Transcripts For BBCNEWS Victoria Derbyshire 20240713

Hello, its tuesday, its 10 oclock, im victoria derbyshire. Older people with eating disorders an invesitgation for this programme has found some nhs eating disorder clinics have a cut off age for treatment. What breaks my heart more than anything is i have a little grandson now, hes just two, anything is i have a little grandson now, hesjust two, and it was his birthday the other week and he, you know, wants to give everybody a piece of cake and everything and i cant, ijust piece of cake and everything and i cant, i just cant piece of cake and everything and i cant, ijust cant do it. Well talk to sylvia barr, who was diagnosed with anorexia in her late 50s. Boris johnson will urge mps to back his brexit deal again today, in a final attempt to get the uk to leave the eu by the end of the month. Here it is heres the draft legislation. There is a lot of it, it is dense, opaque, incomprehensible in some cases. Here is the housing secretary. Actually, what they are really saying is we dont want to leave the eu at all, we want to drag this out, create more delay and division, the sorts of things the public are sick of hearing. It is clear what parliament want, they do not want no deal, borisjohnson has been trying his best to subvert that and not carry out these actions. And thejob shaming of actors katiejarvis was outed on the front of a tabloid after going from this. Stop it what are you going to do . . To working as a Security Guard in a discount shop in essex. Well talk to her live. In her only interview, she says she was made to feel ashamed. Hello, welcome to the programme. Were live until 11 this morning. Really important report in a few moments. Older people with eating disorders, something constantly associated with young people and teeenagers. If you are an older person with anorexia or bulimia let me know if its been recognised or diagnosed, and how easy or otherwise its been to get treatment. First Annita Mcveigh has the news. Northamptonshire Police Officers will travel to the United States to interview a woman who left the country after being involved in a car crash which killed a teenage motorcyclist. 19 year old harry dunn was hit by a car driven by Anne Sacoolas who was driving on the wrong side of the road. She returned home after being interviewed by police, who were told she had diplomatic immunity. The police are due to hold a News Conference shortly well bring that to you live. Mps have accused the government of trying to rush brexit legislation through the commons. Later today, theyll vote on a proposal to speed the withdrawal bill through the commons by thursday night if the timetable is rejected borisjohnson will struggle to get the legislation approved in time for the uk to leave the European Union by october 31st. There are calls for changes to how older people with eating disorders are treated. Some clinics only help people up to the age of 65. The Royal College of psychiatrists has told the bbc that care should be standardised beyond that. The nhs says theres no age limit for care and that its investing more money into improving Community Mental health services. Audit firm ey, which signed off on thomas cooks Financial Health before its collapse, also wrote a report used to award its former boss a £5 million bonus. The bonus, paid to former boss manny fontenla novoa, followed a heavily criticised 2007 merger with mytravel. Senior ey staff will appear later today before a panel of mps investigating thomas cooks colla pse. The audit firm, which also the audit firm, which also faces an investigation by the Financial Reporting council, declined to comment. Legislations come into effect in Northern Ireland, meaning abortion and same sex marriage are now legal. Unionist parties, who oppose the liberalisation, triggered the recall of the Stormont Assembly but attempts to block the changes failed. The first same sex weddings could now take place as soon as february next year. The government is analysing plans to give electric cars special green licence plates to encourage more people to switch to zero emission vehicles. Ministers say the scheme could encourage more people to make the switch from petrol or diesel by allowing perks to be offered, like access to bus lanes. And finally, japans Emperor Naruhito has formally proclaimed his ascension to the throne in an elaborate ceremony. The emperor, who is 59, officially began his reign in may after the abdication of his father, the then emperor akihito. But, after a series of traditional rituals inside the imperial palace in tokyo, his ascension has now been formalised. Thats a summary of our main news so far. Back to you, victoria. This year in a tv first we broadcast live from a specialist eating disorders project in halifax. After that programme, lots of you got in touch to tell us about the problems older women have with getting treatment. Now weve discovered that if youre a pensioner with an eating disorder, you could face discrimination in some parts of the country when it comes to getting treatment thats despite nhs england telling us specialist clinics are open to all ages. We investigated the treatment on offer at 49 specialist adult eating disorder clinics in england three said they had a cut off age of 65 for treatment, while two others had a cut off at 80. Two other clinics have now changed their website after we contacted them to remove reference to an age limit. The Royal College of psychiatrists is now calling for the same standard of care for all ages across the country. The college exclusively told this programme that older people with eating disorders face Serious Problems around under diagnosis and symptoms being overlooked. Thats down to a mixture of lack of awareness, stigma and generational attitudes to mental health. Anna adams and producer meghan owen have been to meet three older women suffering from eating disorders. Gillian hayes is 64 and shes dangerously underweight. Shes been living with anorexia on and off since her teens, but its got much worse as shes got older. What breaks my heart more than anything is i have a little grandson. Hes. Hes just two. And. It was his birthday the other week and he wants to give everybody a piece of cake and everything. And i cant. Ijust cant do it. I basically. I nowjust live on supplements drink supplements. That provides me with half my calorie intake a day, and the other half is with food. So i dont eat, really, much during the day at all. The first signs of an eating disorder began when she was at drama school in london in the 60s. We had a ballet teacher there who said, none of you will ever get on because youre all too fat. Youve all got to lose weight. And its still ringing in my ears now. Gillian said herfour children have really helped to keep her alive, but even socialising with herfamily, she says, can be a real struggle. I cant enjoy social occasions where theres food involved. And people say, oh, you know, is something wrong . They wouldnt imagine i had an eating disorder because at my age, who gets eating disorders . you know, its a teenage. Isnt it . A teenage. Disease. Gillian, like many other older people we spoke to with an eating disorder, doesnt feel like the right kind of treatment is available. I can honestly say the eating disorder has been. Has been worse in later years. And ive been in and out of hospital since the age of a0. At least five, six times. Ive been sectioned three times. Gillian now gets weighed once a month by her gp. If her weight drops any lower, shell be taken straight back to hospital. But she says thats not the answer. I dont think it would do an older person to go into an eating disorder unit with a lot of youngsters. Why not . Because i think. In a way, you feel youre in the wrong place. Theyve got their life ahead of them now. Sylvia was almost 60 when she was diagnosed with anorexia. And, like gillian, shes worried about what kind of treatment will be available as she gets older. You know, im coming up 63. There are no services for me beyond the age of 65. What happens to me, you know, if i decline and i become unwell . Lots of nhs trusts dont offer any specialist eating disorder care to the over 65s, so sylvia could be treated in a general geriatric ward instead. She thinks her problem started when she was pregnant in her 30s. You see your body getting bigger. Id had a problem with increased weight as a teenager. Id always battled with it. Id always dieted to lose weight. Id very much wanted to be pregnant. And it had been difficult to put that weight on and to feel big again. Sylvia says she managed to stay healthy while her son was young, but when he left home her anorexia really took hold. She became so unwell that she had to leave herjob as a social worker. I was weak. I really didnt have any energy. I was in bed a lot. And i really wasnt eating very much at all. And what would your typical food intake be . Its hard to. Its hard to pinpoint you know, it would vary depending on what i would allow myself to eat. She was admitted to a specialist anorexia clinic for two months, where she was fed through a nasal tube. When she tried to leave, she was sectioned and it was at that point she thought about taking her own life. Its hell. Its. You think of. You almost get past thinking about the people youre leaving behind because you do get into a state of theyd be better off without me. All i could see was my son witnessing me dying. Like a living corpse covered in bedsores in a bed. And i did not want him to witness that. Sylvia feels like she was treated differently at the clinic because of her age. I was discharged after quite a short period, compared to a lot of other patients who had been in the service for many years. Those over 50 particularly were being discharged. I think it was age related. If i got really unwell again i think i would probably die thats the long and the short of it. Well, anorexia only accounts for 10 of all eating disorders. So its actually relatively rare especially among older people. So, in fact, if youre middle aged, youre far more likely to be a binge eater. Im in dorset to meet angela. She describes herself as a binge eater. Shes 57, but shes had issues with food since she was very young. When i was a child, my problem started. I remember taking quite a lot of bags of crisps and everything and making crackers and cheese, wrapping them up in foil and hiding them up in my bedroom. She says she thinks about food all the time. Ill go out into the kitchen and then im like, oh, i just want to eat today. I can go to the shop and its like a planned thing sometimes with me. So i go to the shop and if theres, like, cream cakes or Something Like that, i think, i want that one and i want that one and i want that one and i want that one, and ill buy it. Angela says shell typically binge on whatever she can find in the house, and it can last all day. I had a chinese meal for two and id had about six packets of crisps. Id help myself to cashew nuts and then id gone into the sweet jar and its like i go all day until i have to go to bed. Sometimes im totally like, why am i doing this . And then i start to be like, i hate myself. Why have i ate so much . Angela has never been diagnosed as having an eating disorder, and her gp told her it was probably just the menopause. Like sylvia and gillian, she thinks her age has also stopped her getting the treatment she needed. Nobodys ever helped me. Nobodys told me that theres somewhere i could go to get help with this. If i realised why i was doing it, then perhaps it would make me stop doing it. Lets speak now to sylvia barr, who you saw in the film, who was diagnosed with anorexia in her late fifties. Dr ravi rana is a Consultant Clinical Psychologist who is developing a new Adult Eating Disorder Service at the east london Nhs Foundation trust. Cari rosen is editor of the online forum gransnet and agnes ayton, is a leading specialist in eating disorders at the Royal College of psychiatrists. Sylvia, diagnosed with anorexia in your late 50s. Now 62. How difficult has it been to access treatment . Initially there are long waiting times from being with third, and once you have accessed the service, there does not seem to be therapies available to you and everything seems to be the treatment pathway being geared up to younger patients, so being geared up to younger patients, soi being geared up to younger patients, so i think staff are quite often at a loss to know what to do with an older person with eating disorder. What do you think about that . It is apparent that further training is needed and this one size fits all attitude does not necessarily. It should not be that way, as an older person with an eating disorder i am ata person with an eating disorder i am at a different stage of my life, i have different responsibilities, different issues relating to my age, andi different issues relating to my age, and i think the Service Needs to be targeted more specifically for the needs of the older person with the eating disorder. Cari from gransnet, how big is this is an issue . A other research said that 77 of the readership were unhappy with their weight and 15 identified as having some form of eating disorder. I wonder what you think, agnes, about the fact that a small number, it is a minority but a small number have this cut off limit for older people when it comes to treatment for eating disorders . I think that is due to historical commissioning arrangements. As a faculty we welcome nhs englands new commissioning guidance which is meant to address these inequalities. However, implementation has not started yet so it will take some years before the situation can really change for everyone. Do you think it is a scandal or not . It is extremely frustrating from the clinicians point of view and the patients point of view, because there should be equality of access regardless of age. Jade says i was diagnosed with anorexia at 37, i felt stigmatised enough at because it seems like a teenage problem, i cant imagine how older men and women feel, and chait says well done for speaking out. Margaret says why is it never realise that people might have eating disorders beyond the 70s . My late mum had anorexia for three and a half years before she died aged 90 and nobody in the medical problem accepted she had anything disorder. I suffered along with her until she died of organ failure. Hope says thank you for raising awareness, such an important topic and one often ignored. My grandmother died from anorexia in her 70s because Health Workers gave up her 70s because Health Workers gave up on her. Those are really Shocking Stories . They are, yes. I think one of the things that has happened over time has been an enormous focus on younger people developing eating disorders and then dying at a young age, that is what has hit the news and captured attention and resources have been targeted there, so there are now much more services for young people and now we are shifting to putting resources in four adults and older adults specifically. putting resources in four adults and older adults specifically. If it ta kes older adults specifically. If it takes the time, as agnes has explained, what is the impact on people like sylvia and others . They failed to get services, meaning they deteriorate, exactly what sylvia is talking about, they have no quality of life, their physical health gets worse and eventually something worse could happen. They could die . Exactly, they could die. What has to change, and when . The stigma needs to be removed and people need to understand that the one size fits all thing does not work. Where do you think the stigma is coming from when it comes to older people with eating disorders . I think we have grown up with the idea that eating disorders are bad and people are ashamed. A huge amount of people that we spoke to said they were too embarrassed to seek help, showing it isa embarrassed to seek help, showing it is a real problem, so we need to make it accessible. We need to understand that everybody is different and the reasons why an older person might suffer from any form of eating disorder are entirely different to those of a younger person. Sylvia, do you think that is true . I think there are definitely similarities, but in terms of a younger person with an eating disorder, the general images that it is related to peer pressure, fashion media etc, and i think with an older person it is much more complex than that, ian not saying that its the reason for eating disorders in the gun but the association is there, but when you get to my age, early 60s, but when you get to my age, early 605, it but when you get to my age, early 60s, it is not about any of those things, it is a real ingrained behaviour, it is a coping mechanism, it is something you feel you have control over when you feel perhaps that your life is getting a bit out of control. As was said before, and tina syndrome, your children have left home, you are coming to the end of your working life or not working because of your illness, you get into a cycle where you feel it is the only thing you have control over. I think it is a deep psychological symptom. The control thing, having interviewed many younger people with eating disorders and done live broadcasts from a project in yorkshire, that is very familiar in terms of people with eating disorders. Would you agree, agnes . Yes, the control of weight and shape is very much a symptom of eating disorders. However, there are additionalfactors. People who restrict their diet ended chronically malnourished, impacting on physical health and mental health. People with the eating disorders like bulimia, binge eating disorders, have other physical complications like diabetes and metabolic problems. Eating disorders are metabolic problems. Eating disorders a re really metabolic problems. Eating disorders are really complex mental disorders affecting both the body and mind. We reported earlier this yearfrom that project, about much more than simply eating. I am really grateful for your time, thank you all for coming on the programme. And if youve been affected by issues in this discussion, there is a range of organisations and websites that can offer you advice and support. You can find them listed on the bbcs actionline website at bbc. Co. Uk actionline continue to send your messages, we are proud to shed light on it because it is rarely discussed, if ever, partly by our programme exists. Still to come. We speak to ex eastenders star and mum of two katiejarvis after she was front page news in one tabloid for landing herself a new role as a Security Guard at a Discount Store in essex. Just to let you know, we are expecting a News Conference from Northamptonshire Police on the investigation into the death of 19 year old harry dunn the motorcyclist who died after a collision with a car driven by an american woman, Anne Sacoolas, who subsequently returned to the United States claiming diplomatic immunity. That is due in the next five, 00 23 39,1000 00 23 40,317 ten minutes also. Anne sacoolas is the wife of an american diplomat. Well bring that to you live as soon as it happens. But first, brexit. The uk is due to leave the eu in nine days in theory. The bill or draft law to implement borisjohnsons brexit deal was published last night and today is another mammoth day. It is dense, let me tell you. But today. Mps will vote on whether to back it in principle and whether to agree to the governments breakneck timetable for rushing it through the commons in just three days. Our political guru norman smith is going to tell you whats in this deal now the legal text has been published. 110 pages of legal text, 125 pages of explanatory notes. Iam i am halfway through, it is pretty incomprehensible, what is in it . You have incredibly well if you are halfway through, i only got about two or three paragraphs through. It is basically legal text. I will read you the opening section on the provisions for Northern Ireland, the backstop, tell me if you know what this means. A devolved authority may by regulations make such provisions as to the devolved authority considers appropriate to implement pa rt considers appropriate to implement part three of the Withdrawal Agreement separation provisions to supplement the affection of section eight in relation to that part or otherwise for the purpose of dealing with matters arising out of or related to that part, including matters arriving by virtue of section eight and that party. What . what . the uk can do what it wants when it leaves, basically . you had to bea when it leaves, basically . you had to be a legal eagle to wade your way through that. But some of the really bright spot on through edge, much of it is, as we already know and was already set out in mrs mays Withdrawal Agreement, there is a 39 billion p divorce bill, the transition period where nothing changes once we leave up to december 2020, and the guarantees for eu citizens living in the uk that if they are here and can prove they have been here for five years that they can claim the right to stay. Pretty much straightforward so far. Its in pieces will annoy people on either end of the debate, so the brexiteers they have to accept that when we leave, if it is october 31, as borisjohnson when we leave, if it is october 31, as Boris Johnson once, when we leave, if it is october 31, as borisjohnson once, nothing changes, that european law still rules and the eu could introduce new rules and the eu could introduce new rules right up to whenever we eventually leave. That could go beyond december 2020, the government has the option of extending for a further two years, we could still theoretically be in the eu until december 2022. For remainers, they had to accept that if we get to the end of this transition period, there is no guarantee we dont end up in no deal again, parliament does not have the right to say no, we have to keep negotiating, they dont like that. The big thing i take from this is this is not the end of it, this tells us that the real guts of what our relationship with the eu, not in here, this isjust the our relationship with the eu, not in here, this is just the divorce, our relationship with the eu, not in here, this isjust the divorce, our future relationship still to be agreed is up for grabs and then says parliament will get a say on the sort of deal that mps should try to negotiate within 30 days of us leaving the eu, so round one is over but there is an awful way to go. Labours shadow education secretary is angela rayner, ive been talking to her. Ive got the European Union Withdrawal Agreement bill right here in front of me. I printed it off this morning. Im halfway through it. Genuine, genuine question. Have you been able to read through all of it . Well, ive looked at it. Ive looked at the wording of it and obviously weve been discussing this for some time. But i certainly dont think getting the withdrawal bill at eight oclock last night gives us anywhere near enough time to scrutinise it, and obviously i have got shadow cabinet today and well be discussing the detail of that bill, but weve got some Major Concerns around it. Its fair to say that those concerns are fundamental. Ill ask you about the concerns any moment, but thats a really interesting and fundamental point. 110 pages of legal text, 125 pages of explanatory notes, i find it unbelievably dense and opaque, do you think there will be other members of the house of commons like you who will start the debate on this not having had chance to read through the whole thing . Well, thats absolutely a potential. We believe that people should have the time to not just read the document, but also discuss that with the colleagues and experts and to debate it in parliament in a very constructive way. This will have implications for the future relationship, how we take things forward with the brexit negotiations and how our country plays out in the future, and therefore we should not be rushed on that. Its really important that all members of parliament feel like theyve had the opportunity to not only read the documents but scrutinise it and to discuss that in the normal parliamentary way. However, much of this document is the same as theresa mays deal, potentially 80 , expert commentators say. So thats why the government argue it is possible to diligently give it the scrutiny it needs in three days. Well, it might be similar but, again, youve got to. Sometimes when words change it could have a massive implication. So, for example, one of our Major Concerns are surrounded to regulation of the market, and we dont believe there is enough protections within that agreement to support environmental protections, consumer and, importantly, employment protections. People didnt vote to lose their jobs or to be worse off at work, and we dont believe that this bill will protect people in that way. So that is a fundamental issue for us. And that is because, on workers rights, protection of workers rights, its been moved from the actual bill, this 110 pages here, which is the legally binding bit of this treaty, into the more generalised aspirational non legally binding political declaration for the future relationship. Thats absolutely right. But i think there is also a fundamental issue around trust and confidence. Trust and confidence is at an all time low with borisjohnson, he is not somebody who is considered to have integrity, hes even got told off many times from parliamentary standards as an mp, let alone as the Prime Minister, and we dont trust him to carry out his words. And the withdrawal builders not give us the protections that we think we need to ensure that our constituents and people across the uk are protected from the worst effects of a no deal or a deregulated market. And the withdrawal bill does not give us. And we believe thats what borisjohnson wants. That would be your aim, to win the next general election. It would be a Labour Government sorting out the political declaration for the future, the future relationship with the eu, the future trade agreement . Well, the labour party and the labour opposition have felt very frustrated because we havent been given the opportunity to put that forward. Weve tried to. We tried with theresa may, she came right at the end of the process after shed put some fairly significant red lines down. Although there hasnt been any genuine. You might be a government, you might win the next election, so you might be in charge of that part two of the process. Well, the labour party have been clear that consumer protections, employment protections and environment protections are really important to us, and thats the principles on which wed go forward. We want to have a customs union, we want access to the single market, we dont want tariffs, we want to deal with the Northern Ireland issue, and weve said we need to be closer. Have a close relationship with europe going forward. Weve been pragmatic about that and honest and upfront from the start. What borisjohnson wants is a crash out no deal brexit, and we will prevent that because our economy will not do well as a result of that, and neither will any of our constituents, and it will costjobs and it will cost our regulations that we have that protect the ordinary people of this country. We wont allow that to happen. He would argue he doesnt want a no deal crash out brexit, thats why hes worked so hard, he would say, to come up with this deal. This deal has. Its important to say that this deal also, and this is why the erg and the hard right of his party are with it, has a trapdoor within it which means potentially all we do is delay a crash out brexit at the end of this transitional period, and were not accepting that, we are not going to fall for his games and his hoodwinking of the process. Its been clear what parliament have wanted, they dont want no deal, and borisjohnson has been trying his best to subvert that and not follow out and carry out those actions. Angela rayner is labours shadow education secretary. We can speak now to conservative mp tim loughton whos a member of the erg or European Research group, a group of euroscpetic cons mps whos supporting bjs deal. Labour mp jim fitzpatrick, who supports the governments deal, in defiance of his own party. And david linden, an snp mp who is against the deal. Welcome all of you. Have you been able to read it . I got it late last night and went through most of it and now going through the explanatory notes. That is a problem, little time to read it, only three days to scrutinise, less than the time allotted for the wild animals circus act according to the institute of government. And three times as much time allotted to the benn act. That is not a reasonable comparison. It has had major implications for the way we scrutinise this legislation. Angela rayner going on about the usual conspiracy theories. Jeremy corbyn said he was going to vote against the agreement before he had even seen the agreement before he had even seen it. If we had debated this until christmas the labour party would still vote against it. We had three and a half yea rs of against it. We had three and a half years of debating brexit in parliament, there is nothing hugely new about this bill. Various assurances have been placed about workers rights. This is not the final agreement. We are then going into a transition period which this bill gives effect to where we will be discussing terms of trade and tariffs and all the other things we are concerned about. There will be many more opportunities to have further scrutiny and a lot more votes in parliament and more legislation so lets not try and pretend this is the end of the day, its only round one. The benn act was two pages long. And it had huge implications. You are trying to compare it to the European Union Withdrawal Agreement bill which is 110 pages with 125 pages of explanatory notes which was only published last night and the debate begins at lunch time. And yet it will mean we could continue in the eu ata will mean we could continue in the eu at a cost of £1 billion per month. Although those figures have been questioned. This shows that parliament can get legislation through where there is a will. Lets stop playing games. If you really wa nt to stop playing games. If you really want to achieve brexit, if all of those people in the labour party who have constituencies who voted for brexit, this is the way you do it. We are going to break for brexit, this is the way you do it. We are going to breakfor a moment to hear from northamptonshire we are going to breakfor a moment to hearfrom Northamptonshire Police talking about their investigation into the death of harry dunn. Mick is going to start with a statement and then we are going to move on to questions and then we will take one to one interviews nick. We will deal with the print media first and well move on to everybody else. The options are outside or in a room available in the building. I will pass over to nick. Good morning and thank you. It is fairly unprecedented for us to hold a press co nfe re nce unprecedented for us to hold a press conference like this at this point in an investigation but i think to provide clarity and to put to bed some of the issues and rumours going on regarding this tragic case i felt it was appropriate. What i propose to do is go through the outline of what this is about and im going to run through the timeline. I think its really important we nailed down the timeline. Im then going to talk about the next steps. First of all, this is a line investigation. A live investigation deserves all the protections of law and the police have to act with impartiality. We have to act with impartiality. We have to act with impartiality. We have to be clear that what we dont wa nt have to be clear that what we dont want to do is to jeopardise this investigation as it moves forward. This is a high profile case and it must not detract or influence the direction or must the media interest to be used to effectively damage the prospect of a fair trial should be get to that point. Tim and charlotte have conducted themselves with dignity and grace, working closely with the police and the legal team. Iurge with the police and the legal team. I urge the family spokesman to exorcise constraints in his commentary as this case moves forward. I understand the emotion andl forward. I understand the emotion and i understand the anxiety. I understand the questions the family are asking that i urge him to exercise constraints in his commentary because its not helpful. I want to run through the timeline that i have had verified through the correspondence weve had with the various agencies. And any other authority involved. So that once and for all we can get that accurate picture to you. On the 27th of august the collision occurs. The next day. Its worth pointing out that on the 27th, the suspect actually cooperated with the police at the scene and spoke with the authorities. The next day, Police Office rs authorities. The next day, Police Officers attended the home address officers attended the home address of the suspect where once again she cooperated with the police and gave an account regarding the circumstances of the collision. It was at that point that diplomatic immunity was mentioned and on that very day Northamptonshire Police applied for the waiver against that diplomatic immunity. The very same day. It needs to be understood that at that point there is nothing more the police can do, diplomatic immunity has been flagged and there is nothing more the police can do. Effectively our involvement with the suspect has to end until we get a conclusion as to whether the waiver will be granted. On the 29th, the family Liaison Officer and specially trained officers are appointed to the family. Between the 29th and 15th of september, some 17 days, the investigation progresses. We cannot do anything with the suspect but the progression of the investigation carries on. It doesnt slow down, it carries on. It doesnt slow down, it carries on. It doesnt slow down, it carries on the same way we do with any other fatal collision. On monday the 16th, Northamptonshire Police are informed by the foreign and commonwealth of his that the waiver had been declined and the suspect had been declined and the suspect had left the uk. It is right that Northamptonshire Police were asked not to inform the family for a couple of days in order that they could understand the next steps. In order for the Foreign Commonwealth Office to understand what the next legal steps were, they asked Northamptonshire Police not to inform the family for a couple of days. It is a decision i support and also a decision that took into account the funeral of harry was on the wednesday, the day after. Given that the funeral was on the day after and that the Foreign Office wanted to provide the family with more detail, that is a decision i support. On monday the 23rd of september, some five days later, the family Liaison Officer working with tim and charlotte are informed by the family that they have come in possession of information which suggests the suspect has left the uk. We confirmed that is the case. On thursday the 26th of september meeting takes place. We wanted to bring that meeting further forward to the 24th but for legitimate reasons that the family put forward they were unable to meet us prior to they were unable to meet us prior to the 26th. On the 26th the family meet with officers and we go through what we know at that point. I want to move on to the next steps. That takes the timeline up until the most controversial bits. That has been corroborated with other evidence we have and you will know that ive offered to go and see the family on two occasions and on both occasions that hasnt been able to happen. The reason behind the visit not taking place yesterday is because the information that is being asked for by the spokesperson, who is not their lawyer, i cannot legally provide. Documents that are subject to freedom of information are subject to protections under the law, i cannot provide them. The questions that were asked of me, i cannot legally provide those answers. I want to talk through the next steps. This investigation has not slowed down and been dealt with in the same professional way that other fatal rtcs are occurring. I offer my condolences to tim and charlotte and extend them to the other 29 grieving families we had in this county of fatal collisions we are currently investigating. The suspect not being in the county clearly frustrates the investigation but it doesnt stop it. Close liaison with the cps and authorities including the Foreign Office has been maintained and i have been involved in that personally. Northamptonshire police and the cps have been working tirelessly, nothing has stopped, to secure an account from the suspect. The suspect has cooperated fully with the police and the authorities. She has also requested to be interviewed by british Police Officers under caution in the United States. Lawyers have stated the suspect wants to be personally interviewed by officers from Northamptonshire Police in order for them to see her and the devastation this has also caused her and her family. And the devastation this has also caused herand herfamily. She did not want to provide a preprepared statement, which is her right to do so. We understand from colleagues in the us that the family of the suspect is utterly devastated by this. As soon as we have visas available, officers will be travelling to the us but they will not they are not currently in the country. They will be interviewing, under caution, the suspect. Once completed, the full file of evidence will be submitted to the cps. A file of evidence has been submitted but as you can appreciate that file is incomplete. You cant complete the file until you have an account from the suspect and this is one of the reasons we are not naming her. We dont know the full circumstances behind the collision and so until we have the full account, as is her right, we do not name her. It is worth mentioning under article six of the European Convention on human rights that everyone is entitled to a fair trial. What we have to do, when we are investigating this case, is to get the immunity and the rights and wrongs of whether it was valid. From the police point of view and the police investigation, we have to make sure that we maintain the integrity of all of the evidence and that we are not skewed by it to make sure that a fair trial, should we get to an extradition position and she comes back to the uk, we dont want to jeopardise that by not affording her a dont want to jeopardise that by not affording hera fair dont want to jeopardise that by not affording her a fair trial under article six of the human rights convention. That is be prepared bit i wanted to say. Just to pinpoint those areas which i know the media and the family are interested in and im happy to take questions. Could you say which organisation you are from. Bbc. He went through the timeline, as did the foreign secretary. He mentioned the word 11 days between the Foreign Office telling you that she had left the country and 11 days before you told the family. Do you accept that 10 11 day delay and if so why . That is not the length of delay. There is some confusion over the timing. The family were aware, we need to be careful on the semantics. The family we re aware careful on the semantics. The family were aware five days after harrys funeral. We were unaware two days before the funeral and then we officially told the family, they knew and we confirmed it but we officially told them nine days later. Tessa chapman, five news. How did they become aware . |j later. Tessa chapman, five news. How did they become aware . I dont want to divulge that but what i will say is they found out legitimately and i can confirm the way they found out was not through a leak but through circumstances and it is a legitimate way in which they found out. As soon as they found out, did they come to you to ask for confirmation . The family Liaison Officers were speaking regularly with the family, they are well embedded with the family and they informed the family Liaison Officer and we were made aware that that had been the case. Is the chief constable of Northamptonshire Police Nick Adderley gives a statement about their investigation into the death of 19 year old harry dunn, we had his parents on this programme and his parents on this programme and his spokesman radd seiger. Nick adderley urging everybody involved not to jeopardise any potential future case involving the wife of the us diplomat, Anne Sacoolas. Nick adderley gave a clear timeline of he knew what when anti edged constraints and commentary on the case, which he said wasnt helpful he urged constraint in commentary. He said that officers will travel to the usa once they have their visas to interview under caution the suspect Anne Sacoolas. Repeating that everyone is entitled toafair repeating that everyone is entitled to a fair trial. Presumably, feeling the need to make that statement because there have been some theories in the last few days that potentially there was some sort of cover up over who knew about Anne Sacoolas diplomatic immunity and about when she left the country but about when she left the country but a clear timeline from mr adderley. We have two mps sitting here, they are not northamptonshire mps, david linden andjim are not northamptonshire mps, david linden and jim fitzpatrick, i wonder if on linden and jim fitzpatrick, i wonder ifona linden and jim fitzpatrick, i wonder if on a human level your response briefly. I think it is interesting the chief constable has had to go through the detail of how the police operate, what they have to do, what they are doing now and what they are going to do. I think, they asked the question why he has to do this, its because of the level of speculation and conspiracy theories. I hope that gives reassurance to the general public that the police are continuing with their investigation and this is far from continuing with their investigation and this is farfrom over. Continuing with their investigation and this is far from over. Thank you. Lets go back to brexit. We have this legislation, im going to ask you both, have you managed to read it . I was in the Library Reading it this morning, its not just the bill and the notes but also an Impact Assessment published at 11pm which runs to 60 pages. Have you read it all . Ive been trying but its unacceptable for the government to try and run this through. This is one of the most significant bits of legislation and will have a profound impact on scotland and it is unacceptable that the government is trying ram this throuhg. Have you tried to read this . No. The debate starts at lunchtime. It starts at 12 30pm. But you are already fighting for it. Lunchtime. It starts at 12 30pm. But you are already fighting for itm principle, this is a vote in principle. The second reading vote that 7pm is to say lets get discussing this bill. The debate goes all the way through tomorrow and we wont see the amendments until later today. The vote in principle at 7pm will be saying, do we wa nt principle at 7pm will be saying, do we want to go for this or not and this may be the first time a brexit boat passes the house of commons to go on to the programme nation which will be detailing the timetabling of the discussion over the next three days of. It acceptable to vote for something in principle when youve not read it . I will have read it by 7pm, i hope. You hype . Is this not what people pay you to do . People pay me to make decisions. We have been discussing this in detail for the last 11 and a half months. But there are some important changes in. I will look at them and make a decision on the basis ofjudgment which in my view is that we need to move forward on brexit because we had this for three and a half years, weve been debating the detail for 11 and a half months and at some point we have to make a decision. I think todays decision day. We vote for the super quick timetable as well . Yes, this is a framework agreement. The detailed negotiations will be taking place during the implementation period which will last at least until the end of next year. Those discussions will be taking place in the commons and mps will have a chance to vote on them until there is a solid majority against a no deal brexit and that has manifested itself every time its been tested. You will be voting against this tonight . Yes, because it enshrined in law a bad deal for scotland which would put are cited disadvantage with Northern Ireland. Are you going to vote against the super quick timetable . Are you going to vote against the superquick timetable . Absolutely, its an affront to democracy, the idea that we are going to ram through a bill. If Boris Johnson loses this motion, what are your tactics then . Weve seen the Prime Minister sent tactics then . Weve seen the Prime Ministersenta tactics then . Weve seen the Prime Minister sent a letter asking for a delay to article 50. What if he comes back with a longer timetable . We will have a look at the bill but at the moment what is proposed in terms of what Boris Johnson at the moment what is proposed in terms of what borisjohnson brought back from brussels, would put scotland at a serious disadvantage. Any self respecting mp has to ask themselves, is this going to make People Better off or poorer . Hand on heart, i think this will make people poorer and that is not something that the snp can condone. You smiled when david linden said any self respecting mp has got to ask themselves whether this bill will make people poorer, why . On the basis that i think every self respecting mp is asking themselves that question and will be making a judgment of the best of their ability on the basis of what they think is in the best interest of the country and with the conscience directing them. No one is making decisions without seriously examining the issues. When collea g u es examining the issues. When colleagues go through the lobbies tonight as they have done many times in recent months, there were people in tears in the Commons Chamber because of the emotional and political pressure they were under. From people in their own parties . From people in their own parties . From inside because of the lobbying they were getting. Some of them are being seriously harassed. None of us would condone that but the political and emotional pressure that people feel because this is such an important issue. People were in tea rs important issue. People were in tears on saturday and will be feeling the pressure today. Every self respecting mp will be making a serious, honestjudgment. Thank you. Until february this year, katie jarvis was a famous face on our tv screens playing Hayley Slater in eastenders. This is your true colours, isnt it . You dont ever lay your hands on her again, do you hear me . What are you going to do . Stop it. What are you going to do . Stop it. What are you going to do . ten two. But on sunday, a tabloid ran a front page story revealing that katie was working as a Security Guard in a Discount Store in essex. What followed though was an outpouring of support for katie with fellow actors claiming shed been job shamed. Now in her first interview, she tells us shes overwhelmed by the support. Katiejarvis is here. How did this front page make you feel . To be honest, i woke up really embarrassed and made to feel quite ashamed. Over my career, ive done my best to try and stay away from social gatherings, get togethers and celebrity things, to keep my private life as private as possible. To wake up life as private as possible. To wake up with my kids and see myself on the front of the pages for simply having a job in between my acting, it really did hurt me to be honest and it took a day or so for it to digester and to realise i have nothing to be ashamed about. All actors go through it. Over the yea rs, actors go through it. Over the years, ive had so many different jobs in between, notjust as a Security Guard. When i was 17 and i got found the fish ta, i was doing doughnuts at festivals and things like that. When i got found that fish tank. Ive been a waitress, worked at a credit card company, ive done admin. That is the life of an actor. It is. One of my sisters calls me a dabbler and thats because i seem to do a little bit of everything. I like to be busy and i like to learn new things. It doesnt matter what it is. To wake up on sunday and made to feel like it was a bad thing and job shaming me in a sense, the people i work with are amazing. I get up every day, they work hard for their money and it doesnt matter what job work hard for their money and it doesnt matter whatjob you are doing, i dont anyone should be made to feel how i did when i wake up. As long as youre working, thats what matters. The daily star say that they had a leader inside the newspaper which praised you. It praised you for that work. Now the daily star can reveal she is working ina b m daily star can reveal she is working in a b m store, there is no shame in working as a Security Guard but it would be a pity if katie wasted her obvious talent as a performer. We wish her all the best. Do you take that seriously . I feel like the way they portrayed the story wasnt very nice. If they wanted to find me and say ive got this job then thats fine but the way it was portrayed was, i think, fine but the way it was portrayed was, ithink, quite fine but the way it was portrayed was, i think, quite nasty. Fine but the way it was portrayed was, ithink, quite nasty. Ifeel like they havent had much else to say about me or much else to jump on me for and to be made to feel degraded. A lot goes into being a Security Guard. They put themselves at risk. I take thatjob on and joined my sister because she is a Security Guard there. The way it was portrayed, i need to stand up for them, do you know what i mean . Under other working class people because theres nothing wrong in anyjob. You had loads of support and youre not on social media so you didnt realise. Kathy burke tweeted person gets job so her kids dont starve . Good for her. Tamsin outhwaite tweeted yes, i am a landlady, a voice over artist, car boot salesperson, art dealer, up cyclist, interior designer, motivational speaker and many other jobs. Its what artists do to earn a living. They work in between jobs. And Gillian Taylforth who plays kathy beale so much love and respect for katie jarvis. Hard work been a jobbing actor. Actors are allowed normal jobs too, you know. These have been liked thousands of times. How does that make you feel to hear all those . Iam i am overwhelmed by it. I didnt realise, on sunday it all hit me. Because im not on twitter i never see this. Theres pros and cons to that. Its kept me away from some of the bad stuff but to hear that was amazing. Im glad ive got their support. Weve come to the end of the programme, thank you so much, katie. All the best. Bbc news from life is next. Have a lovely day. Good morning. We love it when i want weather watchers send us some photographs, especially when they ca ptu re photographs, especially when they capture something quite interesting. Ice crystals fall out of the cloud creating this weather phenomenon. Weve got some mist patches across southern areas of england but the cloud is breaking up to give us sunny spells. More cloud through scotla nd sunny spells. More cloud through scotland and Northern Ireland. Its dry for most of us in temperatures today are about 10 14. Three tonight, a bit of rain, particularly in the north west of scotland. Some mist and fog patches developing in central and southern areas of england with some clear skies. That will allow temperatures to drop down into fairly low single figures. Not quite has cool further north. Throughout wednesday, we are going to see rain moving into western scotla nd to see rain moving into western scotland and Northern Ireland. Elsewhere became dry. Some cloud and rain in the south east later on in temperatures 13 15. Youre watching bbc newsroom live, im Annita Mcveigh live in westminster its 11 00am and these are the main stories this morning borisjohnson launches a final bid to deliver his brexit deal by the end of the month but opinion is divided among mps some angry at the lack of time given to examine the detail. The idea that we are going to be bounced as a country out of the European Union, in a period of a few days without politicians being given a chance to look carefully at the basis on which we are making this decision, is wrong. Jeremy corbyn said he was going to vote against the remote before he had even seen it. If we debated this until christmas the labour party would still vote against it. We have had over 500 hours and over 3. 5 years debating over brexit in parliament. There will be crucial votes again tonight but if mps reject a proposal to speed the withdrawal bill