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Corbyn is promising too much and i dont understand where he will get the money from. Im a painter from london, im called peterand i the money from. Im a painter from london, im called peter and i dont think ill bother getting out of bed this time if you feel like this youre not alone according to one survey, 20 of voters are still undecided about what to do on thursday. So let us know what it is that youre waiting for. What are you hoping for, expecting in the final four days of this intense, sometimes bitter, toxic Election Campaign thats going to help you finally make up your mind. If youre on twitter use the hashtag victorialive, or e mail victoria bbc. Co. Uk and theres facebook too. All but two of our audience today say they are still undecided well ask them what policies, if any have cut through, if any have downloaded or perhaps even read a manifesto, whats most important to them in this election and what they think of the main party leaders. We are here on between two and bbc news until 11. 30. First Carrie Gracie has the news. Five people have died and several others are missing after a volcano erupted at a popular tourist site in new zealand. The eruption on white island, also known as whakaari, happened just after 2pm local time. Police said 23 people had been rescued, but warned conditions were hampering the operation. The island is unstable, the possibilities of further eruptions, but actually the physical environment is unsafe for us to return to the island. Lets talk to our reporter Danny Vincent whos on the south island. Thats right, so earlier on today, it is around 11 oclock in the evening and night has fallen, earlier there were reports that of course on the Northern Island off the coast of the Northern Island an volcano had erupted, it was a sudden eruption. At the time the police and the authorities feared there may have been up to 100 people on the island. That number was later revised down to around 50. Now the authorities have lost contact with the people on the island and dont know how many people are out there. But all the authorities and the experts are warning that it is dangerous at this moment to even attempt to visit the island. At this moment it seems the rescue teams are waiting until day break before they can attempt to survey the area and hopefully resume the rescue mission. Thank you. John mcdonnell will promise to deliver a budget to end austerity, in a speech setting out labours priorities for its first 100 days in government. The shadow chancellor will also vow to get money moving out of whitehall and the city if labour wins the election. The conservatives are also pledging to increase public spending, but not on the same scale. Borisjohnson is touring brexit voting labour held seats in humberside and north east england, with three days to go before polling day. In a speech later in sunderland 61 of which voted to leave the pm is expected to tell voters the labour party has let you down. Mrjohnson will also travel to south west england, where he will warn against voting for the pro eu lib dems. Now, a quick spoiler warning if you werent watching last night, but after spending three weeks in australia, the queen of thejungle, and winner of this years im a celebrity, get me out of here, has been crowned. The winner and the new. Queen of thejungle is the winner and the new. Queen of the jungle is Jacqueline Eastenders actor Jacqueline Jossas win brought the shows 19th series to a close, having first hit our screens in 2002. Coronation street actor andy whyment was the runner up, with radio dj roman kemp in third. 34 year old sanna marin is to become the worlds youngest Prime Minister as head of a women Led Coalition government in finland. The transportation minister was picked by her social Democratic Party to take charge after pm antti rinne quit. She is expected to be sworn in this week. We are here on between two and bbc news until 11. 30. First Carrie Gracie has the news. Good morning, welcome to oui programme, today we re broadcasting live from crewe. In three days you will be voting in what could be the most important election of your lifetime. It will shape our country for generations to come. No pressure then. Today we re with a0 voters all but two are yet to make up their mind finally about who they will vote for on thursday. They ve been brought together by Specialist Research Agency Britain thinks. Some of them live round here, the rest are from other parts of great britain, including birmingham, london and glasgow. Even though they re undecided, some of them lean one way politically or another. They ve voted for a range of parties in the past, and their views on brexit broadly reflect the way the country voted in the eu referendum. Over the next 90 minutes these politicians have a chance to convince these voters, and you watching, to vote for their party. 0h we are not showing the empty chair. We have, we will have four politicians. We have three at the moment. Because the trains are up the spout in one part of the country. Unusually, we ve told them they can bring notes and manifestos with them if they want. They ve got their phones and ipads with them so if they get asked and ipads with them they can text a colleague. But we would ask you to be honest, to answer the questions asked by our audience in a straightforward way without spin and not to make speeches. Why are you looking at me . Why are you looking at me . M why are you looking at me . It is just the way my gaze fell also with us we ve got labour s education spokeswoman angela rayner, wera hobhouse, the lib dems Climate Change spokeswoman, Ben Mcpherson who is the snp s minister for europe in the scottish parliament, and nigel evans from the conservatives. Angela rayner willjoin us any moment. But she is stuck on a delayed train. Now our undecided voters, why havent you made up your mind. Im rob from birmingham and a traditional labour voter, but the constituency has been held by the tory, im considering the liberal democrat and the green party. I hope somebody can give me more reason why i should vote for them to get change. You are going to vote tactically . Absolutely. What have you made of the campaign . Disappointing, when we look on the elections in america in 2015, we thought it was a terrible way and it is manifesting over here. What do you mean . The personal slandering, it has all become about personality and there is no too much emphasis on trying to dig up history about whether it is boris orjc and we should be getting back to policies of what is going to make changes, rather than looking at the personalities. Im lucy from glasgow, i would love to vote for st np, but in my constituency snp, but my constituency is conservative, which is pretty unheard of in scotland and so i might need to, i might feel the need to vote labour. Lie do you say it like that . I well, i like lie do you say it like that . I well, ilikejeremy lie do you say it like that . I well, i like Jeremy Corbyn and im more of a socialist, so potentially, but i dont know, i will probablyjust vote snp any way. What do you think will help, what are you hoping to hear that will clinch it . |j will help, what are you hoping to hear that will clinch it . I hope hear that will clinch it . I hope hear there is a green party. I dont think it will be on my ballot paper. Hi . Im aidan from birmingham. Im undecided, because i think there is a lack of transparency in politics at the moment. Who are you waivering between. At the moment. Who are you waivering betweenlj at the moment. Who are you waivering between. I would like to vote labour, but conservative and liberal democrat are leading in my constituency. I would liberal democrat are leading in my constituency. Iwould rather see myself not vote than vote tactically again this year. Why do you say that . Im tired of using a political syste m that . Im tired of using a political system that doesnt seem to represent anything that im looking for in my politics. You might withhold your vote . Potentially. How would that lead to change . Im not sure if it would lead to change. But i dont see how my vote would either at the moment. Anyone else relate to that and want to pick up on that with aidan . Hi. Im from london and iruna with aidan . Hi. Im from london and i run a youth organisation. What have you thought of the election so far . What does that mean . Im really undecided and i feel like. Far . What does that mean . Im really undecided and ifeel like. Aidan, imight undecided and ifeel like. Aidan, i mightjust go to the box and tick any box and just walk out. Because of the fact im not hearing what i need to be hearing. Is it because youre not listening or your not hearing . I am listening, but im not hearing. Im seeing everything thats on the news about crime, the stabbings, you know young people dying, andi stabbings, you know young people dying, and i dont really see anything being done to kind of tackle these or interventions being put in place that will help. There is always talks about policing, but there is no underlying issue of prevention and that is the kind of thing i would like to see. What do you think of the campaign so far . Previously, i didnt care about any kind of election. It is only because im running a Youth Project i have become more into what is going on in parliament and what is going on with funding and stuff as well. So now, it is all over the place. You feel engaged. You just havent. No ones clinched it for you. No. Hi. Im from birmingham and im very disappointed in the election. I dont know who i will vote for. Who is it between. Labour conservative and liberal democrat. Historically a labour voter, but i have changed my vote, according to what they have said. I dont have much courage at the moment, because i dont believe anything that the main politicians are telling us. How do you know if youre hearing a politician not being truthful . 0r being truthful. I judge it on the person and i have been disappointed in our existing Prime Minister and the potential Prime Minister and the potential Prime Minister and the potential Prime Minister and the way that they have just bickered between themselves instead of stating what theyre going to do for our country and our nhs and crime and social ca re and our nhs and crime and social care etc. To be fair they have stated quite a lot about what they wa nt to stated quite a lot about what they want to do, it is whether you have heard it or whether you believe it. I have heard many things in past few years, but i dont believe tell me show me and the conservatives havent done that in the past few years. Im kate from birmingham and im undecided. What are you waivering between . im undecided. What are you waivering between . I dont know. Im oii waivering between . I dont know. Im on the fence between all of them. Between who . The big three. What did you vote for in 2017. Conservative. 2015. I cant remember. You vote for in 2017. Conservative. 2015. Icant remember. Idont you vote for in 2017. Conservative. 2015. I cant remember. I dont know if you too young in 20 ten. 2015. I cant remember. I dont know if you too young in 20 tenlj 2015. I cant remember. I dont know if you too young in 20 ten. I cant remember. The main reason is when you look in the newspaper all their doing is back biting and about what they cant done and not what actually standing up saying, this what is i will do. It has become very tedious. Do you think. Truth has been a casualty in the election . Yes. Compared to two years ago . The way each party has been behaved brexit over. The way they are jumped from party to party and stopped boris and blocked votes, i have had enough. There is one party who is promising and again it is whether you are promising to do that, to ta ke you are promising to do that, to take the uk out of the eu. You are promising to do that, to take the uk out ofthe eu. |j you are promising to do that, to take the uk out of the eu. I dont think it is fair to go against what the majority asked for. Boris johnson said he would take the uk out of the eu by the end of january. I dont see it happening. Why . I think it is too much back biting and people are too busy wanting to stand against him. Who has the mic. Im john from birmingham, im retired at the moment, but unlike the waspy women, i cant see the politics supporting the men, because i have 12 months to go before i get my pension. I dont believe in tactical voting, because we need somebody with a majority, whoever it may be. This country used to be the envy of the world with our democracy and a lot of countries were set up to follow our procedure. What has been going on since the referendum, when it was democratically voted, whether you wanted it or not to come out and that should have been done to come out, because that is the democratic vote, where every mp said they would abide by that and all this bickering how. Abide by that and all this bickering how. Are abide by that and all this bickering how. Are you undecided . I am. How come . Because im more swayed to the conservatives, because i think as borisjohnson said he will take us out and i think that is the right thing. Whether it is right or wrong, we voted out. That should be it. I know both parties lied on various things like on the bus, but both parties wasnt telling the truth. It is the same as this election. Jeremy corbyn, he just is the same as this election. Jeremy corbyn, hejust promising everything, i want to know where this host of money trees it going. Who are you waivering between . Im thinking it sounds like youre heading down a particular route . Yes, there is only two, i obviously being where i come from i cant vote for the snp. They only represent 2 of the country. The liberal democrats, they have just to me, theyre just a nonexistent party. |j wa nt to theyre just a nonexistent party. |j want to ask people what has cut through, what promises have cut through, what promises have cut through and what you think of the lerds. Im from south listened. London. What does the name elie zsa mean. God is my teacher. We have heard some interesting points, i wa nt heard some interesting points, i want to touch upon what was mentioned with regards to knife crime and the violence and theyre saying theyre recruiting 20,000 more Police Officers, with this election, so much focus has been on brexit and smearing, as robert mentioned, becoming americanised, i dont see, im. Decided, because i think that some of the crucial issues such as Climate Change and knife crime, the things that affect out knife crime, the things that affect our lives here in the uk, what are the results, what will happen there, how are these things going to be resolved. What has cut through to you . The issues with knife crime, i live in south west london and i think there is not enough resources for the youth. From the politicians, is there a promise that you have heard, whether you like it or not, a policy that you have heard whether you like it or not, what has cut through to be fair there isnt that has cut through to me. I feel i have almost avoided getting too heavily involved in this election. Because as robert mentioned, so much about the smears and so many criticising one another. But that is politics. At the end of the day we need results and we need to know our country is going to be looked after and we are going to benefit. Can you think of any policy from any party that has cut through to you that you hear. No. Have you down loaded any ma nifestos. Hear. No. Have you down loaded any manifestos. No. Look at her face, no, of course not. Im doing my work. What has cut through for you. The promises that cut through to me is tuition fees and how labour says they will scrap them. I dont know ifi they will scrap them. I dont know if i can trust that, because i think Jeremy Corbyn is promising more than he can afford. Tuition fees is the most important thing for me. It is a real worry. A couple of people have said labourare real worry. A couple of people have said labour are promising too much. Is that what you feel . Definitely all the things he talks about sound appealing, but i dont see how he will fulfil the promising. Apart from tuition fees and the scrapping of them, has anything else cut through for you . Im just focussing oii through for you . Im just focussing on tuition fees. Yes . Im jim from glasgow. To touch upon a point made earlier about brexit being a touchy point. Politics is quite fluid, theyre expecting everyone to make up theyre expecting everyone to make up their minds for the next four, eight, 12, 16 years, but the situation changes day to day and people keep saying the majority was leave. That was three years ago. A lot of 16 year olds are now 17, 18 and they havent had the chance. Your fluidity and they havent had the chance. Yourfluidity means and they havent had the chance. Your fluidity means you have an electorate who have never elected you or anybody else to make a decision on brexit. How do you feel about the election . It is a nightmare. There is so much mudslinging. You want to win. Tell the truth. That is it simply. Do you think the truth or the lack of truth is worse at this election . Yes. Why, give me some examples. Boris sitting refusing to talk about his family, which is, you can agree with the man, it is his personal life. When he has dragged his brother in and out, who is also an mp, that gets him straight back in the picture, you cant omit that when you Start Talking about it. Has anything cut through to yourjim . Not a thing. There must be something. A vote for the snp in a lot of ways is a waste of time. In scotland we are labour, scottish liberal, scottish, it is a vote for england and does nothing for scotland. When i say cut through, im thinking about a policy 01 through, im thinking about a policy ora through, im thinking about a policy or a moment or a promise or a whatever it might be. What would you say . Im reena from glasgow. I have been listening to everybodys comments there. Im very undecided who i will vote for. The. I have always been very knowing who im voting for, but this campaign im undecided. I would like someone to do more about waspy, because i am one of the waspy people. You know there is one party that are promising to give you money, that is the labour party. So how are you undecided. I dont know, im listening to Boris Johnson and Jeremy Corbyn and listening to the liberal democrats, snp, and i cannot make up my mind. I want a quick bounce around. What do you think of the main leaders . Im appalled with the main leaders . Im appalled with the way that politicians are handling their emotions. Politics is a dirty game. You have to have an element of being fleg mattick, i think theyre too sentimental and there is a repetition about im going to do this and that and people are not looking at the extrapolation. What do you think of jo swinson . Im im not educated enough to comment. Of course you. No opinion. Jeremy corbyn. I think he is good at heart, but he is promising too much. Boris johnson . He isa promising too much. Boris johnson . He is a maverick, malignant, every word in the dictionary. Nicola sturgeon . I think she is quite assertive and wants what is best for scotland, but i dont feel she has the aptitude to run the entire country. I dont think she even has that as an ambition. Borisjohnson what do you think . I hope he is a future statesman and there is a politician that can return some statesman like values to the uk. I dont think it is now. Jo swinson . I think it is too early for her. She has some good ideas. What i do think it is probably five years too early for her. Jeremy corbyn . Again i like his strength and his commitment, im not sure im a labour voter, but i like some of the curt through ideas like some of the curt through ideas like scrapping student fees, some of the re nationalisations. Like scrapping student fees, some of the renationalisations. We are showing pictures of borisjohnson in a fish market in grimsby. That is the kind of things that politicians do in the last few days. Anything that will get a clip on the news. Chris . Anything you want to say a about fish . This is about the big photo opportunity for a politician who aspires to be Prime Minister to be seen with a cod in his hand, that is the money shot. You wont escape that picture. Since this general election was called, we have asked multiple times for a conservative minister to come onto our programme to put forward their arguments about why you should give the tories your vote. On behalf of you, we wanted to question ministers about their record, and scrutinise their pledges for the future because they want to govern us for the next five years. Notably, not once since the Election Campaign began was has a minister or official spokesperson available to come on our programme. Senior politicians from all the other Political Parties have been able to join us. All the conservative politicians weve had live on the programme since the Campaign Began have agreed to come on because weve contacted them directly, including nigel evans and we are very grateful to him and to others who have done so. Let s hear more from our politicians. It s a room of undecided voters. So i d like to invite you to make a 60 second pitch, it can be shorter if you like, to the people here in crewe and watching in offices, airport lounges, workplaces, kitchens, front rooms up and down the country. And we ve asked the candidates to do it in alphabetical order, were still waiting for labours rain. Angela rayner. She is here. Blame the trains better late than never so nigel evans, it s you first. Do stand up, sir. Thank you. Happy to be on the show, as you know. Always love the show. For over two yea rs, always love the show. For over two years, parliament has lost its way. Parliament has refused to respect what the people voted for in 2016. 0n what the people voted for in 2016. On thursday, you can break that deadlock. And that you can bring respect back to parliament. A majority conservative government will deliver brexit. Brexit will happen. By 31st january. Will deliver brexit. Brexit will happen. By 31stjanuary. What will deliver brexit. Brexit will happen. By 31st january. What are the alternatives . Another Hung Parliament . Two more divisive referendums, one on brexit and one on scottish independence. 0n thursday, you can stop that dead in its tracks. Next year can be a fantastic year of growth and investment on your priorities. Priorities such as the National Health service with 50,000 more nurses. Priorities on law and order with 20,000 more Police Officers and 10,000 more prison places and at last to control our own immigration and on thursday, vote conservative, so we can finally deliver the brexit that you voted for and move britain into a Better Future. Thank you, now it s wera hobhouse from the lib dems. Thank you. Borisjohnsons Boris Johnsons divisive borisjohnsons divisive brexit deal will put a border down the irish sea and threaten the united kingdom. So can have a majority borisjohnson government or our family of nations. It is your choice. Borisjohnson will sell off the nature he nhs to donald trump. You can have a majority government or the nhs you cant have both. Borisjohnson doesnt care about the climate emergency. You doesnt care about the climate emergency. You can doesnt care about the climate emergency. You can have a majority johnson government or Climate Action. If the united kingdom, if if nhs is, if Climate Action matters to you, you have to vote tactically. For the candidate in your constituency best placed for the candidate in your constituency best placed to beat the conservatives. And it is because we have an outdated voting system, be i if but you need to vote tactically. This election really matters. What is at stake is notjust brexit but what sort of society we want to be, building a fairer society, taking action on Climate Change, investing in our Public Services and building a socially just economy. In our Public Services and building a sociallyjust economy. Boris johnson is totally unfit to be Prime Ministerand johnson is totally unfit to be Prime Minister and his conservative partys agenda is incredibly worrying. For scotland, he will take us worrying. For scotland, he will take us out of the European Union against our will and out of the biggest Single Market in the world. He also threatens to rip up the rules on food standards, on environmental protections and workers rights. And our nhs could be on the table when it comes to trade deals. To build a Better Future and to stop him, in scotland, that means voting snp. The snp is the strongest contender in every seat in scotland so to lock borisjohnson out of every seat in scotland so to lock Boris Johnson out of office, to have a say on scott ands future, to protect scotlands place in europe and to build a fairer, more socially just society and a greener, Brighter Future in scotland, that means voting snp. Lastly, angela raynerfor labour. Thank you. The country, as well as globally, we are at a crossroads, i think. Never has it been more important about how people vote and go out and vote on thursday. It is exciting so many people have engaged in our political process, despite people saying people are not interested in politics. Ive seen people are more interested in politics now than ever before. But i worry about our future, and i worry about where we are going as a country and what we want to say to the rest of the world. We have had nine years of tory austerity that has crippled our nation, not least our trains which is why i was late. People cant get to work but we are at christmas more seriously where 4 million children are in poverty. 0ur kids are rummaging through bins in schools to get food. Now police have been taken off our streets and are elderly are not getting the care they deserve. 0nly labour can change this around and invest in our people and invest in our country, and make sure we deal with Climate Change, we look after each other and we have a future we can all be proud of. Lets not divide each other, lets not carry on being angry with each other but lets come together and think about our children and our future. Thank you. Im slightly disconcerted that nobody got a round of applause but may be. Applause may be that is because it is a room full of undecideds. It isnt a partisan crowd. As we know people here are leaning in one particular direction or another. There are some absolute purists who are literally deciding between four parties. Let me read some messages from your watching around the country. One person says nothing is changed by not voting. Youre giving your silent tacit approval for whoever is elected. Not voting is some sort of great protest, it is the exact opposite. Whereas, and bear with me because im looking at some other devices here, on twitter, one person says, are not undecided at all. Ive decided im not voting. I refused to give my stamp of approval for the least worst rather than the best. 0r vote tactically. And i hope it rains on thursday. This text says i worry not help jeremy on thursday. This text says i worry not helpJeremy Corbyn become pm and im not voting conservative or lib dems had i not waste my vote . Right now im not gonna bother. Tony treats, and undecided, sweetjesus, looking around. Crime due to police cuts, lack of hospital beds, doctors and nurses, closing fire stations. Homeless people dying on our streets. Undecided, says tony. Bill says, we cant trust boris, i hear but i found no reason to distrust and im a former labour vote and supporter. 0nce even delivering leaflets for la bou r. Supporter. 0nce even delivering leaflets for labour. 0ne supporter. 0nce even delivering leaflets for labour. One more commercial and text, i wont be voting on thursday. I wanted to devote the brexit party. I voted in 2016 which was a waste of time as the result of that vote havent been action so whats the point in me bothering to vote on thursday . We will get our politicians to address that. What weve done now is chosen one member of the audience was leaning towards voting for each of the parties represented here but for one reason or another havent made that final decision. We have a chance now to talk one to one to our politicians and the politicians have the chance to try to convince them in three minutes. Again, we are doing it in alphabetical order so we begin with leanne breaks peer who is going to talk to nigel evans. Hello. I live in Sutton Coldfield in birmingham and weve got a real problem with crime, in particular house burglaries and car thefts. And bikie gangs. The Police Response times are lengthy. Sometimes 2a rounds after a home has been burgled, do they attempt to take forensics. Theres not enough presence on the streets the police. The conservatives have been in power and theyve cut the police in numbers. What can you say to me for me to vote conservative and have the trust youre going to keep me and my family trust youre going to keep me and my fa m ily safe trust youre going to keep me and my family safe and reduce crime in my area and the country . Thanks, leanne. It is an important point you make and law and order is one of thoseissues make and law and order is one of those issues which you saw in my one minute pitch. It is important to me. Yes, during the years of austerity, theres no two ways Police Numbers were reduced. You remember that letter we received from liam byrne, the labour chief secretary to the treasury that said there was no money left. We had to live within our means. The growth in the economy has meant now we are able to reinvest yet again in the Public Services. We say 20,000 more police and we want to make sure they are on the beat, and that people get to see them. When you phone 999, somebodys going to turn up. Do you think 20,000 is enough and how will you spread them across the country . Theyve already started. In lancashire weve already got the first 153 that have been allotted to my area so first 153 that have been allotted to my area so the same will happen throughout the country as well. The other thing of courses stop and search, if theres any knife crime you are suspicious of, weve got no problems with search if thats going to reduce crime, particularly knife crime, thats going to be important to you. And also to fast track anybody who is caught with knives through the judicial system so that they havent got to wait weeks either. I hope thats going to reassure you that we are taking this absolutely seriously. Weve already started with the extra police that are already there, the training is already beginning and we will be absolutely certain that by the end of that next parliament youll have your 20,000 extra Police Officers on the beat through the uk. So it is a staged process . Is it going to be 20,000 immediately . At the moment im scared to scared to go to the local shop because you have bikie gangs riding around. They are terrorising motorists and we are scared. If we were to take action, we would be penalised. Absolutely, nobody is arguing for vigilantes, and that shouldnt be the case. Leanne, do you feel terrified because there is and the Police Presence on the street . Yes, a daily occurrence, like i would just show this gentleman on facebook about a bikie gang hang around, 20 or 30 of them holding onto wing mirrors and ca rs them holding onto wing mirrors and cars driving down the street, people have got dash cam footage but one day someone is going to get annoyed, ta ke day someone is going to get annoyed, take action against one of these youths and they are scared to because they will be penalised because they will be penalised because they will be penalised because the youths are untouchable. It is ok with you the conservatives cut 20500 and they now say nine yea rs on cut 20500 and they now say nine years on they will try to recruit 20,000 . They are just replacing what they cut in the first place so it is a level Playing Field again. Thank you. So, now, we have got amelia atkinson, who was leaning towards the lib dems, amongst other patterns. Amongst other parties. Im going to University Next year and im worried about the costs. What will the lib dems do to address the cost of University Education including tuition fees . We will absolutely make sure maintenance grants are reinstated. Maintenance loa n grants are reinstated. Maintenance loan already go in but what im worried about is the system, which maintenance loans. If your parents and a collective amount of over 70 grand a year you qualify for the minimum Maintenance Plan which doesnt even cover your rent for the year. We are starting with those most in need, and the one thing that has also been making it incredibly difficult for young people to look into the future is the interest you pay on the tuition fees has been introduced after the Coalition Government. It was originally an interest free tuition fee but may have to pay interest on it which has to stop. Can i say one thing, amelia, 50 of young people go to university. 50 dont. And we have to have this general debate of who is paying for what. Does somebody never goes to university and gets the advantage later of better pay, should they be paid by people who work ina should they be paid by people who work in a factory or dont have very good jobs and never go to university . Should they through their general taxation pay for your advantage or not . If you look at it from a fairness point of view. Advantage or not . If you look at it from a fairness point of view. Do not think that advantage will benefit everybody because you are paying for the doctors to be trained, everybody, the lawyers, is that not going to advantage at some point in your life as well . Of course, point in your life as well . Of course , you can point in your life as well . Of course, you can look at the bigger social benefit of having well educated people and i absolutely hear your point but if you think about those people who never get a salary beyond 25 or £30,000 in their lives, why should they through their tax pay for your much higher earning that you have later on in life . That was basically the thinking behind who is paying for University Education. If you look at other countries. Im going to come in there. Amelia, you havent yet pointed out but im sure it is coming that you are asking the lib dems specifically this because they promised to scrap tuition fees and then when they got in the Coalition Government. I dont think we can trust whatever they promise after they broke their promises last time. We didnt promise to take tuition fees back. The system was introduced. I am trying to explain why it was coming from. We were in a Coalition Government. You said you we re never Coalition Government. You said you were never raised tuition fees, that was one of your policies, you said youd never raise them and then when youd never raise them and then when you are in the coalition, the tuition fees were raised. And nick clegg has apologised for that, that he couldnt see that promise through, and that happens in politics. A lot of promises are not seen politics. A lot of promises are not seen through. The labour party promised they were going to scrap tuition fees in the last manifesto but now they are saying it is an ambition. Politicians have to be absolutely clear about what they wa nt absolutely clear about what they want and if they are in a majority in government, they can see it through. In a coalition, its more difficult. Thank you very much, thank you, amelia. Jim what is going to speak to the snp. Good morning. My name isjim moore. I stay in glasgow. I am a traditional snp supporter but i am worried this time with brexit coming along that as it looks increasingly likely the snp will get returned with a vastly greater majority so i am just wondering is it a case of because the Current Record the snp have on things like the nhs and the economy and education isnt great at the moment, so how can you and education isnt great at the moment, so how can you reassure me in every other potential vote in scotland that we can trust the snp. And that after brexit, just to be honest with us. Honest about what . Honest about things that are going to be tough after brexit. If we have to be tough after brexit. If we have to pay an extra penny on income tax or whatever, weve heard from the other two main parties down south that one is going to be spending so many billion, the other say theyre going to spend more. In scotland we like to hear more honesty, just to tell us the truth and be honest with us. If we need to pay for things, im quite sure a lot of people would maybe pay the penny on tax. Having read your manifesto, i dont think theres anything you are asking in terms of tax raising powers, unless ive misremembered . Not directly. Thanks for your question, jim. In terms of income tax, that has been devolved for the Scottish Government and we sought to use those powers progressively so that those earning over around 27,000 pay more and eve ryo ne over around 27,000 pay more and everyone else pays less. So, 55 of income tax payers in scotland pay less tha n income tax payers in scotland pay less than the rest of the uk but with that progressive taxation weve been able to invest record amounts in the nhs in scotland, up to 1a billion now. Why are you missing so many targets, then . We have the best performing accident and Emergency Services in scotland than in the uk. Weve had the best performing a e for the last four years. Why are you missing the targets is . Are the targets we have. We have to do to make challenges in the Health Service as they do elsewhere. The a e target was quite recent. There are challenges, no doubt, which is why. Are challenges, no doubt, which is why. No, a e hasnt been met. We have record amounts of recruitment into the nhs, for example, co nsulta nts, into the nhs, for example, consultants, which has gone up by almost 50 . With the greatest respect, we are hearing the same thing from the snp as we are hearing down south. Its all about throwing money at the problem. How can you assure us that investment in the nhs, particularly, and education, how can you assure us the money is going to go to the right people, not middle management, but the doctors and nurses and consultants, where it is mostly needed . That has absolutely been the approach the snp has taken, its been about investing in Front Line Services and increasing the workforce. The workforce has gone up by 10 in the nhs. Education and justice have been raised here as well and i hope we get into those prints later on. Satisfaction with the Scottish Education system is 86 . We had 1000 more police on scottish streets in comparison to the 20,000 reduction in england and wales. In terms of the economy, becausejim asked about the economy, becausejim asked about the economy, becausejim asked about the economy, the biggest threat is brexit and polls have shown billions of pounds have been taken off the scottish economy because of brexit, and that is the biggest risk in terms of the scottish economy. In your manifesto you say it is 3 billion has been lost. And Strathclyde University say that isnt what they said in their research. Anyway, lets move on. Isnt what they said in their research. Anyway, lets move onlj think that is what they did say, actually. No, they didnt, because i looked it up to double check. Thank you very much. So, kelly, youre going to talk to angela rayner. Hi, angela, im kelly from birmingham. I have been a long standing labour supporter for a long, long time but one of my biggest concerns with the labour party at the moment now is their passion for nato and national security. I want to know what the labour partys views on that are, do you support nato . Is that something youre going to keep looking at . My concern is the country will be at a Security Risk if mr corbyn becomes Prime Minister. Let me reassure you first of all by saying we do support nato and we are committed to the 2 of gdp spent on defence as part of that nato agreement. 0ne of gdp spent on defence as part of that nato agreement. One of the first principle for us is to keep britain safe. And sometimes some of ourForeign Policy britain safe. And sometimes some of our Foreign Policy at the moment is to bomb first and diplomacy second which hasnt kept us safe. We want to invest in our army. Its been cut under the conservatives. We want to invest in nato and make sure that pa rt invest in nato and make sure that part of our exports in the future is about how we can tackle Climate Change and environment instead of just exporting military and defence, and trying to lead the way in the world about how we can create a more peaceful, Global Society but also recognising there are threats and we have to continue to support nato to support ourselves in britain. 0k, have to continue to support nato to support ourselves in britain. Ok, so there have been reports thatJeremy Corbyn, hes got alliances with people that he shouldnt have, so to speak. You know, my concern is would mr corbyn get up and tell everybody, lam mr corbyn get up and tell everybody, i am 100 supportive of nato and he will do whatever he will need to do to keep this country safe because the british people are the most important and the country is his focus because i dont feel like you would. In 2014just to inform people, before he was labour leader, he did talk about potentially restricting nato, if it didnt restrain its activities hed want to see it resolved. We are committed, let me say 100 , we are committed. Is he . Yes, it is in our manifesto. Has he said it to you . Absolutely. If you wasnt committed, i wouldnt be in his shadow cabinet. Ive got my grandchildren and children and im a working class kid and i understand peoples concerns. Lets not forget we have a report at the moment about russian interference in this country, and the government currently a re this country, and the government currently are restricting that report from being out you have to ask those questions. We are selling arms to saudi arabia at the moment who are a very bad regime, have done some terrible human rights abuses and we have to tackle whats going on globally as well as stand up and say, thats not acceptable but i also understand people will understand we will protect them and keep family safe and we are committed to that and we will maintain that presence in nato and that 2 of gdp spend. Know how youve said that youve heard mr corbyn say he is supportive of nato, i dont think the general public have. That is what i feel we need to hear from him because it is all well and good him saying it to his colleagues. It is the general public he needs to be making that clear too. I understand that point and hopefully have given you a little bit more confidence because i wouldnt serve if that was the case. I wouldnt be inJeremy Corbyns shadow cabinet if i feltJeremy Corbyn was a risk to his country and my children and grandchildren, i wouldnt do it. Thank you very much, kelly. Theo, amelia, jim and leanne, well done. An e mail, i will be voting for no one as i have no faith in the british political system to affect a ny in the british political system to affect any sort of meaningful change with regards to the man on the street. Id vote labour but their ma nifesto street. Id vote labour but their manifesto is far too ambitious to achieve and potentially only in four yea rs. Achieve and potentially only in four years. You must have heard that along date mac lot. People are saying youre promising too much. Brief response, do you agree . After the Second World War the country was bankrupt. We reinvested in the country, borrow to do it, we created the welfare state, the nhs, we did it. Our economy is stagnating, we need to re divest our economy into the emerging technologies of the future. We are at a crisis point. Are you promising too much . |j future. We are at a crisis point. Are you promising too much . I dont think we are at all. We are ambitious for this country and i dont apologise for that at all. Applause social care lets move the microphone around. I want to get peter in do you want to pass the microphone to rob . Are you with us . The whole thing is just. Showing. What has been going on. What is it . We are getting tired and everybody is repeating what they are saying. The same mantra is being repeated by the politicians that we have had thrust down our throats day m, have had thrust down our throats day in, day out. There is going to be much change. Why do you say that, peter . Basically because they know if they get back in power they dont wa nt to if they get back in power they dont want to change. Is that strictly true . Yes. It is what theyre really saying is we will get anything to get back power, and a lot of them have been saying anything. And, so, we just have been saying anything. And, so, wejust wonder. Have been saying anything. And, so, we just wonder. Do you mind have been saying anything. And, so, wejust wonder. Do you mind me asking how old you are, peter . wejust wonder. Do you mind me asking how old you are, peter . I am nearly 80. Have you voted in every election youve been able to . Yes. What about this one . Like i said, i will probably stay in bed. Why . Applause that will take some effort because i like getting up and getting on with things. Laughter. We all have to reflect on that. Youre right theres a lot of people that feel like that. Let me not try to be partisan about this. I dont believe politicians are going to parliament to get in for themselves. I didnt. We just have a difference of opinions on how we can change the country and i hope people have a bit more aspiration about what our country can be because i do and if i didntl country can be because i do and if i didnt i wouldnt do it. I spend my time away from my kids and my grandchild. Ive seen her 12 times since she was born two years ago but i wanted to turn up and say, yes, my grandma tried her best and she did all she could for our country. I am genuinely sorry you feel that way about the way things are in politics. The expenses scandal showed a lot of people are there for the gravy train. You skim them off and theres a bunch of people who, although youll say theyve got the country at heart, they are just trying to get on the gravy train. Politics is an easy, its complicated. We are coming out here to try to make it sound easy, and thatis to try to make it sound easy, and that is why messages are short cut and easy. How can we make it more transparent . I agree. You dont have to make it easy. All these people are highly intelligent, they understand most of them will know what im talking about. They dont say they dont trust the politicians for no reason and i know very complicated things, i paint pictures, i make decision after decision every day. I find it quite easy because im used to doing it. Peter, the voters are far more savvy than perhaps some of us politicians give us credit for. You dont give them a lot of credit because a lot of things you said are repeats of things youve said. Im sorry but you did. Applause iamon applause i am on the bbc you must forgive me for repeats. What im going to say on that is that once weve got brexit done, which is a repeat. You cant do that your timetable for brexit isnt true. It is going to ta ke for brexit isnt true. It is going to take years to get brexit through. Youre just trying to open the door. Just a crack. Weve got the Withdrawal Agreement there. And if we get a majority government. And we only need one date mac nine losses to do that. There you go, you are off. Boris johnson got his deal through and then withdrew. You got it, then Boris Johnson through and then withdrew. You got it, then borisjohnson withdrew it. You withdrew the deal. You guys voted against the programme motion. Why did borisjohnson not vote for theresa mays deal . Be honest. Your party is very split about it and brexit cannot be easily done and that misleading slogan is exactly why people feel fed up. Youre promising something which is not easy. Everybody said boris couldnt get a bot date mac better deal and he got a better deal in brussels. You didnt get a better deal in my opinion. It is ready to go if we get the majority, peter, which is why i said in my one minute splurge, we can focus on the priority as everybody else has been talking about. But we dont believe you the youth service, communities, theres got to be a future for young people. We had one thing that is important to me which is trust. Hang on, nigel. Peter and mr evans, sorry. Peter said he doesnt believe you. We have a whole list of things, that all your parties have misled people about. The americans call them alternative facts. British people call them lies. I wont go through them all, you know what were talking about. Everybody has done it to a greater or lesser extent. I want to know why you do it. I do as well, id like to know why you do it. Applause myjob is to try to fact check the election for the bbc. Theres always been spin and its right politicians should have the chance to persuade you of their opinion. 0ne should have the chance to persuade you of their opinion. One thing that has changed, and it has over the la st has changed, and it has over the last couple of years, no matter how much people like me say that number isnt right, on things like social media they can still be pumped out every day on facebook and twitter and all these other platforms, so these numbers go out there and checked and we heard where we started from, people are disappointed, people dont believe what they are hearing and that is a real problem. Youve got to understand. Why do you do it . First of all, on our numbers, there is an an date mac independent body which says our numbers stack up. Im not talking about the manifesto. Back and forth the stuff that has been misleading, the dodgy leaflets, the things youve made look like newspapers, passing us off. I said i wouldnt do that but if you immediately go to a point where you provoke me into doing that. All i am asking is why. Because you put your best foot forward and sometimes your best foot forward and sometimes you go up to a certain limit. That is probably not acceptable. That is quite an admission. If you are proud of your policies, then you can just be truthful about them. of your policies, then you can just be truthful about them. I agree. And i need to sort of be challenged personally when ive said something personally when ive said something personally that wasnt true. So we are talking about a party puts out a headline and then a member of that party you support that party, and the headlines that are being out there. But id need to be personally challenged by anybody, including amelia, because i wasnt a member of the Coalition Government and i didnt make any promises and pledges, but i am very, very careful about making pledges in this election because i need to know how ican election because i need to know how i can deliver something, and connoisseur, personally, i havent made a pledge i couldnt hold. Ben macpherson, why do you do it . Not you personally necessary. This gets to the heart of one of the biggest point of this election. What is the answer . It is about. That need for quick information and everyone to be on the pulse and succinct is part of the challenge. That is a fair point. But im not asking you to come up with numbers or any gotchas. I am asking you why are politicians sometimes pushing it . Our Public Discourse and icy public rather than political, is demanding very immediate pieces of information, rather than allowing the space and creating the space to discuss together in good faith. Why cant you tell the truth . The need to tell the truth prevails in all circumstances. We seem to be upfront and honest in what we do. But also people want to know. The facts on social media, they want it on the front. When are you going to stop it . Please answer the question. We have said, and boris has got all 635 candidates. , not a question about brexit. Dont get frustrated with me. It has come up with undecided voters today. When you ask why are politicians lying, we are not lying. Idid not politicians lying, we are not lying. I did not say that, i said why have there been misleading statements . I have there been alternative facts, untruths, wire, and when are you going to stop it . As far as we are concerned, we put our manifesto at there, and if we get a majority on thursday, in the last thing we want is another Hung Parliament, i have sat there for the last two years of staring at a parliament that has been completely paralysed. If we get that majority, then we will get that brexit done on the 315t. We will get extra Police Officers, we will control our immigration levels. 0k. We are not misleading. control our immigration levels. 0k. We are not misleading. I wasnt going to go there, but we could talk about the promise for 50,000 nurses, when we notice and with 31,000. The retention of nurses means that at the end of the period, weve got 50,000 more. You cannot guarantee retaining 19,000 nurses. That is why we are looking at bursaries to make sure that nurses in the service stay in the service. Because we have an explanation of what doesnt happen when you people entering the country . Peter, you have been immense. Applause the only reason i am pausing because its 11. 00 to the only reason i am pausing because its11. 00 to bring people be news, if that is all right. And in the final half hour of the programme, we will talk about some of the policy issues that are important to your families, including education, crime, which we have touched on already, but a bit more of that. Its 11. 03, im victoria derbyshire, and four days before you vote in the 2019 general election, were live in crewe. We practised that we have a0 people who mostly say they havent finally made up their mind about how theyre going to vote on thursday. Whatever decision they make, whatever decision you make, its going to influence our country for decades to come. This morning undecided voters here have told us why they havent been able to yet make up their mind. When you look in the newspaper or turn on the tv, all they are doing is backbiting, assassinating each others character. It is all about what they cant do and what they wa nt to what they cant do and what they want to do, rather than someone standing up and saying this is what i will do. It hasjust standing up and saying this is what i will do. It has just become very tedious and boring. i will do. It has just become very tedious and boring. I mightjust go to the box and stick any box and because of the fact that i am not hearing what i need to be here and. Tick any box. And they tell us truth has been a casualty in this Election Campaign more so than in previous uk elections. Ido i do not have much courage at the moment, because i dont believe anything that the main politicians are telling us. Ijudge it on the person, and how they handle themselves, and ive been very disappointed. What they are really saying is, we will say anything to get back power, and a lot of them have been saying anything. In the next half hour, well discuss schools and crime. We will also be talking about social care. Please get in touch wherever youre watching this morning. Lets get a quick news update with carrie. In the last hour, the World Anti Doping Agency has unanimously voted to ban russia from all major Sports Events for four years, after the country manipulated laboratory doping data. Five people have died and several others are missing when i volcano erupted in new zealand. The eruption on white island, happened just after two oclock local time. 23 people have been rescued but they warn conditions are hampering the search operation. The volcano is unstable. The physical environment is unsafe for us to return to the island. Election years, John Mcdonnell will promise to deliver a budget to end austerity in a speech setting out labours priorities for its first 100 days in government. The conservatives are also pledging to increase public spending but not on the same scale. Asjohnson is touring brexit voting labour held seats in the north of england today with three days to go before polling day. In a speech later in sunderland 61 of which voted leave the parameter is expected to tell voters the labour party has led them down. Mrjohnson will also travel to south england where he will warn against voting for the pro eu liberal democrats. A quick spoiler warning. If you are not watching last night but after spending three weeks in a strain of the queen of the jungle and winner of this years im a celebrity get me out of here has been crowned. The winner of 2019 im a celebrity get me out of here and the new queen of the jungle is jacqueline she says she brought the series to a close. Thats to some revenues, is about victory. We have representatives from all the major parties, and nearly a0 undecided voters, and you have had some of the reasons they have not made up their minds, and the spread of parties that they are wavering between is really interesting. So reading about the people here today, we know that health, social care, crime, brexit are issues that people ca re crime, brexit are issues that people care about, perhaps because they have a personal experience or work at or whatever it is. Perhaps you think it is important for the country as a whole. So lets spend a few minutes talking about those issues. Rob will kick us off on social care. I have two elderly pa rents social care. I have two elderly parents in their late 80s with health care complex needs. My father in particular has to rely on social ca re in particular has to rely on social care for his personal care. The biggest concern i have is the amount of time that the attendants have with my parents. I certainly do not feel it is enough. And over the last nine years, we have seen the reduction in the budgets for social care. Iam really reduction in the budgets for social care. I am really interested to find out what plans the tories, lib dems and labour have to try and increase it and get it to a level they are going to feel comfortable. We depend on the services out there, soiam we depend on the services out there, so i am interested to hear what people have to offer. so i am interested to hear what people have to offer. I would like you to answer concisely with your plan on social care, angela rayner. It was an issue that brought me into politics in the first place, i was a home help, and many of the girls i worked alongside home help, and many of the girls i worked along side that lost their jobs and did not have the time to care. That was very frustrating once austerity hit. £8 billion has been taken from the social care budget. We will put back over ten billion and put it into free personal care, which will likely save us money in the Health Service, because your elderly relatives should not be on a trolley, getting the care they deserve. They will get a better quality of life taxpayers money, thatis quality of life taxpayers money, that is what we will do. Nigel eva ns, that is what we will do. Nigel evans, what is the conservatives plan . It is a colossal issue and one thatis plan . It is a colossal issue and one that is going to grow, it will have more rather than fewer demands on the future, as we have an ageing population. And as you may remember back to the last election, it fairly costas at the last election when we came up with a half baked idea that did not satisfy anybody. So what we wa nt to did not satisfy anybody. So what we want to do is immediately inject £1 billion extra per year into the social care budget, year on year, plus then get a cross census and we are going to do this immediately, between all the Political Parties, because this is something that affects us all. It is not a partisan issue, it affects everybody, and we wa nt to issue, it affects everybody, and we want to get an agreement between all of us, but with an understanding that nobody should have to sell their own property or home to care for themselves when they get old and frail. So that its good to be our policy in the future. Boris johnson said on the steps of downing street when he became Prime Minister, he had a clear plan, we have prepared to give every older person the dignity and security they deserve. Where is that plan . The plan is £1 billion extra per year straightaway, but we know cash injections in itself isnt going to be enough, and we know that that £1 billion per year extra is not going to be sufficient in five years time, so we have got to find a solution. But he said he had one. We need a solution thatis said he had one. We need a solution that is in the best interest of your pa rents, that is in the best interest of your parents, and indeed me when i grow older. And it is one that we just need to get a solution to. Just to be clear, the clear plan is, we havent got a plan yet, we are on top of the other parties, is that the clear plan . I am not being facetious, i am just trying to. Money, injection. That is not a plan. As a quick fix at the beginning, extra cash is going to help. But are you surprised that plan is not in the manifesto . They will not have to sell their houses, which is important. Then we have to make sure all the parties get together and also outside interested bodies as well, notjust the parties, there are a number of stakeholders here. Would labour make people sell their homes to pay for their care . No, but one of the sad thing is we have seen actually. That is not in your manifesto. No, but one of the sad thing is i have seen but one of the sad thing is i have seenis but one of the sad thing is i have seen is people with compact needs staying in their homes because their family are worried that if they went into appropriate care that they needed that the house would be taken from them. The values of our country is about looking after our older people, and at the moment, they are not being looked after, so we would give a free personal care so that they would be able to get that support in their own homes, and i think that is what is best about our society is when we look after our most vulnerable, it is what got me involved in politics in the first place. My na na involved in politics in the first place. My nana died of cancer and said, if place. My nana died of cancer and said, if i was a dog, you would put me down. Too many of our older people feel like that at the moment, it isa people feel like that at the moment, it is a disgrace for a country that is supposed to be one of the richest in the world. Liberal democrats, a massive shortage of carrots, what would you do about it . The liberal democrats have been seen since last ma nifesto democrats have been seen since last manifesto and before that a penny in the pound of income tax on a progressive tax, so you have to wonder about who makes a contribution. According to the ability to pay, we need to pay an extra tax on health and social. And if you asked the population if the know it is ring fenced and it is going to health and social, people are actually prepared to pay more tax. Again, is there a plan as it is just about putting money into it . Tax. Again, is there a plan as it is just about putting money into mm is about putting money into it, because it has been very severely starved of resources, the whole system, and for that reason, i think we need to be clear who makes a contribution, and it is not good enough tojust contribution, and it is not good enough to just say, the 5 richest people pay for all this. I think we need to be honest with people in this country, that if we need to raise more money, who is good to pay for it and it is probably through taxation. A penny in the pound of income tax is a fair tax. And the snp . We have had free personal care since 2002, when it was brought on by the labour and lib since 2002, when it was brought on by the labourand lib dem since 2002, when it was brought on by the labour and lib dem coalition, the snp has sustained that since coming to government in 2007. We have integrated health and social, and this sea extended free personal ca re and this sea extended free personal care to people who are not just over 65, but who are under 65 and deemed by the local authority to require free personal care. But there was an important point about workforce within robs question, naturally, in scotland, we have 16,000 eu nationals working in the health and social care secretary. And that gets to one of the points in brexit. We in scotland we welcome eu citizens who come to make scotland home, they are part of scotland make huge contributions to many aspects of the economy and our society, including health and social. And one of the biggest negative points of brexit and the things we are most concerned about, that been taken out of the eu against our will, is the end of free movement, because when it comes to health and social, and so many other parts of our society and our economy, freedom of movement has been highly, highly beneficial. From the conservatives point of view, nigel evans, do you think that brexit could be a threat to the nhs and social care in terms of numbers of staff . Absolutely not. And if anything. Whether those people going to come from . More people coming into the comfortable will put further demands on the services. Yes, people in the National Health service. Actually incorrect. And under the nhs visa scheme, we will still be attracting people from the eu and the rest of the world into the National Health service. Somebody over here shouted, not true rubbish, who was that . Peter . Dont apologise, its fine i think you wa nt to apologise, its fine i think you want to come on, and then go to jeremy in a minute. I have two questions. 0ne, jeremy in a minute. I have two questions. One, and social care, how is scotland able to provide free social care to the elderly and the re st of social care to the elderly and the rest of the country not able to do it . Is rest of the country not able to do it . Is there something that the rest of the country needs to look at and see what they are doing in scotland, and therefore implemented . The next thing is, in terms of the nhs, for the referendum, they said there was 350 million per week going to the European Union, and therefore that would be ta ken European Union, and therefore that would be taken back once we leave the eu and the injected into the nhs. So now i dont understand why the nhs is up for debate, and saying there is a possibility that the nhs will be traded. If you have that money that is going to the European Union, and youre saying after they leave you will reinjected, surely some of that france should be allocated to social care. Absolutely spot on, that is exactly what Boris Johnson has promised and pledged to do. And if anything, the figure on the side of the bus now is dwarfed by the extra investment that absolutely needs to be made within the National Health service. The nhs is not up for sale, it is one of the smoke screens that angela and her party have protrude throughout the last four or five weeks of this Election Campaign. I can give you every assurance that the money is going on, the extra nurses, extra doctors, to make absolutely certain, the extra gp appointments, that will be happening thanks to the money we are saving on brexit, plus more of course. John mcdonnell is doing a speech. Cannot name it, sorry, i need a liver to respond to that because of the comment that nigel evans made. We have seen the doubling of the private sector, 10 billion going into the private sector from our nhs. That is money that could be going into our nhs service, but we actually need social care, so free personal care is important. I commend scotland for making sure that that continues. But without a Labour Government in westminster, we will have more austerity, as the afs have said their manifesto is baked in austerity. So we are not to get that investment in social care that we need stop that acute system that we have got in our nhs and the crisis there. Ifs. We will free up money adding that, but we have seen two years of negotiations on pharmaceuticals, so they can put more cost on our drugs. There were negotiations. Discussions. People can see that, there were discussions and people can see that, why would you discuss it if it was not on the agenda . It wasnt a negotiation, nothing was signed. John mcdonnell is doing a speech about what labour would do in theirfirst100 days if they win a majority. You can watch they win a majority. You can watch the full speech on bbc parliament. I am aware we have not got long left, and at some point, i want to ask if any of you are closer to making a decision about how you are going to vote. Butjeremy, iwant decision about how you are going to vote. Butjeremy, i want to hear from you, that is all right. My mp is excellent. But i am leaning towards boris. But what is the deal . I dont know what it is. Can you enlighten me. The brexit deal . Yeah. The brexit deal, the Withdrawal Agreement, we will get out of the European Union before we then are allowed even come under the rules of the European Union, to start to negotiate the trade deal with the European Union. And that implementation period between the end of january and implementation period between the end ofjanuary and the end of 2020, and we will not extend that implementation period, will allow us to do implementation period, will allow us todoa implementation period, will allow us to do a trade deal with the European Union at. Lets let jeremy the respond. The only question is, the deal and not anything else. Respond. The only question is, the deal and not anything elsem respond. The only question is, the deal and not anything else. If you like, it is the divorce relationship between us leaving the European Union, going into an imp limitation period, but during that an fermentation period, we can then start negotiating trade deals that we are barred from doing now. So what is the deal, then . The Withdrawal Agreement . What is it . It means we give certain rights to European Union citizens of remaining within the united kingdom, we have sought rights for uk citizens living in the eu as well, so they are protected. It means that money going to that of the limitation period, everything will remain the same, so that we are in essence still part of the Customs Union until we leave at the Customs Union until we leave at the end of 2020. When we go into that an fermentation period. Once we leave at the end of 2020, the trade deals we have already renegotiated, they will come into effect, we are out of the Customs Union and the Single Market, controlling our own immigration for the first time. Chris morris, will of the uk have a Free Trade Agreement definitely by the end of 2020 . You certainly cannot say definitely. I think even nigel would accept it as an extremely tight timetable to get a deal through an 11 month. Ratifying the deal will take several months, so if you leave at the end of january, youve really only got a few months to do that trade deal. In straight deals are complicated. They can take years. One of the conservatives arguments is that we are starting from pretty much the same place, but the problem is, trade deals are usually about people getting closer together, so you get more friendly as you go on. The government wants to gradually move further apart, the problem i think they will face, as the eu has said, is that the further apart you go from our rules, the less access we will give you to our market. 850,000 ca rs will give you to our market. 850,000 cars coming from germany into the united kingdom, we got a £95 billion deficit, chris, which i believe gives us a very strong advantage going into the negotiations. Are you grunting that at the end of the year, you would not leave that a trade deal in place . We expect, as boris was told he could not get a Withdrawal Agreement within a few months, he got it. And if he doesnt . 9596 of boris Withdrawal Agreement is the same as theresa mays i think that should be emphasised. The dreadful backstop that was to get us trapped in the Customs Union. Why is it better to sell off Northern Ireland . The liberal democrats started the campaign with the booking article 50, to date this and touching tips to having a second referendum. They are all over the place, which is why they are all over the place, which is why the lib dems are tanking in the opinion polls. I want to go back tojeremy. Did the opinion polls. I want to go back to jeremy. Did you the opinion polls. I want to go back tojeremy. Did you hear the answer you needed to hear . No, not really. Briefly, borisjohnson corbyn you needed to hear . No, not really. Briefly, Boris Johnson corbyn will have to have close relationship with europe because of our trading, because of the Northern Ireland problem. We have said that from the start. They are trying to delay and bluster because they know they cannot move away from europe because it isa cannot move away from europe because it is a trading partner. But whether we leave, we have to leave with a deal that keeps us closely aligned with europe. That is the truth, that is what people need to get round, because of the next few years, regardless of who is in power at the end of this week, they will have to come to that realisation that if we are leaving, we have to be closely aligned with europe. Pause, because there are a couple of people who wa nt to there are a couple of people who want to talk about crime. And i can see that the clock is ticking. Hello. Stand up, go for it. Hello, i am very passionate about the crime situation in and around the uk, mostly in london because that is where i am from. I have not heard anything about what is actually going on and what is going to be put in place for it. Because of all the brexit negotiations, talks and stuff that has been happening for the last two, three, four or five that has been happening for the last two, three, four orfive years, underlying issue of young people dying through knife crime as well has not been. That has not been anything put in place to tackle the issue apart from a hearing more police are going to be put on the beat. Myself, as an ex convict that has gone through a lot of rehabilitation, and i am one of the community to show that there is change, and a young person can change, and a young person can change their life around. Because there were youth provisions and youth organisations able to help me. Now there is none of this kind of stuff available. Sorry, i didnt mean to cut you off. Briefly. Basically, what are you putting in place to tackle intervention . I know there was. That the matter, there is not much time left, im sorry. But thank you, good question. Can we start with Ben Macpherson of the snp and then the liberal democrats . Great question. Of course, policing and youth workers devolved to the scottish parliament. But we have resolved to do is rather than reduce policing on our streets, weve increased it, we put 1000 extra Police Officers on the street in 2007 i have kept those Police Office rs 2007 i have kept those Police Officers on the street since. We have also tried to protect local Authority Funding as much as possible, meaning that Youth Work Services have been sustained in different parts of scotland to a good extent. Despite facing £1. 5 billion worth of cuts from the westminster government. Also cut we do not have time for also. Scotland, a numberof years do not have time for also. Scotland, a number of years ago, we treated knife crime is a holistic issue and we Violence Reduction unit in glasgow which did amazing work, very successful, and it is great to hear thatis successful, and it is great to hear that is now being considered by other forces and institutions across the uk, because it is a great success. Moving on from that, Trauma Informed Services and prevention is so much better than actually killing it. So the liberal democrats will put a lot in the early years, and making sure the most disadvantaged young people are getting the most support, which is why we need to get up support, which is why we need to get up towards, and when people get into contact with the criminaljustice system, that we dont always just treat them as bad criminals, but understand what they have gone through, that most of them have gone through, that most of them have gone through a traumatic experiences, and look at the approach towards rehabilitation. The briefest of a nswe rs , rehabilitation. The briefest of answers, because i want to know has reached a conclusion about we are going to vote for. Scotland treats my train as a Public Health issue, andl my train as a Public Health issue, and i think that is a good idea, and our Public Services have been decimated, the inequality in society has grown, they will start healing our communities when we fix that. Briefly. When stop and search is necessary , we briefly. When stop and search is necessary, we must take knives off the streets, boris was very successful when he was london mayor in doing that. But investing in Youth Services is important, £500 million in our manifesto going into youth crime. At the beginning of the programme, we started with around a0 undecided voters. I am not naive enough to think that we have necessarily led you to reach a conclusion, but has anybody decided what they are going to do on thursday . If you have, put your hand up thursday . If you have, put your hand up quickly. You need a microphone. Have you made up your mind . up quickly. You need a microphone. Have you made up your mind . I pretty much have made up my mind. I think im ready to go for labour, because they have addressed all of the things that are really important to me, crime, Climate Change. I havent had tories say anything about Climate Change, there only focus has been on brexit. Have you made up your mind. I havent before today. I am not voting forJeremy Corbyn, but lam voting am not voting forJeremy Corbyn, but i am voting for labour. That is all we have time for. I am really grateful, thank you so much, thank you to our politicians. That is it, we are not life from crewe any more. Thank you for your company, whether you are, a good day. Whenever you are. Some very strong winds this morning across the south west of england, through wales and more recently across eastern areas of england. Quite a few showers around this morning, those are fading away, and for many of us, actually not a bad day with lots of sunshine. We will keep the sunshine across most parts of the uk into the afternoon. Still the odd chance of a sharp down the eastern coast of finland. Dry for most of us, and the wind is continuing to ease off into this afternoon. Maximum temperatures, five to nine celsius. Eastern coast of england. Temperatures here could drop below freezing, particularly across eastern parts into tomorrow morning. Further west, not as cold because cloud increasing here, and rain spreading into Northern Ireland and into scotland. That is what links into this area of low pressure, look at the white lines here, we are going to see some strong winds with the weather system as it moves its way eastward throughout the day. We expect to see some girls in coastal areas, gusts of 60, 70 mph around Northern Areas of 60, 70 mph around Northern Areas of wales through Northern England into scotland. The east of Northern Ireland. Heavy rain moving from west to east through the day. The rain intensifying for a time later on across scotland, Northern England, wales, the south west. Winds associated with that, temperatures ten to 13 celsius. But the land of rain will move eastward as we go through tuesday evening. This youre watching bbc newsroom live. Its11am and these are the main stories this morning at least five people have died in a volcanic eruption in new zealand and several remain missing. Police say they do not expect there to be any more survivors. The World Anti Doping Agency bans russia from all Major International sporting events for four years, after it agreed moscow had manipulated laboratory doping data. With only three days to go until polling day, labour promises to deliver a budget to end austerity within100 days if it wins the election. Borisjohnson is spending the final days of the campaign visiting labour heartlands, warning leave voters