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Good morning, welcome to breakfast with Naga Munchetty and jon kay. Our headlines today thomas cook asks for emergency government funding to stop it going bust and leaving thousands of holidaymakers stranded. Infighting overshadows the start of the Labour Party Conference as activists try to remove the deputy leader tom watson. Are our National Park a National Treasure which too few use . Will be talking about a big, bold plan for the future this morning. In sport. Australia make a winning start on day two of the Rugby World Cup as they beat a talented fiji side, with the game of the day to come holders new zealand against south africa later. Good morning. Itll be another dry and sunny day for the vast majority of the uk. A little warmer for many of us than yesterday, but windier as well. But there are changes afoot as the day progresses, particularly in the west. Ill have more detail for you in around a quarter of an hour. Good morning. Its saturday the 21st of september. Our top story. Thomas cook has asked the government for financial help as it tries to avoid collapse. Britains oldest package holiday firm could fall into administration this weekend unless it finds £200 Million Pounds to secure a rescue deal. Katie prescott has more. Its low season for thomas cook in more ways than one. The weak pound makes it more expensive for it to buy the flights and hotels it pays for in euros and dollars. It is in a competitive market where profits are small and it has a lot of costs hundreds of shops and 22,000 staff. Now heading into the winter period, the debt laden company has a cash flow crisis. If we book a holiday with thomas cook, we will pay for it before we go, obviously, but they actually do not pay the hotel until after we are back, so they pay 60 to 90 days later, which means that everybody that went on holiday through the summer, it is now that thomas cook is beginning to have to pay the hotels. They simply cant and if they cant pay the suppliers, then the Company Faces a pretty tough time. The Company Lenders say it needs an extra £200 million on top of the money its already secured for a bailout. With a vote on that lifeline next friday, the company is hoping it can get over the next few days to reach that finish. Its a nervous time for customers. We just dont know what the situation is. We will either have a flight back and get back to manchester and be fortunate or things could collapse in the next couple of days or hours and we have nothing to go back on, so its just a case of waiting, really. If the company goes into administration, their 150,000 uk package holiday customers will be brought home and those whove booked holidays will be refunded. Katie prescott, bbc news. Lets speak to our correspondent jane frances kelly, whos in our london newsroom for us this morning. Jane, how are things looking for thomas cook . What exactly is happening now . That are able to deadlines . It has approached a number of investors, including the government for this extra funding. The department for transport, when approached, would not be drawn, saying in a statement that it did not speculate on the financial situation of individual businesses. Now, the unions have asked the government to step in, saying it is going to cost them more if thomas cook does go into administration. It has been estimated that it will cost £600 million to repatriate 150,000 holiday makers. But £600 million to repatriate150,000 holiday makers. But it does seem unlikely that the government, on pat stryker, will step in because it has not. It did not rescue carolyn, which was a Bigger Company on past record. It did not rescue carillion. The us has said it will send military forces to saudi arabia after drone and missile attacks on the kingdoms oil facilities. Washington has blamed iran for the attack, as david willis reports. Having initially pronounced the United States locked and loaded, President Trump now favours defence of attack. The president has approved the deployment of us forces which will be primarily defence. The number of additional troops being deployed to the middle east will be decided over the weekend in talks with the saudis. The attack on two of saudi arabias largest Oil Installations last weekend forced the kingdom to shut down half of its production and prompted the largest rise in crude oil prices in a single day. The Trump Administration branded it an attack on the global economy. Yet, although the saudis believe the wreckage recovered from those attacks is that of iranian drones and cruise missiles, they have yet to pinpoint precisely where the weapons were fired from. Mr trump also announced sanctions on financial institutions, including irans National Bank which, he says, is fuelling money to iranian backed terrorist organisations. The president and first lady played host to a state banquet tonight a celebration of 100 years of mateship, so it was said, between the United States and australia. Scott morrison said the us had no more sure and steadfast friend than australia. Next week at the united nations, mr trump will attempt to harness friends and allies in a Diplomatic Coalition against iran. David willis, bbc news, washington. A fresh bout of labour infighting is overshadowing the start of the partys conference today, after an attempt to remove tom watson as the partys deputy leader. A move by the grassroots group, momentum, to abolish his position failed to get the majority it needed last night. Another attempt is expected at the conference in brighton this morning. Lets speak now to our political correspondent, susana mendonca, who joins us from our london newsroom. There seems to have taken everybody by surprise, apparentlyJeremy Corbyn did not know about it and tom watson was not there. What happened . It was emergency motion, put forward byjohn manson, the founder of momentum a Jeremy Corbyn supporting group. It goes to the floor of the labour conference, and if it does go toa labour conference, and if it does go to a vote, potentially tom watson could lose and that post of deputy leader could cease to exist. Were not sure whether it will get that far, we understand thatJeremy Corbyn was not on board with this, so corbyn was not on board with this, so could there be some intervention with the leadership . Possibly but all of this is really annoyed a lot of people in the labour party who wa nted of people in the labour party who wanted us to be the moment that labour showed a united front and they want the to be talking about they want the to be talking about the policies at the start of the conference, but instead were talking about Party Disunity and labour have been taking the high ground in some respects in comparison to what has been going on in the conservative party where we saw those 21 tory mps purged from the party and labour are saying that were not doing this kind of thing, then we see that the pa rtys kind of thing, then we see that the partys deputy leader is in a position where he might cease to play that role. He is does not see eye to eye withJeremy Corbyn and brexit. And if he loses his job, where to go and what does he do then . Thank you very much. And well be speaking to shadow women and equalities secretary, dawn butler, in just a few minutes. The teenage activist Greta Thunberg has hailed the global day of protests she inspired as the biggest climate strike in history. Millions of people around the world have taken part in demonstrations over the last 2a hours, ahead of a summit in new york next week. The teenager addressed people in the city, praising them for taking part in what she called a wave of change. We all live here, it affects all of us, and we will notjust stand aside and watch. We are united behind the science and we will do everything in our power to stop this crisis from getting worse. Cheers. Fears that thousands people could storm the top secret us if if you have been on social media you will have seen that there was a plan that thousands or millions of people would go to that secret military base of area 51. 3 Million People responded to a post injune, but this is what happened in reality. A man dressed as an alien failed to get in. About 75 people turned up, there were not any buses in the end. Some of them wearing fa ncy in the end. Some of them wearing fancy dress, nobody got into the site, so maybe another conspiracy. Why did it all fall apart . Where the intercepted and so my . It is over for now, at least. Two agreement. I underestimated it. Two green men. Completely mad, incredibly destructive and undemocratic thats how some senior labour mps have reacted to the news that deputy leader tom watsons post could be abolished. The fallout comes ahead of the Labour Party Conference, which gets under way in brighton today. Were joined from there now by shadow women and equalities secretary, dawn butler. Thank you very much for talking to us thank you very much for talking to us this morning. I know that you wa nt to us this morning. I know that you want to talk about, and we will talk about, how we were pushing summers to get employers in the workplace to recognise the menopause and adjust the for women how you are pushing for some employers in the workplace to recognise the menopause and adjust for women. At the moment there is a push to remove the deputy leader of the labour party, what is your position on this . What youre referencing is a motion that was forward at the Partys National executive body, democratically elected members, they put motions all the time and they discuss many, many motions. It has, in effect, a private meeting, which i am not a pa rt private meeting, which i am not a part of, so it has a separate body of the party and it is important to just outline that. So that people understand, because sometimes when a test book about it is spoken as if were all about the table having this discussion, when it is not. When it is spoken about it is as if we are all run the table having this discussion. The governing budding of the party had put forward this motion. It did not go through yesterday governing body of the party. I understand that motion is going to be discussed today, it has not gone through and its not something that has been passed. But i understand that were going to discuss it today. Does it surprise you . Iam discuss it today. Does it surprise you . I am looking at some social media words from our political correspondence, quoting tom watson at he found out very late last night that he find out about this plot to scrap his position. He said he got a message any Chinese Restaurant in manchester that they were abolishing him. To get rid of a post that has beenin him. To get rid of a post that has been in the Labour Party Since 1900, there is significant. Yes does not i did not even know that tom got the text a ny did not even know that tom got the text any Chinese Restaurant, because i thought he was looking after his children. Tom is supposed to be at the meeting, so he is entitled and should be at that meeting as well. So that is why i think it is important that people sort of understand the structure of the party. Tom should have been at that meeting as well, but today, as a surprise to me, yes it did. It came com pletely surprise to me, yes it did. It came completely out of the blue. I thought when i would be doing the media wednesday that everyone they quite enthusiastic about my policy and the pa rtys quite enthusiastic about my policy and the partys policy in to menopausal women and ensuring that companies and businesses and organisations we address how they view women who are going through the menopause, but i understand that it is on twitter and everybody wants to talk about it, but i do think that anyway, it has been presented very differently to how it works in reality. Differently to how it works in reality. I will address those policies that you want to push her, but at the time of instability, which i think is fair the political world, tom watson has been on the radio this morning saying it is a straight sectarian attack on a broad church party and labour is putting itself as a stable potential to the conservatives, yet at this time it feels that the labour party itself is massively split . I think, anyway, presenting at way is also incorrect. 0ur leader, Jeremy Corbyn, has not purged 21 members of its own party and pratley lost his majority. I think it is still very different to the conservatives, so do not think you can compare this to anatomy. And not deliberately lost his majority. Apologies for talking over you, butjohn watson also said thomas also said thatjamie can stop this if he wants to tom watson has said that butJeremy Corbyn is not backing his deputy leader . I mean, he should not get involved in the governing body of the party to determine what they do and what they say. Members of the labour party can say what they like in their meetings. That is democracy. That is what we stand for. They can say what they like and we can have different opinions. I do not know how oftenjamie and tom speak on the phone, so i cannot comment on that. I do not know if they have communicated jamie that he wishes he was at the meeting. It was a shock for me to be dead. Ican meeting. It was a shock for me to be dead. I can imagine that it would be a shock, but at the end of the day, we do have different procedures and structures in the party and i think that what we should really do is merely wait until they had their meeting this morning and then see what comes out of that because it might not even be talked about later on. You do not think it is going to happen . That has possession will not be abolished . Happen . That has possession will not be abolished . His position will not be abolished . Be abolished . His position will not be abolished . I do not know because im not in that meeting, but their meeting again this morning, so it might all be nothing. By this afternoon, everybody might just it might all be nothing. By this afternoon, everybody mightjust be talking about the menopause. You know, i do not know what might happen. You see that a Labour Government would require all large employers to introduce a menopause at workplace policy, so it is basically forcing companies are asking companies to take responsibility for their employees, carry out risk assessments etc for women who are experiencing the menopause and offer expedited work. How easy do think that his temperamentvery easy to implement. All it takes is the will to want to do it. Its just all it takes is the will to want to do it. Itsjust about all it takes is the will to want to do it. Its just about educating people in the workplace. Women over 50 are the biggest Growth Numbers that are entering the workforce at the moment. We have 11. 5 million women aged between 50 and 64 who the moment. We have 4. 5 million women aged between 50 and 64 who are currently working and her through some going through the menopause. Get yourself trained up, is what we said companies, so that you know what the symptoms are, reassess your Sickness Absence policy so that if women need to take time off because theyre going through some severe symptoms of the menopause, that it does not count against them. Risk assess the workplace so that, you know, it might be a case of looser clothing or whatever or more ventilation. Risk assess the workplace and just make sure that we have a modern workplace for a modern time. At the end of the day, to seriously Cost Effective as well because i just mean seriously Cost Effective as well because ijust mean that everybody is honest. Lots of women at the moment will take time off as sickly, but not say the reason why. Because of embarrassment or because of a lack of understanding. Does the labour party have a policy for allowing women who are going through the menopause sufficient flexibility when it comes to working practices for the mps . We have very Flexible Working policies in the labour party, yes. Absolutely. We have very Flexible Working policies and we are very open about that as well. I mean, as members of parliament, we have different policies, but i have a very sort of Flexible Working policy as well. I have people working for me who are single pa rents, working for me who are single parents, got Mental Health issues, and they know that if they are not feeling up to it, they can pick up the phone and say yes. So, yes, we do have a policy in the party in regards to the menopause. It is very flexible, as i say, and yes, we are implemented, practising what we preach. Everything that were going through, everything that were sent organisations and companies to do, were also practising that within the party. Thank you very much for talking to us, the shadow women and equalities minister dawn butler. Heres helen with a look at this mornings weather. We need the rain because it has been dry this september so far so when we say that there is a change in the way i think that people will say that it way i think that people will say thatitis way i think that people will say that it is welcome for the gardens. We have some mist and some fog across the North Eastern parts of england and the midlands it has a little bit misty along with eastern parts of scotland as well. At this time of year, because the sun just does not have the same strength that it is over the summer, it takes until 9am or attorney for that fog to clear. After that, for most of us it is another warm and sunny day. The High Pressure isjust about hanging on and today is the start of the transition assess weather france has to come in. Ahead of that we are pulling it are tapping into this really warm feet. We have some tropical air coming of the atlantic this really warm feed. The other changes a few sharp showers, thunderstorms for devon and cornwall and pembrokeshire and later Northern Ireland. The exceptions and at the reel for most of us is a dry sunshine. Temperatures getting up to the mid 20s for some of us although it is windy. Particularly across middle and south eastern areas the temperatures getting up. If you are exposed to the strong and gusty wind, it will temper the feel of things. That window just wind, it will temper the feel of things. That windowjust keeps blowing through the night and showers meander their way further northwards across england and wales. The north east of scotland will be quite cool again tonight, but look at the temperatures elsewhere. We have had some really chilly nights all week, but 15 to 17 across southern and Western Areas tonight, which is much milder. It doesnt is temperatures as they should be during the day this time of year. Further afield, if you are a rugby fan, im sure you will be turning tuning into ireland and scotland tomorrow. There is a storm not too far away from western japan and the failure you are from sapporo it does look as if it should be dry here. The further up you are from sapporo. Up the further up you are from sapporo. Up to scotland and then theres weather front will bring a band of more persistent rain and there will be heavy rain and showers. This is a more persistent band, southern else, language Northern Ireland because it is that why scotland eventually. No particular goal behind it and there will be if youre showers triggered here and there and not as warmer today because it is changing. That is that as we go through the coming week, we get the equinox on monday and the weather charts look as if it is autumn once again. Thank you very much indeed. It is a day to be out and about. Jayneis jayne is out and about today. Morning jayne, what more can you tell us . It is going to stand here and what can we see, fantastic scenes. We have had the most amazing sunrise. We are talking about this big, bold plan to try and reinvigorate National Parks. Things like 1000 new park rangers and a guaranteed night under the stars for every Single School child in britain. More affordable homes, bike racks on buses. These are some of the 27 recommendations being made today. Come and meet the report author. And campaignfora come and meet the report author. And campaign for a National Plan campaign for a National Plan campaignfor campaign for a National Plan campaign for National Parks. Thank you forjoining us. Really interesting, the reaction for some people as a whole, hold on, if you tell people how beautiful it has undertaken, they will run it. We do wa nt to undertaken, they will run it. We do want to burn it, we want to make it better for, were happier, want to burn it, we want to make it betterfor, were happier, greener, we do not want to ruin it, we wa nt to we do not want to ruin it, we want to make it better. We have to doa want to make it better. We have to do a lot more for people. We have can make people understand that eve ryo ne can make people understand that everyone in the country makes it feel part of their lives, not spell it and leave letter coming get something and get fit and do a lot more for nature because we have a crisis for Climate Change and biodiversity loss and i think the report were done today, the big report were done today, the big report commissioned by the government argues that people nature can Work Together to make these places better and more beautiful. As this and that of a Classical Music thing going on where people think it is for us, it is not for them . People feel really passionate about these landscapes and so they should. It is fantastic to be here this morning. These are beautiful places. We have to bring people together and with pathfinder so that we can make improvements for nature and for the landscape and so that these people and places can dive. Thank you for your time this morning. So that these people and places can thrive. I wanted to meet yvonne whose job and has to bring people in from the city, from sheffield, to enjoy the city. And john from the Peak District group. He told me this morning, it isjust like district group. He told me this morning, it is just like to district group. He told me this morning, it isjust like to make a . I love it because when i come here if you like at his home. It is like my second home. There are things to do and just get excited because i am not in the city and i can relax, set up not in the city and i can relax, set up on not in the city and i can relax, set upona not in the city and i can relax, set up on a rock and i can read a poem andl up on a rock and i can read a poem and i can share that with people. I encourage people to come because there is something here for everyone and when they come, we can sit and talk. It is like socialising and getting people to come together, know each other and do things together. And learning about this. This is yourjob, youre very passionate about it . John, what is it about the countryside that you think people who have never set foot here from the city need to get out and enjoy . Well, it is good for us physically because we get some exercise and it is good for us mentally. It actually is good for peoples Mental Health. It is good for the sole . And indeed, very much good for the soul. I have a statement here from the government which i have not got time to go through properly. They say that for me as of the Lake District the welders of exmoor, england thes must be at places define country and today where mike. 0h, must be at places define country and today where mike. Oh, no, that is not the governments statement that is julians statement. Not the governments statement that isjulians statement. The government say that they welcome the report and theyre going to look into these recommendations and no promises yet. When and if theyre going to have met them, but we will follow this. You are right behind it. Next sunday i am going on about. Come and join her and we will see that you always get more bang for your back. Sorry about that take care, see again later. Nancy fielder, editor of the sheffield star newspaper is here to tell us whats caught her eye. 0ne one of the first pieces that you have chosen is about that very story. They are talking about getting kids to go camping in those National Parks to try to open their eyes . They are and that is a brilliant initiative. There is no one who would disagree with that. Children need to get out more and start reconnecting and getting links back to yesterdays protest. In the reported mention is that there are a lot of children never leave the city and in sheffield and manchester, which border the area you have just been on any peaks, there are lots who never make it into the city ce ntre who never make it into the city centre and skills who want to do trips but cannot afford a bus town that makes ghouls who want to do trips but cannot for the bus into town. The government need to put money their mouth is. We need a statement from the government, for that, do we not . Maybe we should go back to jane . 18 who is fed a three chip and not 18 who is fed through a tube and not able to walk or talk was forced to go through Effective Work interview. His parents are clear benefits on his behalf and he was called to go to the job centre to prove whether he could work are not . He had to go to re st could work are not . He had to go to rest he had to leave respite care and they took one look at him, he cannot setup by himself, and realised that he could not do anything by himself and apologise. But how many people in similar circumstances have been treated the same way . We have talked many times about how this can affect people. The government has apologised and the secretary of state has said that they have apologised to ms faulkner and their processing her sons claim quickly. Great pictures from all over the world for this climate strike protest from australia and europe and everywhere in between. There are a great sense of humour is on display yesterday. We have some of with pitcher david attenborough, do it for david. Is there life on mars . Were not going to need it. And that there is no planet b. If you look there, there is a quote there from a 16 yo girl injohannesburg and this is what they have done. People far younger than me or you have ta ken control of people far younger than me or you have taken control of this agenda and when do we ever caught normal teenagers having a really strong, brilliant view on everything . I think it is absolutely incredible that they are becoming the leaders and the leaders are being forced to follow. That might have more of it and hope the people with the power start listening more to everyday people. In particular young people who do not often get their views across. Only lightish note, we interviewed bjorn from abba, and there is a show in sweden that has been going on for a few years and it is basically mama mia and any the 02 and you will become part of the play. You can endure any taverna and euro waiters and waitresses and eve ryo ne euro waiters and waitresses and everyone is acting you are in the taverna. The papers are picked up on bjorn any jumpsuit. Taverna. The papers are picked up on bjorn anyjumpsuit. I thought we might as well talk about it because if it was a woman any bjorn, we would all talk about it. He is delighted to still wear it and if you read right at the end, he says that he will never put that outfit on again, but i think golden flowers. On again, but i think golden flowers. It has the same jumps at . And he is 74 . That is impressive. He looked so well when he was here. And still make an enthusiastic and still working. It is obviously a weekend of the cycling clothes because there isa of the cycling clothes because there is a picture ofjennifer lopez wearing a dress that she were years ago. Were going to talk again and an error. Thank you. Youre watching breakfast from bbc news. Still to come this morning. Well bejoined by the people behind hit documentary American Factory, the first film from barack and michelle 0bamas production company. Stay with us, headlines coming up. Hello, this is breakfast with Naga Munchetty and jon kay. A summary of this mornings main news. Thomas cook has asked the government for financial help as it tries to avoid collapse. Britains oldest package holiday firm could fall into administration this weekend unless it finds £200 million to secure a rescue deal. If the company fails, the cost of bringing home passengers is estimated to be around £600 million. A fresh bout of labour infighting is overshadowing the start of the partys conference today, after an attempt to remove tom watson as the partys deputy leader. Last night, a motion put forward by allies ofJeremy Corbyn to abolish his position failed to get the majority it needed, but another attempt is expected this morning. Mr watson has increasingly been at odds with the leader over labours stance on brexit. The us has said it will send military forces to saudi arabia after drone and missile attacks on the kingdoms oil facilities. Washington has blamed iran for the strikes. Secretary of defence mark esper told reporters the deployment would be defensive in nature. Total troop numbers have not yet been decided. The teenage activist Greta Thunberg has hailed the global day of protests she inspired as the biggest climate strike in history. Millions of people around the world have taken part in demonstrations over the last 24 hours, ahead of a summit in new york next week. The teenager addressed people in the city praising them for taking part in what she called a wave of change. We all live here, it affects all of us, and we will notjust stand aside and watch. We are united behind the science and we will do everything in our power to stop this crisis from getting worse. A masterplan for a shakeup of englands National Parks has called for every school child to spend a night under the stars to connect with nature. The major review, published today, sets out ways to get more people to spend time in areas of outstanding natural beauty. Suggestions include introducing park rangers similar to those who patrol National Parks in the us. The tom watson story, he has given an interview today on the radio and described it as a straight sectarian attack on a broad church party. Member of the shadow cabinet earlier said she was not party to what was going on and that vote is happening later this morning. Tom watson described the attempt to get rid of him asa described the attempt to get rid of him as a drive by shooting today on bbc and he said thatJeremy Corbyn could stop it if he wanted to but he claimsjeremy could stop it if he wanted to but he claims Jeremy Corbyn could stop it if he wanted to but he claimsJeremy Corbyn still has not called him. And we understand Jeremy Corbyn expressed surprise himself hearing that the boat had taken place yesterday evening. And don butler upon the shadow cabinet said earlier there is nothing technically thatJeremy Corbyn as leader could do, it is a decision for the labour conference and create that is going to overshadow the labour conference today. We will keep you abreast of developments as the programme proceeds. We have excitement building ahead of the Rugby World Cup . Australia made a winning start on day two. Ithink. I think theyre experienced told on the end. So in the coming days and weeks it is going to be thrilling. Australia made a winning start on day two of the Rugby World Cup, beating a talented fiji side, who made a great start, peceli yato gave them an early 8 0 lead. And fiji went on to lead at the break and scored again early in the second half as a shock looked possible but australia made their experience count and finished really strongly, thanks to four second half tries that saw the two time winners home. Now fiji lost their try scorer yato after just 25 minutes following a head injury in this tackle. Many saying reece hodge should have been red carded but wasnt sanctioned. The game of the day though is coming up in yokohama. The defending champions new zealand up against south africa. The all blacks have never lost a pool game since the world cup started. No wonder head coach steve hansen is confident. 0ne one thing one thing i do know if we play to the best of our ability doesnt matter who we play, they will have to play really well to beat us and if they do so then well done to them and we have to accept that. If they do not then they may have to accept the consequences. Scotland and ireland face each other in their opener tomorrow. Scotland have only beaten ireland once since the last world cup but on their day they can beat anyone, and who can forget that brilliant comeback against england in the six nations, a match wghich finished in a draw. Head coach Gregor Townsend aware of the dangers ireland pose. We have to take the opportunities and we have to limit the opportunities that ireland get, because theyve shown over the past two or three years that they do take opportunities. They get into the opposition 22 and they come away with points. England also play tomorrow. Not many happy memories from the last world cup when they became the first host nation to go out at the group phase. But they have some genuine world beaters in their side, and they will need those players to stay fit. Plenty of emphasis on youth as well, eddie jones doesnt think inexperience will be an issue. If you look at what this teams been through over the last probably five or six years, not all of them, you know, theyve won a lot, theyve lost a lot, theyve had some extraordinary tough situations and theyve had some great situations, so all of that accumulated experience probably counts more than caps. Heres a defensive howler southampton wont want to see again. As they lost to rivals bournemouth in the pl. They were back in it at 2 1 only for this mix up. Angus gunn and jan bednarek each leaving to each other. Callum wilson capitalising as bournemouth won at st marys for the first time. Reporter when the points were sealed with that third goal, it looks like it was a bit like pandemonium down on your bench with delight. Yeah, it was a nice moment. I think you very rarely get those moments in football. Weve had, probably in my ten years of management, a handful where you have that pure emotion and joy for a few seconds, and then you start thinking about next week and west ham very quickly. And there are some big games in the premier league today, totttenham and leicester in the early kick off. Manchester city face watford, chelsea face liverpool tomorrow. Football focus on air at midday today. Dans with us. Alex 0xlade chamberlain on the Programme Today . Yes and we have the honesty card as well which this week goes to chelsea. I am said one of them Tammy Abraham and mason mount have done honesty card this week. Really good fun liverpool have a perfect record so far and Pep Guardiola has said the best opponents of any club he has managed. So how exactly chamberlain has given an interview, he is one of those players with a really good sense of humour and he does not mind throwing opinions out there. Nick asked quite a few questions, how mad is the manager and also a bit of this. Mohamed salah is not selfish because . Is not selfish, are you winding me up the guy does not pass to us ask sadio mane mo salah is not selfish because he is a goal scorer, he has got to do that and we cannot expect him to pass as the ball all the time and then score loads of goals. We win the game, im happy probably the right answer but when they played at burnley a few weeks ago he did not get the ball from sadio mane and he was a bit annoyed but livable doing so well and the start of the season. And talking of burnley, dion dublin is on the programme this morning and he has been meeting with sean dyche, he followed him around the Training Ground to see what the manager gets up ground to see what the manager gets up to. Lovely picture with James Norwood who is a striker with ipswich and he is big into wrestling. 0bsessed ipswich and he is big into wrestling. Obsessed with wwe and he has taken part in a Charity Wrestling match recently as well. Not with the rock he is obsessed with wrestling so we had a chat about that. And also fort william, they play in the Highland League and have had this terrible record, not winning a game in 882 games just the worst record every and they won last week for the first time so we went to see them. Beautiful part of scotland, and talk about the Rugby World Cup, we have some warburton earlier this week and he is looking forward to wales playing. He is taking on premier League Predictions this weekend for that we also have Mark Lawrenson on the sofa with dion dublin. And someone on this server was a winner in a pro am Golf Tournament he was upset when louise won and you did not when but at least now you have a trophy. |j won and you did not when but at least now you have a trophy. I was very proud of louise again it is a weird system, i played with miles warren, three idiots and then you get three normal people playing with these professionals. We had tyrell hatton, he was so good when we played with him. He had eight birdies so then that made it quite easy. That sets us up beautifully he doesnt believe hes back to his bestjust yet, but hes showing signs of getting there, after Danny Willett moved into a share of the lead at the halfway stage of the pga championship at wentworth in surrey. He is the former masters champion, but saw form and fitness dip after that win. Hes on 11 under par alongside Spains Jon Rahm after a second round of 65. Rory mcilroy narrowly made the cut but is 12 shots behind. Super League Champions wigan warriors beat Salford Red Devils 18 12 in their qualifying final. They scored three tries including this one from George Williams but it was in defence where they were most impressive. It means they are now just one win away from the grand final at old trafford. Lewis hamiltons form was as hot as the weather during practice for the singapore grand prix. The championship leader said it felt like a sauna in his mercedes car as he clocked the quickest lap at the marina bay street circuit. The briton was just under two tenths of a second quicker than red bulls max verstappen, but almost a second ahead of the ferrari of Sebastian Vettel in third. Qualifying gets underway at two oclock. It isa it is a bumper day for the wall to wall rugby this morning. Date when you need it not to be really sunny outside or move the television outside get creative move it inside but facing out into the garden so it is not blinded by the garden so it is not blinded by the sun. Heres helen with a look at this mornings weather. I cannot help it, it is going to be sunny outside so this is beautiful north yorkshire, and elsewhere across North Eastern parts of england at the moment there is some mist and fog around. But it is going to be another sunny day and feeling warm. It might be a little bit windy, quite a strong south easterly windy, quite a strong south easterly wind elevating the temperatures once again pushing that low cloud and fog out of the way but it brings with it a risk of lightening into devon and cornwall. But we did just have scattered showers. For most of us dry and sunny but windy. To be aware of that. Through this evening we have at risk of lightening. But look at these temperatures, overnight they have been in single figures for most and they still could be in the north east of scotland. But it is far milder tonight because of all this cloud and the wind and rain as well. So the rain is forecast for the rugby tomorrow, ireland the scotla nd the rugby tomorrow, ireland the scotland in tokyo at risk of some rain from scotland in tokyo at risk of some rainfrom a scotland in tokyo at risk of some rain from a nearby tropical storm. England should stay dry at this stage but we will keep an eye on that. And the match today for new zealand will be dry as well. Some backin zealand will be dry as well. Some back in the uk for sunday a lot more cloud in the sky. Then the risk of showers progressing further in north east and this is a more persistent band of rain. Again not lasting all day. But just more band of rain. Again not lasting all day. Butjust more rain than we have seen for the still quite windy but not as windy as today and by monday the autumn equinox the rain is up towards the north. Another one hot on its heels and this is the re m na nts of on its heels and this is the remnants of some tropical air and that means some rain and strong wind and feeling much more of tunnel. Autumnal. Lets return to one of our top stories now. Thousands of University Students in england, wales, and Northern Ireland are being forced to pay back millions of pounds to the Student Loans company. Its because the company had given them loans that were too big and now its taking the money back. Paul lewis from radio 4s moneyBox Programme is in our london newsroom for us this morning. Paul, how did you discover this . We have been investigating and my colleague has been doing an investigation and put in a freedom of information request and what we discovered was staggering, £25 million was recovered in the last Academic Yearfrom million was recovered in the last Academic Year from 20,000 students still at university their maintenance loan for rent and food had been miscalculated by the Student Loans company. They depend partly on your parents income and the students fill in a box to say what their parental income is an sent proof but in 20,000 cases the slc got the calculation wrong. As a loss out. My first year of university gave me about £3500 and that wiped out around £1000 every six weeks and coming from a working class family i assumed i would get the higher end of the loan and when it came through and did not question it and then in my second yearl question it and then in my second year i got a letter saying theyd made a mistake and they told me i had been overpaid over £2000. There was an admin error on their side they admitted in a phone call that they admitted in a phone call that they made a mistake. But that is your problem now, essentially. That was lottie and £2000 she said but that was her term so very big debt at the of year one and she has been paying that back just at the of year one and she has been paying that backjust about at the of year one and she has been paying that back just about all at the of year one and she has been paying that backjust about all her time at university. They said they would take back that overpayment in my second and final year at university. My rent alone was £700 a month and it did not even cover that andl month and it did not even cover that and i had to pick up full time work and i had to pick up full time work and a Part Time Job as well and still do my full Time University course. Itjust hit him quite hard when i was getting final reminders for water bills and warnings that the water of the would be cut off andl the water of the would be cut off and ijust the water of the would be cut off and i just had the water of the would be cut off and ijust had no money at all. I had maxed out credit cards undoing the chops and just was thinking what could i sell. I finished university two years ago and im still living paycheque to paycheque. And even though she has Left University shes still owes £1200 to the student loa ns still owes £1200 to the Student Loans company. And what of the company saying to people like lottie, 20,000 of them . They are saying they have a legal duty to recover the money and they have to recover the money and they have to recover it from maintenance loan is that it would be playing in future but it insists there is help available and no student should be in Financial Hardship but that certainly has not been the experience of many. What can be done . Well you mentioned it is england, wales and Northern Ireland and in scotland they do things a lot better i have to say, they pay monthly maintenance loans so any errors are picked up early and solved early in consultation with the student. That is one answer and the student. That is one answer and the other at your course would be maybe there is overpaid amounts should be added to the student loan overall and pay back in the normal weight once they have graduated and got a job. We will see if anything happens. Thank you very much. You can hear more on bbc radio 4s money Box Programme at midday. Its been described by critics as a tragi comedy a documentary about what happened when a chinese billionaire opened a factory on an abandoned car plant in the american midwest. The film, American Factory, is the first feature documentary from michelle and barack 0bamas production company. Well speak to the directors Steven Bognar and Julia Reichert shortly, but first lets take a look. This is what the chinese management made of their american counterparts. It is sprinkled as you understand a bit of a tragicomedy. Film makers steven and julia join us now. What is fascinating about this is the clash of cultures that eventually comes out and just out to be embedded in getting to know the factory workers right from the beginning when the deal has been announced. And then they let you stay kind of as relations sour. Well you know we live in that town in the midwest and we love to tell stories like this. I think we got the chairman who is the owner of the factory and he allowed us in and gave us permission. We took no money from the company and we got complete access. They have no editorial control at all and that was important to us as film makers. Control at all and that was important to us as filmmakers. He isa important to us as filmmakers. He is a larger than life character, like a chinese al pacino. He is a big presence, takes over the room and for some reason he just felt the story should be told. He knew it would be big but i dont think any of us knew how frustrated people would get as time went on. It is surprising that any company and perhaps particularly a Chinese Company in the United States would allow you that continued access. Im sure you could not believe it. So many of the things that result we had to pinch ourselves but i think we gained his trust and also i think he isa we gained his trust and also i think he is a bit ofa we gained his trust and also i think he is a bit of a maverick and he kind of understood that he, you know, he took over an old General Motors plant and the americans had abandoned it. And many president ial candidates at that point where of course saying that china is taking ourjobs but he was bringing jobs to america and he was proud of that. Everyone in that factory trusted us, notjust the everyone in that factory trusted us, not just the boss of the chairman, everyone in the film made a decision to say ok i will let these folks hang out with me and fill me for a year, two years, three years. That was so year, two years, three years. That was so generous and brave. And they work vulnerable in their positions and it became more tenuous as time went on so imagine what the atmosphere was like. Of course it got very tense and we had the economic crash in america, the General Motors plant had closed and in the years between there had been suicides, People Living in a car, taking jobs with no benefits at 8 an hourso taking jobs with no benefits at 8 an hour so the stakes were high to make this work. At first there was a lot of curiosity and excitement and so forth but then as the jobs did not get better, the atmosphere was really hot in there, the jobs were really hot in there, the jobs were really ha rd. Really hot in there, the jobs were really hard. The chinese management style is very different from what the americans are used to. The chinese in their country there used to having a country that is really on the rise and that is partly because people are willing to work 12 hour days, six a week. Theyjust accept that. They are willing to. The americans are not willing to do that, that is not our culture. One big revelation was the chinese experience and when we started our hearts are with the americans but we realised to try to tell the story and have empathy of what it is like for a guy to come over to the United States and not see his children for two years, work seven days a week, we wanted to express that journey as well. And we were at the chinese film makers to well. And we were at the chinese film makers to really well. And we were at the chinese film makers to really build that character as well. In the film is backed by the 0bama family. And whether clip i think now. Lets take a look at you two with michelle and barack 0bama, chatting about the film and how it inspired them. Those first scenes of those folks on the floor in their uniforms was my background, that was my father and that was reflected in this film. Well have a sacred story that us meaning and purpose and how we organise our lives. If you know someone and have talked on the face to face, if you can forge a connection whether you agree with them or not on everything, there are some Common Ground to be found and you can move forward together. Interesting for you to be working with them. Also interesting that they are backing this project because this is can, this is the kind of rust Belt Community that barack 0bama kind of rust Belt Community that ba rack 0bama was kind of rust Belt Community that barack 0bama was accused of forgetting and ignoring and then which led to the ascendancy of donald trump. Well he did not forget or ignore them, he was dealing with a very obstinate conquest at the time but the stories that their new company want to tell other kind of stories of working people. The uk has wonderful film makers like ken loach and mike leigh who tell the stories of working people but we tell the story is normally of superheroes and the 0bama has wanted to tell the stories of working people. I watched the interview and they very much want people to see themselves on tv and notjust cb elite by the unattainable so eve ryo ne elite by the unattainable so everyone can be recognisable. They have both come from Humble Beginnings if you think about it. Herfather beginnings if you think about it. Her father was beginnings if you think about it. Herfather was a worker as beginnings if you think about it. Her father was a worker as well and they want to elevate stories like that. I also think their company is called Higher Ground and ourfilm tries to listen to everyone fairly andi tries to listen to everyone fairly and i think they also like that about it. And it is a great story if you see the film, there are a lot of twists and turns. Would you work with them again . We would love to. They saw the film when it was done, they did not work on the edit and they did not work on the edit and they just when they did not work on the edit and theyjust when it they did not work on the edit and they just when it was done. They did not work on the edit and theyjust when it was done. And then embraced it, as they say. It is a fascinating watch. American Factory is available to watch now on netflix. Stay with us, headlines coming up

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