end to make when you have someone asking it to end their to make when you have someone asking it to end their life, in so much pain, it to end their life, in so much pain, and it to end their life, in so much pain, and you make that decision, it must pain, and you make that decision, it must have pain, and you make that decision, it must have been immensely difficult. It is must have been immensely difficult. It is a must have been immensely difficult. It is a decision we all hope you will never it is a decision we all hope you will never have to make in our own lives will never have to make in our own lives. ~. ,. ,. , lives. We heard from doctor Mark Pickerin , lives. We heard from doctor Mark Pickering, saying lives. We heard from doctor Mark Pickering, saying that lives. We heard from doctor Mark Pickering, saying that a lives. We heard from doctor Mark Pickering, saying that a lot lives. We heard from doctor Mark Pickering, saying that a lot of lives. We heard from doctor Mark Pickering, saying that a lot of this is down to substandard Palliative Care. That is it is not good enough in too many places. Surely that would have made a difference to janice7 in would have made a difference to janice . ,. , would have made a difference to janice . , janice . In some cases it can but there will janice . In some cases it can but there will be janice . 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That is a question people will have to think that is a question people will have to think about, is that the right way to to think about, is that the right way to go to think about, is that the right way to go about it . To think about, is that the right way to go about it . What is the riaht way to go about it . What is the ri. Ht wa way to go about it . What is the right way to way to go about it . What is the right way to go way to go about it . What is the right way to go about way to go about it . What is the right way to go about it, way to go about it . What is the i right way to go about it, michael . Way to go about it . What is the right way to go about it, michael . I think the Current Situation and she had people arguing about euthanasia and saying you know, it should not be legalised but the situation we are in be legalised but the situation we are in is be legalised but the situation we are in is that if you have enough money, are in is that if you have enough money, you are in is that if you have enough money, you fly to switzerland and you end money, you fly to switzerland and you end your life and if you are in the right you end your life and if you are in the right kind of have to be able to do that the right kind of have to be able to do that. You come to a situation which do that. You come to a situation which people, of course, get to choose which people, of course, get to choose when they end their lives and those choose when they end their lives and those who choose when they end their lives and those who do not have as much money do not those who do not have as much money do not survive those who do not have as much money do not survive or not starting from the position do not survive or not starting from the position we know that this is not happening, will know doctors in the uk not happening, will know doctors in the uk are not happening, will know doctors in the uk are giving pain medication which the uk are giving pain medication which ends up ending the lives of people which ends up ending the lives of people and its not so different from people and its not so different from euthanasia in effect. So you have from euthanasia in effect. So you have that from euthanasia in effect. So you have that kind of thing which we know have that kind of thing which we know happens. We have people flying to switzerland or other places to end a to switzerland or other places to end a life to switzerland or other places to end a life that they had the money or are end a life that they had the money or are healthy enough to do it. All these or are healthy enough to do it. All these kind or are healthy enough to do it. All these kind of things when it comes to legalisation, different areas, but you to legalisation, different areas, but you are really looking at as he ets but you are really looking at as he gets access to it. In no way because there gets access to it. In no way because there no gets access to it. In no way because there no euthanasia or access to euthanasia there no euthanasia or access to euthanasia for people in the uk, its about euthanasia for people in the uk, its about who can get that. Do you want to come its about who can get that. Do you want to come back its about who can get that. Do you want to come back and its about who can get that. Do you want to come back and not, its about who can get that. Do you want to come back and not, doctor Mark Pickering7 i want to come back and not, doctor Mark Pickering . Mark pickering . I would love to. I am cuite Mark Pickering . I would love to. I am quite shocked Mark Pickering . I would love to. I am quite shocked to Mark Pickering . I would love to. I am quite shocked to hear Mark Pickering . I would love to. I am quite shocked to hear michael using this almost as propaganda for changing the law. I think this is a very tragic case, there seems to be very tragic case, there seems to be very good evidence that janice simply did not get good cursor would need to be incredibly careful about using a case like this to campaign for a law change when these things have to be done very carefully in the cold light of day. Dignity in dying, the Main Campaign organisation here, when they released a Statement Last week there were very careful about it, they did not support what david had done, they simply reiterated their own Campaign Goals and i think if we use david and janice, this case, as a reason to change the law, then basically it is open season. I think you people are going to be honest and say anyone who is suffering should have access to assisted suicide or euthanasia, like in canada,is suicide or euthanasia, like in canada, is the case. But suicide or euthanasia, like in canada, is the case. But what it shows, canada, is the case. But what it shows. People canada, is the case. But what it shows, people say, canada, is the case. But what it shows, people say, this canada, is the case. But what it shows, people say, this was canada, is the case. But what it i shows, people say, this was clearly, was it not, this was an act of love . Wasnt it . I was it not, this was an act of love . Wasnt it . ,. , ~ was it not, this was an act of love . Wasnt it . Wasnt it . I do not think there is any reason wasnt it . I do not think there is any reason to wasnt it . I do not think there is any reason to doubt wasnt it . I do not think there is any reason to doubt that, wasnt it . I do not think there is any reason to doubt that, that l wasnt it . I do not think there is any reason to doubt that, that is why i say i am glad david has been released from prison, the good judicial process has been going through and the evidence heard, there was no evidence he acted in malice and that is why he is released today and when we look at people in the uk have done similar things for the relatives, they hardly ever getjailed. The law has a stern face but a kind heart. And actually when law is properly applied, then people can be dealt with compassionately. I think if we use this case like i say as a reason to change the law, you open a pandoras box and just like in canada, when they only change the law in 2016, now there are up to 10 of deaths done by euthanasia in some parts of canada. People will really being quite frightened about the pace at which. Just being quite frightened about the pace at which. Being quite frightened about the pace at which. Just the point that m aood pace at which. Just the point that my good mate. Pace at which. Just the point that my good mate. It pace at which. Just the point that my good mate, it is pace at which. Just the point that my good mate, it is happening. I pace at which. Just the point that i my good mate, it is happening. Isnt it . Because doctors are giving pain medication that is hastening, i know this is the principle of double effect, it eases the pain but it eases the way to death. I effect, it eases the pain but it eases the way to death. I think that is what you eases the way to death. I think that is what you fear eases the way to death. I think that is what you fear mongering. Eases the way to death. I think that is what you fear mongering. Is eases the way to death. I think that is what you fear mongering. Is it i is what you fear mongering. Is it fear mongering is what you fear mongering. Is it fear mongering all hope mongering . Fear mongering all hope mongering7 people will often talk about doctors are doing this anyway. Anonymous surveys show that is vanishingly rare, especially in the uk for Palliative Care is genuinely done well and when opiates are used properly, when they are titrated against pain, you can kill the pain without killing the patient and people will but doesnt come a point towards the end, the end is hastened7 that happens a lot . Give me evidence. Hastened . That happens a lot . Give me evidence hastened . That happens a lot . Give me evidence. I l me evidence. Michael, evidence . I come back me evidence. Michael, evidence . I come back to me evidence. Michael, evidence . I come back to the me evidence. Michael, evidence . I come back to the point me evidence. Michael, evidence . I come back to the point that me evidence. Michael, evidence . I come back to the point that there i come back to the point that there are parts come back to the point that there are parts of uk law alleviates some of the are parts of uk law alleviates some of the toughness of a murder conviction and it is often done to enjoy conviction and it is often done to enjoy in conviction and it is often done to enjoy in the uk that fine people not guilty enjoy in the uk that fine people not guilty or enjoy in the uk that fine people not guilty or guilty of manslaughter or a lesser guilty or guilty of manslaughter or a lesser offence so should it will be left a lesser offence so should it will be left in a lesser offence so should it will be left in their hands . In cases such be left in their hands . In cases such as be left in their hands . In cases such as this . I do not think perhaps not. Such as this . I do not think perhaps not but such as this . I do not think perhaps not but in such as this . I do not think perhaps not. But in relation to the general principle not. But in relation to the general principle that if someone is in a lot of principle that if someone is in a lot of pain principle that if someone is in a lot of pain or suffering, they should lot of pain or suffering, they should just kill the pain and medicate them so they do not know what is medicate them so they do not know what is going on rather than allow them what is going on rather than allow them some dignity, rather than allow them some dignity, rather than allow them some them some dignity, rather than allow them some autonomy, i do not agree with that them some autonomy, i do not agree with that. There will be many people who agree with that. There will be many people who agree with mark i and say we should who agree with mark i and say we should stop people doing that but is interesting from a theoretical point of view interesting from a theoretical point of view but if it came down to a person of view but if it came down to a person you of view but if it came down to a person you know and love and they are in person you know and love and they are in pain, person you know and love and they are in pain, i person you know and love and they are in pain, ithink lots person you know and love and they are in pain, i think lots of this theory are in pain, i think lots of this theory which is being put out at the moment, theory which is being put out at the moment, and murky system of propaganda, of course their arguments on both sides, valid arguments on both sides, valid arguments on both sides, valid arguments on both sides, i would not call an arguments on both sides, i would not call an anti euthanasia argument propaganda, but even when it comes down propaganda, but even when it comes down to propaganda, but even when it comes down to it. Propaganda, but even when it comes down to it, when it comes down to that moment, mark is there and we hope that moment, mark is there and we hope this that moment, mark is there and we hope this does not happen to someone like mark hope this does not happen to someone like mark or hope this does not happen to someone like mark or me but when we are in the position like mark or me but when we are in the position you need to make the decision the position you need to make the decision about leaving someone out your daily decision about leaving someone out your daily life in a lot of pain and that is your daily life in a lot of pain and that is really the alternative. We can talk that is really the alternative. We can talk about giving pain medication, there is a level when people medication, there is a level when people are medication, there is a level when people are suffering so much and they ask people are suffering so much and they ask us to end their life, we still go they ask us to end their life, we still go back to base theoretical arguments that we have been hearing. Its not a theoretical argument, i worked as a hospice doctor, it is a vanishingly rare situation when they cant make somebody� s pain significantly better. It is rare that you have to sedate somebody so much that they dont know what is happening. You know, people will throw bob mcnair we talked about theory under that sort of thing around, but when you talk to people who do this, day in, day out, who care for dying people, who are specialists, the vast majority of them will say there is no reason to change the law because we hear situations about bed deaths, often it is about poor care, it might be that people have had a medical care for people who are not specialists in caring for the dying. We must be so careful we dont use those and extrapolate unfairly to what can be done when there is good care. Finally, we are rich in callers, and i want to give people their say very soon, certainly after the news and the sport. But michael, do you think this is a significant moment in the legalfight to enable this is a significant moment in the legal fight to enable assisted dying7 legal fight to enable assisted d in . , legal fight to enable assisted d in . , legal fight to enable assisted d in . , legal fight to enable assisted dying . This case is based upon its own facts. Dying . This case is based upon its own facts. We dying . This case is based upon its own facts, we think dying . This case is based upon its own facts, we think the dying . This case is based upon its own facts, we think the court dying . This case is based upon its. Own facts, we think the court made the right own facts, we think the court made the right decision today. I know the green the right decision today. I know the green party the right decision today. I know the green party in cyprus has mentioned a bill looking at legalisation of euthanasia to some extent. I dont have euthanasia to some extent. I dont have the euthanasia to some extent. I dont have the exact details of it. Its something that the cypriot government is looking at, and parliament is looking at. Just coming parliament is looking at. Just coming back to the point of where moral coming back to the point of where moral objections clash with personal experience, cyprus is a deeply religious experience, cyprus is a deeply religious country, where it has a lot of religious country, where it has a lot of sway religious country, where it has a lot of sway on society, but ive not spoken lot of sway on society, but ive not spoken to lot of sway on society, but ive not spoken to anybody in cyprus who says. Spoken to anybody in cyprus who says. In spoken to anybody in cyprus who says. In a spoken to anybody in cyprus who says, in a circumstance like that, with says, in a circumstance like that, with a says, in a circumstance like that, with a Family Member in that situation, with a Family Member in that situation, i would with a Family Member in that situation, iwould not with a Family Member in that situation, i would not have done the same situation, i would not have done the same thing situation, i would not have done the same thing. It really does show that the law same thing. It really does show that the law is same thing. It really does show that the law is not in line with how people the law is not in line with how people would behave if it was somebody they loved. That people would behave if it was somebody they loved. That was a oint somebody they loved. That was a point made somebody they loved. That was a point made very somebody they loved. That was a point made very eloquently somebody they loved. That was a | point made very eloquently earlier on by christine. Finally, where is david, how is david . What is he feeling right now, michael7 hes feeling right now, michael . Hes ust ve feeling right now, michael . Hes just very pleased feeling right now, michael . Hes just very pleased to feeling right now, michael . Hes just very pleased to be out. Hes been just very pleased to be out. Hes been in prison now for about 19 months been in prison now for about 19 months. Thats a long time to be in prison, months. Thats a long time to be in prison, of months. Thats a long time to be in prison, of course. Hesjust very pleased prison, of course. Hesjust very pleased to prison, of course. Hesjust very pleased to be out. He spoken on the phone pleased to be out. He spoken on the phone to pleased to be out. He spoken on the phone to his pleased to be out. He spoken on the phone to his daughter, who was elated phone to his daughter, who was elated that he has been released. She has elated that he has been released. She has been supporting the whole way through. Is she has been supporting the whole way through way through. Is he going to come back to england . Way through. Is he going to come back to england . He way through. Is he going to come back to england . He will way through. Is he going to come back to england . He will take way through. Is he going to come i back to england . He will take some time to think back to england . He will take some time to think about back to england . He will take some time to think about what back to england . He will take some time to think about what he back to england . He will take some time to think about what he does. I time to think about what he does. But he time to think about what he does. But he said time to think about what he does. But he said thank you to the community in the north east of England Community in the North East Of England who have been supporting him throughout the united kingdom. He thanks throughout the united kingdom. He thanks everybody for getting behind him. , ~ thanks everybody for getting behind him. ,. , thanks everybody for getting behind him. , ~ ,. , thanks everybody for getting behind him. , i. ,. Thanks everybody for getting behind him. ~ i. ,. ~ thanks everybody for getting behind him. ~ ,. ~ him. Thank you very much. Thank you to doctor mark him. Thank you very much. Thank you to doctor Mark Pickering him. Thank you very much. Thank you to doctor Mark Pickering and him. Thank you very much. Thank you to doctor Mark Pickering and michael| to doctor Mark Pickering and michael pollock. Lets go back to the calls. This is your place to react to the big stories of the day. But now the news. A british pensioner who killed his severely ill wife at their home in cyprus has been released from prison. 76 year old david hunter was found guilty of manslaughter and handed a two year sentence, but was freed because of the time he had spent in custody. 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They need 249 runs for victory in the fifth test, and to win the series as well. Lets head to the oval. Eleanor will be watching. We are in for more drama7 fitting after this most dramatic of series that it comes down to the final day with all results possible in the test match. But only one result, an england win, will stop this australia side becoming the first since steve waughs 2001 from winning the ashes are right. The outfield is damp, it will be a challenge for the english bowlers to take the last ten wickets. Australia brought up mammoth target within sight yesterday, with warner and khawaja batting throughout the day. England need ten more wickets. We got a full day in prospect. The Weather Forecast is not too bad and Weather Forecast is not too bad and we are under way at 11. We are under way at 11. Good news. Commentary we are under way at 11. Good news. Commentary on we are under way at 11. Good news. Commentary on the we are under way at 11. Good news. Commentary on the test we are under way at 11. Good news. Commentary on the test match we are under way at 11. Good news. I commentary on the test match special on five sports extra. Lets move on to the womens world cup. Japan have finished top of group c after a brilliant 4 0 win against spain. Scotland have lost 76 37 to australia in the second stage of the netball world cup. And Warrington Wolves head coach daryl powell has left the Super League Club by mutual consent. Reactions to david hunters release, he is a free man. John in darlington, good morning, john. What do you think . Darlington, good morning, john. What do you think . Hello. What do you think . What do you think . Hello. What do you think . What do do you think . Hello. What do you think . What do i do you think . Hello. What do you think . What do i think . Do you think . Hello. What do you think . What do i think . Well, do you think . Hello. What do you | think . What do i think . Well, first of all i think . What do i think . Well, first of all i feel think . What do i think . Well, first of all i feel very think . What do i think . Well, first of all i feel very upset think . What do i think . Well, first of all i feel very upset about think . What do i think . Well, first of all i feel very upset about davidi of all i feel very upset about david hunter, it is terrible to have to go through what he has gone through. But my main point is that i think we must decide ourselves what we want, what i want. What i want is the most important thing. Interestingly, doctor pickering kept talking about they, as though they werent there, it was not their decision, the person who was lying there in total illness, he wants to build their who wants to end their lives, he wants to continue their lives and they may not want to. We ourselves must make that decision. Lit ogre they may not want to. We ourselves must make that decision. Must make that decision. If we had the capacity. Must make that decision. If we had the capacity. That must make that decision. If we had the capacity, that is must make that decision. If we had the capacity, that is the must make that decision. If we had the capacity, that is the point . Must make that decision. If we had the capacity, that is the point . To. The capacity, that is the point . To make the decision . Make the decision . Well, if we havent got make the decision . Well, if we havent got the make the decision . Well, if we havent got the capacity make the decision . Well, if we havent got the capacity then i make the decision . Well, if we | havent got the capacity then we make the decision . Well, if we havent got the capacity then we are past the point of living anyway, surely7 somebody is going to have to maybe help us along the way. I have power of attorney that says if i am in that position, i would like to end my life. I dont want to be lying there. The thing nobody seems to have mentioned this quality of life. Unless you have reasonable quality of life, what is the point of living . I would like to end my life, however, somebody else may say they have a poor quality of life but they have a poor quality of life but they would like to continue to live. Let them make that decision. And if they have decided that, then we should look after them as well as we can. But in my personal case, i would like to be able to decide myself where i do it. I saw my dear mother in law have a three year death. It was astounding. She wanted to die. By the end of it, she had dementia, and she had cancer. And she couldnt then make the decision. It was too late by then. She had said previously that she wanted to die. As i say, i mentioned terry pratchett, i watched his programme where he followed the guy to switzerland. In my estimations, the poor man who went to switzerland had loads of life left in him, but he was worried that it. Loads of life left in him, but he was worried that it. Loads of life left in him, but he was worried that it. Yes, i saw that. Was worried that it. Yes, i saw that whos was worried that it. Yes, i saw that. Whos life was worried that it. Yes, i saw that. Whos life is was worried that it. Yes, i saw that. Whos life is it was worried that it. Yes, i saw that. Whos life is it anyway was worried that it. Yes, i saw i that. Whos life is it anyway thing. It was very unprepossessing place, dignitas. I want to get alices reaction to what you have said so powerfully, and with such conviction. Which many people will applaud you for. Alice, what do you think . Not real name, hi, alice. Share think . Not real name, hi, alice. Are ou think . Not real name, hi, alice. Are you there . Think . Not real name, hi, alice. Are you there . Maybe you have forgotten that alice you there . Maybe you have forgotten that alice is not your real name . We can hear you. It is so difficult, or is it . L we can hear you. It is so difficult, or is it . We can hear you. It is so difficult, or is it . ,. , or is it . I ust felt i needed to make a or is it . I just felt i needed to make a contribution, or is it . I just felt i needed to make a contribution, because or is it . I just felt i needed to | make a contribution, because i or is it . I just felt i needed to make a contribution, because i am a district nurse, i have been working in the community for the past six years, and part of my role is to offer Palliative Care, and end of life care. So, i have looked after a lot of patients and their family, while the patient has been dying. My experience is that passing away should be very peaceful, very calm. With the right medication. I do completely agree with the doctor, the medication that we give doesnt hasten death, itjust eases the pain and the symptoms, as you are moving towards dying. I have experienced looking after many dying patients, and they have been able to die peacefully at home with their loved ones around them. Ijust think david may be didnt have the support, and his wife didnt have the support around him, the Palliative Care. I think it must have been quite a violent passing for his wife. And i just know that it doesnt have to be that way, if the right care is in place for you. I felt i that way, if the right care is in place for you. Ifelt i had that way, if the right care is in place for you. I felt i had to that way, if the right care is in place for you. Ifelt i had to make that contribution. And listening to the lawyer as well, he was making some quite inaccurate statements, because he has no experience looking after dying patients. Iwould because he has no experience looking after dying patients. I would like to make a contribution. After dying patients. I would like to make a contribution. Thank you for doinu to make a contribution. Thank you for doing it to make a contribution. Thank you for doing it. George to make a contribution. Thank you for doing it. George and to make a contribution. Thank you i for doing it. George and cambridge. What is it like watching the story today, hearing about the story . First of all, to put things into perspective, i have also looked after people that were dying. My mother, in 1999, died from cancer. It doesnt matter what the cancer was, but it had taken a while, and i was, but it had taken a while, and i was the last one of the family at her bedside while she was alive. She begged me to put a pillow over her face. L begged me to put a pillow over her face. ,. ,. , i. , face. I want to ask you about this with space face. I want to ask you about this with space and face. I want to ask you about this with space and with face. I want to ask you about this with space and with time, face. I want to ask you about this with space and with time, and i face. I want to ask you about this | with space and with time, and im going to do that in a second. Lots of people are texting with their own experiences, saying they dont want to come on and it is deeply upsetting. So i can remind you that between now and when we finish there is some upsetting stuff. If you are watching on bbc two, youre leaving us for the football, australia against canada. Everyone else is staying here. Sorry about that, had to do that little bit of housekeeping. George, you took my breath away. Flan housekeeping. George, you took my breath away housekeeping. George, you took my| breath away it breath away. Can you hear me 0k . It is a much better breath away. Can you hear me 0k . It is a much better line breath away. Can you hear me 0k . It is a much better line now. Breath away. Can you hear me 0k . It is a much better line now. I is a much better line now. I couldnt do what my is a much better line now. L couldnt do what my mother asked me to do. The last words i heard my mother say to me was that she regretted giving birth to me and that i was useless, but i couldnt help her in herfinal moments of life. That is the last thing i heard her say. And for the last 24 years, ive had that with me. That my mother regretted giving birth to me. Because i couldnt help her kill herself. Now, thats another side of the story, surely7 because this gentleman we are talking about now, if he had had similar conversations with his wife, if she had gone ahead and done something herself, then perhaps the other side of that coin would be that he would have had massive regrets for as long as he has got left of what his wife thought about him. Its notjust about her, its notjust about the person that has died. I have nursed people who have died, and i watched my mother and father die, one in a care home, or in hospital, and the other in a care home, and to be honest, no matter what way you die, it is still final. If they ask you to help them and you dont do it, then they do what my mother did, you know, where does that leave you . What can you do . That know, where does that leave you . What can you do . Know, where does that leave you . What can you do . That was a moment of complete what can you do . That was a moment of complete agony what can you do . That was a moment of complete agony for what can you do . That was a moment of complete agony for her, what can you do . That was a moment of complete agony for her, wasnt of complete agony for her, wasnt it . She wasjust lashing out. Its not what she thought. Filth. It . She wasjust lashing out. Its not what she thought. It . She wasjust lashing out. Its not what she thought. You not what she thought. Oh, yeah. You know that, not what she thought. Oh, yeah. You know that. But not what she thought. Oh, yeah. You know that, but you not what she thought. Oh, yeah. You know that, but you have not what she thought. Oh, yeah. You know that, but you have still know that, but you have still carried this, that is the thing . L carried this, that is the thing . I know, and ive told other carried this, that is the thing . L know, and ive told other people, they have said the same stuff. And i believe that as well. I know that. I think loads of people, i have seen loads of people die, it is different when it is your mother and they say they regretted giving birth to you. My they regretted giving birth to you. My heart goes out to you. And what about what has happened today . L about what has happened today . I have every sympathy for the gentleman and the position he found himself in. I understand what was being said about how it wasnt ideal, they didnt have Palliative Care in place. They probably would have found it better if there was some form of medication administered, rather than suffocation, which is a painful way to die. But i have sympathy for him on the position he found himself in, and what he did. And what he did. George, a million thanks. And what he did. George, a million thanks you and what he did. George, a million thanks. You have and what he did. George, a million thanks. You have made and what he did. George, a million thanks. You have made such and what he did. George, a million thanks. You have made such a and what he did. George, a million thanks. You have made such a massive contribution to the debate for millions of people, listening and watching, thank you. Millions of people, listening and watching, thank you. Yeah, its not ust about watching, thank you. Yeah, its not just about the watching, thank you. Yeah, its not just about the person watching, thank you. Yeah, its not just about the person that watching, thank you. Yeah, its not just about the person that is watching, thank you. Yeah, its not just about the person that is dying, it is about the person left behind. Of it is about the person left behind. Of course it is. It goes many ways. Thank you, take care. Susie in stirling, gemma in bolton. Susie, good morning to you. Stirling, gemma in bolton. Susie, good morning to you. Good morning. It is tou~h good morning to you. Good morning. It is tough stuff. Good morning to you. Good morning. It is tough stuff, this, good morning to you. Good morning. It is tough stuff, this, isnt good morning to you. Good morning. It is tough stuff, this, isnt it . It is tough stuff, this, isnt it . Yes, it has brought a lot of stuff back, as well. My first husband died 31 years ago, and he had acute myeloid leukaemia. I am sure treatments have changed in the last 30 years, but he was at home and on a lot of medication. He had a morphine pump and various other things. I was in my early 30s. I remember standing at the bottom of the bed, looking at him. And he was like an animalscreaming the bed, looking at him. And he was like an animal screaming in pain. It was like he was in a trap. His eyes were just like black holes. Was like he was in a trap. His eyes werejust like black holes. I kept running to him to try to comfort him and every time i touched him, he screamed. Because basically his bones were just bleeding into themselves. I was running back and forward, not knowing what to do. It did actually cross my mind, i have to kill him, i have to put him out of his misery. We have this old cricket bat, and i thought, should i. And of course i didnt. It was that point of looking at somebody who seem to have become a creature of pain that i cannot help. And that was with the medication that he had. I was off and on to the gps, and Community Nurses came now and again, but basically i was on my own. When you are in that state and you want to help somebody, rather than watch them suffer over a couple of years, you just think hes going to die anyway, does it matter now or does it matter in two weeks . Even talking about it now makes me shake, because i will never get the image of his face out of my head until the day i die. Crazy, seeing a creature of pain as you put it . Crazy, seeing a creature of pain as you put it . Even putting a straw to his li s you put it . Even putting a straw to his lips was you put it . Even putting a straw to his lips was too you put it . Even putting a straw to his lips was too much you put it . Even putting a straw to his lips was too much for you put it . Even putting a straw to his lips was too much for him. You put it . Even putting a straw to his lips was too much for him. Can | his lips was too much for him. Can you imagine being in that amount of pain that you cant even drink, you cant do anything . Eventually, the pain must have knocked him out. But evenin pain must have knocked him out. But even in the days after that, i got some marie curie care, some respite, some marie curie care, some respite, so i could get some sleep because i was exhausted. Even then, they had to wake me up to say he wont settle, he is wetting himself, there is blood everywhere. Sorry. Its just grim. Eventually we got him into local hospice, and he died within two days. I have to say that macmillan and marie curie were brilliant. And i will back them forever for what they try to do. But even with pain relief, there are points where a human being cant take any more. And when you are standing looking somebody like that, well, i can understand why david felt that he had to do something, and i can understand his wife screaming in pain, because i have witnessed that. L screaming in pain, because i have witnessed that. Screaming in pain, because i have witnessed that. I am going to go to geoff in croydon. Witnessed that. I am going to go to geoff in croydon. Susie, witnessed that. I am going to go to geoff in croydon. Susie, thanks witnessed that. I am going to go to geoff in croydon. Susie, thanks for| geoff in croydon. Susie, thanks for getting in touch. A creature of pain, what a phrase. Jeff, good morning. Yours is a voice that we need to hear on the fact that you got in touch with us is really good. So, what is your situation in life . Well, i havent got long left. I was given well, i havent got long left. I was given six well, i havent got long left. I was given six months in march. And its been given six months in march. And its been hard. Given six months in march. And its been hard, dont get me wrong, its been been hard, dont get me wrong, its been really been hard, dont get me wrong, its been really hard. The pain, you cant been really hard. The pain, you cant even been really hard. The pain, you cant even imagine the pain, even though cant even imagine the pain, even though they have done my meds. Thats though they have done my meds. Thats why though they have done my meds. Thats why i sound a bit distant, because thats why i sound a bit distant, because i thats why i sound a bit distant, because i am on meds now. They work up because i am on meds now. They work up to because i am on meds now. They work up to eight because i am on meds now. They work up to eight point, but there will be a point up to eight point, but there will be a point where everyone knows that its going a point where everyone knows that its going to be excruciating. Because its going to be excruciating. Because what happens with people, it depends because what happens with people, it depends on the heart. Its the last thing depends on the heart. Its the last thing to depends on the heart. Its the last thing to go. I was quite surprised by it thing to go. I was quite surprised by it all thing to go. I was quite surprised by it all when they were telling me the last by it all when they were telling me the last thing to go as your heart. As strong the last thing to go as your heart. As strong as your heart is, that is how much as strong as your heart is, that is how much pain you are going to go through how much pain you are going to go through. And you know what, i cant blame through. And you know what, i cant blame the through. And you know what, i cant blame the bloke, to sit there and watch blame the bloke, to sit there and watch someone you have been with, how long watch someone you have been with, how long was he married to her for . About how long was he married to her for . About 50 how long was he married to her for . About 50 years . It how long was he married to her for . About 50 years . About 50 years . It might be more than that, 1957, about 50 years . It might be more than that, 1957, over about 50 years . It might be more than that, 1957, over 50 about 50 years . It might be more than that, 1957, over 50 years. I than that, 1957, over 50 years. Youre watching somebody you have been with youre watching somebody you have been with over 50 years, and you love them been with over 50 years, and you love them to pieces, soulmate, they are begging you kill them. Youve ot are begging you kill them. Youve got to are begging you kill them. Youve got to do are begging you kill them. Youve got to do it. Im not being funny. Even got to do it. Im not being funny. Even if got to do it. Im not being funny. Even if there is a humane way of doing even if there is a humane way of doing it. Even if there is a humane way of doing it, probably the way he did it was a doing it, probably the way he did it was a bit doing it, probably the way he did it was a bit brutal, suffocation. But i cant was a bit brutal, suffocation. But i cant blame was a bit brutal, suffocation. But i cant blame him, i really cant. Desperation, yeah. Cant blame him, i really cant. Desperation, yeah. Yeah, watching someone you desperation, yeah. Yeah, watching someone you love desperation, yeah. Yeah, watching someone you love disappear desperation, yeah. Yeah, watching someone you love disappear in desperation, yeah. Yeah, watching. Someone you love disappear in front of your someone you love disappear in front of your own someone you love disappear in front of your own eyes, they are in so much of your own eyes, they are in so much pain, of your own eyes, they are in so much pain, you could take. They probably much pain, you could take. They probably can much pain, you could take. They probably can get you in a place where probably can get you in a place where you probably can get you in a place where you are comfortable, but with me its where you are comfortable, but with me its been where you are comfortable, but with me its been very hard because i got tumours me its been very hard because i got tumours popping up everywhere. And the tumours really hurt. As many of them the tumours really hurt. As many of them that the tumours really hurt. As many of them that turn up, ive got to boost up them that turn up, ive got to boost up on them that turn up, ive got to boost up on my them that turn up, ive got to boost up on my medication. What medication are ou on, up on my medication. What medication are you on. Things up on my medication. What medication are you on, things like up on my medication. What medication are you on, things like morphine . Are you on, things like morphine7 about four different types of morphine. Different types where they last different. Like, one of them lasts last different. Like, one of them lasts 12 last different. Like, one of them lasts 12 hours, but its not so strong, lasts 12 hours, but its not so strong, and then i got another ones that last strong, and then i got another ones that last four hours but they are very that last four hours but they are very strong. So it takes the edge of the pain very strong. So it takes the edge of the pain i very strong. So it takes the edge of the pain i go through. But at the moment, the pain i go through. But at the moment, i the pain i go through. But at the moment, i can function as a human being moment, i can function as a human being and moment, i can function as a human being. And thats the thing. I dont want being. And thats the thing. I dont want to being. And thats the thing. I dont want to be being. And thats the thing. I dont want to be at the point where i cant want to be at the point where i cant function as a human being. If i cant function as a human being. If i get cant function as a human being. If i get to cant function as a human being. If i get to the cant function as a human being. If i get to the point where i cant do anything. I get to the point where i cant do anything, and imjust a burden, and im anything, and imjust a burden, and lm literally anything, and imjust a burden, and lm literally a anything, and imjust a burden, and im literally a vegetable in front of my im literally a vegetable in front of my familys eyes, i would want somebody of my familys eyes, i would want somebody to put me out of my misery. Have you somebody to put me out of my misery. Have you said somebody to put me out of my misery. Have you said that your family, jeff7 have you said that your family, jeff . ,. , � have you said that your family, jeff . ,. �. � jeff . No, i havent. I havent really said jeff . No, i havent. I havent really said that jeff . No, i havent. I havent really said that in jeff . No, i havent. I havent really said that in my jeff . No, i havent. I haventi really said that in my family, because really said that in my family, because i really said that in my family, because i wouldnt want to put them under because i wouldnt want to put them under that because i wouldnt want to put them under that pressure. At the end of the day, under that pressure. At the end of the day, if under that pressure. At the end of the day, if you do something, for instance the day, if you do something, for instance youve got to go through all the instance youve got to go through all the courts and Everything Else afterwards, because you are getting accused afterwards, because you are getting accused of afterwards, because you are getting accused of doing this and Everything Else, accused of doing this and Everything Else i accused of doing this and Everything Else, i wouldnt want to put my else, iwouldnt want to put my family else, i wouldnt want to put my family through that. They have already family through that. They have already seen me down. Now they have ot already seen me down. Now they have got to already seen me down. Now they have got to go already seen me down. Now they have got to go through the courts, because got to go through the courts, because one of them has put me out of my because one of them has put me out of my misery. So because one of them has put me out of my misery because one of them has put me out of my misery. So they should make it tossible . Of my misery. So they should make it possible . Could of my misery. So they should make it possible . Could you of my misery. So they should make it possible . Could you imagine of my misery. So they should make it possible . Could you imagine saying i possible7 could you imagine saying to somebody if you are desperately racked with pain and felt absolutely helpless, without hope, could you imagine saying to somebody you love, help me . Imagine saying to somebody you love, hel me . , �. Imagine saying to somebody you love, hel me . , v. , imagine saying to somebody you love, hel me . � ,. , imagine saying to somebody you love, hel me . � ,. ,. , help me . Thats a good question, nick. Help me . Thats a good question, nick what help me . Thats a good question, nick what i help me . Thats a good question, nick. What i would help me . Thats a good question, nick. What i would say help me . Thats a good question, nick. What i would say to help me . Thats a good question, nick. What i would say to you, i help me . Thats a good question, i nick. What i would say to you, mate, i nick. What i would say to you, mate, lwouldnt nick. What i would say to you, mate, i wouldnt know until i got to that point i wouldnt know until i got to that toint. , �. I wouldnt know until i got to that toint. � ,. ,. , point. Thats the answer i had in mind as well, point. Thats the answer i had in mind as well, jeff. Point. Thats the answer i had in mind as well, jeff. Such point. Thats the answer i had in mind as well, jeff. Such an mind as well, jeff. Such an important call, jeff. Are you listening to geoff, gemma7 im sorry to have kept you, an extraordinary call from jeff, extraordinarily brave ofjeff to come on, and so thought provoking. Acknowledging the dilemma, acknowledging the problem. What is your reaction, gemma7 l what is your reaction, gemma . I guess i am coming at it from a what is your reaction, gemma . L guess i am coming at it from a very different perspective, so, i am a carerfor my different perspective, so, i am a carer for my disabled son, but i also work in the sector after my sister was murdered. What concerns me is that we already have a historical high of domestic homicide in the uk. Im obvious we not saying that david was a perpetrator of domestic abuse, but my concern is that people who are determined to do Something Like that will use any loophole they can. We lose three women a week, but ten women a week if we include assisted suicide by domestic abusers. My concern is the safeguarding around that. We already dont take it seriously enough. And i worry about how that is taken advantage of. As a carer, to be honest, i think the solution may be that we help people who are carers, and they have hardly any money, they are on benefits. Are on benefits. Which is exactly the debate are on benefits. Which is exactly the debate we are on benefits. Which is exactly the debate we were are on benefits. Which is exactly the debate we were going are on benefits. Which is exactly the debate we were going to are on benefits. Which is exactlyl the debate we were going to help before the news broke, and one that we will have again. Jeff, are you still with us . Are you still on the line . We have lost him. Lindsay, we are going to bring you in. We havent got a lot of time, i want to put this to you, i just want to put this to you, i know that you think that the law must change, and its gemmas point there, being that we have to have such strong safeguards to make sure that nobody, for the reasons gemma was laying out, does. Yes, carry on. Late reasons gemma was laying out, does. Yes, carry on. Reasons gemma was laying out, does. Yes, carry on. We have the safeguarding does. Yes, carry on. We have the safeguarding under does. Yes, carry on. We have the safeguarding under the does. Yes, carry on. We have the safeguarding under the mental does. Yes, carry on. We have the i safeguarding under the Mental Health act, as a therapist, i started when women were consigned to mental institutes because they had illegitimate children in the 80s and they had been there for years. We have moved on. If we safeguard people with Mental Health issues, i am concerned we are only focusing, quite rightly so, and people in pain, and where it is a terminal condition. But the vast majority of people who actually, the human spirit, it wants them to live, they want to live, but the vast majority, in the 36 or 37 years i have seen this as an occupational therapist, they want to live. But what i worry is, if they have a progressive condition, is the day that they cant open their eyes and say i dont want to live, they have no capacity to end their life with their loved ones around them. So it is an emotional their loved ones around them. So it is an emotional insurance policy . Yes, most people who go to switzerland never take up that option, they never take it up. Just knowint option, they never take it up. Just knowing the option, they never take it up. Just knowing the possibilities . Yes. If| knowing the possibilities . Yes. If tomorrow you knowing the possibilities . Yes. If tomorrow you were knowing the possibilities . Yes. If tomorrow you were told knowing the possibilities . Yes. If tomorrow you were told that knowing the possibilities . Yes. If. Tomorrow you were told that every day you would lose more, i think it is amazing, the human spirit, ive seen that over all the years ive worked. But some people cant. My father included, 30 years ago, he could not cope with that. Father included, 30 years ago, he could not cope with that. Thank you very much could not cope with that. Thank you very much we could not cope with that. Thank you very much. We are could not cope with that. Thank you very much. We are out could not cope with that. Thank you very much. We are out of could not cope with that. Thank you very much. We are out of time. Live from london. This is bbc news. The uk government confirms hundreds of new licenses will be granted to drill for oil and gas in the north sea. A british man who killed his seriously ill wife at their home in cyprus is released from custody. I cant describe it. Im sorry. I wish i could, i wish i could find words to describe it. I cant. The death toll from sundays Suicide Bombing in North West Pakistan climbs to 45. Hello, iam hello, i am gareth barlow. We start with a new row over fossils fuels and renewable energy. Downing street has confirmed that hundreds of new licenses will be granted to drill for oil and gas in the north sea. The Prime Minister says the move is vital to bolster Energy Security. Rishi sunak has also announced significant funding for two new Carbon Capture and storage projects, including the first in scotland. Campaigners have sharply criticised the new drilling licenses saying they demonstrate a short sighted and selfish approach to Climate Change. This is what mr sunak had to say about todays announcements, when he spoke to bbc radio scotland a little earlier. No, what this is about is strengthening our Energy Security for the whole of the united kingdom. I think we have seen over the last year, the impact of putins war, we dont want to be in hock to dictators like that when it comes to oui energy. And an important part of guarding against that is investing in our north sea, and that is what todays announcement is about,