Transcripts For BBCNEWS Victoria Derbyshire 20240713

So called pick up coaches men who teach other men how to chat up women in the street, how to overcome any last minute resistance to sex, and how to secretly film them. You teach men how to pressurise women into having sex. You taught me this. I dont pressurise any women into having sex. No, you teach men to pressurise women. Thats completely wrong. Justify it. Last minute resistance heading. Thats completely wrong. Youtube has shut down the channels posting this material in response to the investigation. And, the mother of 5 year old Tafida Raqeeb who won a high court bid against a London Hospital who were going to switch off the brain damaged girls life support tells us theyll travel to italy for medical treatment in the next seven days. Tafidas mum is here. Hello, welcome to the programme. Were live until 11 this morning. Later on well be talking about the condition endometriosis. Over 10,000 women have taken part in a bbc study about their symptoms with the majority saying they rely on prescription painkillers to control it. If you have this condition or think you might have the condition, because that is one of the issues, most women do not realise, then get in touch. Do get in touch on all the stories were talking about use the hashtag victoria live. First, carrie has the news. The american businesswoman, Jennifer Arcuri, has denied that borisjohnson ever gave her favourable treatment when he was the mayor of london and has refused to confirm if the two of them had an intimate relationship. He has been accused of including her on trade missions and helping her company to receive grants. Mrjohnsons being investigated by the London Assembly to see whether he failed to declare a conflict of interest. Speaking on Good Morning Britain Jennifer Arcuri would not confirm if shed had a relationship with mr johnson. Its categorically no ones business what private life we had or didnt have. And more important, boris never, ever gave me favouritism. A retired high courtjudge has condemned the Police Watchdog accusing it of shocking failures when it investigated how detectives responded to false allegations of a paedophile ring at westminster. Sir Richard Henriques who conducted a review of operation midland says the independent 0ffice for police conducts inquiry was minimal, unprofessional and flawed. Writing in the daily mail, he says he was alarmed by the offices lack of knowledge of criminal procedure. The Scotland Yard inquiry cost £2. 5 million, and ended without any arrests or charges. The number of unfilled nhs consultant psychiatrist posts in england has doubled in the last six years, according to a survey by the Royal College of psychiatrists given to this programme exclusively. One in 10 posts are vacant. The alarming findings come at a time of soaring demand for Mental Health care, with many patients facing lengthy waits for treatment. Senior members of the royal family have given their support to a new national Mental Health campaign. Princes william and harry, and their wives, catherine and meghan, are narrating a short nhs film, aimed at helping people to spot the early signs of poor Mental Health. The video, featuring davina mccall, gillian anderson, and freddie flintoff, will be broadcast on commercial channels this evening. Northamptonshire police have demanded that the us embassy return an american diplomats wife who is a suspect in a fatal crash inquiry. Theyve told this programme that they are preparing to send a file to prosecutors in the case of 19 year old harry dunn, was killed after his motorbike collided with a car close to raf croughton, in northamptonshire, on the 27th august. The suspect has been named as Anne Sacoolas. Ms sacoolas left the country after the crash last month, despite telling police she had no plans to do so. Families of diplomats are protected from prosecution in their host country so called diplomatic immunity but the us could decide to waive that immunity. Attempts by the foreign secretary, dominic raab, to get the us to waive immunity have so far been futile. Harrys family, which includes his twin brother niall who you can see in this picture of them when they were younger says they have been left in tatters and they are pleading with the us to change their minds. We can talk now to the four people who raised harry and harrys brother niall. Thank you all of you for coming on the programme. When i say you all brought him up, thats because tim and charlotte separated when the boys were 12 months old, and you met subsequent partners. How did it work in terms of bringing up the children . Collectively. It has been quite good. The two of them made us into one big family. They we re made us into one big family. They were our only children so we had this bond, so even if we went different ways, the boys kept us doing things together and talking. Absolutely. I want to ask how you feel about the fact this woman, this mother, a wife of a us diplomat, has left the country. Disgusted. Upset, let down. Just in shock, really, that she has been allowed to leave. Why do you think she has left . dont. We dont want to think that she chose to leave. As a mother, i wouldnt have done that myself. And many other people that have come forward supporting us feel exactly the same, so we dont want to believe it was a choice. But i believe it was a choice. But i believe she could overrule any diplomatic immunity and decide to get on that plane and come back herself. Thats what we are urging herself. Thats what we are urging her to do. How do you feel, tim, as harrys doubt, that this woman has left the country . Disappointment. A little bit of anger but mostly disappointment. At the time we were led to believe she did not have any intention to leave the country. We we re intention to leave the country. We were expecting the investigation to go ahead as planned. When we found out a few weeks later she had gone, it was a bit of devastation as well. Why do you think she left . it was a bit of devastation as well. Why do you think she left . I would like to think it was because she was more made to leave than her own choice. By the us embassy. Because when she spoke to the police after the crash she admitted everything. We just assumed, we were told that she had no intention of going. We seem she had no intention of going. We seem to think the us embassy were involved. But she didnt have to go off course. No, but you would like to think not. Bruce, when you found out Anne Sacoolas had left, it was after harrys funeral. How did you respond . We were really shocked. We we re respond . We were really shocked. We were a Small Community and we had heard she had left anyway, through rumours. We were shocked but we had an inkling she might not be in the country. I dont know. We just felt numb more than anything, i guess. Country. I dont know. We just felt numb more than anything, i guessm didnt really sink in that she had gone. Tracy, how did you feel . Like the others, shocked, but also a feeling of disbelief, that this type of thing can happen, that somebody can be in our country, and kill someone, can be in our country, and kill someone, and then just can be in our country, and kill someone, and thenjust up and leave. Is that how you view it . Yes, it is, yeah. That she has taken harry from you . Definitely. We are lost without him. He was the mainstay of our family. How is harrys twin brother niall . Drifting through every day like we are. Wading through fog. He doesnt really know where to start each day. He has gone from being around us, to trying to discover who he is on his own. He has other siblings from bruce and tracys side of the family and they have all been close over the years, but he has lost his twin. But Anne Sacoolas has robbed him of his twinship, and robbed him of his twinship, and robbed us of a son. Thats very hard to come to terms with, when shes not even hear for us to see any remorse. She has got to be suffering. But not as much as us, because she still has her children. We have lost one of ours forever. But niall is a very strong minded character, like the rest of the family. With our support, we will pull him through. Have you had any contact from Anne Sacoolas . No, nothing. If you were to have contact, could you ever forgive nothing. If you were to have contact, could you everforgive her for what she has done . Yeah, i mean. It was an accident. We know this. She didnt mean to kill our son. I can forgive her for that, but forgive her for leaving . I dont know. She had a choice, and im sure she could have stayed. I dont understand why she would have left. Charlotte, do you feel the same . Absolutely. Unintentional, what she has done. She didnt purposely drive on the wrong side of the road, clearly. We assume she forgot what country she was in. A head on collision. Harry didnt stand a chance on his motorbike. As experienced as he was, he had covered over 50,000 miles in three and a half years and was a very accomplished and good rider, but being on the brow of the hill, he didnt stand a chance. But we know it was unintentional from her. Didnt stand a chance. But we know it was unintentionalfrom her. So if she had stayed and faced ourjustice system and faced us as a family, we could have found that forgiveness. We would have probably, we said to the police that we would try to get her death by dangerous driving prosecution, that they were going for downgraded to death by careless. We would have tried to get her a suspended sentence so she could carry on being a mum, so she wasnt taken away from her own children. But for giving herfor taken away from her own children. But for giving her for leaving . I taken away from her own children. But for giving herfor leaving . I am nowhere near, not yet. Tim, you managed to get to the scene of the accident. And you have said you are 0k to talk about this to our audience. What were you able to say to your son . Luckily i had a call from a memberof to your son . Luckily i had a call from a member of the fire brigade who i know who managed to get me a message. I got to the scene as the paramedics and doctors were working on harry. At the time when i got there he was struggling to breathe. I spoke to him and said, harry, its your doubt, let them do what they have to do. They are here to help you. I would like to think it gave him some comfort because he quietened down. He was complaining about chest pains. I would like to say as well, the Emergency Services we re say as well, the Emergency Services were amazing. They took harry. They gave him blood at the side of the road. He was struggling with breathing and they said they would sedate him to help control his breathing. I spoke to him again and said, this is whats going on. They will sedate you, let them do what they are doing. Its for your own good. And thats when they sedated him. Has the British Government done enough . I know they are trying. I know they are trying and its complicated but i wish they could do more. I think they probably could do more. I think they probably could do more. I think your understanding is the foreign secretary has twice asked for a waiver of immunity from prosecution for this woman and twice that has been rejected. Thats what we believe, yes. What else can they do . What could they have done . dont. Come to us a bit earlier maybe. It must have been, from Police Interviews and stuff, they must have realised what was going on. Its nearly six weeks since his death and we are just talking about this now. Its only come to light in the last three or four days. Surely, two or three weeks ago, we could have found out this and done something before she left the country. You mean the British Government, or those in authority could have come to you and said, this woman has diplomatic immunity much earlier in the process. Far earlier. What difference do you believe that would have made . We would probably have got advice a lot sooner. Would probably have got advice a lot sooner. We didnt know which direction to go in. We are a regular family. We could have got or i would have liked to think we could have got advice from a lawyer much earlier than we did do. And would have hopefully got something from the Foreign Commonwealth Office a lot sooner. Because five weeks is pretty much unacceptable, really. The chief constable of northamptonshire has made a further appeal today to the us embassy to bring Anne Sacoolas back to the country. Do you have any hope that will make any difference . No. Really . I just will make any difference . No. Really . Ijust hope it makes a difference to her personally. I would like to think that as a mum she would at least try to put herself in our position and just waive the immunity herself and come and see us. Thats the only thing we have got. We dont have much hope the uk or us are actually going to help us much. If she doesnt come back, what will you do then as a family . Fight for change. We will go to the states if we have to do and fight for change. We will try to get this diplomatic immunity thing altered. We understand that diplomatic immunity is there to protect diplomats and within london, their spouses and dependents, when they are in danger, but not when they are in danger, but not when they have committed a crime. So we dont understand how she has been allowed to leave, and why they have let her leave. We would go all out to try and get that changed because we cant allow this to happen to another family. Harry fought for his rights. He was a really strong character. He would always try to put things right when he knew they we re put things right when he knew they were wrong. And we wouldnt be honouring him as a family if we didnt try to do the same. It doesnt matter how long it takes us, but we wont stop. But you would go to america and try to find Anne Sacoolas . No, we would appealto to america and try to find Anne Sacoolas . No, we would appeal to the media there and people there to help us media there and people there to help us find heror media there and people there to help us find her or help us get the decision, get the country to send her back. Appeal to the president or secretary of state. We will try, weve got to. We cant let it go like this. Thank you so much for coming on the programme. Thank you for having us. We appreciate your time and we wish you all the best with this campaign. Charlotte, charles, bruce, tim and tracey. Because the press have made me this objectified ex model pole dancer, i am really not going to answer that question. That was tech entrepreneur Jennifer Arcuris answer this morning when asked on itvs Good Morning Britain if she had an affair with Boris Johnson when he was mayor of london. The allegation is that Boris Johnson mis used money and influence when he was mayor, to help his close friend, ms arcuris, career. The pm has said he acted in complete conformity with the code and the rules. This morning Jennifer Arcuri said she cared deeply for the pm, that he visited her flat in london 5 or 10 times when she lived in the uk. Mrjohnsons number was saved in her phone as alex the great, and the two of them shared a joke over the pole in her flat that she used for dance and exercise. Lets hear what she had to say when she was asked by piers morgan about whether she and Boris Johnson had had an affair just to put on the record, did you ever have any intimate relationship with Boris Johnson . Yes or no . Because the press have made me this objectified ex model pole dancer, i really am not going to answer that question. So you wont deny it . Im sorry. Im not going to be putting myself in a position for you to weaponise my answer. I get it. Im being used as a pawn. This entire thing is a crazy charade. I dont want to use you as a weapon or a pawn or anything. Its simply that obviously the answer to that question is clearly relevant to the other questions we are going to ask you about the alleged impropriety because the nature of your relationship is actually a matter of public interest. Its not. Categorically, boris had nothing to do with all my other achievements. Literally, someone has written down every single thing ive done in london and found a way to drive it back to boris. Its absolute crap. In the interview, she denied that any of her companies had received grants as a result of herfriendship with borisjohnson, that shed been allowed on trade trips because of him, or that shed received or even asked for favours from him. Boris never, ever gave me favouritism. Never once did i asking for a favour and never once did he write a letter of recommendation for me. He didnt know about me asking to go on trips. He only knew me as an extremely passionate entrepreneur in the london tech scene. Jennifer, he did write recommendations for you when you applied to run tech city. You have already talked about that. No, he didnt. What was it that he did . Not at all, fake news. Lets speak now to tom copley, labour member of the London Assemblys oversight committee. The committee wrote tojohnson on 24th september giving him two weeks to provide information about the relationship, so the deadline is tomorrow. What have you learned that is of interest to you and your investigation from that interview . thought overall we learned very little. She refused to be drawn on the question on whether or not she had a sexual relationship with mr johnson. To make things on that. Firstly, in and of itself, its 2019, its not the sexual relationship in and of itself that is of the issue. Its whether or not he used his influence to benefit a close personalfriend. Whether influence to benefit a close personal friend. Whether or not they we re personal friend. Whether or not they were ina personal friend. Whether or not they were in a sexual relationship, it is not appropriate for the mayor of london to benefit a close personal friend. She says she did not benefit from any favouritism, which has been backed up by the Prime Minister. The other interesting thing about this, last time we spoke you asked whether having these two investigations was overkill. There is actually now a third investigation because when borisjohnson was mayor he was also police and crime commissioner. These allegations are serious enough, they have triggered an illegal threshold and the monitoring officer have spoken to the iopc, dealing with police complaints. There are clearly questions for Boris Johnson police complaints. There are clearly questions for borisjohnson to a nswer over questions for borisjohnson to answer over this and serious questions over whether he should have declared these interests or not. I believe he should have. Based on what . When you get elected to any position in city hall, whether its me or the mayor of london, you sign a code of conduct which is very clear that you have to make these declarations where there are personal interests such as this. Again, borisjohnson personal interests such as this. Again, Boris Johnson has personal interests such as this. Again, borisjohnson has said there was no interest to declare. The Prime Minister has a couple of days left to answer this letter that you sent to him. What happens if he doesnt reply . We are hoping he will. He has indicated he will reply to our letters. We then have to judge what he says. If he doesnt we have power of summons and we can legally compel him to come and a nswer legally compel him to come and answer questions. If he was to fail to attend without a reasonable excuseit to attend without a reasonable excuse it would be a criminal offence. Thank you for coming on the programme. We have some e mails to read to you aboutJennifer Arcuri. Paul sent a tweet. It seems if you area paul sent a tweet. It seems if you are a successful woman its only because of a man. Following this line of questioning. Sorry, piers morgan, it doesnt look good. Tabloid grogginess. Jane on twitter says tabloid grogginess. Jane on twitter sastennifer arcuri is tabloid grogginess. Jane on twitter says Jennifer Arcuri is coming across well. Its time to leave her alone. And rob says you have no shame. Anyone can see the purpose of the into is to drag borisjohnsons name through the mud. There is the first time ive watched the gutter press in weeks and it will be the last. Answer messages as well to read to you about the interview with harry dunns mother and father and step parents. Terry says, is a lone twin, could you please pass on to the family, who now have a lone twin son due to the death of harry, that the Lone Twin Network exists for support in this very painful situation. Angela has sent a text to say, very brave family, thoughts and prayers are with you all. William says, as an american living in britain, ican says, as an american living in britain, i can confirm the reputation of people from the us is in tatters. I sent my best to harrys family and loved ones. The mother of a brain damaged girl who has won her case against a London Hospital which planned to turn off her life support, says herfamily is hoping to take her for treatment in italy within 7 days. Five year old Tafida Raqeeb has been on life support at the royal London Hospital since suffering a traumatic brain injury in february. Health bosses had tried to block attempts to take her to the gaslini Childrens Hospital in italy, arguing that any further treatment of tafida, who suffered a brain haemorrhage, would be futile. But the high court over ruled the hospital, saying there was no justification to stop the child being taken abroad. We can speak not to tafidas mum, shelina begum. You will be going in the next seven days . I will be going very soon, yes. How is your daughter at the moment . She is improving every day. She is very stable. Improving in what way . We can see that she is responding to us more. Every day when we try to interact with her in various ways stop for instance, when we say to her, tafida, stretch your fingers. She tends to respond and stretch her fingers. What was your reaction when you realise the high court was back allowing you to take your daughter to italy, over the hospital . I was in a state of shock. Ididnt hospital . I was in a state of shock. I didnt actually think it would be in our favour. I didnt actually think it would be in ourfavour. I i didnt actually think it would be in our favour. I was i didnt actually think it would be in ourfavour. I was in a i didnt actually think it would be in our favour. I was in a state of shock. Why had the hospital wanted to end life support for your daughter . They believe tafida will never improve. That her condition will remain as it is. And they believed that was in her best interest . They believed it was in her best interest, that death was in her best interest, that death was in her best interest, that death was in her best interest. What was your reaction when they told you initially they wanted to switch off life support . Again, i was shocked. My life support . Again, i was shocked. My husband cried nonstop in that meeting. I said, no, my husband cried nonstop in that meeting. Isaid, no, icant my husband cried nonstop in that meeting. Isaid, no, i cant give consent. How many times did you end up consent. How many times did you end up having that conversation with medical professionals . We actually had a few every week, leading right up had a few every week, leading right up to the date of the proceedings. So leading right up to the 15th july, two or three every week. Where they asked for your consent to switch it off . Yes. How did you feel about that . Both me and my husband, we felt like we were under a lot of pressure. They actually put us under a lot of psychological pressure to give that consent so they could switch her off. This is a statement from the hospital, the high court weighed up clinical and ethical considerations and decided on the balance of evidence that sustaining treatment should continue. After careful consideration regarding the wider implications of the judgment we have decided not to appeal and our doctors and nurses will continue to provide tafida with the best possible care as long as she continues to be our patient. We support the family as they make alternative arrangements for tafidas care. Whats the atmosphere like in hospital when you come across these medical professionals . It has been silence since thursday last week. It is very quiet in the unit. The nurses have done a fantastic job and i unit. The nurses have done a fantasticjob and i have to say thank you to them. But with the doctors, its been a complete meltdown. We dont really speak. I go in and they are not really around so there is no communication with the doctors. What is it to your daughter will receive in hospital in italy that she is not receiving here . She will be out of bed, not confined to bed. We have rehabilitation. Something tafida hasnt had at all. What will that be . She will be able to come out of bed, be in a wheelchair. We can take her out, and various other therapies. What does it mean for her long term . Therapies. What does it mean for her longterm . Long term we are hopeful that it will aid recovery. A full recovery . It might not be full recovery, but some form of recovery. Evenif recovery, but some form of recovery. Even if she doesnt, we will still value our daughter. 0ur even if she doesnt, we will still value our daughter. Our love is unconditional. The medical professionals in italy, what have they said realistically about any kind of improvement . We need to wait. Time will tell what functions tafida regains and which she doesnt. When you say you believe she will make some recovery, where does that come from . Tafida herself. Why do you say that . Every day she shows signs she is emerging. Explain to the audience what happened in february that led to this . Prior to the 9th of february, tafida was a happy and bubbly normal four year old. She woke up one morning, the 9th of february and said, mummy, my head is hurting. Within five minutes she stopped breathing and we rushed her to hospital. A vessel had ruptured in her brain and she needed emergency surgery. Her brain and she needed emergency surgery. She was taken to great 0rmond street hospital where there we re 0rmond street hospital where there were no beds. She was transferred but five hours had elapsed so she suffered severe brain damage because of the delay in care. The law currently says a childs best interests are paramount in all health care decisions. You have said this law needs to be revised. Why . I have. I just this law needs to be revised. Why . I have. Ijust hope the government will revisit the law and amend so that no other parents go through what we have been through. So that the doctors speak to the parents first before taking away the pa rental first before taking away the parental rights. That is where the law needs to change. In what way where your parental rights taken away from you . They took the decision away from us, they blocked the transfer to italy. You say it should be the parents decision. Definitely. Do you acknowledge that sometimes the parents are so close and so desperate for a child to improve or survive that they might not be able to make an objective decision . I mean, that could be a possibility, but in tafidas decision that was not the case. They knew we were more than capable of taking decisions. Thank you for talking to us this morning. Tafidas mother, and in the next seven days, by the beginning of next week, she will take her daughter to italy for further treatment. Thank you for your time. Youtube has deleted more than 100 videos overnight for breaching their policies on nudity and Sexual Conduct following an investigation for the bbcs panorama programme. Reporter myles bonnar has been investigating the phenomenon known as game, a multi Million Pound industry that claims to show men the techniques they need to pick up women. 0ne Company Called street attraction uploaded videos to youtube as proof of their technique, sometimes including secretly recorded audio of sexual encounters they claim to have had. Myles bonnar went undercover on one of the companys so called seduction boot camps where students are taught that the lines of consent can be blurred in pursuit of picking up unsuspecting women. I want you to try and stop this girl. She looks pretty good to me. Lets talk now to miles bonnar and emily van blanken, who was unknowingly filmed by adnan ahmed, a so called pick up artist who last month was convicted of threatening and abusive behaviour, and will be sentenced later this month. Welcome to you both and thank you for coming on the programme. You only learned recently, emily, earlier this year, that a video had been taken of you by him and we are going to show it in a moment. But before we do, tell us what you thought was going on when this man came up to you and started chatting to you. I felt it was a routine chat up to you. I felt it was a routine chat up basically, somebody trying to chat me up on the street. I was approached in glasgow, on buchanan street, and it felt like a routine chat up and i had no awareness that i was being filmed. Lets have a look at the filming of it and we will talk after. I did spend the first couple of minutes in that video kind of looking down at my phone and breaking eye contact. The ridiculous thing is in that entire conversation im trying to figure out a way to let him down gently. We dont want to be called a bitch for rejecting someone, we dont want to be called rude for just closing the interaction down. He later boasted in his video that he could easily have taken things further with emily. If i had met her on vacation, on holiday, it would have been a same day lay. How do you respond to that, that he was reckoning it could be a same day lady . The interesting thing about that experience is how poorly he was recognising what was going on in my head. It only concern when he uploaded the video was his own ego. He wanted to make it clear that i was interested and that was absolutely not the case. The only thing that was going on in my head at the time was how can i politely let this person down . And even that is quite ridiculous, that my concern was for his feelings and how i could politely say no. A level of guilt comes into play there. Not wanting to be rude in those kinds of circumstances, when really all i wa nted circumstances, when really all i wanted to say was, look, i am not interested so please leave me alone. Yet something in me. That didnt come about in that conversation. Just explain what game is. Game is a multi Million Pound industry which is based on selling techniques to help other men pick up women. A lot of the money is made through boot camps which will be a set of coaches who take students around the city. I was in london. And show them how to do things such as the cold approach, which is stopping someone you dont know in the street, stopping women in the street who you dont know, and trying to get a phone number as quickly as you can with as many women as you can. There are also other techniques that they train you m, other techniques that they train you in, which you pay for. You did a report earlier this year on this which resulted in that man being convicted of threatening and abusive behaviour. I wonder how widespread it is. It is extremely widespread. It is global. In india, australia, the states, south america, you will find organisations which operate online mainly selling these courses. They are available almost everywhere. Lets have a look at the clip where you confronted the boot camp artist. The pick up artist at the boot camp. You teach men how to pressurise women into having sex. You taught me this. I dont pressurise any women into having sex. No, you teach men to pressurise women. Thats completely wrong. Justify it. Last minute resistance heading. Thats completely wrong. You have twisted it completely out of context. You have a video, adi, that says when you counter somebody saying this is too fast, carry on escalating. You have put it completely out of context. Thats what it says. Bro, its an art. Its an art. What is last minute resistance . Last minute resistance. What is last minute resistance . Lastminute resistance. They call it overcoming last minute resistance and last minute resistance is what is regarded as a womans token attempt to resist sex. This is something that is taught can be ove rco m e if something that is taught can be overcome if you are persistent and it isa overcome if you are persistent and it is a way of ultimately having sex with someone who potentially isnt keen. They give you a series of techniques, things to say, things to do, that will help you have sex. Like what . Things like telling them to ta ke like what . Things like telling them to take their clothing off, their shoes off, try and get them without clothes as quickly as possible. Say things which will make it harder for them to say no. I spoke to him in that video. If they are saying this is going too fast, his video advised that you should carry on escalating. Make it look like you agree with what they say that carry on. Ignore the woman effectively . Yes. And when you hear that kind of language, what do you think, emily . I find it infuriating. In my experience with himi infuriating. In my experience with him i had no agency and the video was uploaded without my say and my knowledge and my intentions were com pletely knowledge and my intentions were completely mischaracterised. I think these techniques are really insidious. The one that tafida used on me, which is known as negging, which is to make a negative comment about the woman to put them down to make them feel obligated to continue the conversation. There his opening comments with you was that it cant be that bad and without skipping a beat i said my face just does this. And he said you look really miserable, like youre having a bad day. Do not automatically make me feel like i had to compensate, be really polite and open, to compensate for that impression. Really polite and open, to compensate for that impressionm anything illegal here . compensate for that impressionm anything illegal here . I have spoken to several lawyers about the legal problems. It is difficult to pinpoint because there are so many aspects to it. The Communications Act is a way you could get these men for the obscene things they post online. The secret recording of a p pa re ntly online. The secret recording of apparently women having sex with them, unbeknownst to the woman, that audio or that video then goes online, hence removing some of the videos. 0k, thank you very much. What time is panorama on tonight . 8 30pm on bbc one. Thank you. Still to come in Research Given exclusively to this programme, we find the number of unfilled nhs consultant psychiatrist posts in england has doubled in the last six years. Now one in 10 posts is vacant, meaning long waits for treatment at a time of huge demand for Mental Health care. More than 13,500 women from across the uk have shared their experience of endometriosis with the bbc. Its a condition which causes the lining of the womb to grow elsewhere. It is chronically painful, and has devastating effects on relationships, careers and Mental Health. Nearly all the women in the study said the condition had badly affected their career, sex life and Mental Health, and most said they rely on prescription painkillers. Around half said theyd had suicidal thoughts. The findings have prompted mps to launch an inquiry into the condition. Lets talk now to anna turley, labour mp who is part of the all Parliamentary Group trying to raise awareness of the condition. She is also a sufferer herself. Were also talking to katy vincent, nhs gynecologist who believes that endometriosis should be seen as a chronic pain condition. Jo pennifold, who suffers from the condition and has undergone eight operations and chemical menopause. And Holly Sandiford who says her symptoms got so bad she had to drop out of university because of it. Welcome to you all and thank you for coming on the programme. Anna, what is your own personal experience of this condition . I was diagnosed with endometriosis about two and a half yea rs endometriosis about two and a half years ago, at the age of 38, and i had obviously had it since my teenage years, and at school i was off taken ill and my mother had to collect me because i felt and i was in chronic time and i passed out. Every time you had a period . Yes, the first couple of days. I managed it as the first couple of days. I managed itasi the first couple of days. I managed it as i grew up. I took my big growth and proactively at the start of my period to try and manage the condition. I took ibuprofen. I was told i would just have to manage it as part of my life, and then eventually a routine examination caught the endometriosis and i was in and out of hospital for six months because of the consequences. I realise how huge it is in the country and how many people are suffering and how little awareness thatis suffering and how little awareness that is in parliament and policy making. That is in parliament and policymaking. And how many women suffering and silently. It is known as the silent epidemic. People dont understand how it can be that painful. It is just intense period pain. Can you describe it . Part of the reason people dont realise that is it is often described alongside period pain. When my endometriosis was at its worst, it was on a daily basis. It is crippling. You find yourself hunched over, clenching the whole time. My husband used to say he could tell because he could see the pain etched in my face. It can be different for different people. Some people experience a stabbing. I would experience stabbing pains and a dull ache, feeling like i was carrying a bowling ball around in my stomach. Pain radiates down the back of your thighs and into your back and it makes it difficult to walk sometimes when it is at its worst. How can you live your daily life . You dont very well. You have got to make compromises. Everything becomes about what energy you have got left to do and you do the bare minimum. There would be times when i would get up, go to work, come home and go straight to bed, which is not a life. And how has it affected you . It has affected most of my life. I am very young. How old . I am 24. I experienced the symptoms after i had my daughter. It has affected my career, university, daily life. Sometimes i cant take any to school. It affects everything. Ellie. They didnt have any symptoms until you had your little girl . thought it was just what happened after pregnancy but it carried on. I got medical help but i didnt get diagnosed until march this year, said it has been five years. Kate, what is a treatment for endometriosis . There are a number of treatments available. Commonly they aim to suppress the symptoms rather than treat the condition permanently. We can suppress the symptoms with hormonal treatment such as the pill or treat the lesions of the endometriosis, so that tissue that has grown in the wrong place, by burning it or cutting it out surgically. The thing we need to remember is that by the time endometriosis is diagnosed, and on average in the uk that is seven and half years from onset of symptoms to diagnosis, which is a shocking statistic, by the time it is diagnosed, it is a chronic pain condition, said the pain has lasted for six months longer than the diagnosis. Women suffering from there to have a chronic pain condition and chronic pain is associated with a variety of other symptoms. Psychological distress, musculoskeletal dysfunction, abnormal nerve function, and within endometriosis we dont think about those associated factors, where in other current pain condition, like back pain and arthritis, we automatically bring those factors into the management plans. Why does it take so long to get diagnosed . think there has been a lack of awareness. Because it has been a womens menstrual issue it has been chronically underfunded for many years. As part of the all party Parliamentary Group, we want to bring more money into the nhs for research, and bring it up to a higher level. If a research, and bring it up to a higher level. Ifa member of research, and bring it up to a higher level. If a member of women suffer a dimitrios that as asthma and diabetes, said there is an awarenessjob. We and diabetes, said there is an awareness job. We have and diabetes, said there is an awarenessjob. We have got a big job to make people aware of this condition and put the money and resources where they are needed. You we re resources where they are needed. You were put into a medically induced menopause. Is that correct . How does that work . For me it didnt. I was put on a course of injections which suppress your ovaries from functioning. As a result of that, some women but not all women might get some pain relief. It is like a band aid, really. It suppresses some of the sentence for some women. For me, igot of the sentence for some women. For me, i got no relief whatsoever. It wasnt effective in my case but i did have a lot of side effects to contend with and they were quite horrendous and i still have them to this day. After the injections, what other problems where there . Hot flashes from the outset which i have got to this day, 20 years later. It got to this day, 20 years later. It got issues with sleep. I develop problems with my sleep pattern. They are symptoms of the menopause, arent they . But they are ongoing andi arent they . But they are ongoing and i havent had that injection for 20 plus years and i am certainly not in the menopause at the moment. In addition to that, the mood swings we re addition to that, the mood swings were horrendous. My husband said he wasnt the same woman. He recognises that was not the woman he married and he says that all the time. At 1. I remember having an argument with him about packing shopping run in the boot of the car and i was furious with him and later crying because i couldnt understand why hay had got so worked up about something so insignificant. What about having children, is that related to endometriosis . We made the decision not to try to have children so we dont even know if it would have been possible. Not all women with endometriosis will struggle to get pregnant but some do. We chose not to try because we we re do. We chose not to try because we were concerned that my pain was debilitating and not under control and we were concerned about the effect it might have on my help and whether it could make it worse. Certainly some women when they are pregnant might be lucky enough that their symptoms go away for a period of time. They tend to find that once they stop breast feeding, their symptoms return. 0ther they stop breast feeding, their symptoms return. Other women have symptoms return. Other women have symptoms throughout their pregnancy. How are you being treated . symptoms throughout their pregnancy. How are you being treated . I was on zolidex injections and they didnt work. I was on them for eight months. At the moment it is a case of managing pain with medication like paracetamol and codeine, that kind of thing. I want to ask you, kate, about the treatments available. We have heard about injections. What else is out there . The hormones are one option and that injection hormone is one option for turning off the hormones. There are also progesterone hormones and combined oral contraceptives. What about having a hysterectomy . Having about having a hysterectomy . Having a hysterectomy is not really a treatment for endometriosis because it is not in the womb itself. That isa it is not in the womb itself. That is a myth . Yes, that is a related condition called adam meiosis where you get tissue within the lining of the womb, and in that case hysterectomy might be successful for you. Whenever things we do with a hysterectomy is to remove the ovaries and if the hormone treatment that turns off your hormones, the medical menopause injections, work for you, there may be a hysterectomy and removing your ovaries will be successful. But that is quite a drastic treatment to consider and certainly not we would recommend first line for young women. It has got to be thoroughly thought through before people consider it. Thinking of hysterectomy as a treatment for endometriosis should not be a vest and consideration nowadays. In terms of how long it takes to get diagnosed, let me read messages from our audience. Jordana said i suffer with this disease. There is no cure and it took 15 years to get my diagnosis. It is debilitating, not just every month but most days. There are said options but i have suffered worse than ever after undergoing laparoscopic surgery. I have been repeatedly offered hysterectomy but at the age of 3071 dont want to put myself through that. I cant go out to work and i cant commit to future engagement and offer my periods stop me fulfilling plans i have made. At the age of 37. Hattie said i have had this since i was 13 and i got diagnosed at 45. All my life i was told it was Irritable Bowel Syndrome and so many gps let me down and i have had a life of pain of missing out on so many things and straining relationships with family and friends. I have had an operation and lots of endo was removed but i was essentially glued together inside. And this one i was rushed into hospital three times with abdomen pain and they suspected a ruptured appendix. Finally i had the la pa rosco py appendix. Finally i had the laparoscopy done appendix. Finally i had the la pa roscopy done and appendix. Finally i had the laparoscopy done and they found the growth all over my womb and intestines and i had surgery for a total hysterectomy and of course my appendix was taken out as well. My advice for women who have this is to get it investigated before it becomes a serious as mine. Good luck with the campaign. We will follow it of course because it affects so many of course because it affects so many of our audience and we are very grateful for your time this morning. Thank you for coming on the programme. And if you want to get more information, go to the bbc action line and there are loads of organisations that can give you support and help and information. The number of vacancies in psychiatry in england has doubled in six years, this programme has been told. One in ten consultant posts, 568 out of 5,730, is vacant, up from one in 20 in 2013, according to a census by the Royal College of psychatrists. The vacancy rates are particularly high in areas of Mental Health care that have been prioritised by the government for improvement, such as childrens Mental Health services. We can speak now to karen peckover, who had to wait for treatment which she says led to a rapid deterioration in her Mental Health, and dr kate lovett, whos dean of the Royal College of psychiatrists, which is launching a campaign to encourageJunior Doctors to train in psychiatry. Thank you for coming on the programme. Kate, what does a psychiatrist do . I psychiatrist is a medically qualified doctor. We are Doctors First and foremost. We have gone on to do Specialist Training to become experts in diagnosing and treating people with mental illness. Just as an orthopaedic surgeon might go on to do Specialist Training after training to be a doctor, the same for a psychiatrist. To train as a psychiatrist it is 13 years from scratch with a starting salary of £26,500. Why have the figures of vacancies doubled in the last six yea rs . Vacancies doubled in the last six years . Lots of factors contributing to that. In this country we have historically not trained enough doctors and we have had to rely on other countries to support and feel the workforce gaps. Historically, psychiatry has under filled, although recently we have had some su ccesses although recently we have had some successes in recruiting doctors into psychiatry. We have had a 30 increase in those choosing psychiatry over the last three yea rs. Psychiatry over the last three years. But we are losing people as well. Conditions within the nhs, there are of different factors contributing to that. One of those are punitive pension taxes which are seeing psychiatrist, and also gps and senior doctors throughout medicine, leaving in droves. It is multifactorial. Karen, you have been u nwell multifactorial. Karen, you have been unwell in the past. I wonder what it is like when you are told that you have got to wait to see a psychiatrist. I have been seeing my gpfor psychiatrist. I have been seeing my gp for treatment for depression. I was put onto a waiting list to see a community psychiatrist. I was told that would be about ten weeks from being referred to getting my appointment. During that time i gradually became more unwell. I stopped eating. I wasnt talking to anybody. The depression was getting worse. It was just a long time to wait for somebody when i had asked for help to then have to wait that time to get the help. And your condition deteriorated . It did. People dont go to the gp until they are already unwell and too have to wait further is worse. How did that impact not only you but also your family . It impacted me because i was waiting for treatment and i didnt know what was happening. My family we re know what was happening. My family were trying to look after me. My youngest was six and my eldest was 18 andi youngest was six and my eldest was 18 and i have one in the middle. They were having to watch me getting progressively more unwell and not knowing how they could help me and what to do about it. In 201415, you we re what to do about it. In 201415, you were in hospitalfor a year. While in hospital, how long did you have to wait to see a psychiatrist . in hospital, how long did you have to wait to see a psychiatrist . I was admitted as a crisis, and a section. Under section. And whilst i was there, the post for psychiatrist in charge of the world was vacant and i had to locum psychiatrists while i was there and each time the co nsulta nt was there and each time the consultant changed, they had own ideas of treatment and said there was no continuity of care. It would have helped if i had had somebody to follow through the care. Of course it would. Absolutely. What are you going to do about it. How are you going to do about it. How are you going to do about it. How are you going to get morejunior going to do about it. How are you going to get more Junior Doctors to train in psychiatry . I think we need to change the narrative about what a psychiatrist is and what they do. We are uniquely placed to understand brains, how peoples bodies were, and how those things interact, and their background. The complicated factors that come together to precipitate mental illness. And historically i dont think we have been good enough at getting out there into medical schools and showcasing the very best that we have to offer. And i think also for people to hear stories like karens about how good Psychiatric Care has made a difference to their lives. That was the other thing i was going to say. You are in recovery now. Presumably that is because of a range of other medical professionals including a good psychiatrist. Yes, somebody who followed me through in the community. And how are you doing now . 0k, thank you. Thank you so much for coming on the programme, karen. And also kate, dean of the Royal College of psychiatrists. Thank you for your company today. We are back tomorrow at ten oclock. Newsroom live is coming up next. Good morning. We have had some rain around this morning. It is patchy at the moment across many parts of england and wales but we have also had some fairly strong winds. That is the scene a bit earlier on from parts of shropshire. Quite a bit of clout and we will keep lots of cloud for england and wales for the rest of the afternoon. I also mentioned the wind and the strongest gusts will be on the west of scotland. 55 to 60 mph gusts here that blustery conditions for many of us. Patchy rain in england and wales at the moment and into the afternoon heavy rain starting to develop in central and eastern parts. When that happens, further but it will become drier. Heavy showers across scotland, but some sunny spells here. Maximum temperature is 13 to 16. For tonight to the band of rain in the south east will clear away but still some showers coming into scotla nd but still some showers coming into scotland and northern ireland. They will feed their way south and east on tuesday. Some sunny spells but we will see heavy showers at times with temperatures 13 to 17. Goodbye. 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