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newsnight programme. which means he is up when the uk sleeps making sure national news in the us as well reported in the uk is sleeping his probably find a felt stories here to, so he never rests. sunday was commonwealth day — the annual celebration of an institution created to maintain links which in the past were the result of exploration, colonisation and conquest. queen elizabeth, its head since august 1952, may see it as proof that empire has given way to equality. yet hours later, harry her grandson and his wife meghan, were — in that much—trailed tv interview — describing the british monarchy as an institution where there were "concerns and conversations about how dark" their unborn baby's skin might be. harry said racism — in the country, the media and the palace — was a "large part" of why the couple have left the uk for good. this is clearly damaging to the families involved but how damaging is it to the institution? it is families involved but how damaging is it to the institution?— is it to the institution? it is no difference _ is it to the institution? it is no difference between _ is it to the institution? it is no difference between a - is it to the institution? it is no difference between a family i is it to the institution? it is no difference between a family in is it to the institution? it is no - difference between a family in the institution because the only point of the institution is to breed and reproduce and produce the next monarch, it really has no other function, and everything that happens in the family is political because their political figures in a public family, and the accusation of racism coming right now when the whole world is far more sensitised after the black lives matter movement and has been very powerful here and made all sorts of organisations look at themselves that end, it is an absolute tragedy that end, it is an absolute tragedy that one of the chances of the monarchy to modernise itself was the arrival of harry and meghan together as, you know, a multiracial couple with a whole new breath of fresh air, if you like, into the royal family. i think this is done then terrible harm but they have let them go and do nothing to hold onto them and we are, anyway going to be in a crisis of the monarchy. the queen can't live, she will die sometime in the next decade, and the transition to the rather unpopular prince charles, i think will make a whole lot of people think again, and possibly the monarchy is quietly coming to its close and maybe she will be a lizard lot of people think again, and possibly the monarchy is quietly coming to its clothes and maybe she will be elizabeth the last. ., , ., , last. now there is an interesting challenging _ last. now there is an interesting challenging statement _ last. now there is an interesting challenging statement to - last. now there is an interesting challenging statement to offer. | challenging statement to offer. henry, the sussex is live in california, which effectively is in your beat on the la times. you are also a former variety magazine correspondent and you know quite a lot about the celebrity culture on the west coast. i wonder whether this interview has helped or hindered their prospects of achieving what they say they want to achieve, which is a new life for their immediate family away from the royals. their immediate family away from the r0 als. ~ ., �* ~' , royals. well, i don't think they will ever be _ royals. well, i don't think they will ever be out _ royals. well, i don't think they will ever be out of— royals. well, i don't think they will ever be out of the - royals. well, i don't think they l will ever be out of the limelight. this is_ will ever be out of the limelight. this is still— will ever be out of the limelight. this is still a prince of the realm here _ this is still a prince of the realm here in— this is still a prince of the realm here in britain, and she was an herein britain, and she was an actress— here in britain, and she was an actress before they married and so was already used to being in the spotlight — was already used to being in the spotlight as well. they are always going _ spotlight as well. they are always going to _ spotlight as well. they are always going to be hounded by the press to a certain_ going to be hounded by the press to a certain degree and people will always— a certain degree and people will always be interested in what they do. always be interested in what they lie they — always be interested in what they do. they can have a more normal life, _ do. they can have a more normal life. quote — do. they can have a more normal life, quote on quote normal, away from _ life, quote on quote normal, away from some — life, quote on quote normal, away from some of the british tabloids in terms _ from some of the british tabloids in terms of— from some of the british tabloids in terms of being constantly followed in their_ terms of being constantly followed in their activities as royals. i think— in their activities as royals. i think that _ in their activities as royals. i think that is something they will find to— think that is something they will find to he — think that is something they will find to be a breath of fresh air. meghan— find to be a breath of fresh air. meghan was already use a celebrity culture _ meghan was already use a celebrity culture as _ meghan was already use a celebrity culture as you say because she is an actress— culture as you say because she is an actress hy— culture as you say because she is an actress by training and already went to the _ actress by training and already went to the hollywood experience and how he has _ to the hollywood experience and how he has also _ to the hollywood experience and how he has also been in the limelight since _ he has also been in the limelight since it— he has also been in the limelight since it was a small child —— harry has also _ since it was a small child —— harry has also been in the limelight sol don't _ has also been in the limelight sol don't think— has also been in the limelight sol don't think that has been a novelty to them _ don't think that has been a novelty to them but was simply the treatment they received as a couple and once they received as a couple and once they were — they received as a couple and once they were fully out as royals performing royal duties. ithink, as they said. — performing royal duties. ithink, as they said, with this interview particularly now behind them they are going — particularly now behind them they are going to be generating headlines, i think, are going to be generating headlines, ithink, forweeks are going to be generating headlines, i think, for weeks and perhaps— headlines, i think, for weeks and perhaps years to come. i wonder, thou~h, perhaps years to come. i wonder, though. if— perhaps years to come. i wonder, though, if there _ perhaps years to come. i wonder, though, if there is _ perhaps years to come. i wonder, though, if there is a _ perhaps years to come. i wonder, though, if there is a difficulty - though, if there is a difficulty here because in a sense of future prospects and only potential depends on maintaining their celebrity and their opportunities to be talking points, yet that goes exactly against everything they said they desire, which is privacy, something close to a normal life, whatever the normal life is for a high—profile international celebrity couple, but something which doesn't involve this constant negativity which they associate with particularly the tabloid press in the uk, even going so far is meghan suggesting that there was an unhealthy mutual dependency between the royal family in the uk and the media, i kind of mutual contempt was a mutual need as well. i mean, in a sense they are trapped in this, aren't they? timer;r trapped in this, aren't they? they are, and trapped in this, aren't they? they are. and the _ trapped in this, aren't they? they are, and the royal— trapped in this, aren't they? they are, and the royal family - trapped in this, aren't they? tie: are, and the royal family is and trapped in this, aren't they? ti21. are, and the royal family is and of are, and the royalfamily is and of course the royalfamily are, and the royalfamily is and of course the royal family does hate the press but they rely on the press. they are there to be figureheads and if you're a figure head you have got to be in public. i think ever since rupert murdoch arrived here the gloves were off in terms of how the tabloid street the vial. up until then, there was a measure of respect and he just threw that away and said we willjust go to every lowdown bit of gossip we confine. —— gloves were off in terms of how the tabloids treat the royals. but the royals have to have a relationship that press. some sort of trading to score all the time, we can have this picture, we will give you that, if you leave us alone here, but, you know, celebrity is what royalty is. i think you have your meghan the story might be different and in a fine of five or ten years time nobody is much interested in them longer and if they are no longer plugged into the bile to become like the poor old duke and duchess of windsor, the tide in paris, not quite enough money, every bit of a miserable and absolutely not in the public eye and they may not like that either. that reference of _ they may not like that either. that reference of the _ they may not like that either. that reference of the duke and duchess of windsor he was briefly the king but insisted on marrying an american divorcee and had to give up that crown and went into effectively exiled. i mean, that was all 70 years ago. one might assume that in some sense a country like the uk might have thought it had moved quite a long way forward in 70 years. the question of the specs, doesn't it, is what is the british monarchy for?— doesn't it, is what is the british monarchy for? well, it provides constitutional _ monarchy for? well, it provides constitutional continuity. - monarchy for? well, it provides constitutional continuity. as - monarchy for? well, it provides constitutional continuity. as we | constitutional continuity. as we know, _ constitutional continuity. as we know. even _ constitutional continuity. as we know, even notwithstanding. constitutional continuity. as we | know, even notwithstanding the effects — know, even notwithstanding the effects of— know, even notwithstanding the effects of the _ know, even notwithstanding the effects of the last _ know, even notwithstanding the effects of the last two _ know, even notwithstanding the effects of the last two weeks, . know, even notwithstanding the . effects of the last two weeks, still immensely— effects of the last two weeks, still immensely popular— effects of the last two weeks, still immensely popular when - effects of the last two weeks, still immensely popular when you - effects of the last two weeks, still immensely popular when you do l immensely popular when you do polling _ immensely popular when you do polling on— immensely popular when you do polling on it _ immensely popular when you do polling on it i_ immensely popular when you do polling on it. i mean, _ immensely popular when you do polling on it. i mean, ratings- immensely popular when you do polling on it. i mean, ratings ofi polling on it. i mean, ratings of anything — polling on it. i mean, ratings of anything between _ polling on it. i mean, ratings of anything between 60 _ polling on it. i mean, ratings of anything between 60 and - polling on it. i mean, ratings of anything between 60 and 80%| polling on it. i mean, ratings of. anything between 60 and 80% of polling on it. i mean, ratings of- anything between 60 and 80% of the populatl°“_ anything between 60 and 80% of the imputation say— anything between 60 and 80% of the imputation say they _ anything between 60 and 80% of the population say they support - anything between 60 and 80% of the population say they support it, - anything between 60 and 80% of the population say they support it, so . population say they support it, so in a sense — population say they support it, so in a sense it — population say they support it, so in a sense it has _ population say they support it, so in a sense it has that _ population say they support it, so in a sense it has that figurehead i in a sense it has that figurehead role, _ in a sense it has that figurehead role, it— in a sense it has that figurehead role, it has— in a sense it has that figurehead role, it has a _ in a sense it has that figurehead role, it has a constitutional- in a sense it has that figurehead role, it has a constitutional role| role, it has a constitutional role at certain — role, it has a constitutional role at certain times, _ role, it has a constitutional role at certain times, change - role, it has a constitutional role at certain times, change of- role, it has a constitutional role i at certain times, change of power, and it— at certain times, change of power, and it is— at certain times, change of power, and it is a — at certain times, change of power, and it is a necessary— at certain times, change of power, and it is a necessary thing - at certain times, change of power, and it is a necessary thing in- at certain times, change of power, and it is a necessary thing in that i and it is a necessary thing in that sense _ and it is a necessary thing in that sense now. _ and it is a necessary thing in that sense now. of— and it is a necessary thing in that sense. now, of course, - and it is a necessary thing in that i sense. now, of course, republicans will save— sense. now, of course, republicans will save you — sense. now, of course, republicans will save you can _ sense. now, of course, republicans will save you can do _ sense. now, of course, republicans will save you can do that _ sense. now, of course, republicans will save you can do that with - sense. now, of course, republicans will save you can do that with otherl will save you can do that with other things— will save you can do that with other things and — will save you can do that with other things and have _ will save you can do that with other things and have an _ will save you can do that with other things and have an elected - will save you can do that with other. things and have an elected president or get— things and have an elected president or get around — things and have an elected president or get around that _ things and have an elected president or get around that in _ things and have an elected president or get around that in various - things and have an elected president or get around that in various ways i or get around that in various ways but it— or get around that in various ways but it is— or get around that in various ways but it is also— or get around that in various ways but it is also a _ or get around that in various ways but it is also a potent _ or get around that in various ways but it is also a potent national- but it is also a potent national symbol, — but it is also a potent national symbol, isn't— but it is also a potent national symbol, isn't it? _ but it is also a potent national symbol, isn't it? i— but it is also a potent national symbol, isn't it? i mean, - but it is also a potent national symbol, isn't it? i mean, i- but it is also a potent national- symbol, isn't it? i mean, i noticed some— symbol, isn't it? i mean, i noticed some of— symbol, isn't it? i mean, i noticed some of the — symbol, isn't it? i mean, i noticed some of the polling _ symbol, isn't it? i mean, i noticed some of the polling that _ symbol, isn't it? i mean, i noticed some of the polling that we - symbol, isn't it? i mean, i noticed some of the polling that we have i some of the polling that we have seen _ some of the polling that we have seen post—interview— some of the polling that we have seen post—interview was - some of the polling that we have seen post—interview was about . some of the polling that we have - seen post—interview was about simply for meghan— seen post—interview was about simply for meghan hut— seen post—interview was about simply for meghan but and _ seen post—interview was about simply for meghan but and have _ seen post—interview was about simply for meghan but and have a _ seen post—interview was about simply for meghan but and have a but - seen post—interview was about simply for meghan but and have a but i - for meghan but and have a but i think— for meghan but and have a but i think that — for meghan but and have a but i think that was _ for meghan but and have a but i think that was slightly— for meghan but and have a but ij think that was slightly confusing the issue — think that was slightly confusing the issue because _ think that was slightly confusing the issue because of— think that was slightly confusing the issue because of course - think that was slightly confusing i the issue because of course there will he _ the issue because of course there will be some _ the issue because of course there will be some ardent _ the issue because of course there will be some ardent republicansl the issue because of course there . will be some ardent republicans who have no— will be some ardent republicans who have no sympathy— will be some ardent republicans who have no sympathy for _ will be some ardent republicans who have no sympathy for her _ will be some ardent republicans who have no sympathy for her and - will be some ardent republicans who| have no sympathy for her and equally there will— have no sympathy for her and equally there will he — have no sympathy for her and equally there will be people _ have no sympathy for her and equally there will be people who _ have no sympathy for her and equally there will be people who are - have no sympathy for her and equally there will be people who are quite . there will be people who are quite sympathetic — there will be people who are quite sympathetic to _ there will be people who are quite sympathetic to the _ there will be people who are quite sympathetic to the monarchy- there will be people who are quite j sympathetic to the monarchy after all of _ sympathetic to the monarchy after all of this— sympathetic to the monarchy after all of this so — sympathetic to the monarchy after all of this so i_ sympathetic to the monarchy after all of this so i think— sympathetic to the monarchy after all of this so i think it— sympathetic to the monarchy after all of this so i think it is— sympathetic to the monarchy after all of this so i think it is quite - all of this so i think it is quite hard — all of this so i think it is quite hard to— all of this so i think it is quite hard to judge _ all of this so i think it is quite hard tojudge how— all of this so i think it is quite hard tojudge how much- all of this so i think it is quite i hard tojudge how much damage all of this so i think it is quite - hard tojudge how much damage it has actually— hard tojudge how much damage it has actually done — hard tojudge how much damage it has actually done to — hard tojudge how much damage it has actually done to the _ hard tojudge how much damage it has actually done to the institution - hard tojudge how much damage it has actually done to the institution and - actually done to the institution and in the _ actually done to the institution and in the commonwealth _ actually done to the institution and in the commonwealth context, - actually done to the institution andj in the commonwealth context, you know, _ in the commonwealth context, you know. everybody— in the commonwealth context, you know, everybody expects - in the commonwealth context, you know, everybody expects there - in the commonwealth context, you know, everybody expects there toi in the commonwealth context, you l know, everybody expects there to be a bi- know, everybody expects there to be a big moment, — know, everybody expects there to be a big moment, a _ know, everybody expects there to be a big moment, a big— know, everybody expects there to be a big moment, a big intake - know, everybody expects there to be a big moment, a big intake of- know, everybody expects there to be a big moment, a big intake of breathj a big moment, a big intake of breath when _ a big moment, a big intake of breath when the _ a big moment, a big intake of breath when the current _ a big moment, a big intake of breath when the current queen _ a big moment, a big intake of breath when the current queen passes - a big moment, a big intake of breath when the current queen passes from| when the current queen passes from the scene, _ when the current queen passes from the scene, but. _ when the current queen passes from the scene, but, you _ when the current queen passes from the scene, but, you know, _ when the current queen passes from the scene, but, you know, how- when the current queen passes from the scene, but, you know, how does that play— the scene, but, you know, how does that play out — the scene, but, you know, how does that play out and _ the scene, but, you know, how does that play out and does _ the scene, but, you know, how does that play out and does this - that play out and does this interview— that play out and does this interview and _ that play out and does this interview and does - that play out and does this interview and does the - that play out and does this - interview and does the continuing prospect— interview and does the continuing prospect of— interview and does the continuing prospect of skirmishes _ interview and does the continuing prospect of skirmishes between l interview and does the continuing - prospect of skirmishes between harry and meghan— prospect of skirmishes between harry and meghan and— prospect of skirmishes between harry and meghan and the _ prospect of skirmishes between harry and meghan and the palace _ prospect of skirmishes between harry and meghan and the palace further. and meghan and the palace further undermine — and meghan and the palace further undermine the _ and meghan and the palace further undermine the possibility - and meghan and the palace further undermine the possibility of - and meghan and the palace further undermine the possibility of prince| undermine the possibility of prince chartes— undermine the possibility of prince charles taking _ undermine the possibility of prince charles taking over— undermine the possibility of prince charles taking over the _ undermine the possibility of prince - charles taking over the commonwealth in a smooth _ charles taking over the commonwealth in a smooth and — charles taking over the commonwealth in a smooth and easy— charles taking over the commonwealth in a smooth and easy transition? - charles taking over the commonwealth in a smooth and easy transition? so i in a smooth and easy transition? so there _ in a smooth and easy transition? so there are _ in a smooth and easy transition? so there are some _ in a smooth and easy transition? so there are some big _ in a smooth and easy transition? so there are some big questions - in a smooth and easy transition? so there are some big questions for. in a smooth and easy transition? sol there are some big questions for the future _ there are some big questions for the future i_ there are some big questions for the future ithink— there are some big questions for the future. i think in _ there are some big questions for the future. i think in a _ there are some big questions for the future. i think in a commonwealth . future. i think in a commonwealth context— future. i think in a commonwealth context we — future. i think in a commonwealth context we just _ future. i think in a commonwealth context we just don't _ future. i think in a commonwealth context we just don't know- future. i think in a commonwealth context we just don't know how i future. i think in a commonwealth i context we just don't know how much this assault _ context we just don't know how much this assault of — context we just don't know how much this assault of the _ context we just don't know how much this assault of the parameters. - context we just don't know how much this assault of the parameters. me i this assault of the parameters. we 'ust this assault of the parameters. just don't know and it is very interesting you mention the commonwealth because a former australian prime minister was saying this week that he had premieres, previously campaigned for up the public and there are a lot of us who are elizabethans in australia which doesn't nearly make us monarchist which picks up on the point you are making poly thatjust conceivably queen elizabeth ii night will be at least the last monarchy was head of state and other countries, if not in our own. the dots, thank you very much. that's mac for that, thank you very much. now to a woman detained by the islamic republic of iran, perhaps because of something that happened when the country was still a monarchy and a shah sat on the peacock throne. last weekend, nazanin zaghari—ratcliffe, a british—iranian dual national, completed a five—year sentence for spying. 0ff came the ankle tag that ensured she didn't leave her parents home, in came the news that she must attend court again this sunday to face another charge. in a phone call, borisjohnson told president hassan rouhani that mrs zaghari—ratciffe's treatment was "completely unacceptable". she should be allowed to return to the uk, to her husband and six—year—old daughter. bizarrely, this seems to have something to do with the steal dating back the best part of half a century and why?— century and why? these weapons ordered by _ century and why? these weapons ordered by the — century and why? these weapons ordered by the share _ century and why? these weapons ordered by the share of _ century and why? these weapons ordered by the share of the - century and why? these weapons ordered by the share of the otherj ordered by the share of the other hand _ ordered by the share of the other hand before _ ordered by the share of the other hand before he _ ordered by the share of the other hand before he was _ ordered by the share of the other hand before he was deposed - ordered by the share of the other hand before he was deposed and| ordered by the share of the other. hand before he was deposed and a ordered by the share of the other- hand before he was deposed and a lot of money— hand before he was deposed and a lot of money was — hand before he was deposed and a lot of money was paid _ hand before he was deposed and a lot of money was paid ever, _ hand before he was deposed and a lot of money was paid ever, hundreds- hand before he was deposed and a lot of money was paid ever, hundreds ofi of money was paid ever, hundreds of millions— of money was paid ever, hundreds of millions and — of money was paid ever, hundreds of millions and the _ of money was paid ever, hundreds of millions and the weapons _ of money was paid ever, hundreds of millions and the weapons were - of money was paid ever, hundreds ofj millions and the weapons were never delivered _ millions and the weapons were never delivered because _ millions and the weapons were never delivered because when _ millions and the weapons were never delivered because when the - millions and the weapons were never delivered because when the shah - millions and the weapons were never delivered because when the shah fell and began _ delivered because when the shah fell and began to— delivered because when the shah fell and began to change, _ delivered because when the shah fell and began to change, iran _ delivered because when the shah fell and began to change, iran attacks . and began to change, iran attacks iran, _ and began to change, iran attacks tram became— and began to change, iran attacks iran, became embroiled - and began to change, iran attacks iran, became embroiled in- and began to change, iran attacks iran, became embroiled in a - and began to change, iran attacks iran, became embroiled in a war, | iran, became embroiled in a war, tanks _ iran, became embroiled in a war, tanks in— iran, became embroiled in a war, tanks inthe— iran, became embroiled in a war, tanks in the course _ iran, became embroiled in a war, tanks in the course of— iran, became embroiled in a war, tanks in the course of the - iran, became embroiled in a war, tanks in the course of the war, i iran, became embroiled in a war, i tanks in the course of the war, and iran tanks in the course of the war, and iran did— tanks in the course of the war, and iran did have— tanks in the course of the war, and iran did have a— tanks in the course of the war, and iran did have a lot _ tanks in the course of the war, and iran did have a lot of— tanks in the course of the war, and iran did have a lot of british- tanks in the course of the war, and iran did have a lot of british madel iran did have a lot of british made weapons — iran did have a lot of british made weapons and _ iran did have a lot of british made weapons and that _ iran did have a lot of british made weapons and that more _ iran did have a lot of british made weapons and that more but - iran did have a lot of british made. weapons and that more but anyway once they _ weapons and that more but anyway once they were _ weapons and that more but anyway once they were belligerent - weapons and that more but anyway once they were belligerent there i weapons and that more but anyway. once they were belligerent there was a un arms _ once they were belligerent there was a un arms embargo _ once they were belligerent there was a un arms embargo so _ once they were belligerent there was a un arms embargo so the _ once they were belligerent there was a un arms embargo so the un - once they were belligerent there was . a un arms embargo so the un couldn't deliver— a un arms embargo so the un couldn't deliver the _ a un arms embargo so the un couldn't deliver the tanks— a un arms embargo so the un couldn't deliver the tanks even _ a un arms embargo so the un couldn't deliver the tanks even if— a un arms embargo so the un couldn't deliver the tanks even if it _ a un arms embargo so the un couldn't deliver the tanks even if it had - deliver the tanks even if it had wanted — deliver the tanks even if it had wanted to— deliver the tanks even if it had wanted to and _ deliver the tanks even if it had wanted to and the _ deliver the tanks even if it had wanted to and the whole - deliver the tanks even if it had wanted to and the whole thingj deliver the tanks even if it had - wanted to and the whole thing has stretched — wanted to and the whole thing has stretched on— and of course more recently there have _ and of course more recently there have been— and of course more recently there have been other— and of course more recently there have been other forms _ and of course more recently there have been other forms of- and of course more recently there. have been other forms of sanctions against _ have been other forms of sanctions against iran— have been other forms of sanctions against iran so— have been other forms of sanctions against iran so from _ have been other forms of sanctions against iran so from an _ have been other forms of sanctions against iran so from an evasion - have been other forms of sanctions against iran so from an evasion in i against iran so from an evasion in perspective — against iran so from an evasion in perspective getting _ against iran so from an evasion in perspective getting this _ against iran so from an evasion in perspective getting this money. against iran so from an evasion in perspective getting this money is| perspective getting this money is both a _ perspective getting this money is both a matter— perspective getting this money is both a matter of _ perspective getting this money is both a matter of honour- perspective getting this money is both a matter of honour and - both a matter of honour and practical— both a matter of honour and practical importance. - both a matter of honour and practical importance. it - both a matter of honour and practical importance. it is i both a matter of honour and practical importance. it is a i both a matter of honour and . practical importance. it is a lot both a matter of honour and - practical importance. it is a lot of money _ practical importance. it is a lot of money. they— practical importance. it is a lot of money. they want _ practical importance. it is a lot of money. they want to _ practical importance. it is a lot of money. they want to be - practical importance. it is a lot of money. they want to be able - practical importance. it is a lot of money. they want to be able to i practical importance. it is a lot of. money. they want to be able to use it. money. they want to be able to use it now. _ money. they want to be able to use it. now, fascinatingly, _ money. they want to be able to use it. now, fascinatingly, when- money. they want to be able to use it. now, fascinatingly, when boris. it. now, fascinatingly, when boris johnson _ it. now, fascinatingly, when boris johnson had — it. now, fascinatingly, when boris johnson had that _ it. now, fascinatingly, when boris johnson had that conversation - it. now, fascinatingly, when borisl johnson had that conversation with the president— johnson had that conversation with the president on— johnson had that conversation with the president on wednesday, - johnson had that conversation with the president on wednesday, of. the president on wednesday, of course — the president on wednesday, of course the — the president on wednesday, of course the downing _ the president on wednesday, of course the downing street - the president on wednesday, of. course the downing street readout emphasised — course the downing street readout emphasised the _ course the downing street readout emphasised the immediate - course the downing street readouti emphasised the immediate freeing course the downing street readout i emphasised the immediate freeing of nas is _ emphasised the immediate freeing of nas is nazanin — emphasised the immediate freeing of nas is nazanin zaghari—ratcliffe - emphasised the immediate freeing of nas is nazanin zaghari—ratcliffe and| nas is nazanin zaghari—ratcliffe and other dual_ nas is nazanin zaghari—ratcliffe and other dual nationals _ nas is nazanin zaghari—ratcliffe and other dual nationals being _ nas is nazanin zaghari—ratcliffe and other dual nationals being held, - other dual nationals being held, apparently, _ other dual nationals being held, apparently. it— other dual nationals being held, apparently, it seems _ other dual nationals being held, apparently, it seems as - other dual nationals being held, apparently, it seems as a - other dual nationals being held, apparently, it seems as a form. other dual nationals being held, i apparently, it seems as a form of hostage _ apparently, it seems as a form of hostage and _ apparently, it seems as a form of hostage and the _ apparently, it seems as a form of hostage and the iranian - apparently, it seems as a form of hostage and the iranian readout, | hostage and the iranian readout, fascinatingty. _ hostage and the iranian readout, fascinatingly, towards _ hostage and the iranian readout, fascinatingly, towards the - hostage and the iranian readout, fascinatingly, towards the end i hostage and the iranian readout, fascinatingly, towards the end ofi fascinatingly, towards the end of the version — fascinatingly, towards the end of the version published _ fascinatingly, towards the end of the version published by- fascinatingly, towards the end of the version published by the - fascinatingly, towards the end of. the version published by the islamic repubtic— the version published by the islamic republic news — the version published by the islamic republic news agency _ the version published by the islamic republic news agency mentioned i the version published by the islamic. republic news agency mentioned that borisjohnson — republic news agency mentioned that borisjohnson had _ republic news agency mentioned that borisjohnson had given— republic news agency mentioned that boris johnson had given a _ republic news agency mentioned thati borisjohnson had given a commitment to settle _ borisjohnson had given a commitment to settle this _ borisjohnson had given a commitment to settle this issue _ borisjohnson had given a commitment to settle this issue of _ borisjohnson had given a commitment to settle this issue of the _ borisjohnson had given a commitment to settle this issue of the debt- to settle this issue of the debt over— to settle this issue of the debt over the — to settle this issue of the debt over the weapons. _ to settle this issue of the debt over the weapons. when - to settle this issue of the debt over the weapons. when i - to settle this issue of the deth over the weapons. when i then to settle this issue of the debt- over the weapons. when i then called downing _ over the weapons. when i then called downing street — over the weapons. when i then called downing street said _ over the weapons. when i then called downing street said well, _ over the weapons. when i then called downing street said well, did - over the weapons. when i then called downing street said well, did he, - downing street said well, did he, they said — downing street said well, did he, they said we _ downing street said well, did he, they said we can _ downing street said well, did he, they said we can only _ downing street said well, did he, they said we can only refer- downing street said well, did he, they said we can only refer you i downing street said well, did he, i they said we can only refer you to our readout — they said we can only refer you to our readout of _ they said we can only refer you to our readout of the _ they said we can only refer you to our readout of the conversation, i they said we can only refer you to i our readout of the conversation, so that is— our readout of the conversation, so that is the — our readout of the conversation, so that is the suspicion. _ our readout of the conversation, so that is the suspicion. i— our readout of the conversation, so that is the suspicion. i think- our readout of the conversation, so that is the suspicion. i think it - that is the suspicion. i think it would — that is the suspicion. i think it would be _ that is the suspicion. i think it would be fair— that is the suspicion. i think it would be fair to— that is the suspicion. i think it would be fair to say— that is the suspicion. i think it would be fair to say in- that is the suspicion. i think it. would be fair to say in diplomatic circles— would be fair to say in diplomatic circles that — would be fair to say in diplomatic circles that some _ would be fair to say in diplomatic circles that some form _ would be fair to say in diplomatic circles that some form of- would be fair to say in diplomatic circles that some form of let's i would be fair to say in diplomaticl circles that some form of let's not call it— circles that some form of let's not call it a _ circles that some form of let's not call it a pledge _ circles that some form of let's not call it a pledge but _ circles that some form of let's not call it a pledge but some - circles that some form of let's not call it a pledge but some form - circles that some form of let's not call it a pledge but some form of. call it a pledge but some form of language — call it a pledge but some form of language that _ call it a pledge but some form of language that is _ call it a pledge but some form of language that is comforting - call it a pledge but some form of language that is comforting to i call it a pledge but some form of. language that is comforting to the iranians _ language that is comforting to the iranians i — language that is comforting to the iranians i hope _ language that is comforting to the iranians i hope filled _ language that is comforting to the iranians i hope filled to— language that is comforting to the iranians i hope filled to them - language that is comforting to the iranians i hope filled to them hasi iranians i hope filled to them has been _ iranians i hope filled to them has been used — iranians i hope filled to them has been used in _ iranians i hope filled to them has been used in an— iranians i hope filled to them has been used in an attempt - iranians i hope filled to them has been used in an attempt to - iranians i hope filled to them has been used in an attempt to clear| been used in an attempt to clear this and. — been used in an attempt to clear this and. of— been used in an attempt to clear this and, of course _ been used in an attempt to clear this and, of course sunday's - been used in an attempt to clear. this and, of course sunday's court hearing _ this and, of course sunday's court hearing wayne _ this and, of course sunday's court hearing wayne may _ this and, of course sunday's court hearing wayne may well - this and, of course sunday's court hearing wayne may well be - this and, of course sunday's court hearing wayne may well be the i this and, of course sunday's court l hearing wayne may well be the first indication _ hearing wayne may well be the first indication we — hearing wayne may well be the first indication we have _ hearing wayne may well be the first indication we have as _ hearing wayne may well be the first indication we have as to _ hearing wayne may well be the first indication we have as to whether. hearing wayne may well be the first indication we have as to whether or| indication we have as to whether or not that— indication we have as to whether or not that has— indication we have as to whether or not that has done _ indication we have as to whether or not that has done the _ indication we have as to whether or not that has done the trick. - indication we have as to whether or not that has done the trick. the - not that has done the trick. the complicated _ not that has done the trick. complicated issue here is of not that has done the trick.- complicated issue here is of course relations between western countries including the un, uk and a van and thena very including the un, uk and a van and then a very difficult. we have a nuclear deal which limited controls and certainly the timetable under which iran could develop a nuclear weapon, donald trump walked out of that, joe biden has walked in, there is an expectation that that might improve relations but there is a problem here, isn't there because the sanctions that have been tightened and tightened entitlement under successive us presidents make it almost impossible at the moment to lawfully transfer that money even if, as mac was suggesting, the british government might want to. yes, president biden says he wants to return _ yes, president biden says he wants to return to— yes, president biden says he wants to return to the nuclear call but he is prevented from making any quick steps _ is prevented from making any quick steps in _ is prevented from making any quick steps in terms of loosening the sanctions — steps in terms of loosening the sanctions bowed by congress injust the political situation at the moment and iran for its part is also taking _ moment and iran for its part is also taking a _ moment and iran for its part is also taking a fairly hard line publicly about _ taking a fairly hard line publicly about the us having broken its commitment to the accord before needing _ commitment to the accord before needing to come back to the table humbly— needing to come back to the table humbly first before they themselves will go _ humbly first before they themselves will go at _ humbly first before they themselves will go at tobogganing. now, i think a lot of— will go at tobogganing. now, i think a lot of that is posturing. we will see all— a lot of that is posturing. we will see all we — a lot of that is posturing. we will see all we will hear soon enough, i think. _ see all we will hear soon enough, i think. about — see all we will hear soon enough, i think, about behind—the—scenes manoeuvring between the two sides to try to get _ manoeuvring between the two sides to try to get back to the table to work out some _ try to get back to the table to work out some way that the us can indeed re-enter_ out some way that the us can indeed re—enter that accord and both sides can save _ re—enter that accord and both sides can save face to a certain degree. this issue — can save face to a certain degree. this issue of— can save face to a certain degree. this issue of paying that money, although— this issue of paying that money, although it might be held for logistical practical reasons, certainly has that political and perhaps — certainly has that political and perhaps a lot moral component that you refer— perhaps a lot moral component that you refer to— perhaps a lot moral component that you refer to before in terms of whether— you refer to before in terms of whether this could look like some kind of— whether this could look like some kind of ransom or, you know, paying four hostages being held. actually, the us— four hostages being held. actually, the us has form on this because about— the us has form on this because about five — the us has form on this because about five years ago the 0bama in administration paid, i think it was about— administration paid, i think it was about $17 — administration paid, i think it was about $1.7 billion to a van for exactly— about $1.7 billion to a van for exactly the same thing, for deals that were — exactly the same thing, for deals that were struck with the shah that were not— that were struck with the shah that were not carried to fruition and that— were not carried to fruition and that was— were not carried to fruition and that was decided by a tribunal that the us— that was decided by a tribunal that the us owed this money to a van and when _ the us owed this money to a van and when that— the us owed this money to a van and when that money was transferred at the end _ when that money was transferred at the end of— when that money was transferred at the end of 2016, interestingly, about— the end of 2016, interestingly, about a — the end of 2016, interestingly, about a quarter of it was held up until— about a quarter of it was held up until a _ about a quarter of it was held up until a plane with us prisoners left the ground from a van and then, lo and behold. — the ground from a van and then, lo and behold, that money suddenly appeared — and behold, that money suddenly appeared in iran's account so this actually— appeared in iran's account so this actually does go on, both sides can insist— actually does go on, both sides can insist that — actually does go on, both sides can insist that there is no connection, indeed _ insist that there is no connection, indeed britain would have political cover— indeed britain would have political cover saying that an international court _ cover saying that an international court has — cover saying that an international court has ordered it to pay this money— court has ordered it to pay this money back, but it is the objects in the perception of it's that can be worrying — the perception of it's that can be worrying in — the perception of it's that can be worrying in terms of whether it would — worrying in terms of whether it would encourage more hostagetaking or using _ would encourage more hostagetaking or using a _ would encourage more hostagetaking or using a businesses bargaining chips _ or using a businesses bargaining chips in — or using a businesses bargaining chips in this way.— or using a businesses bargaining chips in this way. what we shouldn't lose siaht chips in this way. what we shouldn't lose sight of— chips in this way. what we shouldn't lose sight of -- _ chips in this way. what we shouldn't lose sight of -- using _ chips in this way. what we shouldn't lose sight of -- using prisoners - chips in this way. what we shouldn't lose sight of -- using prisoners as l lose sight of —— using prisoners as bargaining chips in this way. what we shouldn't lose sight of it is at the heart of this is a man, woman and a child in the little girl barely seen her mother and as reported by the charity is best able to address are obviously not having direct access to her is mentally on the edge after what she has been through and a husband who has tried to support his daughter, try to support his wife, tried to run an international campaign so that the media and governments doesn't lose touch. this is a family torn apart for political reasons. it is touch. this is a family torn apart for political reasons.— for political reasons. it is an absolute — for political reasons. it is an absolute tragedy. _ for political reasons. it is an absolute tragedy. all - for political reasons. it is an absolute tragedy. all this i for political reasons. it is an l absolute tragedy. all this pain for political reasons. it is an - absolute tragedy. all this pain and i don't think anybody ever seriously thought that she was. her husband has fought a very subtle and clever campaign to keep this in the news, try not to alienate the british government on whom they will depend for this negotiation and, at the same time, making it clear the government could do more. it is a very good thing we no longer have donald trump in the white house and that president biden is clearly wanting to normalise, to some extent, relations with iran, get that back round the table. this is money that we, president 0bama paid that money that he owed so it is not quite like an ordinary hostage situation when it is kind of new money, you are buying someone, it is already on the table. we should pay that money back and she should be returned and let's hope that happens and let's hope there is a calming down of tensions, as one would hope for the best one could hope for with a van in the western countries. i a van in the western countries. i just want to pick up on the point both henry and polly have made and you were referring to was well in a sense this common dilemma, really, i've kind of hostage diplomacy because, let's say for the sake of argument, way is found to release this money in, apparently it has been sitting there waiting to be paid for the best part of 20 years now and we know that the british have said we accept that we are the money. you might wonder whether the shah was terribly bright to have handed the money over the vote he got anything to show for it but that is a historical argument. the practical question is, if that now happens and then by complete coincidence nazanin zaghari—ratcliffe passport is handed back to her and she is able to fly home and be reunited with his family, why won't that do exactly what the british government said it doesn't want to do, which is encouraging future hostagetaking is, if you like to call it, by governments under whatever guise and in order to get some kind of benefit. ~ ., �* , . benefit. well, it won't end it is a tried and tested _ benefit. well, it won't end it is a tried and tested method - benefit. well, it won't end it is a tried and tested method and - benefit. well, it won't end it is a l tried and tested method and even benefit. well, it won't end it is a - tried and tested method and even in circumstances — tried and tested method and even in circumstances where _ tried and tested method and even in circumstances where the _ tried and tested method and even in circumstances where the legal - circumstances where the legal argument _ circumstances where the legal argument has _ circumstances where the legal argument has been _ circumstances where the legal argument has been much - circumstances where the legal argument has been much less| argument has been much less favourable _ argument has been much less favourable to— argument has been much less favourable to iran _ argument has been much less favourable to iran it _ argument has been much less favourable to iran it has- argument has been much less favourable to iran it has actedj argument has been much less. favourable to iran it has acted in this way — favourable to iran it has acted in this way. british _ favourable to iran it has acted in this way. british forces - favourable to iran it has acted in this way. british forces picked . favourable to iran it has acted in| this way. british forces picked up favourable to iran it has acted in. this way. british forces picked up a couple _ this way. british forces picked up a couple of— this way. british forces picked up a couple of leaders _ this way. british forces picked up a couple of leaders of _ this way. british forces picked up a couple of leaders of sheer - this way. british forces picked up a couple of leaders of sheer speciali couple of leaders of sheer special groups— couple of leaders of sheer special groups in— couple of leaders of sheer special groups in irag _ couple of leaders of sheer special groups in irag in— couple of leaders of sheer special groups in iraq in 2007— couple of leaders of sheer special groups in iraq in 2007 and - couple of leaders of sheer special groups in iraq in 2007 and a - couple of leaders of sheer special| groups in iraq in 2007 and a covid operative — groups in iraq in 2007 and a covid operative from _ groups in iraq in 2007 and a covid operative from lebanon _ groups in iraq in 2007 and a covid operative from lebanon who - groups in iraq in 2007 and a covid operative from lebanon who wasi operative from lebanon who was acting _ operative from lebanon who was acting on— operative from lebanon who was acting on behalf— operative from lebanon who was acting on behalf of— operative from lebanon who was acting on behalf of the _ operative from lebanon who was acting on behalf of the iranian i acting on behalf of the iranian government _ acting on behalf of the iranian government. they— acting on behalf of the iranian government. they were - acting on behalf of the iranian government. they were soon| acting on behalf of the iranian - government. they were soon came to hostages — government. they were soon came to hostages taken. — government. they were soon came to hostages taken. you _ government. they were soon came to hostages taken. you will— government. they were soon came to hostages taken. you will remember, i hostages taken. you will remember, initially. _ hostages taken. you will remember, initially. the — hostages taken. you will remember, initially, the sailors— hostages taken. you will remember, initially, the sailors in— hostages taken. you will remember, initially, the sailors in the _ hostages taken. you will remember, initially, the sailors in the gulf- initially, the sailors in the gulf and then— initially, the sailors in the gulf and then following _ initially, the sailors in the gulf and then following that - initially, the sailors in the gulf and then following that after. initially, the sailors in the gulf. and then following that after their release _ and then following that after their release a — and then following that after their release a british _ and then following that after their release a british security - release a british security consultant _ release a british security consultant was _ release a british security consultant was taken - release a british security consultant was taken in. release a british security - consultant was taken in baghdad release a british security _ consultant was taken in baghdad and held hostage — consultant was taken in baghdad and held hostage for— consultant was taken in baghdad and held hostage for years _ consultant was taken in baghdad and held hostage for years in— consultant was taken in baghdad and held hostage for years in an - consultant was taken in baghdad and held hostage for years in an attempt| held hostage for years in an attempt to get— held hostage for years in an attempt to get the _ held hostage for years in an attempt to get the release _ held hostage for years in an attempt to get the release of— held hostage for years in an attempt to get the release of those - held hostage for years in an attempt to get the release of those very - to get the release of those very people — to get the release of those very people who _ to get the release of those very people who the _ to get the release of those very people who the iranians - to get the release of those veryj people who the iranians wanted released — people who the iranians wanted released and _ people who the iranians wanted released and so _ people who the iranians wanted released and so we _ people who the iranians wanted released and so we understood| people who the iranians wanted - released and so we understood quite clearly _ released and so we understood quite clearly what — released and so we understood quite clearly what the _ released and so we understood quite clearly what the trade—off _ released and so we understood quite clearly what the trade—off was - released and so we understood quite clearly what the trade—off was in - clearly what the trade—off was in that case — clearly what the trade—off was in that case it _ clearly what the trade—off was in that case. it happens _ clearly what the trade—off was in that case. it happens and, - clearly what the trade—off was in that case. it happens and, i'm . that case. it happens and, i'm afraid. — that case. it happens and, i'm afraid. iran— that case. it happens and, i'm afraid, iran has— that case. it happens and, i'm afraid, iran has form - that case. it happens and, i'm afraid, iran has form in- that case. it happens and, i'm afraid, iran has form in this i that case. it happens and, i'm - afraid, iran has form in this sense, even _ afraid, iran has form in this sense, even when — afraid, iran has form in this sense, even when this— afraid, iran has form in this sense, even when this money— afraid, iran has form in this sense, even when this money is _ afraid, iran has form in this sense, even when this money is restored i afraid, iran has form in this sense, i even when this money is restored and hopefully— even when this money is restored and hopefully there — even when this money is restored and hopefully there is _ even when this money is restored and hopefully there is a _ even when this money is restored and hopefully there is a more _ even when this money is restored and hopefully there is a more harmonious| hopefully there is a more harmonious relationship _ hopefully there is a more harmonious relationship event _ hopefully there is a more harmonious relationship event of _ hopefully there is a more harmonious relationship event of the _ hopefully there is a more harmonious relationship event of the entry- hopefully there is a more harmonious relationship event of the entry into i relationship event of the entry into the nuclear— relationship event of the entry into the nuclear deal, _ relationship event of the entry into the nuclear deal, it _ relationship event of the entry into the nuclear deal, it is _ relationship event of the entry into the nuclear deal, it is always- the nuclear deal, it is always possible _ the nuclear deal, it is always possible that _ the nuclear deal, it is always possible that some - the nuclear deal, it is always. possible that some unfortunate individual — possible that some unfortunate individual may— possible that some unfortunate individual may become - possible that some unfortunate individual may become a - possible that some unfortunate individual may become a pawni possible that some unfortunate i individual may become a pawn in possible that some unfortunate - individual may become a pawn in this kind of— individual may become a pawn in this kind of power— individual may become a pawn in this kind of power play— individual may become a pawn in this kind of power play again. _ individual may become a pawn in this kind of power play again. thank- individual may become a pawn in this kind of power play again.— now here's a curious question to ask on a programme which showcases international journalists working in the uk — do we need laws to restrict foreign influence? christopher steele, a former british spy, thinks so. journalists, though, aren't his main concern. nor, indeed, are spies. russia's influence is exercised, mr steele says, through opaque businesses, china's through academia. henry, this issue has been raised in the context of the united states, hasn't it, in recent months, with people saying, look, there are some business leaders in the us, american citizens, americans by birth, who nonetheless because of their business interest in china are the of effectively acting as apologists, front men and women, for the beijing regime. howeveramericans front men and women, for the beijing regime. however americans are resolving it and is the lesson that the uk could learn from that? i the uk could learn from that? i think first to the point of chinese americans— think first to the point of chinese americans being singled out, i think that that _ americans being singled out, i think that that actually has a component of racism _ that that actually has a component of racism in — that that actually has a component of racism in the sense that there are plenty— of racism in the sense that there are plenty of companies owned by white _ are plenty of companies owned by white owners who are lobbying in the same _ white owners who are lobbying in the same way _ white owners who are lobbying in the same way. you know, multinational corporations. | same way. you know, multinational corporations-— corporations. i apologise if my . uestion corporations. i apologise if my question gave _ corporations. i apologise if my question gave the _ corporations. i apologise if my question gave the wrong - corporations. i apologise if my - question gave the wrong impression because i think you are right, it was being said about all kinds of americans and the point wasn't because they are ethnic chinese but because they are ethnic chinese but because they are american businesspeople of whatever ethnicity who have been accused of doing this. so i apologise, i misspoke. that kind of lobbying _ so i apologise, i misspoke. that kind of lobbying has gone on for decades— kind of lobbying has gone on for decades and this is nothing new that hasjust_ decades and this is nothing new that hasjust come to decades and this is nothing new that has just come to the fall at the moment — has just come to the fall at the moment. ever since china began opening — moment. ever since china began opening up— moment. ever since china began opening up at the very end of the 70s and — opening up at the very end of the 70s and western companies started to see dollar— 70s and western companies started to see dollar signs in their eyes and rushed _ see dollar signs in their eyes and rushed in— see dollar signs in their eyes and rushed in and you have had corporations and other business interests — corporations and other business interests lobbying successive american institutions open up further— american institutions open up further and then after the tiananmen square _ further and then after the tiananmen square massacre there was plenty of lobbying _ square massacre there was plenty of lobbying from american businesses for the _ lobbying from american businesses for the us— lobbying from american businesses for the us not to subject chinese to a yearly— for the us not to subject chinese to a yearly vote on whether it would have _ a yearly vote on whether it would have what — a yearly vote on whether it would have what was called then most—favoured—nation trading status and the _ most—favoured—nation trading status and the idea of businesses lobbying on behalf— and the idea of businesses lobbying on behalf of businesses lobbying on behalf— on behalf of businesses lobbying on behalf all— on behalf of businesses lobbying on behalf all for their own interests and which — behalf all for their own interests and which then seemed favourable to other countries is not another one. what _ other countries is not another one. what the _ other countries is not another one. what the us has had on the books for some _ what the us has had on the books for some 80 _ what the us has had on the books for some 80 something years is a registration act that does require lobbying — registration act that does require lobbying firms and others who are in the direct— lobbying firms and others who are in the direct employee of states all working — the direct employee of states all working at their behest to lobby the us government on that, and that has actually— us government on that, and that has actually been enforced a bit more in the last— actually been enforced a bit more in the last 4-5— actually been enforced a bit more in the last 4—5 years, starting during, actually. _ the last 4—5 years, starting during, actually, the trump administration, which _ actually, the trump administration, which has _ actually, the trump administration, which has resulted in more of these agents _ which has resulted in more of these agents signing up or facing penalties if they don't. the one interesting thing about that, though. _ interesting thing about that, though, is certainly that plenty of influence — though, is certainly that plenty of influence happens not simply by paid lobbyists— influence happens not simply by paid lobbyists paid by governments but by other interests like businesses, and also plenty— other interests like businesses, and also plenty of the spending that is done _ also plenty of the spending that is done for— also plenty of the spending that is done for this lobbying is done by allies _ done for this lobbying is done by allies it — done for this lobbying is done by allies it is— done for this lobbying is done by allies. it is not only by hostile or seemingly— allies. it is not only by hostile or seemingly adversarial nation so it is a very— seemingly adversarial nation so it is a very difficult balancing act to juggle. _ is a very difficult balancing act to juggle, and the us has been trying to do— juggle, and the us has been trying to do that — juggle, and the us has been trying to do that more so in the last few years _ to do that more so in the last few ears. ., y to do that more so in the last few ears. ._ ~ , . . to do that more so in the last few ears. . years. polly, australia does have leuislation years. polly, australia does have legislation of— years. polly, australia does have legislation of this _ years. polly, australia does have legislation of this kind _ years. polly, australia does have legislation of this kind that - legislation of this kind that requires 11 legislation a foreign agent and it is one of the reasons that it agent and it is one of the reasons thatitis agent and it is one of the reasons that it is paying quite a considerable price in terms of an economic retaliation by china. —— that requires legislation to register foreign agents. that requires legislation to registerforeign agents. do that requires legislation to register foreign agents. do you think britain could make the same decision? . . think britain could make the same decision? . , . , , . decision? that is absolutely vital and we are _ decision? that is absolutely vital and we are very _ decision? that is absolutely vital and we are very relaxed - decision? that is absolutely vital and we are very relaxed about i decision? that is absolutely vital| and we are very relaxed about all decision? that is absolutely vital. and we are very relaxed about all of these things. the trouble is, we are now in a weaker position. we are desperate to have trade deals with anybody anywhere after this months figures show we had a 40% drop in a trade with europe. they settle down to being a bit less bad than that but we have become of other needy nation in terms of needing friends around the world, and i think that makes us much less scrupulous. we don't have nearly enough transparency. notjust in transparency. not just in straightforward transparency. notjust in straightforward lobbying groups but, for instance, think tanks and i would actually say, i'm surprised, really, that the bbc would put people from think tanks that don't disclose where the funding comes from. the institute for economic affairs, the taxpayers alliance, i've never revealed their financing. we don't know if their father know who they are or whose interest they are and develops other groups like this, other lobbying groups of think tanks that had so—called think tanks as well as lots of industries and, of course, the property industry doesn't really reveal the extent to which britain is used as a by oligarchs and clock people all over the world to buy large chunks of london property, often in a very opaque way, and although it is supposed to have become much more transparent, still not altogether clear, and i think we could have much stronger transparency laws and actually that would strengthen the strength of our propriety and i were we could have much stronger transparency laws and actually that would strengthen the strength of our propriety and our honesty, and there is some discussion that we might have new laws for more transparency and lobbying. taste have new laws for more transparency and lobbying-— and lobbying. we certainly need it. briefl , ifi and lobbying. we certainly need it. lbriefly. ifl may. — and lobbying. we certainly need it. briefly, ifi may, does _ and lobbying. we certainly need it. briefly, ifi may, does it— and lobbying. we certainly need it. briefly, if i may, does it give - and lobbying. we certainly need it. briefly, if i may, does it give you i briefly, if i may, does it give you some kind of unease that countries that often do this, you know, it is often authoritarian regimes who have these kind of... in terms of russia. indeed, nazanin zaghari—ratcliffe he was jailed because she had membership of an organisation working against the iranian government. it can be a tool that is used for quite nefarious means. i’m used for quite nefarious means. i'm know that used for quite nefarious means. i“n know that transparency is never a bad thing. if somebody does have a connection with an organisation, they should say so, they should be public about it, they should explain what the organisation does and then the fact that the soviet union once have insists that the british consul is registered as a foreign influence, well, to some extent it is. the british consul is there to promote soft power. it is not spying organisational political organisational political organisation but like the bbc it is a very important part of british influence abroad. we hope for the good, both bbc and the british consul are splendid organisations, may be involved in the arts and cultural dissemination, but transparency is everything and then you can discuss what is or isn't legitimate. you can discuss what is or isn't legitimate-— you can discuss what is or isn't legitimate. you can discuss what is or isn't lecitimate. ,, ., , ., legitimate. mark, last thoughts on this, is it legitimate. mark, last thoughts on this. is it going _ legitimate. mark, last thoughts on this, is it going to _ legitimate. mark, last thoughts on this, is it going to happen? - legitimate. mark, last thoughts on this, is it going to happen? it - legitimate. mark, last thoughts on this, is it going to happen? it may| this, is it going to happen? it may ha en. this, is it going to happen? it may happen- it — this, is it going to happen? it may happen- it is _ this, is it going to happen? it may happen- it is very _ this, is it going to happen? it may happen. it is very difficult. - this, is it going to happen? it may happen. it is very difficult. if- this, is it going to happen? it may happen. it is very difficult. 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abramovich's lisa did try- stuff and they did move on roman abramovich's lisa did try to i stuff and they did move on romanl abramovich's lisa did try to explain his unexplained _ abramovich's lisa did try to explain his unexplained wealth _ abramovich's lisa did try to explain his unexplained wealth orders i abramovich's lisa did try to explain his unexplained wealth orders a i his unexplained wealth orders a little _ his unexplained wealth orders a little bit — his unexplained wealth orders a little bit more _ his unexplained wealth orders a little bit more and _ his unexplained wealth orders a little bit more and it— his unexplained wealth orders a little bit more and it is- his unexplained wealth orders a little bit more and it is very- his unexplained wealth orders a | little bit more and it is very hard to make — little bit more and it is very hard to make cases— little bit more and it is very hard to make cases and _ little bit more and it is very hard to make cases and also - little bit more and it is very hard to make cases and also of- little bit more and it is very hard to make cases and also of these| to make cases and also of these russians— to make cases and also of these russians who _ to make cases and also of these russians who have _ to make cases and also of these russians who have come - to make cases and also of these russians who have come to i to make cases and also of these i russians who have come to london with a _ russians who have come to london with a loss — russians who have come to london with a loss of — russians who have come to london with a loss of wealth _ russians who have come to london with a loss of wealth are _ russians who have come to london with a loss of wealth are anti—putinj with a loss of wealth are anti—putin or the _ with a loss of wealth are anti—putin or the position _ with a loss of wealth are anti—putin or the position may— with a loss of wealth are anti—putin or the position may be _ with a loss of wealth are anti—putin or the position may be quite i with a loss of wealth are anti—putinl or the position may be quite unclear -- with— or the position may be quite unclear -- with a _ or the position may be quite unclear -- with a lot — or the position may be quite unclear -- with a lot of— or the position may be quite unclear —— with a lot of wealth. _ or the position may be quite unclear —— with a lot of wealth. they- or the position may be quite unclear —— with a lot of wealth. they are i —— with a lot of wealth. they are not necessarily _ —— with a lot of wealth. they are not necessarily servants - —— with a lot of wealth. they are not necessarily servants of i —— with a lot of wealth. they are not necessarily servants of a i not necessarily servants of a russian _ not necessarily servants of a russian state _ not necessarily servants of a russian state agenda i not necessarily servants of a russian state agenda so i i not necessarily servants of a i russian state agenda so i think not necessarily servants of a - russian state agenda so i think that highlight— russian state agenda so i think that highlight some _ russian state agenda so i think that highlight some of— russian state agenda so i think that highlight some of the _ russian state agenda so i think that highlight some of the difficulty- russian state agenda so i think that highlight some of the difficulty so i highlight some of the difficulty so transparently. _ highlight some of the difficulty so transparently, yes, _ highlight some of the difficulty so transparently, yes, but— highlight some of the difficulty so transparently, yes, but if- highlight some of the difficulty so transparently, yes, but if it i highlight some of the difficulty sol transparently, yes, but if it causes an itch— transparently, yes, but if it causes an itch that — transparently, yes, but if it causes an itch that you _ transparently, yes, but if it causes an itch that you can't _ transparently, yes, but if it causes an itch that you can't really- an itch that you can't really scratch _ an itch that you can't really scratch in _ an itch that you can't really scratch in terms _ an itch that you can't really scratch in terms of - an itch that you can't really scratch in terms of address an itch that you can't really- scratch in terms of address because it isn't— scratch in terms of address because it isn't legally — scratch in terms of address because it isn't legally the _ scratch in terms of address because it isn't legally the findable - scratch in terms of address because it isn't legally the findable in i scratch in terms of address because it isn't legally the findable in the i it isn't legally the findable in the i’ili'it it isn't legally the findable in the right form — it isn't legally the findable in the right form it _ it isn't legally the findable in the right form it doesn't _ it isn't legally the findable in the right form it doesn't necessarilyi right form it doesn't necessarily -et right form it doesn't necessarily get you — right form it doesn't necessarily get you out— right form it doesn't necessarily get you out of— right form it doesn't necessarily get you out of the _ right form it doesn't necessarily get you out of the problem i right form it doesn't necessarily get you out of the problem and| right form it doesn't necessarily. get you out of the problem and the perception— get you out of the problem and the perception of— get you out of the problem and the perception of the _ get you out of the problem and the perception of the laundromat. i get you out of the problem and the perception of the laundromat. -- l perception of the laundromat. -- isn't perception of the laundromat. isn't legally definable. thank perception of the laundromat.= isn't legally definable. thank you to all of our covered respondent. that's it for dateline london for this week — we're back next week at the same time. i'll be back in a fortnight. hello, everyone, hope you're doing all right. it's been pretty unsettled over the past couple of days, we have seen very strong winds overnight with gusts of up to 70 mph in places and we have seen heavy outbreaks of rain as well. this is happening because we have an area of low pressure nearby that is feeding in these weather fronts which in turn are introducing that rain and if you look at the white lines here, the isobars, when they are packed closely together like that it generally means it will be pretty windy so that tells us what will happen next essentially on the pressure chart, but we are turning a corner over the next couple of days, everyone. something brighter and drier on the horizon, but we're not quite there yet, however. there's the headline for the weekend — we're expecting further blustery showers but we will see sunny spells as well. let's have a look at the graphics. the heaviest of the showers will continue to feed into parts of northern ireland, western parts of scotland, the north—west of england and down towards the south—west of england as well. we will see more in the way of sunny spells further east. i think we will see some of these across wales, top temperatures probably around 10 or 11 celsius in the far south—east but for most of us it will be between six and eight celsius, still very windy with wind gusts up to 50 mph and that is even further inland. overnight we will see further showers, again moving in on that brisk breeze and as with last night and today on higher ground some of these will turn to a bit of sleet or snow and we may hear the odd rumble of thunder out there as well but we will see clear skies across much of the country, it will be too windy for a widespread frost but having said that we will still get down to about one or two celsius. as for tomorrow, here is how it is shaping up. we will see plenty of sunny spells initially, then this feature starts to move in from the west, introducing heavy spells of rain into northern ireland, western parts of scotland, cumbria, the north—west of england and eventually into wales, but you can see here you can almost wrap a lot of dry weather around that feature so we will see sunnier spells to the east and over the coming days, less of this and more of something that looks a bit like this, so it's turning more settled and the reason as to why that's happening is here on the pressure chart, we have a big area of high pressure building, so we are going from low pressure that i was talking about earlier to that situation which means more of us will see brightness and some sunshine as well, so things are settling down as we look towards the middle of this coming week. i'll keep you posted. that is how it is looking. see you soon. this is bbc news. these are the latest headlines in the uk and around the world. a serving metropolitan police officer has appeared before magistrates. 48—year—old wayne couzens is charged with the kidnap and murder of sarah everard. an event to remember sarah in south london has 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