Two of amelias best friends are here to talk to us about it. And well be speaking to rap duo krept konan, who have spoken out about Mental Health, their new album and calls to ban drill music. Hello. Welcome to the programme. Were live until 11 this morning. Do get in touch on all the stories were talking about use the hashtag victoria live. First, carrie has the news. Mothercare says it plans to call in administrators for its uk business, putting around 2,500 jobs at risk. The baby goods retailer says its British Stores are no longer profitable enough, losing more than £36 million in the Financial Year to march. Mothercare says its 79 stores will continue to trade as normalfor the time being. Mcdonalds has fired its chief executive after he engaged in a romantic relationship with an employee. The american fast food giant said the relationship was consensual, but all relationships between managers and subordinates are against company rules. Mcdonaldss said steve easter brook demonstrated poorjudgment. Lewis hamilton is celebrating his sixth formula one world title after clinching the championships in the United States grand prix. Second place was enough for the british driver to wrap up his third title in a row. Hes now the second most successful f1 driver of all time and needs to win just one more championship to match Michael Schumachers record haul of seven. Health bosses in england have urged politicians not to use the nhs as a political weapon during the lead up to the general election. The National Heath service is set to become a key Battle Ground during the campaign. Nhs providers, the organisation which represents health trust leaders, has warned parties not to make empty promises or create Unrealistic Expectations over funding. Mps will elect a new speaker of the house of commons today, following the retirement ofjohn bercow. Order order mr bercow stood down last week after ten years in the role. Therell be a vote in parliament to decide his successor this afternoon. The eight contenders include the Current Deputy speaker, Lindsay Hoyle and former deputy Prime Minister harriet harman. The last leader of the soviet union has warned that tension between russia and the west is putting the world in colossal danger because of the threat of Nuclear Weapons. Mikhail gorbachev was speaking to our moscow correspondent, steve rosenberg, to mark 30 years since the fall of the berlin wall. Translation all nations should declare, all nations, Nuclear Weapons must be destroyed. To save ourselves and our planet. Now back to victoria. Thank you. The parents of harry dunn, who was killed after being knocked off his motorbike are today urging the Crown Prosecution Service to bring charges against Anne Sacoolas, the American Woman who was behind the wheel of the car that killed him. Northamptonshire Police Confirmed on friday that they had passed on their evidence to the cps and are now waiting to see if Anne Sacoolas will face charges. She left the uk claiming diplomatic immunity after the accident and so far, us authorities have ruled out extraditing her. Harrys parents have started legal action against the Uk Foreign Office and Northamptonshire Police and are also planning to sue Anne Sacoolas and the Trump Administration. Lets talk now to harrys pa rents Charlotte Charles and tim dunn and to their lawyer radd seiger who is in the us. I want to ask you, if you feel you are getting any closer to justice for you son . Yeah, we do. I think it is baby steps all of the time, but we are getting closer. It feels like things are moving in the right direction in comparison to where we we re direction in comparison to where we were a few weeks ago. We are just going to keep trudging along with it and carry on doing everything we can. There is one newspaper today, the the guardian, reporting that british and american officials have begun talks to explore the possible extradition of Anne Sacoolas. Do you know anything about that, do you know anything about that, do you know if that is true. No, the same as you, we see it this morning in the papers. We havent been told anything official about that. The interview that Northamptonshire Police have done with Anne Sacoolas, has been passed to the Crown Prosecution Service and youre waiting to see if they will bring charges, how confident are you that they will press charges . charges, how confident are you that they will press charges . I think they will press charges . I think they have got to, with the evidence that we know about, as a family, with the cctv and with her admitting twice to police, i cant see how there cant be charges brought. There is so much evidence geps her. Against her. Do you agree . Yes there is lots of evidence and it would be ludicrous not to bring charges when there is that much evidence for the Crown Prosecution Service to see. If charges are brought, what happens then, does that mean automatically Anne Sacoolas comes back to the uk, it is volu nta ry . Sacoolas comes back to the uk, it is voluntary . We assume it is volu nta ry. Voluntary . We assume it is voluntary. A court date would be set. It is voluntary for her to attend. If she didnt, we hope an extradition order would be applied for. But of course President Trump could still say no to that. So we are keeping ourfingers crossed could still say no to that. So we are keeping our fingers crossed that she volunteers to come back so the police dont have to put in the extradition order. When you went to the white house, at the time, President Trump said there would be no extradition. Yes. Yes, well. Robert obrien said that she would never return to the uk when we was in there. It was a strange meeting, because they tried to set up this meeting with ann that we didnt know about. We wanted it to be done properly. You still stand by the decision . Yes, you know for her sake as well as ours and her children, you cant possibly be thrown into a room unexpectedly with the feelings that we have got, the feelings that shes probably got, just isnt right. It is just completely the wrong setting. We didnt even know we we re wrong setting. We didnt even know we were seeing him until we got there. So we dreamt up all different scenarios we could face and we thought of most ludicrous one and it turned out to be the case. We said no matter what pressure they put us under we knew that wasnt the right setting. Donald trump spoke to lbc last week and he said he would look at all the facts before make a decision on whether Anne Sacoolas should be extradited. Does that sound positive or not . It is positive in the fact that harrys still in his mind. Tim certainly feels that way. With all the things the president has going onf feels that way. With all the things the president has going on f he still has time to talk about harry and the case, im still hopeful that it is in his mind, he must be thinking of the solution. Hopefully the right one to send her back. Let me bring in yourfriend, your spokesman on occasion. Tell us about the action to sue the Trump Administration and Anne Sacoolas, what is the thinking there . So thank you, so the first one, the claim against Anne Sacoolas is a perfectly standard claim that any family would bring, it is what you would call a personal injury claim to claim compensation. That is a standard one. The unprecedented claim, which is occupying most of my week here in washington, is suing the Trump Administration for what we are calling lawless misconduct and flouting of International Conventions and rules and laws in relation to diplomatic immunity. It is clear to everyone now that Anne Sacoolas never had diplomatic immunity. She should never have been allowed to leave. I cant think of a single Government Agency involved in is in that has covered itself in glory and in fact the opposite. We are intent, oryour glory and in fact the opposite. We are intent, or your parents there are intent, or your parents there are intent, or your parents there are intent to expose that misconduct and we believe there is a cover up. I think you know the parents are well aware that this started off as a campaign to getjustice for harry, but the more we have lifted up the rocks and crawled under, the more we have smelt a rat. We havent caught the rat yet. But with ecan hear it and we are going to catch it. When you say you smelled a rat, what do you say you smelled a rat, what do you mean . Well, look, just very simply, it cannot ever be right that someone simply, it cannot ever be right that someone who is involved in a serious collision, a serious crime, that somebody is then just you know Spirited Away back to the United States to leave this family devastated like that. You dont need to bea devastated like that. You dont need to be a lawyer to understand that is not right. So the Trump Administration in pulling this family back, attacking britains right as a sovereign nation to impose its own laws on visitors in the uk is what this is all about. It is absolutely unthinkable what this administration did and im told here this is perfectly standard behaviour for this administration. But you know what they didnt bargain for was tim and charlotte who are very principled, dignified people, who believe in right and wrong, as did harry and they have crossed the line with this. Decision that they made and we are going to expose it. Charlotte, tim, youve also reported Northamptonshire Police, your local force, to the police watchdog. How do you think they have handled this . Poorly so far. Why do you say that . We have had very, very little contact with them. Their dates for waver and stuff they have requested over the nine weeks dont add up with the dates we have been given and what the government are giving us. And what the government are giving us. Nothings quite right. We were told by the police that there was a less tha n told by the police that there was a less than i told by the police that there was a less than 1 chance of getting a conviction at the beginning of our campaign. We just dont think thats right. They have just wanted us i think to go away quietly and accept this diplomatic immunity that we. Didnt really believe she had. Never believed it. Never believed it back then and we still dont now. Just then and we still dont now. Just the contact with them has been really poor. We were due to have a couple of meetings with them. We chose to capsle cancel one the day after the press conference, with the chief constable. It happened on our programme. Yes, because which were hoping to get some answers from him at the meeting. And we had an e mail saying that no answers would be given. He is only coming to express his condolences. That was seven or eight weeks too late just to have his condolences expressed. We had no idea of the press conference he had done and we were surprised when they said they were going over to interview her under caution at her request. And also shocked that we would bow down and our taxpayers money would pay for them to go to the United States to do that. She should have been brought back here for that to have been done. There was so many things thatjust done it add up. Things that arent right. Was so many things thatjust done it add up. Things that arent rightm has been poor. The communication has been poor. And there was the tweet that he tweeted that upset us. He tweeted that your action against Anne Sacoolas for civil damages was sad but predictable. He deleted that not long after. What did you think of that . Well, itjust makes it feel a bit personal, because we are questioning what the police are doing, to me it feels like it he doesnt like what we are doing so he has made it personal. I think that is not very professional of him to do that. We are only asking questions that any parents would ask. Absolutely. We have many m essa 9 es ask. Absolutely. We have many messages that we receive for you. James says, i wish the family success and. Alex says, i dont know where this mum and dad get their strength to fight without giving themselves time too grieve. I would have fallen apart first. How are you doing it . For harry really. Because we feel there is so much wrong doing and we need the truth. To be out before we can grieve. There is so many. There are so many things that are not right. We need the truth. We cant grieve until we have the truth. And you know, for the sake of harrys legacy and everyone else that this could possibly happen to, we couldnt live with ourselves if it happened again and we hadnt tried. 100. To do something. That is where we are getting our fight from. Thank you both very much for come on the programme. Still to come we speak to friends of the backpacker Amelia Bambridge who drowned in cambodia who, along with her family have been devastated by photos of her dead body being shared on social media. And mobo Award Winning south london rappers krept and konan will be here to talk to us about their second album, running a restaurant and whether drill music should be banned. Dont weaponise the nhs. Thats the message from the Health Service to all Political Parties ahead of the december election. The organisation that represents nhs trusts in england has called for greater honesty about the failings of the service and for realistic proposals on how to tackle them instead of empty promises of cash to win votes. Heres just a couple of examples of statements political leaders have made about the nhs that havent quite stacked up. Borisjohnson made this pledge in september. Actually what were committing to is a programme of 14 new hospitals, starting with six. A0 hospitals sounds great, but its not true. There will not be a0 new hopsitals. The plans include specific investment to upgrade six existing hospitals over five years, and the further 3a hospitals again, which already exist are sharing £100 million in funding. Thats just under three million each not enought ot build one brand new hospital. And what about this from Jeremy Corbyn . Gp numbers are falling, there is a 43,000 nurses shortage in the nhs and its suffered the longest spending squeeze ever in its history. This is true in the sense that between 2010 and 2018, the nhs budget rose by around i. 3 , whereas the average annual rise since 1919 has been higher than that, at around 3. 6 a year. But, last year, more money was announced that will bring the annual increase over the next five years to 3. 4 . Lets talk now to saffron cordery, deputy ceo of nhs providers. What is it that you want over the next six weeks from politicians . As we go into the election, we want to make sure that there is more light than heat in the election debate. We know that its very easy to weaponise the nhs, which is very close to evens heart and we want to see the best for the nhs. But what we wa nt see the best for the nhs. But what we want to see is real real is tick, proposals. We dont want to see big claims that wont come true and we dont want to see announcements that will demoralise the nhs and we dont wa nt will demoralise the nhs and we dont want people saying how bad the nhs is on the front line when we have loyal, hard working is on the front line when we have loyal, ha rd working staff, is on the front line when we have loyal, hard working staff, going into nhs services trying to do their best. In in order to make a promise, dont you have to point out what the reality is at the moment . You do have to point out the reality. Why thatis have to point out the reality. Why that is weaponising the nhs . What we need to see is a situation where we see the problems and we see the Solutions Coming side by side and we need to recognise what our hard working nhs staff are doing. That is the challenge. What we dont want to see is the publics confidence in the nhs being undermined and staffs confidence being under mineded. We wa nt to confidence being under mineded. We want to see fully costed and debated solutions, rather than overblown and overannounced situations. Solutions, rather than overblown and overannounced situationsm Political Parties are going to keep up Political Parties are going to keep up with demand in the nhs, do you know how much they should be promising to spend each year . What ever got o to see is an open and honest debate about how we want to fund our nhs. What we have got to do is see politicians look at the overall direction of the nhs, how they want to run it, what they think needs to be the investment in the nhs. Does that mean taxes going up o National Insurance going up or a different way of running our nhs. Those are the big conversations that we want. We asked trust leaders how they felt about the level of debate about the future direction of the nhs and over 90 said they were not happy with that. So they want a big debate, which is about the responsibilities of the public in this and the responsibilities of politicians and the overall direction of travel, notjust politicians and the overall direction of travel, not just the micromanagement. When you said at the start, we want promises that can be except, of course at this point, we dont know if promises can be kept. That is unrealistic hope isnt . We dont want to see over promises and people voting on the back to you of over promises. What isa back to you of over promises. What is a promise and what is an over promise . What we want to see is politicians talking about what needs to happen in hospitals and other nhs services up and down the country. That is what we want to see. What we dont want to see is something that looks at building new hospitals or looks at building new hospitals or looks at building new hospitals or looks at i dont know car Parking Charges or something that does havent the substance beneath it. What we know is that in our hospital and mental Health Services and community services, we have got big backlog maintenance issues and we have leaking roofs and broken boilers. That is the stuff that needs to be fixed to get the nhs up and running. We do need to see the new investments and it needs to come in things like it infrastructure and things like that. Notjust in the big new shiny baubles. We need to help the public understand what needs to be done in the nhs, rather than focussing on what might be the distant future. Thank you. We can talk now to labour shadow sectary for Mental Health and social care mp barbara keeley. Is labour weaponising the nhs . No, we are pointing out issues. Today we are pointing out the issue of cancelled operations, that is one of the worst things a patient can go through. You get to hospital and you find your operations been cancelled. That is an issue that is worth raising. On your press release, on the number of cancelled operations, you could have look at other figures, the total number of cancelled urgent or elected operations which would have shown the figures are coming down compared to the year before. You are cherry picking figures to suit your argument . No, we are trying to see what the trends are and the trend thatis what the trends are and the trend that is worrying, is the proportion of the cancelled operations for nonclinical reasons and that points out problem. The last speaker talked of problems with maintenance and equipment, that is part of the problem. And the number of cancelled operation is coming down. Do you acknowledge that . Yes, it is the problem when people are psyched up foran problem when people are psyched up for an operation and it is cancelled. How much would labour cut this by a year. That is difficult to predict. Do you have a number . What is important is to get on top of the staffing issues, as the clip you played from Jeremy Corbyn there, we are 10,000 doctors short and 43,000 nurse short. Each of those situations is fixian. There has been fixable. There has been a problem with pension payments for doctors and 43,000 nurses is because recruitment has fallen because of the bursary loss. So can you cut this figures . We have solutions, if you deal the problems of doctors not wanting to take on extra shifts and nurse recruitment. I want to talk about privatisation, it is something that labour says is happening in the nhs. According to the kings fund, an independent think tank, nhs commissioners spent about 7 of their budgets on private or independent providers. And despite what you say about creeping privatise wagss, they say there is privatisation they say there is no indication of an increase in spending on private providers. You are weaponising claims about privatisation arent you . No, i dont think, we have seen an nhs hospital in cheshire advertising treatments that are rationed. Operations like cataracts, advertising you can have those treatments if you pay. That is one example. The kings fund said there no evidence of an increase of spending on private providers increasing. We have the waiting list is doubled and people who dont want to live any longer in pain who then decide to pay. I think we just, labour, you know, we are trying to bring about real change. The waiting list might be longer if the private was not there. The nhs has relied on private providers for decades in Services Like dentistry and pharmacies, are you saying all those areas would come back under the nhs . No we are not saying that. Hang on. Just a minute. There would be still some privatise wagss . We dont want to see hospitals changing the number of beds they have for private and nhs patients. That is what we have seen. Nhs patients. That is what we have seen. We have seen thousands of beds lost to nhs patients, because hospitals have upped the number of private beds. As contracts have come up private beds. As contracts have come upfor private beds. As contracts have come up for renewal, we want to see them backin up for renewal, we want to see them back in the nhs. But there would be a balance. We wouldnt be able to bring everything back straightaway. Some privatisation is ok under labour . That was the case. But it should be changing. The other thing is the legislation that the conservative and liberal democrat government brought. Conservative and liberal democrat government brought. I conservative and liberal democrat government brought. I would like to talk about your policy. Let me say this, the health and social care act pushed nhs providers into a situation where they had to tender and they have had to tender services that should be in house and now Virgin Health care ended up suing the nhs and was paid out of nhs funds. Will radiology and pharmacy services, estate services, will they be run by private providers under a Labour Government . As contracts lapse we will look at bringing them backin lapse we will look at bringing them back in house. You cant change that overnight. Last year the independent sector provided half a million procedures, would labour ban the Health Service from using the providers. We are talk ake providing on the nhs what can be provided and not using wait ing lists to force people to pay. The half a million procedures that the independent sector provided for the nhs, they would be able to carry on or not . We would be able to carry on or not . We would probably over time change the proportion. You dont sound sure. These things cant happen overnight. These things cant happen overnight. The change to a greater privateer provision didnt happen over night and greater private provision didnt happen over night. 9996 and greater private provision didnt happen over night. 99 of nhs patient s didnt happen over night. 99 of nhs patients treated by a private provider would recommend the service. Compared to a 96 average for nhs hospitals. So patients are happy. There is a great deal wrong with private Health Provision in mental Health Services of the one in ten are inadequate. A great deal needs to change. Thank you for talking to us. Friends and family of of Amelia Bambridge, the british backpacker whose body was found off the coast of cambodia last week, have spoken of their shock at discovering images of her dead body circulating on facebook and instagram. They say the social networks were too slow to take the images down. One of her best friends, hannah clark, has told us she has spent the past few days searching for images of amelias body on social media to get them reported and removed. Facebook says they remove graphic content as soon as possible after they are made aware of it. We can talk to hannah clark now who is here with another of amelias best friends, temisis conway. You may find what were going to talk about for the next few minutes upsetting. But it is important to talk about it. Thank you for coming on the programme. Tell our audience what you have discovered in the last few days. On thursday morning i was on my way to work, just after nine oclock, and basically since she went missing, we have been on her Instagram Account to share posts about her being missing, contacting the people she was travelling with, spreading awareness. Somebody messaged from cambodia saying sorry for your loss and i said what you mean . She said have you not seen the |mages . Mean . She said have you not seen the images . They sent me the post and i am sure it is the man who was conducting part of the search to find her. It was a Facebook Post and the best pitch about him on the boat looking out sea and following it was where they found her, the image of her body in the sea, a close up of the tattoo on her arm, but obviously her dead body, and she had been in the seat for sundays, and it was quite graphic and not a nice for anyone to see or share publicly. She had been in the sea for several days. My first call was to her sister not to open her phone. I called her older sister sharon because georgie was asleep. I said i had seen the pictures and i dont wa nt had seen the pictures and i dont want them to be real but i cant see why someone would post that. She saw them and she said i dont know. I said that it has shirt and tie to andi said that it has shirt and tie to and i dont know how you would edit that on to something. And from then we we re that on to something. And from then we were contacted to say there were reports of her body being found. And then herfamily reports of her body being found. And then her family were out in cambodia and they were asked to identify a body. But before they had even seen the body, post about her being dead and images were circulating. When you saw the images, how did it affect you . I wasjust shocked beyond belief. To find out from that, it made me so angry because it is disrespectful to her and her family. Nobody should have to do that. Especially when you just find out you have lost one of the most important people in your life, to know that thousands of people knew before you, who didnt know her, and i sharing it online. I wasjust before you, who didnt know her, and i sharing it online. I was just so angry. I should i sharing it online. I was just so angry. Ishould have i sharing it online. I was just so angry. I should have had time to come to terms with what happened but instead i was immediately on my phone for three to four hours, trying to search a name, seeing if there were any posts to get them reported and removed. Some were removed after a few hours but by that point we dont know who had seen that point we dont know who had seen them. And there have been more posts since. We dont know how many people have saved them and how many there are on there. You saw the images of amelias body. How did it affect you . Just to highlight what hannah says, anyone seeing those images, it is very graphic content and nobody feels good after seeing Something Like that. For me, i didnt see them straightaway but i have seen them coming up through being directly messaged to myself, and directly messaged to georgie, her sister, and seeing them time and time again to stop her from seeing them because she is not in a bid state at the moment and we want to protect her from seeing her sister in this light. Nobody wants to remember their best friend in that way. We want to remember the good times. For me, it was quite shocking. As hannah said, we havent quite processed it and it was the moment of going, oh, this is real. You have tried to contact instagram and facebook who own instagram to get the images taken down. What was it like trying to get in touch with them . It was difficult. When i first reported the post i did not know how long it would be until it would be taken down. Long it would be until it would be ta ken down. Both long it would be until it would be taken down. Both times i try to find the main images that were shared and had the most likes, the woman who shared it on instagram and also on thursday. I tried to find someone higher up to contact and it was impossible. Itjust higher up to contact and it was impossible. It just took you to higher up to contact and it was impossible. Itjust took you to the report centre and you had to report it but there isnt exactly a category that says this is my friends dead body and images have been taken and shared without anyones consent. And on instagram they said it didnt violate their guidelines, a picture of her dead arm. So many people messaged us who had reported it saying instagram have said it does not violate the guidelines which we were gobsmacked by. Their statement to us said her death is heartbreaking and our thoughts go out to her family and friends. We have clear rules on posting graphic content and when we are made aware of it, we remove it. Why would anyone want to share that image . I feel like it is a trophy to the man. I dont feel like it is genuine that he cared and he wanted to help. Maybe partly he did but to share that at all is wrong, but to share that at all is wrong, but to share it even before we were aware of it, on a public page that has thousands of followers, it is inhumane, it is insensitive, i am sure if it was someone close to her, they wouldnt do the same. And also how much in the public eye it is. The only reason i can think for someone the only reason i can think for someone to do this is because for them and get some kind of likes, gratification. It really felt like it was some kind of trophy that he had found amelia. Extremely insensitive to the family and parable to go out posting this before the family have had the chance to declare if this is even the truth. Tell us about amelia. She was my favourite person. I met her when i was working about five years ago at tesco. From the moment we met we we re ago at tesco. From the moment we met we were really close. She would a lwa ys we were really close. She would always go out of her way for anyone, herfamily, always go out of her way for anyone, her family, and that always go out of her way for anyone, herfamily, and that is always go out of her way for anyone, her family, and that is why i always go out of her way for anyone, herfamily, and that is why i am so close to her. She has an amazing family. They are awesome people in the sense that if one person they know cares for you, they will all ca re know cares for you, they will all care for you and get to know you and wa nt to care for you and get to know you and want to be with you. She was such a caring person. To care about animals, the environment, and about us as animals, the environment, and about us as well. She would always be there for me. Whenever i needed anything, she would drive to my house and pick me up. We would go for a drive if i wasnt feeling good. She was a very thoughtful person. She was the best person. How do you rationalise what has happened . I have known amelia since i was three and i have grown up as a family friend and she isjust like family friend and she isjust like family to have someone who has been in your life for so long to now not be its really hard to rationalise. The first time i started to process it was yesterday, and coming on here and seeing the pictures. It has been step by step, trying to piece together for our own sanity as well together for our own sanity as well to look after the familys sanity. It is very hard to process. I dont think we have got to grips with what is going on. And finally what would you say to anybody who thinks it is a good idea to share an image of amelias dead body . What would you say to facebook . I would say they need to have, in extreme circumstances like this, a more Rapid Response to it. Like i said, they cant control when people post things, but it is their responsibility to react to it. And it took a while, the same with instagram. We dont know how many people have these photos. It is out of our hands. The photo shouldnt have been shown in the first place. To the people who shared it, if it was you or someone you know, to the people who shared it, if it was you or someone you know, you wouldnt want that. Social media does create that barrier because it doesnt relate to them. They are less emotional towards it but these are real people. Amelia was a real person and she shouldnt be remembered by these photos. If you didnt know her, you dont have the right to see her like that. That is the image they have of her when there was life before that, a person, and so many people affected by this that love her and care about her. It is just so insensitive and cruel. I think it goes with anything. Take a thought. If you see anything. Take a thought. If you see anything like this, take the thought of where it has come from and the background and how many people this is affecting, as hannah says. Thank you both. I know it has been really ha rd you both. I know it has been really hard but thank you for coming on the programme and paying tribute, hannah clark and temisis conway. The mobo Award Winning rap duo krept and konan released their second studio album, revenge is sweet, over the weekend. Although its only their second album, the rappers have had a very busy year. They co created bbc threes Talent Contest series, the rap game with dj target, they are running their own restaurant and have set up a foundation in south london called positive directions, which provides out of school actitvities for kids. And theyve spoken out about banning drill music which they think will have a negative impact. Before we talk to them, lets watch a bit of their video about this very subject called ban drill. Banning drill, youre making the situation worse. Might as well give them life, or put them in a hearse. Guy couldve been rapping. But now hes still packing a big gun for when his oppositions come clapping. Its a lose lose for him. Ima keep it real, he get shot, he going pale. He shoots him, he going jail. Where were from, you know how hard it is to better yourself. Lets talk now to the men themselves krept and konan. Thank you for coming on the programme. It is called revenge is sweet. What is the story behind that title . People were saying stuff about us and we just wanted the music to be our representation and our reply basically. Revenge is sweet, the best success is music. What kind of people have doubted you . Dont name names you will get a lot of comments, blogs, people uncertain platforms that downplay your achievements and stuff like that. People on certain platforms. And we said we would not say anything and get them back with success, the best form of revenge for anyone that has doubted you. And that goes for anyone in general. Absolutely. I want to ask you particularly about producing this album, krept, because you lost your cousin ina album, krept, because you lost your cousin in a car accident earlier this year. Tell our audience what he meant to you and how this impacted on the making of this album. Cadet andl on the making of this album. Cadet and i were inseparable. We had a dream of making music. He finally got to a place where he had an album in the chart that has gone platinum and he was at the pinnacle of his career and he was at the pinnacle of his careerand in february and he was at the pinnacle of his career and in february he got into a career and in february he got into a car accident and he passed away. We we re car accident and he passed away. We were in the middle of making our album when this happened. It really impacted our album and the process of making the album. We are someone wearing every situation we want to look at the positives and that is how we get through our situation. We said we are going to keep his name alive and do this for him and continue his dream as well as our dream, and that is what motivated us to even get through to finishing the album, because even a year before we lost our friend as well, so this was the second person close to us that we lost during the making of the album. The other friend is nash, who took his own life last year, to talk about him in your track and you talk about him in your track and you talk about Mental Health. Do you think it is important for people like you who are role models to talk about Mental Health . Definitely. Ifeel are role models to talk about Mental Health . Definitely. I feel like are role models to talk about Mental Health . Definitely. Ifeel like a lot of people suffer from it and they keep it to themselves and they are quiet. People are not confident to reach out to people and talk about it. If you are a person listening to music and you hear us talking about it, it will make you think, let me go and express myself. The people i listen to are talking about it so i dont feel scared because the people i look up to our talking about it. You address the situation in the music. Some people feel that it is a weakness to talk about Mental Health issues. 100 and about Mental Health issues. 10096 and we are trying to change that perspective to let people know it is not a weakness. This is the thing called life and we all go through things and have our own battles. We believe that losing a friend to suicide we have got to spread this message and let people know it is ok to talk to somebody and let people know. There is definitely somebody in your life willing to help. Nobody wants anybody to commit suicide. It is about that. An artist we know had suicidal thoughts and was public about that and we thought he was the best person to talk about this before introducing the track. He does a three minute clip of him talking about how he got through his Mental Health and suicidal thoughts. We felt that was the best thing to do. What was the impact on your Mental Health of losing nash and cadet . It was hard going through stuff like that because they were very close to us. We have a group chat we are all in and we had banter every day and now we go in the group chat and their names are not in that they are not here, and it is so weird they are not here making songs. We would play themselves and they would give our advice. It is very ha rd to they would give our advice. It is very hard to get through it and think it is happening. For a lot of time it felt surreal like it wasnt real. We are coming to terms with it now. We even played cadet broski to nash, after he passed away, and now we cant believe we have lost him as well. Wear you down . Definitely, man. That is why it is so important to talk to somebody. We have a support system. If we are feeling down, we let our friends now and they will come and check up on it and see how we are doing. You dont realise how much people care when you let them know. If you show you are vulnerable, it opens you up to their love. Exactly. I want are vulnerable, it opens you up to their love. Exactly. Iwant to are vulnerable, it opens you up to their love. Exactly. I want to ask you about the levels of violence you have witnessed. You have spoken about having a supportive family and community but you have witnessed amazing levels of violence. Your mother was shot and your stepmum was killed. And you have been critical of banning drill music and you know what the commission of the met police, Cressida Dick, has said. If music is inciting gun violence, we have a responsibility to take down those videos. What do you think about that . I feel like it is lazy. We have the foundations, we have gone to the heart of where everything is happening, we have gone to the kids and try to help them, to give them something to do after school, get hands on with them and get involved and distract them from that kind of life. What is lazy about Cressida Dick saying we need to ta ke about Cressida Dick saying we need to take the videos down . That is not the reason why these things are happening. It is not the music by the violence is happening. People we re the violence is happening. People were doing crimes before the music and they will do it after the music. It isa and they will do it after the music. It is a situation that always happens. They tried to ban grime. They always try to ban music and blame it for the things that happen. Dont you think some of those videos incite violence . If you look at when we we re incite violence . If you look at when we were growing up and getting in trouble than we were younger, what happened if they banned our music . We wouldnt be here setting up foundations and restaurants and changing lives and perspectives. You have got to take people out of the situation is to change their situations. They need to focus more on doing that and that is why we set up on doing that and that is why we set up our foundation because we know how much that helped us. We want to get to the root of what the issue is and tackled the deep rooted issue of the violence that is happening, rather than saying it is a bad music. Banning music will not stop someone. Music. Banning music will not stop someone. And you are saying the music is a source of escaping the violence. That is how we got to where we are now, through the music. We come from that background and the music has taken us around the world and taught us about business and given us the opportunity to change our families lives. We cant let them ban that. We have got to speak up them ban that. We have got to speak up and talk about it. Krept, you said going to university was the biggest mistake of your life . Not the biggest it was a mistake . I did graduate and i got my degree, 2 i, in accounting and finance, but when i left it, i didnt learn everything about what i was studying because there were so many different subjects and i felt like there were so many different subjects and ifelt like it there were so many different subjects and i felt like it should have been more practical. By the timei have been more practical. By the time i have left and got my degree in accounting, i feel like time i have left and got my degree in accounting, ifeel like i should know how to be an accountant so i wasted a lot of time doing that. But at the same time there are a lot of people who need to go to university to do whatever it is they want to do. Because i wanted to be a musician, for me going to university was a waste of time. For me. But for a lot of people it hasnt been a waste of time. Fair enough. You got the t waste of time. Fair enough. You got thet waste of time. Fair enough. You got the t one in your back pocket. Move on the 2 1. There is an election coming up. Do you vote . I dont vote. I am going to vote. I need to do my research. Find out who lam need to do my research. Find out who i am supporting. Fair enough. Will you vote this time . Why not . No. I feel like no matter what happens we are in this battle of we shouldnt have voted for this person. I have been really hesitant about putting my vote toward someone. Does that mean you definitely wont this time . It doesnt mean i definitely wont. Ijust it doesnt mean i definitely wont. I just feel it doesnt mean i definitely wont. Ijust feel like. I it doesnt mean i definitely wont. I just feel like. I used it doesnt mean i definitely wont. Ijust feel like. I used to go to vote with my mum and every person that you voted for, they never ever. They that you voted for, they never ever. They never did what they said they were going to do . That is why i feel a bit hesitant. A lot of people know that you are hurt at the radio one extra live event in birmingham. You were slashed. How are you . I am fine. I am good, man. In every situation i look at the positives. It could have been worse. Could it really . I got a report saying if it had been a millimetre deeper, it could have been fatal, so it could have been worse. Where were you slashed . My leg, here. It could have been worse. Just from that i let everybody know this happens to me and let everybody know this happens to me and i am still getting on with it and we are still going to release it and we are still going to release it and do positive things and look at everything positively to let eve ryo ne everything positively to let everyone know that no matter what happens to you, you can look at the positives and get through it and it could have been worse. I am just grateful to be here still. It could have been worse. Thank god. Exactly, thank god. Thank you so much and all the best with the album, which is called revenge is sweet. I havejust kicked my spectacles over the brexit party are set to unveil their candidates for the general election later today. Leader nigel farage told the bbc yesterday he will not be a candidate himself at this general election. Hes stood seven times to be an mp in the past but never been successful. Instead mr farage says he will tour the country supporting 600 brexit party candidates. He has offered not to stand candidates against conservative mps but only if the Prime Minister drops his brexit deal, which mr farage says is worse than staying in the eu and is not brexit. Mrjohnson has turned down mr farages offer. We can talk now to alex phillips, a brexit party mep. Are you going to stand as a candidate in a british constituency . I havent made that decision yet. After this interview i will be meeting a party to discuss various things including that. Do you know if the brexit party will be standing a candidate against borisjohnson in his constituency of uxbridge where he has a majority ofjust over 5000 . It is highly likely. When it comes to announcements like that were holding our cards close to our chat. We giving the conservatives an opportunity. We think forming a Brexit Alliance will be beneficial to get as many bottoms on benches backing brexit. They have turned us down already but we will wait before we Start Playing our trump cards. We will come back to the trump card, that you said it is highly likely that you said it is highly likely that you said it is highly likely that you will stand a candidate in uxbridge. Borisjohnson that you will stand a candidate in uxbridge. Boris johnson has that you will stand a candidate in uxbridge. Borisjohnson has a majority of just over uxbridge. Borisjohnson has a majority ofjust over 5000, so if you stand there, that it might go to labour. Is that what you want . What we wa nted labour. Is that what you want . What we wanted borisjohnson to stop pretending that what he has brought back from brussels is any different to the deal that theresa may brought back which he himself resigned his position over. We want him to stop trying to protect his own party and instead say to people we cant do better. I think he has been able to make some changes, once to the backstop which have infuriated his Coalition Partners the dup from northern ireland. He talked about vassal edge and we wanted to take a deep breath and make sure we get people in that parliament who back brexit and that way he doesnt have to be forced into a corner to try and sell the same awful treaty which will bind the uk for the future and subjugation to the eu just to try and save his own party. |j subjugation to the eu just to try and save his own party. I wonder if nigel farage wants a Hung Parliament. As long as there is a Hung Parliament and potential delays to brexit, it gives nigel farage and your party a reason to continue to exist. I dont think this is about the brexit party needing a reason to continue to exist. In an ideal world we wouldnt have to exist in the first place. If you want to ask about integrity, the meps of the brexit party are actively campaigning to not be any peace and to lose their seats. That is not what it is about at all. Not to be meps. Like a piece of cheese that is in the fridge and has been taken out, after a while it will start to smell quite bad. Boris johnson out, after a while it will start to smell quite bad. Borisjohnson has had some clean air and said it is a new deal and everyone has brexit vetted and everyone wanted to be true and i can see why people are buying into it but it is not true. Brexit fatigue and Everyone Wants it to be true. But people will not forgive him when the ink dries on that treaty and they see what he has done. Isnt it curious that nigel farage will not even stand in this general election . That is not leadership. Curious to you but not to me. I have had conversations with him about this for quite a long time and he has been weighing up how to be best used in this campaign. If you are standing in a constituency, you are standing in a constituency, you are standing in a constituency, you are locked in that constituency and his position of being a leader at large is showing leadership. It is not about him fighting to win his seat but giving a lift up to absolutely everybody else and making sure he is available to communicate regularly with the nation and get people to understand why it is we are Standing Firm and saying to boris, get rid of this deal and we will back you and get brexit done but lets do it properly and not sell it out. Is he afraid to lose foran sell it out. Is he afraid to lose for an eighth time . On one occasion he was beaten by a candidate dressed asa he was beaten by a candidate dressed as a dolphin. I dont know about the dolphin occasion, to be honest he was beaten by somebody dressed as a dolphin. That is before my time, i think. 2010. It is afraid to lose foran think. 2010. It is afraid to lose for an eighth time . I dont think so because ask yourself if the man who was afraid to lose would stand eight times . Out of all of the politicians in westminster and brussels he has the most courage and conviction and that has been demonstrated time and time again. It is very convenient for those who oppose us to paint him as suddenly being lily lebed, that anyone ina as suddenly being lily lebed, that anyone in a real world knows that is not nigel farage at all. Lily livered. How many seats do you need to when he went . M lily livered. How many seats do you need to when he went . It is difficult because of the first past the post system to break into westminster. I think what we are looking at is having a nonaggression pa ct looking at is having a nonaggression pact with the conservatives. If it was not for the existence of nigel farage were 25 years in politics we wouldnt be where we are today for fighting for independence and full sovereignty. The purpose of the brexit party is to constantly keep conservative feet to the fire and what we cannot do is allow the ink to dry on the treaty that will bind the uk to the eu forever. Thank you, alex phillips. We appreciate it. Alex phillips. We appreciate it. Alex phillips, a brexit party nep. We are back tomorrow at ten oclock. Thank you for your time. Bbc newsroom live is coming up next. That morning. A mixture of sunny spells and showers across the uk today given that quite a few rainbows like this one spotted this morning in cornwall. But for some the rain will be more persistent and thatis the rain will be more persistent and that is the case in eastern areas of scotla nd that is the case in eastern areas of scotland with a strong easterly wind here. It feeds in this rain and there could be localised flooding across eastern scotland later. Brighter skies to the west of the mountains and sunny skies for a time in northern ireland, england and wales but also the risk of heavy showers the afternoon, maximum temperature is ten to 13. Tonight the rain in eastern scotland moves further south and there will be rain putting into southern areas with some patchy cloud tonight. Temperatures are not falling particularly low. Six to 7 degrees. To date is quite unsettled again with some rain and showers once again. Tuesday is quite unsettled again. Tuesday is quite unsettled again. Temperatures eight to 12 degrees. Youre watching bbc newsroom live. Its i am and these are the main stories, this morning. Health bosses warn politicians not to use the nhs as a political weapon in the general election, but say a bidding war has already begun. Motherca re announces plans to put its uk Retail Business into administration, putting around 2500 at risk. 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