Sold out already. Its sold out already. Six oclock on thursday, the 19th its six oclock on thursday, the 19th of september. And coming up, John Humphrys has presented his final edition of radio 4s today programme after 32 years. Good evening. Welcome to bbc news. Its extremely rare for Buckingham Palace to react to a news story, but today thats precisely whats happened. An official has expressed displeasure after David Cameron revealed that he asked for the queens help in the run up to the Scottish Independence vote in 2014. It has led to accusations that the former Prime Minister tried to drag the queen into what was a highly controversial matter. Mr cameron has been speaking to the bbc about his six years as Prime Minister and denies he did anything improper. Our deputy Political Editor john pienaar has more. But anyway, its very good to welcome you here. Its the highest relationship in britain, and certainly the most discreet. Only now, David Camerons been given a rare royal rebuke for disclosing how he sought the queens help in his fight to keep her kingdom intact and how help was given. This was the moment in 2014 David Cameron realised the union was safe, for a time anyway. The Referendum Campaign for Scottish Independence had been defeated. Everybody happy . Yes, thank you. Are we running . Yeah. And now David Camerons told the bbc how, after a startling opinion poll suggested most scots wanted independence, the queen hinted openly at her concern. And how he had a hand in her publicly expressing her hope that scots voters would think very carefully about the future. I remember conversations i had with my private secretary and he had with the queens private secretary and i had with the queens private secretary, not asking for anything that would be in any way improper or unconstitutional. Butjust a raising of the eyebrow even, you know, a quarter of an inch would make a difference. Although the words were very limited, it helped to put a slightly different perception of things. Mr cameron hadnt just strained the convention that the queen kept clear of politics, hed discussed what had happened. A palace source relayed what was called an amount of displeasure that a conversation between the pm and the monarch had been made public, saying it made it hard for the relationship to thrive. Today, the former pm plainly regretted his indiscretion. I think i dont want to say anything more about this. Im sure that some people would think, possibly even me, that ive already said perhaps a little bit too much. Too late. Scotlands snp first minister, looking ahead to a future referendum, seized on the disclosure. I think the revelations, if i can call them that, from David Cameron today, say more about him than they do about anybody else. And really demonstrate, i think, the panic that was in the heart of the uk government. The Prime Minister visiting troops on training today kept a careful distance from the controversy. Not only do i not comment on conversations that i may have held with her majesty, but i dont comment on conversations she may have held with anyone else. The palace hasnt denied the queen made a remarkable intervention in the referendum. Todays rebuke to a past Prime Minister was for speaking out, and it served as a warning. Open strain of this kind is rare. More turbulence in politics over the uks future inevitable. John pienaar, bbc news. We can get more on the political reaction from our correspondent nick eardley, whos at westminster. He might regret it, but its a bit late now, nick as soon as he said ita late now, nick as soon as he said it a little earlier this morning, other people in scottish politics and here at westminster who were just shocked at the Prime Minister making public that sort of conversation with the queens team. He tried to roll back from it, as you heard in johns he tried to roll back from it, as you heard injohns piece there, this morning, suggesting he had gone too far. Anything thats political consensus, that David Cameron has made a pretty big mistake in revealing these comments. Boris johnson has said he would never reveal conversations he had with the queen, jeremy corbyn, the labour leader, saying it was improperfor David Cameron to do this. It also, interesting to see the reaction in scotland, which is focused on David Cameron rather than on the queen herself. Alex salmond showed that David Cameron was desperate and prepared to break every rule in the book to try and get a rejection of Scottish Independence in that referendum. The timing, thinking back to when David Cameron asked the queen to get involved, it was an expert in every extraordinary. It was just after he pulled in the times came out suggesting for the first time that the yes side were ahead in the referendum. There was panic throughout whitehall, panic in government, which cameron makes clear spur him on to making this request. Five years on, he has not done much to help the idea it was a faircampaign. Done much to help the idea it was a fair campaign. Nick, thank you very much. Nick eardley. Michael blackley is the Political Editor of the Scottish Daily mail. He joins us now from our glasgow newsroom. Michael, welcome. Tell us what the reaction is been like amongst all editions and the public in scotland. I think people were slightly surprised David Cameron chose to disclose discussions he had with the queen because he has been here before. He has made mistakes on this before, he previously said the morning after the independence referendum that he had spoken to the queen and she purred down the line. He got in a bit of trouble for that, he apologised for it, and here he is making mistakes again. How do you measure how much sway this will have had on that vote in 2014 . measure how much sway this will have had on that vote in 2014 . I think it was an important moment. I remember covering it at the time and there was a lot of talk about whether the queen would ever say anything about an independent referendum, and she normally wants to stay completely neutral, but she did decide to disclose to a few people when she was at balmoral that she did have, wa nted was at balmoral that she did have, wanted the people in scotland to think very carefully about how they voted. How that is perceived, the snp set at the time, she wasnt saying anything. For most people, it was a strong hint that the queen, as head of state, has an obvious concern about the United Kingdom. But no proof whatever she said, however specific or innocuous, was prompted by David Cameron. There was no proof at the time, but David Cameron seems to now want to suggest that he did play a part. He wrote in his book that he was pretty delighted about the comments that she made. So he is admitting that he did want to influence the queen did to encourage the queen to speak out, albeit he insists that he has not do anything wrong. What impact might these disclosures have, do you believe, on the drive for a second referendum on Scottish Independence coachella not convinced that it has 7 . I . Iamnot . I am not convinced it has any impact whatsoever. She is the head of state of the United Kingdom. If she did not have concerns about the break up of the United Kingdom, that would be a surprise. I dont think anything David Cameron has done will have any impact whatsoever on whether there was independence one day, whether there is another independence referendum. However, it was an issue some track to make Political Capital out of the discussion at first ministers questions today, where the Scottish Green Party litre, a party that supports independence, was raising concerns about this attempt to interfere from the head of state of the uk and scotlands future. Nicola sturgeon did not really have anything to say but what the queen did, but she did have a few words on criticism for David Camerons role in the whole issue. Michael blackley, Political Editor of the Scottish Daily mail, think you very much forjoining us. And you can see more on bbc one tonight at 9pm the cameron years. And well find out how this story is covered in tomorrows front pages at 10 40pm and 11 30pm this evening in the papers. Our guestsjoining me tonight are broadcaster henry bonsu and olivia utley, Deputy Editor of the article. Borisjohnson has been accused of being dishonest about his reasons for suspending parliament. And the accusation comes from none other than the former conservative Prime Minister sirjohn major. His lawyer has told the Supreme Court that the only reason mrjohnson wanted a longer than usual suspension was to stop mps interfering in his brexit plans. The government argues it is not a matter for the courts at all. Our home editor mark easton reports. Sirjohn major, borisjohnson two conservative party leaders, two Prime Ministers. But today, the battle over brexit saw them turn blue on blue amid accusations of hypocrisy, dirty tricks and lies. As the Supreme Court began the final day of its hearing into whether mrjohnson unlawfully suspended or prorogued parliament, sirjohn major told the judges in a written note that borisjohnson had ulterior motives, and his stated reasons for ending the parliamentary session could not be true. Sirjohn majors lawyer in court, lord gerniers, accused a downing street staffer of falsely suggesting that, as Prime Minister, his client had suspended parliament with ulterior motives. And it was suggested that he had prorogued for base political reasons. Mudslinging, it was suggested. There was nothing base and political about the decision to ask the queen to shut parliament down early, ahead of the election in 1997. In the cabinet at the time, michael, now lord heseltine, today dismissed the idea as nonsense. There is recent evidence of the downing street press office having been misleading in its announcements. Lord garnier also referred to a text sent to the bbc by a downing street source which said. It later emerged that ministers had discussed asking the queen to suspend the session, although number 10 maintains it wasnt to close down discussion on brexit. We are not concerned with when and how and on what terms the United Kingdom leaves the european union. Stressing their discussions have nothing to do with brexit, the justices today received an answer to their own question to number 10 what would government do if they lost the case . Now, if the Supreme Court says the suspension of parliament was unlawful, downing street are considering three options, depending on the exact reasons. One, they dont need to do anything at all. Two, they bring back parliament, but they bring forward the queens speech. Or three, they immediately go back to the queen again and ask her to suspend parliament again but this time, lawfully. This afternoon, the government lawyer, lord keen, argued it should never get that far anyway because thejudges have no right to rule on the matter. The length of each session of parliament and the frequency between sessions is regulated by constitutional convention, and not by the law. Remain campaigner gina millers lawyer argued the outcome should be the immediate recall of mps. We would expect, in the light of a declaration, that the Prime Minister will ensure that Parliament Resumes as soon as possible next week. We will now consider carefully all the arguments which are being presented to us. But we also know that this case must be resolved as quickly as possible, and we hope to be able to publish our decision early next week. If they follow past practice, the justices will come together in the next few days and each in turn will give their view, starting with the newest member of the Supreme Court and finishing with the president , lady hale. It is, as she said, a serious and difficult question of law. And for the world outside the courtroom, a question with profound implications for the great institutions of state, for our democracy and for citizens of a troubled kingdom. Mark easton, bbc news, the Supreme Court. Aside from a court battle, borisjohnson also has to deal with the eu. Earlier, our Political EditorLaura Kuennsberg sent this update. Aside from the court, which is just on the road from me, the other big focus in government right now is whether we will get a deal with the european union, or whether they have to prepare even more intensely for leaving without one. And there have been an awful lot of diplomatic flounces and fripperies in the last couple of weeks. But if we strip all of that away, just exactly what is going on . Theres a sense on this side of the channel, at least that some of the bricks in that brick wall are at least starting to come loose. The uk has now submitted a whole range of ideas to the european side that they hope could be the basis of a deal, and the eu has now acknowledged thats actually happened, rather than just saying, oh, we havent seen any concrete proposals. The uk must tell us what they want. So there is now a sense that there is some movement, but if this is a journey of 100 miles, theyve maybe travelled a mile or two in recent days. The Prime Minister seems to be not wanting to exaggerate the chances, but there is, though, a mood, at least, that things might be starting to move, at least a little bit. Laura kuennsberg. A man accused of the murder of pc Andrew Harper has had the charge against him dropped. The newlywed Police Officer was killed after being dragged along a road last month. Jed foster, who is 20, had been one of four people accused of involvement in his death. Three others two boys of 17 and an 18 year old have appeared at the old bailey charged with the murder. A bbc investigation into the plight of some of the most vulnerable teenagers has revealed how some are exposed to drugs, weapons and organised crime even being sexually abused by those who are meant to be looking after them. These children are either in care or have recently left, but are still supposed to be supervised in what is known as semi independent living. Our special correspondent ed thomas reports. Just a house where people profit from young, Vulnerable Children. Ive never really had any support. All i had was basically a bed. There were those involved, whoever did what they did. Someone needs to pay a price for the pain. Last night, we revealed serious concerns over the safeguarding of teenagers in unregulated homes. Tonight, we hear the stories of Vulnerable Children exposed to weapons, drugs and organised crime. A lot of drug dealing, people bringing in acid. This teenager lived in a home run by a Company Called centurion care. Knives, samurai swords, everything. I dont know how they get it past all the cameras. Terrified, hed lock himself in his room. How do you know it was acid in the bottle . Because i opened it up and smelled it, and it burnt my nose. What was your reaction when that happened 7 i nearly dropped the whole bottle on the floor. And what did you do . Put it down, went straight into my room and barricaded my door because i didnt feel safe. He says strangers were coming and going from the home. Every ten minutes, the doors going. Like going straight in and out, in and out. Going round the corner, doing their drug deals or whatever and then coming straight back. The house was basically just a drug deal house, but i had to live there because i couldnt go nowhere else. Centurion care told us they worked with police to prevent drug dealing, and all staff had safeguarding training by the local authority. Of the eight young men whose stories weve followed in centurion care, weve learned that four were sent or have returned to prison since leaving the homes. Emmanuelle . Hello there. One family agreed to let us talk to their son inside prison. That was a difficult time there. Fed . You werent eating inside there . Like many unregulated homes, its down to the young person to manage their finances and food. Emmanuelle repeatedly disappeared because he was involved in county lines drug dealing. How did they get you in the home . How did they find you in basildon . Could you have said no . Did you ever ask the staff inside centurion care for help . Emanuelle was jailed for possession with intent to supply heroin and crack cocaine. Centurion care said they felt all children were safe and secure across their placements. We tracked down one centurion care worker who knew many of the children involved. It was completely out of control, absolute manic, wild. Like, some people had drugs in the house. There were some people that ended up having a large amount of cash, and there was nothing you could have really done about it because other Staff Members didnt do anything about it. This Confidential Council briefing weve obtained on centurion care says some workers were known to police for arrests that didnt lead to charges. Centurion care says its not aware of these disclosures on any of the workers enhanced dbs checks, which were available at every local authority inspection, and no concerns were raised. Her vulnerability was quite high. Andy says a girl reported being taken from one of the homes, given alcohol and drugs, before having sex with a man who occasionally worked in the home. Police said there was not enough evidence any crime was committed. The confidential briefing says the man had several convictions and had been previously investigated but not charged for an alleged sex offence involving a child. Centurion care said the contractor didnt need to be dbs checked. His role was known to the local authority, they co operated with the police, and there was no further action. These homes were closed in 2017, and the company dissolved after serious safeguarding concerns were raised. Tonight, across england, theres around 5,000 children in unregulated homes many highly vulnerable, all facing the same risks. I am outraged. Im outraged and upset in equal measure about what ive just seen. Dame louise casey led an investigation into Rotherham Council after hundreds of children were sexually exploited in the town. Its not a loophole, its a scandal. I want those homes regulated. How urgent is that . Tomorrow. The shame is that its taken the bbc the same way it was in rotherham it took the media to lift the lid on it. She fears young people arent being protected in unregulated homes. That house was basically just a drug deal house. You are exposing their voices, which i can only hope means that its listened to in a different way. Its time for whitehall to wake up to this. Its a disgrace. If action isnt taken on the back of this programme, then were colluding in letting groomers, predatory paedophiles go after those children. And thats our responsibility, and thats why i find it so upsetting. Across england and wales, theres been more than a dozen so called organised and complex abuse investigations into failures to protect children in unregulated homes. The stories of those children are unlikely to ever be heard. Ed is with me in the studio. This evening, you found out even more about these homes. We havent. We have been leaked research by the government into unregulated homes. This shows children as young as 11 years old are being placed in homes like these across the country. It is a legal to place a child under the age of 16 a legal to place a child under the age of16 in a legal to place a child under the age of 16 in this type of home the Research Also shows highly Vulnerable Children who should be insecure childrens homes are being placed in these unrelated homes. They should be in secure Children Homes because that is first for their own safety. We also understand that regulation that has been discussed around these homes is being talked about by key figures in this area who discussed this government research, but they called it light touch regulation. Reaction tonight from np and Coffee Coffee mp anne coffey. She says. Ina coffee mp anne coffey. She says. In a statement for that a party for education, they say councils are quite required by the law ash mac councils are required by the law to make sure. Thank you, ed. Ed thomas. Burger king uk will no longer give away plastic toys with childrens meals, amid pressure to reduce plastic waste. The move comes after two children petitioned the fast food giant and its rival mcdonalds. Sarah campbell has the story. Up until today, a kids meal in burger king would come with a plastic toy, but no longer, and its all thanks to a campaign by sisters ella and caitlin. I felt really, really happy about that, and i think its just so important because theres no planet b and theres no second chance. And we need to act now and im glad that burger king are thinking about that. Every burger king will have a large box like this in store, where people can bring their old toys to be dropped off and melted down. Do you think a company like burger king should have been doing this years ago, not as a result of a campaign by two children . I think thats a very fair question. The answer to that would be we were working on it before, but its very fair to say that ella and caitlin had a positive impact and certainly speeded the process up. The girls also targeted mcdonalds, and the company said today customers will be able to swap the happy meal toys for fruit, showing that age is no barrier when it comes to campaigning. Sarah campbell, bbc news. After 32 years, John Humphrys presented his last today programme on radio 4 this morning. His no nonsense interviewing style made him one of the most respected and feared journalists in the country. David sillito looks back at a career that saw him take on the great and the good without fear or favour. Its six oclock on thursday 19th september. The final today forJohn Humphrys. He was, for more than 30 years, the bbcs interrogator in chief. You are sitting here in this studio now talking on the radio. It was gladiatorial on air combat. Im not disputing that. Let me finish the question. John, let me make this point. You, who i admire as a broadcaster. His terrierlike persistence helped define the Political Landscape. Im telling you things have changed, thats all. Its a manifest fact that things have changed. Having left school aged 15, the story that shaped him was the aberfan disaster. He then joined the bbc, here truly in the thick of it in the indo pakistani war of 1971. Theres the big guns falling. And theres a sabre just gone overhead. But the place he truly made his mark was today. Whats happening here . The second this was brought to my attention last night, i immediately. Brought to your attention . Do you not read papers . Do you not look, do you not listen to the output . This interview pretty much ended the career of his boss, the director general, george entwistle. Have you ever regretted going too far with a politician . Oh, yes, yes, yes, many times. Have you ever said sorry afterwards . Yes. Interrupting is fine. Interrupting is inevitable. Unless you want a series of Party Political broadcasts, you have to interrupt. But when you get angry, which i have done once or twice, and i mean only once or twice, that is absolutely unforgivable. He has divided opinion and he himself has noted that senior politicians are increasingly avoiding these encounters. But at the end, what we got was a glimpse of the softer side ofJohn Humphrys. Im more proud than i can say that you have put up with me for so long. Thank you. And thats it from me. Good morning. David sillito, bbc news. I hope he enjoys staying up beyond 9pm at night. Now its time for a look at the weather with chris fawkes. Hello there. Well, its been a stunning day today. Clear blue sunny skies in many cases thanks to our area of high pressure. But overnight, clear skies leading to a chilly one, and well get some mist and fog patches forming through the night as well. Northern ireland, northwest england, southern and Central Scotland prime places for seeing some fog patches form. And its going to be a cold night in the countryside, temperatures probably getting down to about 2 degrees or so. Friday, cloudy start for shetland. Otherwise, a few mist and fog patches slowly clearing. Then some sunshine coming through. And if anything, it should feel warmer, with temperatures widely getting into the 20s. Well see the weather brightening up in shetland as well as we go through the afternoon. Start of the weekend, not looking too bad weather wise. More of that dry and sunny weather for most of us. The onshore winds keeping things perhaps a little bit cooler and fresher for eastern scotland and the coast of north east england. And later in the day, we may well see some showers move into western parts of the uk. But ahead of those showers, itll be warmer. Top temperatures about 24 degrees. Hello this is bbc news with martine croxall. The headlines. A royal source tells the bbc that David Camerons remarks about seeking the queens support in the Scottish Independence vote have caused displeasure at Buckingham Palace. Judges at the Supreme Court will rule early next week on whether borisjohnsons decision to suspend parliament in the run up to brexit was lawful. The death of pc Andrew Harper prosecutors drop a murder charge against a 20 year old man three teenagers appear in court charged with murder. After an Online Campaign burger king uk says it will no longer give away plastic toys with childrens meals and coming up why some of britains coastal beauty spots have seen a rise in the number of accidental deaths. Sport and for a full round up, from the bbc sport centre, heres connie mclaughlin. Arsenal got their Europa League campaign off to a winning start after they beat Eintracht Frankfurt three nil in germany. There were plenty of chances for both sides beforejoe willocks deflected shot gave arsenal the lead in the first half. Frankfurt had a man sent off with ten minutes left and 18 year old bukayo saka smashed in arsenals second. The gunners conceded 24 shots, but got away with it as Pierre Emerick aubameyang made sure of a three nil victory. For celtic it was a tale of two penalties in france against rennes. First Kristoffer Ajer brought down mbaye ni ang who picked himself up to give the french side the lead. Ryan christie had a shout for a penalty that wasnt given but then when James Forrest was fouled, christie made no mistake from the spot. Celtic had vakoun bayo sent off in stoppage time but it finished 1 1. Five british teams are in Europa League action this evening. Manchester united against astana its the first competitive match between an english and kazakh side. Also rangers play feyenoord at ibrox, James Tavenier missed a penalty for the home side. And wolves are goalless at the moment. Former Newcastle United and england striker Peter Beardsley has been suspended from all football related activity for 32 weeks football related activity for making racist comments to players. Beardsley left newcastle after a 14 month Club Investigation earlier this year. An independent Football Association panel said his remarks were obviously racist and wholly unacceptable. Beardrdsley said he was surprised and disappointed by the panels findings. Hes been ordered to complete a face to face education course. The Rugby World Cup is upon us. The tournament injapan starts tomorrow with the host nation getting proceedings underway against russia in tokyo. Its the first time the world cup has been held in asia. Katy gornall is in tokyo for us and has been looking at the preparations. Tokyois tokyo is a sprawling and enchanting city. Its a place where the modern nestles alongside the traditional, and its a new frontier for a sport hoping to make a good impression. Excitement is building, 15,000 people turned up just to watch whales trained in southern japan, and the countrys commissioner for sport believes the tournament could leave a lasting legacy. Translation this is the first time the world cup is come to a country that has no tradition in rugby. For us that has no tradition in rugby. For us injapan we are really excited to have the tournament, and so i am hoping the rugby becomes part of our culture. For that to happen more children need to pick up a rugby ball. These boys here are in the minority, and they hope the world cup will change that. Translation since we japanese dont know much about rugby i hope we get a better understanding. All the best players from all of the world are coming tojapan so i am going to watch them play and try to learn something from them. Four years ago they taught south africa a lesson when they beat the champions in their opening game. Went down of the biggest upset in the history of the tournament and has raised expectation at this world cup. Here in downtown tokyo you get the sense that japan is embracing in downtown tokyo you get the sense thatjapan is embracing this world cup. Posters and adverts for the big stars all around here, but of course we will really help capture the public imagination is excitement on the page, then there are signs this could be the most open world cup yet. New zealand may be favourites but ireland currently top the World Rankings however, their form but ireland currently top the World Rankings however, theirform has dipped this year. England could be peaking at just the dipped this year. England could be peaking atjust the right time. Scotla nd fa ns peaking atjust the right time. Scotland fans will the craving consistency from a team that too often swings from the ridiculous to the sublime and grand slam winners whales were a big threat on the world stage. Probably the tightest competition weve ever been in the tightest world cup. Great for the viewers and for us to be watching. As wood builds excitement when you know its not a foregone conclusion. Unfamiliar territory, but in the neon glow of japan unfamiliar territory, but in the neon glow ofjapan rugby men have found a new home. Robert kubitzsa is going to leave the Williams Formula One Team at the end of the season. He only returned to f1 full time this year 8 years after he was almost killed in a rally crash. Hes secured the teams only point of this season, as they prop up the constructors championship. Thats all the sport for now. Ill have more for you in sportsday at half past ten. Bye for now you can get more on the bbc sport website. Goodbye. Back to one of our main stories now, and Boris Johnson has been accused of being dishonest about his reasons for suspending parliament by former conservative Prime Minister, sirjohn major. His lawyer has told the Supreme Court that the only reason mrjohnson wanted a longer than usual suspension was to stop mps interfering in his brexit plans. 11 judges will decide whether the Prime Ministers suspension of parliament was legal, after a third day at the Supreme Court. Lets have a look at the main arguments put forward to the court today. Lord pannick, who is acting against the government on behalf of businesswoman gina miller, argued that Boris Johnsons suspension of parliament was illegal. This a five week prorogation has prevented parliament from carrying out the scrutiny functions over the executive for a period of exceptional lengths, longer than any in the past 40 years, for no rational reason, and at a time when the constitutional principle of the executive being answerable to parliament is of vital importance. Lord keen, whos representing the government, suggested the court would be meddling in political matters if it ruled against the Prime Minister. How, in the context of that political minefield is the court to apply on the issue of purpose or improper purpose on legitimate political purpose, or illegitimate political purpose, or illegitimate political purpose . Political purpose, or illegitimate political purpose . How political purpose, or illegitimate political purpose . How these concepts to be defined and applied in the ks context . The applicants and the petitioners are inviting the courts into forbidden territory and into what is essentially a minefield, and ill defined minefield. That the courts are not with the greatest of respect, properly equipped to deal with. Im joined now by drjoelle grogan, a senior lecturer at middlesex university, and jeremy brier, a barrister. Thank you both forjoining us after what has been a very long day for you both, court watching. First of all, just go back a bit and establish as simply as you can what the main arguments are here. |j recognise for anyone watching this is an incredibly complicated case and unprecedented areas, and the easiest way of looking at it is gina millers team and join a cherrys tea m millers team and join a cherrys team are asking the Supreme Court to ta ke team are asking the Supreme Court to take a team are asking the Supreme Court to takea a team are asking the Supreme Court to take a a few steps and the great leap. Step one, this is thejustice point, whether the court being the Supreme Court, a court of law can go into a political territory, a political minefield as we just heard from lord keane, whether theres enough matter of law for the Supreme Court to be involved. If they say yes step two. Step two is whether or not there is a legal orjudicial standard against which we can assess this advice, can we look into the past for principles or for cases that can guide us through whether or not this is lawful or unlawful . The principles that everyone reached out to were foundational principles, the idea of parliamentary sovereignty, the idea that, i think this was of neo public point, that the government is subordinate to law and a nswera ble to government is subordinate to law and answerable to parliament, accountable to parliament. The other very important principle is the rule of law. No man, no government, no Prime Minister is above the law. So step two, and finally step three, before the great leap. The great leap. If they say yes, at step three, was this five week study by consequence 01 three, was this five week study by consequence or by motive such a violation of these fundamental principles as to be unlawful . Now, the great leap after that point is if you find that advice unlawful, what next . What order or declaration 01 what next . What order or declaration orjudgement . We will talk about how they get to thatjudgement in a minute and with the possible remedies are debating what they decide. Jeremy, how has this panned out, what surprised you if anything, hasnt anything unexpected . M out, what surprised you if anything, hasnt anything unexpected . It has been because you saw this in the Divisional Court in england not that long ago, but of course they found it was all non justice. This was all matters of politics not law. I came into this thinking thats probably what the Supreme Court would do, they would take a quite traditional approach and say is a clear divide between what happens in a court of law and what happens in downing street or the house of commons. I have watched it every day and as ive seen more and more the justices become a more interested here in their role in protecting parliamentary sovereignty, and i think the government mightjust be ina think the government mightjust be in a little bit more trouble than i thought they were at first. Losing a lot of questions about, has the effect of this actually been to undermine the role of parliament and their sovereignty . If it has been and who better than the courts to step ina and who better than the courts to step in a project that principle. Thats what a lot of the final discussions were on that think they could be a critical change from the discussions that we were having in the english case. How will the justices come to their decision . How many of them have to find one way or the other for it to hold . Thats an interesting point. Theres11 justice they dont have to be unanimous. It could be a 6 5 split and we could get any number of judgements. Some of them mayjust agree with each other and not write the reasons out they could get 11 sets of reasoning. What i think they might do in a case of this importance is deliver a short summary importance is deliver a short summary of what they think the verdict should be just for popular consumption in the media, maybe tomorrow or monday with those justifications later on. The Prime Minister needs to know where he stands even if this is found unlawful and hes been saying clearly we are being told on what basis and i think Everyone Wants to beat the court as clear as possible. Which might mean a date of when parliament has to sit again . What might the remedies be if with the Prime Minister chose to do is found to be unlawful . This is the great leap. Both sides have given very different opinions as to what that remedy should be. Should it be found unlawful. Government lawyers have presented something we found this morning which was declarations, you should declare it unlawful and then depending on how the court has rescinded to be unlawful the government will take direction from it. If they say that the time was the unlawful issue, that five weeks was the issue that caused the unlawfulness then the Prime Minister will take that as a sufficient direction to call back, but the important thing in this is also that the government lawyers are advising not to issue a mandatory order, not toissue not to issue a mandatory order, not to issue an order telling them to do something, instead for the court to give direction as to unlawfulness and also leave it to the executive government to fix it. What is to stop the Prime Minister and suspending parliament and how would he do that and demonstrate he had done it this time in a lawful way . Is one of the possibilities thats been canvassed and just how could he come back and do it in a lawful way . What would that mean . I suppose it would have to be for a proper purpose or proper effect on this occasion. And maybe one of the things the Prime Minister and executive could have done to make all of this so much easier is to justify themselves in a witness statement with a signed statement of truth that would be very difficult for the court to go behind. The absence of that sort of thing in this case has managed theres been a lot of guesswork about what has been going on behind closed doors in downing street, and everyone including lord keene today scratching their head and saying it would have been so much easier if someone would have been so much easier if someone had just come forward and told us with a statement of truth, which we put on the bottom of a witness statement, what was your true motive here . How perilous is this involvement of the Supreme Court in the conventions of parliament . What president might set for the future . Very important point, its all unprecedented. Brexit is almost exposing these questions to the courts that naturally there would not get involved with. It is never really been an issue before, thats an ordinary power. What is so important about thisjudgement ordinary power. What is so important about this judgement is its ordinary power. What is so important about thisjudgement is its not just for today it is making a statement about the limit of powers. Such an interesting sign of the political times we live in of the course of being asked these questions on a regular basis, your students are going to have fun answering questions about these cases for years to come, because we really are seeing our Supreme Courts almost becoming a court to making political decisions. Constitutional draws. A bit like the supreme constitutional draws. A bit like the Supreme Court in the united states. We seem to be studied nudging that way. I immediatelyjump into defend the law from the incursions of politics but the great strengths of the system that we have here is the independent. We dont look atjudges and say you are from that Party Without party, your approach this way. The independence of the is something that we, its the strength and power of the court. Its the fa ct and power of the court. Its the fact that what we bring this case to the courts we know that they will try very hard not to be stepping in and making those political decisions. The more politicalthat we make our courts, will the public start to become more interested in the backgrounds of ourjudges . We willjust the backgrounds of ourjudges . We will just have to the backgrounds of ourjudges . We willjust have to wait and see i suppose. Thank you both, i hope we will see you again on the get that all important decision from those 11 judges. Got a lot of thinking to do. Thank you very much. The headlines on bbc news. A royal source suggests David Camerons remarks about seeking the queens support in the Scottish Independence vote has caused displeasure at Buckingham Palace. Judges at the Supreme Court will rule early next week on whether borisjohnsons decision to suspend parliament in the run up to brexit was lawful. The death of pc Andrew Harper prosecutors drop a murder charge against 20 year old jed foster three teenagers appear at the old bailey on murder charges. The canadian Prime MinisterJustin Trudeau has apologised after a photograph was published by Time Magazine showing him wearing brownface thats skin darkening make up at an Arabian Nights Party 18 years ago. And notjust one photo, two others of him in blackface have now come to light, in the last 12 hours. He himself admits that it such behaviour was racist. His party the liberals are neck and neck in the polls with the conservatives, a month out from elections, and this is immensely damaging. Our correspondent nick bryant is in ottowa and sent this report. When he first emerged as the canadian Prime Minister, he became a golden boy of international politics. Youthful, telegenic, a leader that seem to embody the values of modern day progressivism and political correctness. So this photo has shocked supporters and opponents alike. It shows and wearing black face makeup at a private school gala and chosen one. And arabian nights Costume Party where as a 29 year old teacher he was dressed as a character from aladdin. I want to begin by saying a few words directly to racialized canadians who face discrimination every single day. Even in a country like canada. What i did her to them. Urge people who should not have to face intolerance and discrimination and this is something that i deeply regret. Darkening yourface regardless of the context or the circumstances is always unacceptable because of the racist history of blackface. I should have understood that then, and i never should have done it. Today a video has emerged from the early 1990s showing a young Justin Trudeau covered in dark makeup and making faces. The emergence of the blackface photo comes in the midst of an Election Campaign where mr trudeau had artie been suffering from a Corruption Scandal that hit him and his governing liberal party. His opponents are piling in. Governing liberal party. His opponents are piling inlj governing liberal party. His opponents are piling in. I believe that canadians might have been able to accept his apology if he had been truthful and open and had not base that on a lie. Once again we see withJustin Trudeau one set of rules for himself the one set of rules for the rest of us. Anytime we hear examples of blackface or brownface its making a mockery of some of what their lived experiences are. I think he needs to answer for it and needs to answer the question of why he did that. He always sought to portray canada as one of the world prospect was successfully multicultural countries. Here he greeted Syrian Refugees at the airport as they were granted asylum. The blackface photographs now recognised as a racist caricature, damages and contradicts his political brand. Justin trudeau has positioned himself as a liberal counterpoint to donald trump south of the border. So this is embarrassing both here and internationally. The question is will it imperil his reelection . Theres been a big increase in the number of accidental deaths in coastal waters around britain this year. Figures from the maritime and Coastguards Agency show that in the 12 months up to september, 28 people have died in the south west compared with 11 in the previous year. Lucie fisher has been finding out why. On the run, a mans been spotted 200m out and battling big swells. Hed been caught out by strong currents in gwithian near hayle. This, just one of thousands of rescues performed by the rnli around our coasts this year. What happened . My son and a friend of his went in over here, but they got ripped straight out across the bay. I was a bit worried about them, so i went out after them. Theyve come back in now, have they . Yeah, theyve gone between the flags, where they should be. Many rescues involve families and children, but theres one group most at risk by far. Data shows men are the victims of the majority of coastal deaths last year, particularly young and middle aged men. I think a lot of the time its because their abilities are better than they are and i think humans just do that in general. So, they will say, no, im a good swimmer, i will swim where i want. They might be a good swimmer in the pool, but they dont actually know how the sea is. Such a raw, natural kind of environment. Psychologist dr Isabel Richter has studied how people behave when they are by the sea. She says there is evidence we all behave differently when we are on holiday. There is a lot of research about tourist versus home behaviour and it proves that people on holidays perform more risky behaviour than at home. You think, no, it is my holiday, i deserve to have fun. I was waiting for this the whole year and now i want to go out and, yeah, enjoy myself. And as the latest statistics from the maritime and Coastguard Agency show, the consequences of making the wrong call on risk or ignoring safety advice can be fatal. 28 people died this year around the south west coasts more than double the number last year. While we were filming, the jet ski was sent to help look for a man who had been reported in the water just around the headland off an un lifeguarded beach. Tragically, in that case, a body was picked up by the lifeboat. A sobering reminder of the dangers of the sea. Lucy fisher, gwithian. A new wave of rebellious voices are taking the stage in london tonight to vie for the coveted mercury prize. This years shortlist has been described as the most political ever, with the nominees commenting on the modern british Political Landscape through their music from austerity to climate change. Our entertainment correspondent Colin Paterson has been on the red carpet this evening, meeting the nominees. We are on the red carpet at the mercury prize, the 12 acts were nominated at the walking on it including nao. For saturn. For people that have not heard your album describe it for the news channel. My album saturn is full of every emotion. The happiest, this saddest, its relating and hopeful. Ijust saddest, its relating and hopeful. I just feel like it goes through every Human Emotion that can be. And a saturn because of the planet returning . Exactly. The Science Behind it is that saturn takes 27 to 30 years to fully orbit once around, andi 30 years to fully orbit once around, and i guess any spiritual world we have to be having a spiritual battle but it symbolises lessons and growth, thats what saturn does. So the idea is that every 30 years, around 30 and 60, big life changes happen. Maybe you have to leave that job you have been stuck in, a relationship, a divorce. 60 you are retiring, usually times have changed basically. A big life change. If only there was an award perhaps to win. How do you rate your chances tonight, youre up against big acts . Ive never won anything in my life. Nothing . Nothing at school . Was there not a singing contest you could have one at school . I literally did so many when i was little and everyone. What were doing wrong . Choice of material . |j little and everyone. What were doing wrong . Choice of material . I did not bring enough people into a chairfor me, ithink bring enough people into a chairfor me, i think thats what it was, basically a popularity contest. Ive got my mum and my brother with me. If you win how loudly will they cheer . Theyre very conservative people so they just a cheer . Theyre very conservative people so theyjust a woo. Life coverage is on bbc for, find out if naos mum gives a little woo. Just a little one. Now its time for a look at the weather with chris fawkes. Hello again. For many of us its been a glorious day with, in many cases, clear blue, sunny skies thanks to an area of high pressure. It seems like this is pretty commonplace and what a glorious picture that is from conway in north wales. But it wasnt sunny everywhere. Northern scotland had thicker cloud that loitered in the Northern Isles but it did tend to clear away from mainland. We did have times of the day in scotland where there was a grey picture, even drizzle a round earlier in argyll and bute. Overnight tonight, we could see a little bit of drizzle at times in shetland, but otherwise it is a dry night with clear skies initially. Mist and fog patches are likely to develop in northern ireland, north west england, southern and central areas of scotland. So it could be quite a murky start for some. Its also going to quite chilly, temperature seven to 10 degrees in the towns and cities. In the countryside, temperatures will be lower, perhaps down to around 2 degrees or so. A cold start for some of us on friday morning, the mist and fog taking a while to clear away and then the sunshine coming out. Cloudy start in shetland, but eventually we will see the sunnier skies working into shetland as we head through the afternoon. It will be a warmer day tomorrow with temperatures reaching into the low 20s, 21, 22 degrees or so, fairly typical temperatures. First part of the weekend, things looking good weather wise. South easterly winds bringing warmer airfrom france, so if anything temperatures will be that little bit higher. Any Early Morning mist patches will lift quickly this time with more of a breeze around. The onshore winds keeping things cooler around the coastline of north east england, eastern scotland. Later in the day we may see signs of a change with showers breaking out across western areas. But ahead of that it is a warmer kind of day temperatures up to 24 degrees in cardiff and 24 in london. The second half of the weekend sees a cold front move its way into the country but there is a lot of uncertainty about exactly where this area of rain is going to be. The areas most likely to see rain, wales and south west england. The best chance of staying dry towards the north east of the uk. Some uncertainty with the details about where this band of rain will end up. What isnt uncertain though is we will see a change to cooler and fresher conditions for northern ireland, wales and south west england. Thats your weather. Hello, im ros atkins. This is outside source. Canadas Prime MinisterJustin Trudeau is under more pressure after a video of him wearing blackface makeup emerges. Darkening yourface, regardless of the context or the circumstances, is always unacceptable because of the racist history of blackface. Hed already apologised after photographs of him in blackface as a student and later as a teacher were made public. The uk says its shared documents with the eu about a possible brexit deal but they arent formal proposals. Well explain the difference and why it matters